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Abraham agreement? With both Seattle+Atlanta? (1 Viewer)

DoctorDetroit

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Atlanta and Seattle? Looks like it.

Adam Schefter reports on NFL.com that the Seahawks and Jets have agreed on a deal where we send our 1st round pick (31st overall) to New York for John Abraham. The only thing holding the deal up is the agreement of a long-term contract for Abraham.
Falcons | Team reaches agreement with Abraham; still need to work out a trade Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:56:29 -0800 ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Atlanta Falcons have reached a contract agreement with New York Jets franchise free agent DE John Abraham on a multi-year deal, a high-ranking team official and several league sources confirmed. The next step: Reaching a trade agreement with the Jets on appropriate compensation for the standout defensive player. "We're very comfortable with where we are at (with Abraham), and we think he is comfortable, too," one Falcons official said. "We've got a (contract) deal in place with him. Now we've got to deal with (the Jets)." The addition of QB Patrick Ramsey by the Jets may have been a sign that the Jets are now convinced they won't be able to pry QB Matt Schaub away from the Falcons in an Abraham deal.
I guess whoever comes up with teh best trade offer gets him.
 
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Free agency off to quick start

By Adam Schefter

NFL Analyst

Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

Free agency has opened with a flurry. Already, numerous teams are on the board. Take a glance at the deals, and the potential soon-to-be deals.

This list will be constantly updated throughout the day each day, so refresh this page often!

March 17

On a whirlwind Friday, the New York Jets completed one trade, and maybe two, that have reshaped their roster.

First, the Jets sent their sixth-round pick to the Washington Redskins for quarterback Patrick Ramsey, a former first-round pick. The Jets have been seeking a quarterback of Ramsey's quality in recent weeks and at various points were close to completing the deal with the Redskins. Friday the deal went through. Then another went through.

Meanwhile, IN A BLOCKBUSTER TRADE THAT IS PURELY SPECULATION BY THE JETS, YET CONFIRMED BY TWO TEAMS INTERESTED IN JOHN ABRAHAM, the Pro Bowl defensive end, whom the Jets finally were able to deal, was sent to Seattle for the Seahawks' first-round draft pick, the 31st overall selection. The deal is contingent upon the Seahawks being able to sign Abraham to a long-term contract extension, something that has been challenging the past couple of seasons.

And right now, Abraham has the framework for a deal in place with the Atlanta Falcons, who do not have a deal in place with the New York Jets. So each team has half the deal completed, but one has to get the full deal completed.

Abraham has been seeking well over $15 million in guaranteed money, and one NFL executive said the defensive end was demanding $27 million over the first three years of the contract. Now, if Seattle can sign Abraham, they will give him the contract he wants and the Jets their first-round pick.

And the remaking of the Jets roster was in full swing.

Full article

 
Is this title misleading? I don't see anywhere in these quotes where it says Abraham has agreed to a contract with Seattle. It looks to me like:

Seattle and New York have agreed to a trade but Seattle needs to reach agreement on a contract with Abraham.

Atlanta and Abraham have agreed to a contract, but Atlanta needs to reach an agreement on a trade with New York.

No?

 
Is this title misleading? I don't see anywhere in these quotes where it says Abraham has agreed to a contract with Seattle. It looks to me like:

Seattle and New York have agreed to a trade but Seattle needs to reach agreement on a contract with Abraham.

Atlanta and Abraham have agreed to a contract, but Atlanta needs to reach an agreement on a trade with New York.

No?
:yes:
 
Is this title misleading? I don't see anywhere in these quotes where it says Abraham has agreed to a contract with Seattle. It looks to me like:

Seattle and New York have agreed to a trade but Seattle needs to reach agreement on a contract with Abraham.

Atlanta and Abraham have agreed to a contract, but Atlanta needs to reach an agreement on a trade with New York.

No?
You're right and thanks. I changed it to agreement but this can't be summed up for the lead. Seattle involved in the two most interesting FA transactions at the moment.
 
It looks lie we have two things....

Atlanta has agreed with Abraham, while the Hawks have agreed with the Jets.

The deal will go through to whichever team can complete the second half of the deal.

This would be awesome for the HAwks.

 
Is this title misleading?  I don't see anywhere in these quotes where it says Abraham has agreed to a contract with Seattle.  It looks to me like:

Seattle and New York have agreed to a trade but Seattle needs to reach agreement on a contract with Abraham.

Atlanta and Abraham have agreed to a contract, but Atlanta needs to reach an agreement on a trade with New York.

No?
You're right and thanks. I changed it to agreement but this can't be summed up for the lead. Seattle involved in the two most interesting FA transactions at the moment.
No problem. Not trying to be a smart ###...I just wonder about my own reading comprehension sometimes and wanted to make sure I wasn't dumber than I thought.As for the 'Hawks interest in Abraham...I'm curious what kind of contract they can offer him while their cap situation is in limbo waiting for the Hutchinson situation to be resolved.

 
Abe and Atlanta may have agreed but it looks like Seattle is willing to give up the 1st rder. With the Ramsey acquisition - check mate Atlanta. They did all the footwork and now Seattle will just match the deal. Atlanta better change their tune quick or it is Abe to Seattle. Abe doesn't care who pays him!

Nice job by Tanny - there is a new regime in Jet land!!! Bradaway would have sent him out for a 4th rder!

 
It looks lie we have two things....

Atlanta has agreed with Abraham, while the Hawks have agreed with the Jets.

The deal will go through to whichever team can complete the second half of the deal.

This would be awesome for the HAwks.
This is all we needed. More controversy and confusion. What do neutral parties think about who has the advantage here?Do the Falcons have the advantage given they've come to an agreement with Abraham or do the Seahawks have the upperhand because they have an agreement with the Jets?

I say that because of the Ramsey trade and the Seahawks giving a #1 pick, they have the advantage but I'm a homer.

What do you guys think?

 
It looks lie we have two things....

Atlanta has agreed with Abraham, while the Hawks have agreed with the Jets. 

The deal will go through to whichever team can complete the second half of the deal.

This would be awesome for the HAwks.
This is all we needed. More controversy and confusion. What do neutral parties think about who has the advantage here?Do the Falcons have the advantage given they've come to an agreement with Abraham or do the Seahawks have the upperhand because they have an agreement with the Jets?

I say that because of the Ramsey trade and the Seahawks giving a #1 pick, they have the advantage but I'm a homer.

What do you guys think?
Advantage Seattle. The Seahawks will just agree to a contract similar to the one Abraham got with Atlanta.
 
Is this title misleading?  I don't see anywhere in these quotes where it says Abraham has agreed to a contract with Seattle.  It looks to me like:

Seattle and New York have agreed to a trade but Seattle needs to reach agreement on a contract with Abraham.

Atlanta and Abraham have agreed to a contract, but Atlanta needs to reach an agreement on a trade with New York.

No?
You're right and thanks. I changed it to agreement but this can't be summed up for the lead. Seattle involved in the two most interesting FA transactions at the moment.
No problem. Not trying to be a smart ###...I just wonder about my own reading comprehension sometimes and wanted to make sure I wasn't dumber than I thought.As for the 'Hawks interest in Abraham...I'm curious what kind of contract they can offer him while their cap situation is in limbo waiting for the Hutchinson situation to be resolved.
They have a lot of room. The Hutch deal is now pretty much confirmed at 8.8 as a first year hit. That leaves a lot of room for them to move around. I know you weren't being a smartass but even if you were, you were right. I jump out of my seat when someone posts crap in here because we have some great posters that are smart on football. I want to stay in that category because I love the game and my team.

 
Abe and Atlanta may have agreed but it looks like Seattle is willing to give up the 1st rder. With the Ramsey acquisition - check mate Atlanta.
You could also look at it like the Jets are going to deal Ramsey to Atlanta to have the Falcons package Shaub in the deal.
 
Abe and Atlanta may have agreed but it looks like Seattle is willing to give up the 1st rder. With the Ramsey acquisition - check mate Atlanta.
You could also look at it like the Jets are going to deal Ramsey to Atlanta to have the Falcons package Shaub in the deal.
I read that on Insider and don't buy it.
 
John Clayton on ESPN News Just said Abe is on his way to Seattle or Atlanta ... said both sides think they have a deal ... but it remains to be seen which side actually does have a deal.

Tanny is playing them against each other. One team has a deal with the player but not the team. The other has a deal with the team and not the player.

Great job Tanny! If Atlanta doesn't give the JEts what they want - Seattle will simply hand Abe the dough! So long since the JEts FO had some balls! :thumbup:

 
They have a lot of room. The Hutch deal is now pretty much confirmed at 8.8 as a first year hit. That leaves a lot of room for them to move around.

I know you weren't being a smartass but even if you were, you were right. I jump out of my seat when someone posts crap in here because we have some great posters that are smart on football. I want to stay in that category because I love the game and my team.

Wondering if you have a link for 8.8 for Hutch, I heard (sorry no link) that it is around 13/14 m for the Hawks the first year.

 
They have a lot of room. The Hutch deal is now pretty much confirmed at 8.8 as a first year hit. That leaves a lot of room for them to move around.

I know you weren't being a smartass but even if you were, you were right. I jump out of my seat when someone posts crap in here because we have some great posters that are smart on football. I want to stay in that category because I love the game and my team.

Wondering if you have a link for 8.8 for Hutch, I heard (sorry no link) that it is around 13/14 m for the Hawks the first year.
Link
All indications point to a first-year cap hit of $8.585 million. There have been reports of $13 million but those reports fail to provide the numbers needed to get to that number. The $8.585 million number comes from $10M signing bonus, $6M roster bonus and first-year base of $585,000.
This guy doesn't report anything that isn't confirmed or is more than just speculation. I hate him because he's an ### and a half but he's almost always right on the money. I looked at what is the supposed contract, got out a calculator and came to the same conclusion. I'll look for more now.
 
I tend to think the deal will get done with Seattle.

The Jets would then have the #4, #31 and #35 picks overall.

Jets take Williams at #4 to replace Abe then be able to pick any two of the following projected late first early second OL at #31 and #35.

OG, Taitusi Lutui

OT, Marcus McNeil

C, Nick Mangold

OT Eric Winston

OT Ryan O'Callaghan

 
I tend to think the deal will get done with Seattle.

The Jets would then have the #4, #31 and #35 picks overall.

Jets take Williams at #4 to replace Abe then be able to pick any two of the following projected late first early second OL at #31 and #35.

OG, Taitusi Lutui

OT, Marcus McNeil

C, Nick Mangold

OT Eric Winston

OT Ryan O'Callaghan
Jets fan I take it? Would the Jets take a #2 and Schuab for Abraham and Ramsey? That is what the Falcons are said to have offered. What do you think being local and smart on the Jets?
 
I tend to think the deal will get done with Seattle.

The Jets would then have the #4, #31 and #35 picks overall.

Jets take Williams at #4 to replace Abe then be able to pick any two of the following projected late first early second OL at #31 and #35.

OG, Taitusi Lutui

OT, Marcus McNeil

C, Nick Mangold

OT Eric Winston

OT Ryan O'Callaghan
All these guys are good lineman and come draft day I would not be suprised to see more of them picked in the mid-late first then most mocks are projecting.
 
I tend to think the deal will get done with Seattle.

The Jets would then have the #4, #31 and #35 picks overall.

Jets take Williams at #4 to replace Abe then be able to pick any two of the following projected late first early second OL at #31 and #35.

OG, Taitusi Lutui

OT, Marcus McNeil

C, Nick Mangold

OT Eric Winston

OT Ryan O'Callaghan
Jets fan I take it? Would the Jets take a #2 and Schuab for Abraham and Ramsey? That is what the Falcons are said to have offered. What do you think being local and smart on the Jets?
You have a link to support this? I have not seen one thing that has stated the Falcons are willing to deal Schaub.
 
I tend to think the deal will get done with Seattle.

The Jets would then have the #4, #31 and #35 picks overall.

Jets take Williams at #4 to replace Abe then be able to pick any two of the following projected late first early second OL at #31 and #35.

OG, Taitusi Lutui

OT, Marcus McNeil

C, Nick Mangold

OT Eric Winston

OT Ryan O'Callaghan
Jets fan I take it? Would the Jets take a #2 and Schuab for Abraham and Ramsey? That is what the Falcons are said to have offered. What do you think being local and smart on the Jets?
You have a link to support this? I have not seen one thing that has stated the Falcons are willing to deal Schaub.
This was on KFFL and quoted ESPN.comHere is the current link

The wording was something to the effect that Atlanta "would" offer Schaub and the #2 pick for Abraham and Ramsey but that link and everything at NFL.com has been pulled. I will continue to look for a link that quotes this in the meantime but I didn't think it was true when I read it. Atlanta has said all along that they would not trade Schaub or the #15 pick. I was just asking the Jets fan if he could confirm hearing anything of the sort.

Crazy times.

 
I tend to think the deal will get done with Seattle.

The Jets would then have the #4, #31 and #35 picks overall.

Jets take Williams at #4 to replace Abe then be able to pick any two of the following projected late first early second OL at #31 and #35.

OG, Taitusi Lutui

OT, Marcus McNeil

C, Nick Mangold

OT Eric Winston

OT Ryan O'Callaghan
Jets fan I take it? Would the Jets take a #2 and Schuab for Abraham and Ramsey? That is what the Falcons are said to have offered. What do you think being local and smart on the Jets?
personally, I'm not happy about Ramsey coming over, but the move does give the Jets a serviceable "hold-the-fort" qb to grant them the flexibility to bolster their OL/DL. As far as Schuab goes, I don't know. I don't think it fits the Jets as well as the Seattle offer. If they really want a franchise QB, there are arguably 3 available for them.

I like where the Jets' heads are at. It seems like they accept the fact that the team is in shambles and the quickest way to turn it around is by starting with the guys in the trenches.

 
The wording was something to the effect that Atlanta "would" offer Schaub and the #2 pick for Abraham and Ramsey but that link and everything at NFL.com has been pulled. I will continue to look for a link that quotes this in the meantime but I didn't think it was true when I read it. Atlanta has said all along that they would not trade Schaub or the #15 pick. I was just asking the Jets fan if he could confirm hearing anything of the sort.

Crazy times.
haven't heard anything about the Atlanta rumor.
 
The Jets want a first round pick for Abaraham.... and it seems Seattle anted up. I think with the trade for Ramsey, the Jets still intend to take Cutler at 4, and will now dangle the Seattle deal in front of the Falcons for the 15. If they balk (and another pick could still be negotiated into the Falcons direction as part of the deal) I think the Jets will simply tell Abraham, get a contract done with the Hawks, or sign the tag.... your choice. I really think that the new regime will lay down the law here, and establish their negotiating prowess in the NFL in the process, as much a part of their trade strategy as making a mark as an FO.

 
The Jets want a first round pick for Abaraham.... and it seems Seattle anted up. I think with the trade for Ramsey, the Jets still intend to take Cutler at 4, and will now dangle the Seattle deal in front of the Falcons for the 15. If they balk (and another pick could still be negotiated into the Falcons direction as part of the deal) I think the Jets will simply tell Abraham, get a contract done with the Hawks, or sign the tag.... your choice. I really think that the new regime will lay down the law here, and establish their negotiating prowess in the NFL in the process, as much a part of their trade strategy as making a mark as an FO.
Very interesting. Thanks.
 
Nice week for the Jets: they sign Kimo from Pittsburg to replace Abraham, shore up the QB situation (depending on your viewpoint) and if the Seattle deal goes through, they will #4, #31 and #35. I think Abraham would not be as effective in the 3-4 defense the Jets will run, and Kimo is a natural for it. If that's the case then Jets didn't hurt themselves by losing Abraham, and added a quality QB and have 3 picks in the top 35 and only gave up a 6th rounder. These are not your father's Jets.

I wonder if the Jets really want DeBrick, perhaps they swap with NO and give them the #31 or #35? Seems to me that's who the Saints will take at #2.

 
Nice week for the Jets: they sign Kimo from Pittsburg to replace Abraham, shore up the QB situation (depending on your viewpoint) and if the Seattle deal goes through, they will #4, #31 and #35. I think Abraham would not be as effective in the 3-4 defense the Jets will run, and Kimo is a natural for it. If that's the case then Jets didn't hurt themselves by losing Abraham, and added a quality QB and have 3 picks in the top 35 and only gave up a 6th rounder. These are not your father's Jets.

I wonder if the Jets really want DeBrick, perhaps they swap with NO and give them the #31 or #35? Seems to me that's who the Saints will take at #2.
Kimo's gonna play end in the 3-4, Abraham would've moved to OLB. You'll still have to find someone to be the joey porter/demarcus ware of the defense
 
Nice week for the Jets: they sign Kimo from Pittsburg to replace Abraham, shore up the QB situation (depending on your viewpoint) and if the Seattle deal goes through, they will #4, #31 and #35.  I think Abraham would not be as effective in the 3-4 defense the Jets will run, and Kimo is a natural for it.  If that's the case then Jets didn't hurt themselves by losing Abraham, and added a quality QB and have 3 picks in the top 35 and only gave up a 6th rounder.  These are not your father's Jets.

I wonder if the Jets really want DeBrick, perhaps they swap with NO and give them the #31 or #35?  Seems to me that's who the Saints will take at #2.
Kimo's gonna play end in the 3-4, Abraham would've moved to OLB. You'll still have to find someone to be the joey porter/demarcus ware of the defense
This isn't a one year rebuild, and only the most stupid of Jets fans think otherwise. Work in progress, work in progress. I'm looking towards 2008 to be a playoff team.
 
This isn't a one year rebuild, and only the most stupid of Jets fans think otherwise. Work in progress, work in progress. I'm looking towards 2008 to be a playoff team.
I'm just glad we have some guys here now that seem to know what the hell they are doing. I am liking this offseason very much so far.
 
I wonder if the Jets really want DeBrick, perhaps they swap with NO and give them the #31 or #35? Seems to me that's who the Saints will take at #2.
Jets are in a nice situation at #4. There's no reason for them to move up to #2. Bush goes #1 so they will have either Leinart, D'Brick or Williams available to them when they pick. NO will determine who the Jets take as I don't see Tennessee passing on Leinart.
 
Update:

Jets unwilling to accommodate Abraham<Mar. 18> The Abraham situation has taken an interesting twist. According to ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, the Falcons reached an agreement with Abraham on a multiyear contract, but the Jets rejected their offer of a second-round pick. The deal with Atlanta would pay Abraham between $15 million and $18 million guaranteed. Seattle, conversely, has finished the second half of the equation, but not the first. According to the Tacoma News Tribune, the Seahawks agreed to send their first-round draft choice to the Jets for Abraham, but the three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher was resisting their advances on a long-term contract. The Jets are not willing to sacrifice 16 spots in the upcoming draft, but a deal for Abraham is contingent on a long-term agreement because his status as a franchise player makes him eligible for free agency in 2007. It remains to be seen which side will blink. Abraham has also drawn interest from Denver, Cleveland and Detroit, but those teams appear to be out of the running at this stage.
 
Update:

Jets unwilling to accommodate Abraham

<Mar. 18> The Abraham situation has taken an interesting twist. According to ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, the Falcons reached an agreement with Abraham on a multiyear contract, but the Jets rejected their offer of a second-round pick. The deal with Atlanta would pay Abraham between $15 million and $18 million guaranteed.

Seattle, conversely, has finished the second half of the equation, but not the first. According to the Tacoma News Tribune, the Seahawks agreed to send their first-round draft choice to the Jets for Abraham, but the three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher was resisting their advances on a long-term contract.

The Jets are not willing to sacrifice 16 spots in the upcoming draft, but a deal for Abraham is contingent on a long-term agreement because his status as a franchise player makes him eligible for free agency in 2007. It remains to be seen which side will blink.

Abraham has also drawn interest from Denver, Cleveland and Detroit, but those teams appear to be out of the running at this stage.
Jets have all the leverage - if Abe wants his money he has to convince Atlanta to sack up or go to Seattle. Otherwise play under the franchise another year. Thank God Bradaway and Herm are gone. Otherwise this would have ended weeks ago with the Jets trading Abe to Atlanta for a 3rd rder! Jets future is getting brighter with the young guns in town!

 
per KFFL

Jets | Team looking for ammunition to trade upSun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0800Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets are reportedly looking for ammunition, by trading DE John Abraham, to move up to the No. 2 slot in the April NFL Draft. They team wants to draft USC QB Matt Leinart.
:popcorn:
 
per KFFL

Jets | Team looking for ammunition to trade up

Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:42 -0800

Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets are reportedly looking for ammunition, by trading DE John Abraham, to move up to the No. 2 slot in the April NFL Draft. They team wants to draft USC QB Matt Leinart.
:popcorn:
The #4 and the #31 pick seems like the right kind of ammunition to me.
 
Jets have all the leverage - if Abe wants his money he has to convince Atlanta to sack up or go to Seattle. Otherwise play under the franchise another year.

Thank God Bradaway and Herm are gone. Otherwise this would have ended weeks ago with the Jets trading Abe to Atlanta for a 3rd rder! Jets future is getting brighter with the young guns in town!
It all depends on perspective, I see the Jets having the least amount of leverage among the four parties involved; they are the ones that want to move Abraham. As it is right now, Abraham is willing to agree to the Seahawk deal and if the Jets want to trade him, they will have to move him to Seattle.
 
Jets have all the leverage - if Abe wants his money he has to convince Atlanta to sack up or go to Seattle.  Otherwise play under the franchise another year. 

Thank God Bradaway and Herm are gone.  Otherwise this would have ended weeks ago with the Jets trading Abe to Atlanta for a 3rd rder!  Jets future is getting brighter with the young guns in town!
It all depends on perspective, I see the Jets having the least amount of leverage among the four parties involved; they are the ones that want to move Abraham. As it is right now, Abraham is willing to agree to the Seahawk Atlanta deal and if the Jets want to trade him, they will have to move him to Seattle Atlanta.
Fixed it for you BO
 
Heard Clayton on ESPN radio about an hour ago saying Abraham wants to be in Atlanta, period. He's from the south, he went to South Carolina, he wants to be a Falcon.

The deal is there, he wants to be there, the Falcons hold the cards at this point.

Seattle won't accept a trade for him wtihout a deal and at this point, he doesn't want to play there. If they Jets want to get rid of this player, its time for them to sack-up and take what the Falcons are offering.

 
Heard Clayton on ESPN radio about an hour ago saying Abraham wants to be in Atlanta, period. He's from the south, he went to South Carolina, he wants to be a Falcon.

The deal is there, he wants to be there, the Falcons hold the cards at this point.

Seattle won't accept a trade for him wtihout a deal and at this point, he doesn't want to play there. If they Jets want to get rid of this player, its time for them to sack-up and take what the Falcons are offering.
The Jets can franchise him and he'll have to play as a Jet in 2006. The Jets can trade him for what they want otherwise. Who holds the cards?
 
1. I read the Bergen Record. Tha last report about the Jets expressing a desire to trade up is over a month old. Speculation in the local papers is rampant, but there's no indication from the Jets of any preference for any player, or any indication they are trying to trade up.

2. Abraham ha a franchis tag on him. As I see it, what players hate about the tag is that they have no leverage. If the Jets don't get enough value, they can keep Abraham - they have plenty of cap room now. And if they keep Abraham, his onyl choice is to play in NY or lose $8 million. I think we all know which would happen. I don't think the Jets feel any pressure to deal Abraham to Atlanta whatsoever, and I would be shocked if he went to Atlanta for anything less than a 2nd and a 3rd (which is roughly equal to Seattle's 1st-rounder). I don't think Abraham's desires to play in Atlanta affects the Jets thinking much at all.

 
Heard Clayton on ESPN radio about an hour ago saying Abraham wants to be in Atlanta, period.  He's from the south, he went to South Carolina, he wants to be a Falcon.

The deal is there, he wants to be there, the Falcons hold the cards at this point. 

Seattle won't accept a trade for him wtihout a deal and at this point, he doesn't want to play there.  If they Jets want to get rid of this player, its time for them to sack-up and take what the Falcons are offering.
The Jets can franchise him and he'll have to play as a Jet in 2006. The Jets can trade him for what they want otherwise. Who holds the cards?
I guess the Jets hold the cards, IF they're willing to pay top dollar to a player who doesn't want to be there and they really don't want.If it goes down like that, it could end up being a recipe for disaster.

 
Heard Clayton on ESPN radio about an hour ago saying Abraham wants to be in Atlanta, period.  He's from the south, he went to South Carolina, he wants to be a Falcon.

The deal is there, he wants to be there, the Falcons hold the cards at this point. 

Seattle won't accept a trade for him wtihout a deal and at this point, he doesn't want to play there.  If they Jets want to get rid of this player, its time for them to sack-up and take what the Falcons are offering.
The Jets can franchise him and he'll have to play as a Jet in 2006. The Jets can trade him for what they want otherwise. Who holds the cards?
I guess the Jets hold the cards, IF they're willing to pay top dollar to a player who doesn't want to be there and they really don't want.If it goes down like that, it could end up being a recipe for disaster.
Jets hold all the cards - who cares if Abe is upset. If he plays bad or becomes a cancer all he does is hurt his value for next year. GB the franchise tag! Abe wants his money - he prefers Atlanta but if a deal can't be struck he will quickly get out his Seattle pom-poms. The only team color Abe cares about is green and I don't mean Jet green

 
Heard Clayton on ESPN radio about an hour ago saying Abraham wants to be in Atlanta, period. He's from the south, he went to South Carolina, he wants to be a Falcon.

The deal is there, he wants to be there, the Falcons hold the cards at this point.

Seattle won't accept a trade for him wtihout a deal and at this point, he doesn't want to play there. If they Jets want to get rid of this player, its time for them to sack-up and take what the Falcons are offering.
The Jets can franchise him and he'll have to play as a Jet in 2006. The Jets can trade him for what they want otherwise. Who holds the cards?
I guess the Jets hold the cards, IF they're willing to pay top dollar to a player who doesn't want to be there and they really don't want.If it goes down like that, it could end up being a recipe for disaster.
He may be disgruntled but he has to play well to spark interest in other teams after this year. The Jets don't HAVE to deal him and if he performs in the top 5 then it's money well spent. Until they get what they want for him they have a bad ### pass rusher who needs to perform to get his dough and deal from someone else.
 
Heard Clayton on ESPN radio about an hour ago saying Abraham wants to be in Atlanta, period.  He's from the south, he went to South Carolina, he wants to be a Falcon.

The deal is there, he wants to be there, the Falcons hold the cards at this point. 

Seattle won't accept a trade for him wtihout a deal and at this point, he doesn't want to play there.  If they Jets want to get rid of this player, its time for them to sack-up and take what the Falcons are offering.
The Jets can franchise him and he'll have to play as a Jet in 2006. The Jets can trade him for what they want otherwise. Who holds the cards?
I guess the Jets hold the cards, IF they're willing to pay top dollar to a player who doesn't want to be there and they really don't want.If it goes down like that, it could end up being a recipe for disaster.
Jets hold all the cards - who cares if Abe is upset. If he plays bad or becomes a cancer all he does is hurt his value for next year.
:eek: Not saying Abraham would pull a T.O., but I'd say there's absolutely no way that the Jets want to go through what Eagles went through last year.The one thing we did learn after the T.O. saga, is that once the dust settles, there will always be a team willing to throw money at a talented player.

Last thing is, the new CBA has some very specific clauses in it which protect players if they're involved in a dispute with their team and it gets nasty.

• Teams can't get back signing-bonus money if a player voluntarily retires; that has to be negotiated into a player's contract. In the past, teams could ask a player to pay back the proration of the remaining part of his contract if he retires in the early stages or in the middle of the contract .

• A player can lose only 25 percent of his signing bonus that year if he acts in a way that "undermines his ability to fully participate in an exhibition game or a regular season game." A second occurrence could cost him the remaining 75 percent, but how many players get two Terrell Owens-like suspensions?

• Teams can't do a Ricky Williams and go back and collect signing bonuses, performance bonuses or escalators earned in past years. Williams quit the Dolphins to live a temporary life of smoking dope and healing holistically. The Dolphins gave him an $8.4 million bill because of the forfeiture language in his contract. Not anymore.

• If a player retires and skips a good portion of the season against a team's wishes, the team must take him back under his existing contract and can't force him to give back any of the signing bonus. If the team wants to fight him for portions of the signing bonus, it has to release him and give him a chance to find another team.

• A player can't be ordered to lose signing-bonus money if he fails to participate in voluntary offseason workouts. Players can't lose portions of their signing bonuses if they make adverse public statements. That's right: The NFLPA won back the conduct rule the Cincinnati Bengals tried to implement when Corey Dillon and Carl Pickens blasted the team. The Bengals had written contracts that forced players to pay back their signing bonuses if they blasted the team.

• The new CBA prohibits teams from inserting forfeiture clauses for violations of the NFL drug and steroids policy. A player loses game checks if he is suspended by the league, but the league can't get back more money than the pay for the games he misses.
 
update from JEts board - on new Jet/Met channel

Abraham stating he will only play for Atlanta, due to being closer to his family there in Carolina. He stated he would not play for Seattle for the same contract. It is "not a money issue" he stated.

Abe trying to help Atlanta heist the Jets - he must not have received the memo that Bradaway is no longer in charge. Jets will get their deal or he will play for them next year. Zero leverage to Abe and the falcons. Pay up or Jets keep him!

Funny statement "Its not a money issue" - its all been about the money to Abe!

BTW - he has no choice but to be a good soldier and not pull a TO - otherwise he loses money in his next deal - if he ever gets one! He has to be on good behavior and not hury his value! He has a lousy/malcontnet year and loses the money!

 
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BTW - he has no choice but to be a good soldier and not pull a TO - otherwise he loses money in his next deal - if he ever gets one! He has to be on good behavior and not hury his value! He has a lousy/malcontnet year and loses the money!
T.O. pulling a T.O. didn't hurt his money. Have you seen what the Cowboys are paying him? :eek: What makes you think it'd be any different with Abraham?

 
It looks lie we have two things....

Atlanta has agreed with Abraham, while the Hawks have agreed with the Jets.

The deal will go through to whichever team can complete the second half of the deal.

This would be awesome for the HAwks.
It looks lie???? :confused:
 
It looks lie we have two things....

Atlanta has agreed with Abraham, while the Hawks have agreed with the Jets.

The deal will go through to whichever team can complete the second half of the deal.

This would be awesome for the HAwks.
It looks lie???? :confused:
Ahhh, feelings were hurt I take it?
 
Jets | Abraham intent on playing in AtlantaSun, 19 Mar 2006 19:35:15 -0800Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports New York Jets franchise free agent DE John Abraham is intent on playing for the Atlanta Falcons, his agent, Tony Agnone, confirmed Sunday, March 19. The contract agreement he reached Friday, March 17, with Atlanta and his word are his bond. The Jets have thwarted Abraham's relocation by treating the Falcons' trade offer of a second-round draft pick as insufficient. Instead, the Jets have agreed to trade him to the Seattle Seahawks for a first-round draft choice, and that decision has left Abraham "not happy," according to Agnone. In a brief e-mail to the Journal-Constitution, Agnone said there had been no developments in the saga over the weekend. Though things were quiet over the weekend, the Falcons confirmed talks are expected to resume as soon as Monday, March 20.
 
update from JEts board - on new Jet/Met channel

Abraham stating he will only play for Atlanta, due to being closer to his family there in Carolina. He stated he would not play for Seattle for the same contract. It is "not a money issue" he stated.

Abe trying to help Atlanta heist the Jets - he must not have received the memo that Bradaway is no longer in charge. Jets will get their deal or he will play for them next year. Zero leverage to Abe and the falcons. Pay up or Jets keep him!

Funny statement "Its not a money issue" - its all been about the money to Abe!

BTW - he has no choice but to be a good soldier and not pull a TO - otherwise he loses money in his next deal - if he ever gets one! He has to be on good behavior and not hury his value! He has a lousy/malcontnet year and loses the money!
It looks like the Falcons and Abraham have all the leverage. If the Jets don't settle for the Falcons 2nd round pick, then they will have accept the fact that they will have 10 million of their salary cap not used this season. In addition, Abraham could likely play and collect his paycheck but sit out most of the year with a nagging injury. :shrug:
 

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