A team you never want to face in the playoffs (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

As a football fan, I have always like Bill Cower. Say what you will about him, but he is the closest thing to Don Shula that there is in the league. His teams are always ready to play, and he can beat you a lot of ways. He is not afraid to go against his teams' nature at times to beat you.Back when the whole Kordell thing was coming to a boil and some spoke of him being let go from Pittsburgh, I wanted him to coach the fins. Lucky for the Steelers that they finally wised up and never let cower get away.Shula's record will only be threatened by one or two guys, Cower in my mind is the #1.(John Fox is second here)

 

[DoctorDetroit]

As a football fan, I have always like Bill Cower.  Say what you will about him, but he is the closest thing to Don Shula that there is in the league.  His teams are always ready to play, and he can beat you a lot of ways.  He is not afraid to go against his teams' nature at times to beat you.

Back when the whole Kordell thing was coming to a boil and some spoke of him being let go from Pittsburgh, I wanted him to coach the fins.  Lucky for the Steelers that they finally wised up and never let cower get away.

Shula's record will only be threatened by one or two guys, Cower in my mind is the #1.



(John Fox is second here)

How many years has John Fox been an NFL HC? He's already chasing Shula? Damn that is a pretty lofty goal for a guy who is 50 in his fourth year, making just his second playoff appearance.Edit: I agree with Cowher. I was listening to Pittsburgh sportstalk radio two years ago and I couldn't believe how many fans were calling for his head. The broadcasters were rough on him to for that 6-10 (I believe) campaign. Cowher is as good a coach in the game and the Steelers are lucky to have him.

 

[3C's]

This got me interested as to where Cowher is all time. He's 14th overall in regular season wins. There are 2 active coaches ahead of him (Parcells and Shottenheimer). At his current pace, he should catch Chuck Knoll for all time Steelers wins as a head coach in 5 years. He could move into the top 5 all time in 6 years, depending on how long Parcells and Shotty coach. He'll need about 19 more years at his current win percentage to catch Shula. That'll be tough to do.

 

[P Boy]

Why wouldn't you want to face him? In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

 

[BGP]

Why wouldn't you want to face him? In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

I agree. Cowher is one of the current coaches I would most want to face in the playoffs.

 

[Reaper]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

I agree. Cowher is one of the current coaches I would most want to face in the playoffs.

His team didn't look so ready last year - Probably should have lost the 1st home game then lost.

 

[jurb26]

Why wouldn't you want to face him? In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Why exactly did you feel the need to take out this years playoff games? Cowher is 10-9 in the playoffs, 1-4 in the AFCC game.

 

[P Boy]

Why exactly did you feel the need to take out this years playoff games? Cowher is 10-9 in the playoffs, 1-4 in the AFCC game.

Because they aren't over yet?

 

[Steelers4Life]

Why wouldn't you want to face him? In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

 

[Kosar]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

 

[Steelers4Life]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

Not entirely, no. To some degree, definitely. I think there are a lot of talent discrepancies that can be overcome. I think QB is the toughest one to hide and the one that can prove most costly in a big game. A few factors went into them losing each game, and QB was definitely one of them. Especially in 1997 and 2004. In 1994, he lost a game he should've won.

In 1997, the Steelers lost by only 3 to Elway and the Broncos when Kordell threw 3 INTs (2 in the red zone) and fumbled once. You can be the judge as to whether his 4 TO's might have had an impact on the game.

In 2001, the Steelers were beaten almost exclusively because of 2 special teams TDs given up. One was a blocked field goal, and one was a punt that Cowher ordered to be kicked out of bounds... Josh Miller screwed it up, and Troy Brown scored.

In 2004, they just weren't as good as the Pats and Roethlisberger was completely worn out. They were home underdogs.

 

[jonessed]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

Not entirely, no. To some degree, definitely. I think there are a lot of talent discrepancies that can be overcome. I think QB is the toughest one to hide and the one that can prove most costly in a big game. A few factors went into them losing each game, and QB was definitely one of them. Especially in 1997 and 2004. In 1994, he lost a game he should've won.

In 1997, the Steelers lost by only 3 to Elway and the Broncos when Kordell threw 3 INTs (2 in the red zone) and fumbled once. You can be the judge as to whether his 4 TO's might have had an impact on the game.

In 2001, the Steelers were beaten almost exclusively because of 2 special teams TDs given up. One was a blocked field goal, and one was a punt that Cowher ordered to be kicked out of bounds... Josh Miller screwed it up, and Troy Brown scored.

In 2004, they just weren't as good as the Pats and Roethlisberger was completely worn out. They were home underdogs.

It's a team game. You win as a team and you lose as a team. Kordell was a mediocre QB, but that just means you have more money to spend elsewhere. Hell, Dilfer won a SB and that guy isn't even middle of the road (although he has a lot of heart ). Cowher has a bad track record in the playoffs. Personally, I think he's predictable late in the game, but YMMV. I don't think, as a coach, he is on anyones most feared list, but Pitt looks pretty good this year so maybe he will get his shot irregardless.

 

[Irish]

Why wouldn't you want to face him? In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

I agree. Cowher is one of the current coaches I would most want to face in the playoffs.

The last time your beloved Brownies made the playoffs, a Cowher led team sent them home.

 

[thesurfshop19]

The last time your beloved Brownies made the playoffs, a Cowher led team sent them home.

The last 2 times, no?

 

[Odogs]

The last time your beloved Brownies made the playoffs, a Cowher led team sent them home.

The last 2 times, no?

I think you're right, I believe that was 1994. If memory serves me correctly that was the third time they beat them that year.

 

[jonnyincali]

The last time your beloved Brownies made the playoffs, a Cowher led team sent them home.

The last 2 times, no?

I think you're right, I believe that was 1994. If memory serves me correctly that was the third time they beat them that year.

How about the 2002-03 season?Recap

 

[thesurfshop19]

The last time your beloved Brownies made the playoffs, a Cowher led team sent them home.

The last 2 times, no?

I think you're right, I believe that was 1994. If memory serves me correctly that was the third time they beat them that year.

How about the 2002-03 season?Recap

Yeah, that would be the other time, the one Irish was referencing.

 

[CrossEyed]

14 years in Pittsburgh and the guy is going to his 6th AFC Championship game. I'm guessing that there are about 28 other teams that would love to have had a coach with that track record over the same timeframe. Cowher is a great coach and I'm glad the Rooneys don't listen to the fickle fan base in Pittsburgh every time the Steelers fall short of their expectations. Which, by the way, is a Super Bowl win every year.

 

[RTB1]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

Not entirely, no. To some degree, definitely. I think there are a lot of talent discrepancies that can be overcome. I think QB is the toughest one to hide and the one that can prove most costly in a big game. A few factors went into them losing each game, and QB was definitely one of them. Especially in 1997 and 2004. In 1994, he lost a game he should've won.

In 1997, the Steelers lost by only 3 to Elway and the Broncos when Kordell threw 3 INTs (2 in the red zone) and fumbled once. You can be the judge as to whether his 4 TO's might have had an impact on the game.

In 2001, the Steelers were beaten almost exclusively because of 2 special teams TDs given up. One was a blocked field goal, and one was a punt that Cowher ordered to be kicked out of bounds... Josh Miller screwed it up, and Troy Brown scored.

In 2004, they just weren't as good as the Pats and Roethlisberger was completely worn out. They were home underdogs.

So, what I think you're saying is that if Palmer hadn't gotten hurt, Cincinnati would have beaten Pittsburgh? Seriously though, the QB's or other players that "lost" those games for Cowher are the same players that got him to the playoffs in the first place, and the same players over which he has the responsibility to coach in such a way that they don't make those type of mistakes. If they fold in the big game, Cowher and his staff have somehow failed to prepare them properly.

I can agree that Cowher is good coach with an outstanding track record. But, to follow your logic to the extreme, if it weren't for all the bonehead plays and lazy efforts of the players, Dave Shula, Bruce Coslet, and **** Lebeau could be considered great head coaches also. It was the players who screwed it all up.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

You also don't want to face the Pirates in baseball, or NOT go to Studio54.WTF is it the 70s on this thread?

 

[Steelers4Life]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

Not entirely, no. To some degree, definitely. I think there are a lot of talent discrepancies that can be overcome. I think QB is the toughest one to hide and the one that can prove most costly in a big game. A few factors went into them losing each game, and QB was definitely one of them. Especially in 1997 and 2004. In 1994, he lost a game he should've won.

In 1997, the Steelers lost by only 3 to Elway and the Broncos when Kordell threw 3 INTs (2 in the red zone) and fumbled once. You can be the judge as to whether his 4 TO's might have had an impact on the game.

In 2001, the Steelers were beaten almost exclusively because of 2 special teams TDs given up. One was a blocked field goal, and one was a punt that Cowher ordered to be kicked out of bounds... Josh Miller screwed it up, and Troy Brown scored.

In 2004, they just weren't as good as the Pats and Roethlisberger was completely worn out. They were home underdogs.

So, what I think you're saying is that if Palmer hadn't gotten hurt, Cincinnati would have beaten Pittsburgh? Seriously though, the QB's or other players that "lost" those games for Cowher are the same players that got him to the playoffs in the first place, and the same players over which he has the responsibility to coach in such a way that they don't make those type of mistakes. If they fold in the big game, Cowher and his staff have somehow failed to prepare them properly.

I can agree that Cowher is good coach with an outstanding track record. But, to follow your logic to the extreme, if it weren't for all the bonehead plays and lazy efforts of the players, Dave Shula, Bruce Coslet, and **** Lebeau could be considered great head coaches also. It was the players who screwed it all up.

LOL, nope, because Roethlisberger and Palmer have comparable talent! It would've been a much closer game, and I don't deny that the Bengals would've had a chance to win with him.As for the other stuff, I agree that those are the players that got him to the playoffs in the first place. They had their limitations, however, which were exploited by the teams they played as they advanced.

I've said for a long, long time that the players deserve the criticism for not showing up or making mistakes, and Cowher takes way too much blame for most of what went wrong. I don't see much that he could've done to get any more from the players he had. He couldn't prevent Kordell from making mistakes in 1997, and he couldn't punt the ball out of bounds for Josh Miller in 2001. If anything, some of his teams have overachieved just to get where they did, and that's a reflection on Cowher.

 

[RTB1]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

Not entirely, no. To some degree, definitely. I think there are a lot of talent discrepancies that can be overcome. I think QB is the toughest one to hide and the one that can prove most costly in a big game. A few factors went into them losing each game, and QB was definitely one of them. Especially in 1997 and 2004. In 1994, he lost a game he should've won.

In 1997, the Steelers lost by only 3 to Elway and the Broncos when Kordell threw 3 INTs (2 in the red zone) and fumbled once. You can be the judge as to whether his 4 TO's might have had an impact on the game.

In 2001, the Steelers were beaten almost exclusively because of 2 special teams TDs given up. One was a blocked field goal, and one was a punt that Cowher ordered to be kicked out of bounds... Josh Miller screwed it up, and Troy Brown scored.

In 2004, they just weren't as good as the Pats and Roethlisberger was completely worn out. They were home underdogs.

So, what I think you're saying is that if Palmer hadn't gotten hurt, Cincinnati would have beaten Pittsburgh? Seriously though, the QB's or other players that "lost" those games for Cowher are the same players that got him to the playoffs in the first place, and the same players over which he has the responsibility to coach in such a way that they don't make those type of mistakes. If they fold in the big game, Cowher and his staff have somehow failed to prepare them properly.

I can agree that Cowher is good coach with an outstanding track record. But, to follow your logic to the extreme, if it weren't for all the bonehead plays and lazy efforts of the players, Dave Shula, Bruce Coslet, and **** Lebeau could be considered great head coaches also. It was the players who screwed it all up.

LOL, nope, because Roethlisberger and Palmer have comparable talent! It would've been a much closer game, and I don't deny that the Bengals would've had a chance to win with him.As for the other stuff, I agree that those are the players that got him to the playoffs in the first place. They had their limitations, however, which were exploited by the teams they played as they advanced.

I've said for a long, long time that the players deserve the criticism for not showing up or making mistakes, and Cowher takes way too much blame for most of what went wrong. I don't see much that he could've done to get any more from the players he had. He couldn't prevent Kordell from making mistakes in 1997, and he couldn't punt the ball out of bounds for Josh Miller in 2001. If anything, some of his teams have overachieved just to get where they did, and that's a reflection on Cowher.

Do you feel the same way about Schottenheimer? It seems that every time he "lost the big one", it was some type of fluky, dramatic play that meets the same criteria you're using to defend Cowher.

 

[pghrob]

No excuses can be made for past Steeler playoff failures. In this team game that is NFL football, you win as a team and lose as a team. Period. No excuses other than how you play for 60 minutes.The 2000 Ravens won the Super Bowl with a mediocre QB in Dilfer.Cowher preaches play our best football in all three phases (offense, defense, and special teams) for 60 mintues and winning will take care of itself.Cowher would be the last person to use poor talent at the skill positions as an excuse for past failures. We played poorly is the only excuse.I agree he is great. I agree that we should be thankful the Rooney's knew that stability in the HC position is important. And I agree that this year, the way this team is playing, at this point, on this quest, is a reason why the Steelers are a team that you never want to face in these playoffs.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Why wouldn't you want to face him?  In the 13 seasons before this year, he's 8-9 in the playoffs, including 1-4 in AFC championship games.

I would think he's almost exactly who you WOULD want to face in the AFC championship (almost as good as facing Marv Levy or Bud Grant or Dan Reeves in the Super Bowl).

Sure, if your team is QBed by someone like Elway or Brady and Cowher is going to throw Stewart or a worn-out rookie out there. This is the first time in ANY of his AFCC appearances that his team will be led by a QB nearly as talented as Roethlisberger. It's also the first time since 1994, when Cowher was a very young head coach in his first AFCC, that the disparity between starting QBs is anything less than enormous.

So you are blaming Cowher's sub-par Title game record solely on his QB's? That's weak and "homerish".

Not entirely, no. To some degree, definitely. I think there are a lot of talent discrepancies that can be overcome. I think QB is the toughest one to hide and the one that can prove most costly in a big game. A few factors went into them losing each game, and QB was definitely one of them. Especially in 1997 and 2004. In 1994, he lost a game he should've won.

In 1997, the Steelers lost by only 3 to Elway and the Broncos when Kordell threw 3 INTs (2 in the red zone) and fumbled once. You can be the judge as to whether his 4 TO's might have had an impact on the game.

In 2001, the Steelers were beaten almost exclusively because of 2 special teams TDs given up. One was a blocked field goal, and one was a punt that Cowher ordered to be kicked out of bounds... Josh Miller screwed it up, and Troy Brown scored.

In 2004, they just weren't as good as the Pats and Roethlisberger was completely worn out. They were home underdogs.

So, what I think you're saying is that if Palmer hadn't gotten hurt, Cincinnati would have beaten Pittsburgh? Seriously though, the QB's or other players that "lost" those games for Cowher are the same players that got him to the playoffs in the first place, and the same players over which he has the responsibility to coach in such a way that they don't make those type of mistakes. If they fold in the big game, Cowher and his staff have somehow failed to prepare them properly.

I can agree that Cowher is good coach with an outstanding track record. But, to follow your logic to the extreme, if it weren't for all the bonehead plays and lazy efforts of the players, Dave Shula, Bruce Coslet, and **** Lebeau could be considered great head coaches also. It was the players who screwed it all up.

LOL, nope, because Roethlisberger and Palmer have comparable talent! It would've been a much closer game, and I don't deny that the Bengals would've had a chance to win with him.As for the other stuff, I agree that those are the players that got him to the playoffs in the first place. They had their limitations, however, which were exploited by the teams they played as they advanced.

I've said for a long, long time that the players deserve the criticism for not showing up or making mistakes, and Cowher takes way too much blame for most of what went wrong. I don't see much that he could've done to get any more from the players he had. He couldn't prevent Kordell from making mistakes in 1997, and he couldn't punt the ball out of bounds for Josh Miller in 2001. If anything, some of his teams have overachieved just to get where they did, and that's a reflection on Cowher.

Do you feel the same way about Schottenheimer? It seems that every time he "lost the big one", it was some type of fluky, dramatic play that meets the same criteria you're using to defend Cowher.

Schottenheimer isn't in Cowher's league.Schottenheimer has a career postseason record of 5-12. I laugh when people compare him to Cowher, who now is 10-9 with 6 AFC Championship appearances in only 14 years of coaching.

 

[greenroom]

If its the Pre Season or Regular Season I agree Cowher is the MAN.But come to Playoffs and Cowher is not as good for some reason. Some have wondered if his play calling is to predictable, he gets out coached, the pressure is to much for his team?So Cowher can keep geting good records in the Regular season but when it comes to the playoffs he is like Payton Manning and just cannot win the BIG GAME.

 

[Godsbrother]

If its the Pre Season or Regular Season I agree Cowher is the MAN.

But come to Playoffs and Cowher is not as good for some reason. Some have wondered if his play calling is to predictable, he gets out coached, the pressure is to much for his team?

So Cowher can keep geting good records in the Regular season but when it comes to the playoffs he is like Payton Manning and just cannot win the BIG GAME.

I would argue that ANY playoff game is a BIG GAME. Cowher is 10-9 in the playoffs. The only BIG GAME Cowher has yet to win is the Super Bowl and had it not been for two ridiculous interceptions thrown by Neil O'Donnell to Larry Brown with no receiver in the same zip code, he likely would have his ring already.Hopefully that will be rectified in the near future.

 

[belljr]

Cowher's 1 weakness, is they get way too conservative when they get up late in the game.In 2001 Bledsoe comes in off the bench to throw the last TD. And even in the colts game, they were rushing only 3 until the game got close again. I love the power running game but sometimes it's okay to throw a pass, a screen or something, I think when Indy was putting 9 in the box a nice little play action or even a silly Bettis HB pass would have caught the Colts off guard and finished the game.I dunno I just feel like he let's teams hang around too much.That being said I love that he's "our" coach

 

[Godsbrother]

Cowher's 1 weakness, is they get way too conservative when they get up late in the game.

In 2001 Bledsoe comes in off the bench to throw the last TD. And even in the colts game, they were rushing only 3 until the game got close again. I love the power running game but sometimes it's okay to throw a pass, a screen or something, I think when Indy was putting 9 in the box a nice little play action or even a silly Bettis HB pass would have caught the Colts off guard and finished the game.

I dunno I just feel like he let's teams hang around too much.

That being said I love that he's "our" coach

Yet this is one of Cowher's reasons for success. Cowher's record when he leads by 10+ at any point in a game is something like 105-1-1, the lone loss coming in a meaningless game against Cincinnati a few years ago. Hard to argue with a record like that.The problem for Cowher's teams is when they got behind. Except for a miracle or two by Tommy Maddox in 2002 they just never had a QB that could lead them back after falling behind.

 

[SaosiN]

Cowher is a great coach and a better spitter. I think the 6 AFC Champsionships in 14 years speaks for itself. Yea, no championships which sux but he is always there. That's almost an AFC championship appearance every other year which is excellent. I think he will get over the hump sooner or later, hopefully this year so we don't have to have this debate anymore.

 

[Lombardi's Orphan Son]

another point which sets Cower apart is that he has won playoff games and gone to AFC championships over a long time with many different players, which is different from having a franchise QB like Donovan McNabb who shoulders the team and gets you there several times over a short period. Cower has done it with Odonnell, kordell, ben, ect.-orphan