Addai vs. Maroney (1 Viewer)

[Keith Lewis]

Just curious what others think about these two in redraft and dynasty.

I'll take the unpopular side at FBG and take Maroney. Why?

1. Better run blocking offensive Line

2. Last year 20 TDS between Dillon/Maroney compared to 12 for Addai/Rhodes

3. Maroney is the more explosive runner & significantly more talented

4. Maroney reminds me of Eric Dickerson, Addai reminds me of a less talented Brian Westbrook

5. New England has a better defense and will be on the field alot more with better field position.

6. Dillon was a better RB than Rhodes and neither were beat out for the starting job

Facts on 2006:

Dillon/Maroney=Addai/Rhodes in rushing yards

Addai/Rhodes combined for 300 more receiving yards

Dillon/Maroney combined for 8 more TDS

For the most part this is pretty even.

Things in common:

Maroney/Addai never carried a full load

Both 2nd year backs

Both are now feature backs

Obviously the edge in receiving goes to Addai as he did have 18 more catches for 130 more yards than Maroney.

One interesting thing is that I visit another site where they have a huge message board following and Maroney is the one being overhyped and thrust into the top 5 on everyones boards just as Addai is here, the only difference is the names...

I have these two pretty close but give a small edge to Maroney due to my perception of their talent sets. For the sake of this thread let's not throw out the word "injury" into the equation and assume 16 game seasons by both players.

 

[Blackjacks]

I go Maroney in both as long as his health is okay

 

[jurb26]

I go Maroney in both as long as his health is okay

 

[jurb26]

5-0 Maroney. I guess the Addai camp is sleeping?

 

[ThePittbully]

I go Maroney in both as long as his health is okay

Im an LSU and Im staying away from Addai because I dont agree with the value most people are tagging him with. Ive seen him go as high as 4 in redraft and dynasty, which IMO is wayyy to high for a guy who's never held a complete workload and has been repeatedly slowed by injuries

 

[Keith Lewis]

9-1 for Maroney in both? Is this FBG or did I accidently post at the pro Maroney site?

 

[jurb26]

I think Maroney has better talent, is just as likely to be able to carry the load as a feature RB and both play on great teams. I think we used to be able to say that Indy was a better situation, but I don't think that is true any more. NE has major upgrades at WR, Indy lost it's best Olineman and NE has a far superior D.

 

[joffer]

if Maroney's shoulder wasn't any concern, i'd put them even in a redraft. since it still is, Addai gets the edge

for dynasty, i do think Maroney is more talented so i'll go with him.

 

[Keith Lewis]

9-1 for Maroney in both? Is this FBG or did I accidently post at the pro Maroney site?

9-6. Addai supporters have arrived in force.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I'd go Maroney. The Patriots consistently put Dillon on the goal line the last 3 years, and he's racked up 37 rushing tds. If I'm not mistaken, he led the league in rushing yards per game in 2004. He wasn't the same the past 2 years but the tds still came...

So, you put Maroney in. He's younger, quicker,more athletic. He'll be able to put the yards with the tds. Maroney also had more receiving yards last year than Dillon had in his entire stint with the Patriots, and that was in lmited action.

I think if old man Dillon can roll of 13 tds a year, so can a more explosive/athletic Maroney.

 

[Riffraff]

Chose Addai for 2007; Maroney for a career.

Last year at this time, I wasn't sure Addai would be in the league after 3-5 years.

I'm coming around on him though.

 

[Keith Lewis]

17-14 addai in redraft

17-14 maroney in dynasty

Interesting

 

[pizzatyme]

Here is the biggest difference between the two...

Addai has played in and won a super bowl.

Maroney, umm, well, nope!



In all seriousness, I like both players, however Maroney is the one with injury concerns currently, not Addai.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

If it wasn't for Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney would be the most overrated running back of last year's draft. At least Bush showed something last season. I wasn't all that impressed with Maroney. It's funny how he played on a better run-blocking line and a much better defense and still was pretty mediocre as a rookie.

I don't want to hear any excuses either. He split time with Dillon. And? Bush, MJD, and Addai all had to deal with RBBC and they were able to fare much better than Maroney. Blame the shoulder or whatever all you want. He pretty much proved nothing last season barely finishing in the top 30 and now people are ready to make him a first round pick? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

In case you're wondering I'd prefer Addai as I feel he's a better, more proven player that is playing in a better offense.

 

[ImTheScientist]

If it wasn't for Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney would be the most overrated running back of last year's draft. At least Bush showed something last season. I wasn't all that impressed with Maroney. It's funny how he played on a better run-blocking line and a much better defense and still was pretty mediocre as a rookie.

I don't want to hear any excuses either. He split time with Dillon. And? Bush, MJD, and Addai all had to deal with RBBC and they were able to fare much better than Maroney. Blame the shoulder or whatever all you want. He pretty much proved nothing last season barely finishing in the top 30 and now people are ready to make him a first round pick? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

In case you're wondering I'd prefer Addai as I feel he's a better, more proven player that is playing in a better offense.

 

[Jon_Moore]

What qualifies as good as a rookie?

Maroney had a higher catch%, Higher Yards per Reception, and higher yards per carry than reggie bush.

Addai got 2 more points per game than Maroney on 70 more touches. That's 4 more touches a week.

 

[Gaddis]

I picked Maroney over Addai last year and am keeping Maroney.

I picked Addai for both. Maroney's injuries really bother me, and I'm worried he might be the kind who runs so hard he hurts himself. Addai just got it done last year. And while he took some big hits, he never seemed to slow down.

I think Maroney is better, physically. Addai is better on the field.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

What qualifies as good as a rookie?Maroney had a higher catch%, Higher Yards per Reception, and higher yards per carry than reggie bush.Addai got 2 more points per game than Maroney on 70 more touches. That's 4 more touches a week.

So you think Maroney's better than Reggie Bush? That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. You talk about average this percentage that and that's all well and good but it's the end result that matters and Maroney's wasn't all that last year. I'm not saying he's garbage. I definitely think he's overrated. He can and probably will rush for over 1000 yards. 20 touchdowns? Probably not. All's I'm saying is that people should probably hold off a little on the Eric Dickerson talk until they see more.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So you think Maroney's better than Reggie Bush? That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

So, what, you're trying to say that Reggie Bush isn't good? He's a consensus top-10 RB this year. If someone thinks Maroney is better than Bush, by definition, that would mean Maroney is pretty freakin good.In other words, I have no clue what you're trying to say with that comment.

 

[Jon_Moore]

My point is you don't give any real argument for not being impressed. 3 other guys in time shares had better stats,so Maroney won't be good?

If you want to say Addia was ;in a similar situation and posted better numbers, ok, but I will maintain he had 70 more touches. You give Maroney 50 more carries and about 20 more receptions, and I believe you're singing a different tune.

He got 22 while splitting, Dillon got 15, I definitely think Maroney can catch 40 passes

I haven't heard any Erick Dickerson talk. I've been seeing him going between 9 and 12, you don't think he belongs in that range?

 

[Vision6]

I'd go with Addai he'll rack up yards through both the air and the ground and Maroney's tendency to get nicked up scares me

 

[bostonfred]

Here is the biggest difference between the two...Addai has played in and won a super bowl.Maroney, umm, well, nope! In all seriousness, I like both players, however Maroney is the one with injury concerns currently, not Addai.

It's funny that when people used to make the same jokes about Manning, you got all fired up about it. I think it's interesting how many Colts fans have changed their tune now that they've won one.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

The Colts have a star-making system at RB, much like Denver. Look at what happened to Edge...

The Pats can't quite match that, and Maroney has more injury concerns than Addai. Additionally, hasn't there been talk of Heath Evans as the goal-line back?

-Josh

 

[Family Matters]

Redraft:

Addai-90 (70.31%)

Maroney-38(29.69%)

Dynasty:

Addai-69 (53.91%)

Maroney-59 (46.09%)

Looks like Addai is the favorite either way. Both are good options as far as I'm concerned. I love their talent and scoring ability. Bothe are in good offenses. Bothe have the 3 things I think a good FF players needs:

1. Talent

2. Opportunity

3. Motivation

While both have left owners wondering if they will be healthy enough to stay on the field, what we know right now is that Maroney has already missed time and still isn't out of the woods yet. Addai hasn't had any injuries for over 2 years now. If you're seeing them close then Addai should have the edge. Lastly, Addai has a slightly better Opportunity factor due to playing in the Indy offense. Indy scores better than anyone and Addai's proven in the passing game creating what should amount to more touches.

 

[BigRed]

let's not throw out the word "injury" into the equation and assume 16 game seasons by both players.

because.....Injury risk is part of the equation and mostly why (I think) Maroney is basically a 2d round pick while Addai is 1st. I lean to Addai overall too, but not by a ton.

 

[Jon_Moore]

The Colts have a star-making system at RB, much like Denver. Look at what happened to Edge...The Pats can't quite match that, and Maroney has more injury concerns than Addai. Additionally, hasn't there been talk of Heath Evans as the goal-line back?-Josh

I've heard nothing on this, and if there was much made on it, it would change my opinion. But with Dillon posting 13 tds per season in NE, I'd say their offense has been pretty running back friendly as well.

 

[Jon_Moore]

The Colts have a star-making system at RB, much like Denver. Look at what happened to Edge...The Pats can't quite match that, and Maroney has more injury concerns than Addai. Additionally, hasn't there been talk of Heath Evans as the goal-line back?-Josh

I've heard nothing on this, and if there was much made on it, it would change my opinion. But with Dillon posting 13 tds per season in NE, I'd say their offense has been pretty running back friendly as well.

 

[Blue Barbarian]

I like Maroney but I love me some Colts. Take Addai.

 

[DenverBroncos]

Maroney = Much better Running Back.

Addai = Much better FANTASY running back.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

So you think Maroney's better than Reggie Bush? That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

So, what, you're trying to say that Reggie Bush isn't good? He's a consensus top-10 RB this year. If someone thinks Maroney is better than Bush, by definition, that would mean Maroney is pretty freakin good.In other words, I have no clue what you're trying to say with that comment.

And what a mistake that''ll turn out to be. Bush was barely in the top 20 last season. Nothing's really changed either on the Saints. Deuce is still there. But this thread isn't about Bush so I'll move on.

I haven't heard any Erick Dickerson talk. I've been seeing him going between 9 and 12, you don't think he belongs in that range?

The guy that started the topic said that Maroney reminded him of Dickerson. I absolutely don't believe that Maroney should be a first round pick. Why should I? He's an unproven player who has a bad shoulder and I'm supposed to trust him as a #1 running back? No way. People make it seem so simple. Oh just throw a running back on a good team and he'll be a stud. Or since he and Corey Dillon combined for 20 touchdowns and Dillon's gone he'll score 20 touchdowns. It doesn't just work like that. You'd swear there were no good running backs in the NFL all of them play in the right "system". What a joke.

I'm not saying that Maroney sucks. I already posted that. Maybe you forgot to read it. Whatever. But people are saying that he's more talented than Addai really have no basis for it. He was better in college which means nothing in the NFL. In terms of quantity stats and quality stats Addai was a better player than Maroney last season. Until Maroney shows me a lot different it's clear to me that Joseph Addai is the much better player.

 

[jurb26]

People make it seem so simple. Oh just throw a running back on a good team and he'll be a stud. Or since he and Corey Dillon combined for 20 touchdowns and Dillon's gone he'll score 20 touchdowns. It doesn't just work like that. You'd swear there were no good running backs in the NFL all of them play in the right "system". What a joke.

This is exactly what people are doing with Addai. Quite honestly, I see very little difference in these 2 players.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

People make it seem so simple. Oh just throw a running back on a good team and he'll be a stud. Or since he and Corey Dillon combined for 20 touchdowns and Dillon's gone he'll score 20 touchdowns. It doesn't just work like that. You'd swear there were no good running backs in the NFL all of them play in the right "system". What a joke.

This is exactly what people are doing with Addai. Quite honestly, I see very little difference in these 2 players.

Here's the difference though. Joseph Addai has already proven what he could do when he's a main ballcarrier whereas Maroney has not. If you combine the regular season and postseason stats for Addai he had over 1800 total yards and 10 touchdowns. There's no reason for me to think he can't do at least that in 2007 because he's already done it. I can honestly at the very least say that Joseph Addai is a good running back.Peyton Manning and Dominic Rhodes had 10 rushing touchdowns between them. If Addai gets even half of those in 2007 to go along with the obvious increase in yards from even more opportunities he's going to be a top-5 running back. I haven't seen anything in Maroney that makes me think he's at or near that level. I know that he's getting drafted really high for someone who is isn't necessarily a stud (yet) but at least there is some merit to it. With Maroney it's just "oh he's really talented" or "he's going to score a bunch of touchdowns". People may have forgot but Randy Moss plays for the Patriots now. There's no way Maroney's coming near 15 touchdowns let alone 20 with Moss in town.

 

[jurb26]

People make it seem so simple. Oh just throw a running back on a good team and he'll be a stud. Or since he and Corey Dillon combined for 20 touchdowns and Dillon's gone he'll score 20 touchdowns. It doesn't just work like that. You'd swear there were no good running backs in the NFL all of them play in the right "system". What a joke.

This is exactly what people are doing with Addai. Quite honestly, I see very little difference in these 2 players.

Here's the difference though. Joseph Addai has already proven what he could do when he's a main ballcarrier whereas Maroney has not. Sure Maroney did. They guy had 15+ carries in 5 games. So he battled a few injuries last year, big deal. If you combine the regular season and postseason stats for Addai he had over 1800 total yards and 10 touchdowns. I'm not exactly sure why, but 1800/10 just doesn't seem all that impressive over 20 games. Not for a guy who is being touted as a top 5 fantasy player. There's no reason for me to think he can't do at least that in 2007 because he's already done it. I can honestly at the very least say that Joseph Addai is a good running back. If he gives you 90 yds and 0.5 TDs per game, he will not be a top 5 RB.Peyton Manning and Dominic Rhodes had 10 rushing touchdowns between them. If Addai gets even half of those in 2007 to go along with the obvious increase in yards from even more opportunities he's going to be a top-5 running back. I haven't seen anything in Maroney that makes me think he's at or near that level. OK, now you are really just getting carried away. Dillon had 15 TDs last year. If Maroney gets even half of those, his total jumps up to 14.5. Add in just half the yds Dillon accounted for (480) and that puts Maroney up to 1419 yds. Oh and he only played 14 games last year too. So, using your math Maroney should be good for 1419/14. If we use this same formula for Addai, he gets 1852/10 and he played in all 16 games, with no injuries to slow him down.

I know that he's getting drafted really high for someone who is isn't necessarily a stud (yet) but at least there is some merit to it. With Maroney it's just "oh he's really talented" or "he's going to score a bunch of touchdowns". People may have forgot but Randy Moss plays for the Patriots now. There's no way Maroney's coming near 15 touchdowns let alone 20 with Moss in town. People have forgot that Addai has lost his best Olineman, the D has gotten worse and Indy added another potent weapon in the passing game too. Oh, and no people have not forgotten that Moss is in town. Part of Maroney only getting half of Dillon's numbers reflect that. Realistically though, Moss opens up rushing lanes be stretching the field. He will more than likely help NE's rushing efficiency, not hinder it. Sure he could steal a few TDs. Again, if we only take half of Dillon's total and apply it to Maroney that leaves 8 unaccounted for TDs. Go ahead and give them to Moss, I don't care.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So you think Maroney's better than Reggie Bush? That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

So, what, you're trying to say that Reggie Bush isn't good? He's a consensus top-10 RB this year. If someone thinks Maroney is better than Bush, by definition, that would mean Maroney is pretty freakin good.In other words, I have no clue what you're trying to say with that comment.

And what a mistake that''ll turn out to be. Bush was barely in the top 20 last season. Nothing's really changed either on the Saints. Deuce is still there. But this thread isn't about Bush so I'll move on.

Bush was the #14 RB in my league last year. And that's a non-PPR league. So unless you think he won't improve this year, this comparison only hurts your argument.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

People make it seem so simple. Oh just throw a running back on a good team and he'll be a stud. Or since he and Corey Dillon combined for 20 touchdowns and Dillon's gone he'll score 20 touchdowns. It doesn't just work like that. You'd swear there were no good running backs in the NFL all of them play in the right "system". What a joke.

This is exactly what people are doing with Addai. Quite honestly, I see very little difference in these 2 players.

Here's the difference though. Joseph Addai has already proven what he could do when he's a main ballcarrier whereas Maroney has not. Sure Maroney did. They guy had 15+ carries in 5 games. So he battled a few injuries last year, big deal. If you combine the regular season and postseason stats for Addai he had over 1800 total yards and 10 touchdowns. I'm not exactly sure why, but 1800/10 just doesn't seem all that impressive over 20 games. Not for a guy who is being touted as a top 5 fantasy player. There's no reason for me to think he can't do at least that in 2007 because he's already done it. I can honestly at the very least say that Joseph Addai is a good running back. If he gives you 90 yds and 0.5 TDs per game, he will not be a top 5 RB.Peyton Manning and Dominic Rhodes had 10 rushing touchdowns between them. If Addai gets even half of those in 2007 to go along with the obvious increase in yards from even more opportunities he's going to be a top-5 running back. I haven't seen anything in Maroney that makes me think he's at or near that level. OK, now you are really just getting carried away. Dillon had 15 TDs last year. If Maroney gets even half of those, his total jumps up to 14.5. Add in just half the yds Dillon accounted for (480) and that puts Maroney up to 1419 yds. Oh and he only played 14 games last year too. So, using your math Maroney should be good for 1400/14. If we use this same formula for Addai, he gets 1852/10.5 and he played in all 16 games, with no injuries to slow him down.

I know that he's getting drafted really high for someone who is isn't necessarily a stud (yet) but at least there is some merit to it. With Maroney it's just "oh he's really talented" or "he's going to score a bunch of touchdowns". People may have forgot but Randy Moss plays for the Patriots now. There's no way Maroney's coming near 15 touchdowns let alone 20 with Moss in town. People have forgot that Addai has lost his best Olineman, the D has gotten worse and Indy added another potent weapon in the passing game too.

I'm looking at Addai's production from a different perspective. He had 1800 yards and 10 touchdowns over 20 games but it was all in one season. He had 362 touches, 302 carries and 62 catches. The fact remains that he's done it but Maroney hasn't. He's shown that over the course of a season he can be an extremely productive player. It's not unreasonable for me to believe that he does at least that in 2007.Like I said before with Moss (and Stallworth and Welker but mainly Moss) in town Maroney is not going to have the chance to score as many touchdowns as Dillon and he have in the past. If these players play the way they're able to this offense will shift in New England. Unless the Patriots score damn near 500 points I don't think there's enough touchdowns to go around for those wide receivers (especially Moss) and Laurence Maroney. I haven't seen him play like Addai yet so talent wise I can't say he's on his level so I can't expect him to rush for 1400 yards.

The Colts were always known as a great pass blocking line but a decent to mediocre run blocking line (which Joseph Addai averaged 4.8 ypc behind btw). I'm not naive enough to think that losing Tarik Glenn won't have an effect but the Colts gave up a lot to get this Tony Ugoh guy (next year's 1st round pick). If he pans out like most of Bill Polian's picks have in the past I think that Manning and the Colts should be okay. If not then yeah, they including Addai are going to have a problem. Anthony Gonzalez is a rookie third wide receiver so I don't think he'll be a threat to anything Addai does.

If the defense is bad again so what? It was bad last year and the Colts were still an offensive juggernaut. Were it not for the Colts the Rams would have had the worst rush defense in the league. Overall their defense sucked but Steven Jackson still got his. Frank Gore played for the worst defense in the league and he still rushed for nearly 1700 yards and had over 2100 total yards. Bad defenses do not make for bad running backs. This is one of those long standing myths that I wish would go away.

It's no use comparing Laurence Maroney to Joseph Addai. Addai is so far ahead of him right now. You're better off comparing him to Reggie Bush or Ronnie Brown or Willis McGahee or somebody lower in the draft. Not Addai.

 

[Family Matters]

People make it seem so simple. Oh just throw a running back on a good team and he'll be a stud. Or since he and Corey Dillon combined for 20 touchdowns and Dillon's gone he'll score 20 touchdowns. It doesn't just work like that. You'd swear there were no good running backs in the NFL all of them play in the right "system". What a joke.

This is exactly what people are doing with Addai. Quite honestly, I see very little difference in these 2 players.

Here's the difference though. Joseph Addai has already proven what he could do when he's a main ballcarrier whereas Maroney has not. Sure Maroney did. They guy had 15+ carries in 5 games. So he battled a few injuries last year, big deal. If you combine the regular season and postseason stats for Addai he had over 1800 total yards and 10 touchdowns. I'm not exactly sure why, but 1800/10 just doesn't seem all that impressive over 20 games. Not for a guy who is being touted as a top 5 fantasy player. There's no reason for me to think he can't do at least that in 2007 because he's already done it. I can honestly at the very least say that Joseph Addai is a good running back. If he gives you 90 yds and 0.5 TDs per game, he will not be a top 5 RB.Peyton Manning and Dominic Rhodes had 10 rushing touchdowns between them. If Addai gets even half of those in 2007 to go along with the obvious increase in yards from even more opportunities he's going to be a top-5 running back. I haven't seen anything in Maroney that makes me think he's at or near that level. OK, now you are really just getting carried away. Dillon had 15 TDs last year. If Maroney gets even half of those, his total jumps up to 14.5. Add in just half the yds Dillon accounted for (480) and that puts Maroney up to 1419 yds. Oh and he only played 14 games last year too. So, using your math Maroney should be good for 1419/14. If we use this same formula for Addai, he gets 1852/10 and he played in all 16 games, with no injuries to slow him down.

I know that he's getting drafted really high for someone who is isn't necessarily a stud (yet) but at least there is some merit to it. With Maroney it's just "oh he's really talented" or "he's going to score a bunch of touchdowns". People may have forgot but Randy Moss plays for the Patriots now. There's no way Maroney's coming near 15 touchdowns let alone 20 with Moss in town. People have forgot that Addai has lost his best Olineman, the D has gotten worse and Indy added another potent weapon in the passing game too. Oh, and no people have not forgotten that Moss is in town. Part of Maroney only getting half of Dillon's numbers reflect that. Realistically though, Moss opens up rushing lanes be stretching the field. He will more than likely help NE's rushing efficiency, not hinder it. Sure he could steal a few TDs. Again, if we only take half of Dillon's total and apply it to Maroney that leaves 8 unaccounted for TDs. Go ahead and give them to Moss, I don't care.

Jurb-you're bringing up a few good points that are worth discussing. I think there is some over reacting to some of this however.Glenn retiring is not as bad as some have made it. They drafted his replacement already and he's pretty good coming out of college. Besides, it's just 1 position. They run right too.

The defense will likely be better overall than last year, not worse. At least as long as Sanders is healthy. He completes this D. He makes them better against the run. Remember last year? He missed several games when Indy was getting run off the field. As soon as he returned thay were a different D. I fully expect them to look more like the playoff D than the one mid-late season. They may not be quite as good as what we saw in the playoffs but they'll still do well.

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

As ot relates to dynasty, some have made the statement they think Maroney is more talented. I don't buy that at all. I watched several of Maroney's games in college and he's good. In fact they are both talented and both have demonstarted they can make plays. They did it in college and now they're doing it in the NFL. They are both talented. However, for now and the next 3 years or more, Addai is in a better system. Addai has been healthy while Maroney has not. Again, edge to Addai.

 

[jurb26]

I'm looking at Addai's production from a different perspective. He had 1800 yards and 10 touchdowns over 20 games but it was all in one season. He had 362 touches, 302 carries and 62 catches. The fact remains that he's done it but Maroney hasn't. He's shown that over the course of a season he can be an extremely productive player. It's not unreasonable for me to believe that he does at least that in 2007.

This makes no sense. Both players are going to be given the opportunity to be the unquestioned featured RB. Dillon stole far more fantasy points from Maroney than Rhodes did Addai last year. Unless you are banking on an injury, everything leads to Maroney seeing a a more drastic increase. NEITHER of these guys have ever had a featured role in the NFL. They both still need to prove they can handle it.

Like I said before with Moss (and Stallworth and Welker but mainly Moss) in town Maroney is not going to have the chance to score as many touchdowns as Dillon and he have in the past. If these players play the way they're able to this offense will shift in New England. Unless the Patriots score damn near 500 points I don't think there's enough touchdowns to go around for those wide receivers (especially Moss) and Laurence Maroney. I haven't seen him play like Addai yet so talent wise I can't say he's on his level so I can't expect him to rush for 1400 yards.

See the above post. I edited it. In those numbers, there are still 8 TDs left unaccounted for! Give them to Moss, give them to Stallworth, give them to Watson. I don't care. Maroney does not need them to be a great fantasy player. It only stands to reason IMO that the NE will score more with the added weapons, but that actually does not even need to enter this debate. There are still eight TDs left ofver from Dillon's 15!

The Colts were always known as a great pass blocking line but a decent to mediocre run blocking line (which Joseph Addai averaged 4.8 ypc behind btw). I'm not naive enough to think that losing Tarik Glenn won't have an effect but the Colts gave up a lot to get this Tony Ugoh guy (next year's 1st round pick). If he pans out like most of Bill Polian's picks have in the past I think that Manning and the Colts should be okay. If not then yeah, they including Addai are going to have a problem. Anthony Gonzalez is a rookie third wide receiver so I don't think he'll be a threat to anything Addai does.

Stokely sure was a threat to steal TDs and yards, right. Everything I've heard is that Gonzalez looks Stokely-esc in the slot for Indy right now.

If the defense is bad again so what? It was bad last year and the Colts were still an offensive juggernaut. Were it not for the Colts the Rams would have had the worst rush defense in the league. Overall their defense sucked but Steven Jackson still got his. Frank Gore played for the worst defense in the league and he still rushed for nearly 1700 yards and had over 2100 total yards. Bad defenses do not make for bad running backs. This is one of those long standing myths that I wish would go away.



The Colts will aways be an offensive power so long as Manning is there with the great WRs on the edges. If the D is struggling and the Oline is not as strong it only stands to reason that Indy will put the ball in the hand of it's best player, Manning. That is the point.

It's no use comparing Laurence Maroney to Joseph Addai. Addai is so far ahead of him right now. You're better off comparing him to Reggie Bush or Ronnie Brown or Willis McGahee or somebody lower in the draft. Not Addai.

It is this group of players that Addai should be drafted with as well as Maroney. 5th overall is overpaying.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

So you think Maroney's better than Reggie Bush? That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

So, what, you're trying to say that Reggie Bush isn't good? He's a consensus top-10 RB this year. If someone thinks Maroney is better than Bush, by definition, that would mean Maroney is pretty freakin good.In other words, I have no clue what you're trying to say with that comment.

And what a mistake that''ll turn out to be. Bush was barely in the top 20 last season. Nothing's really changed either on the Saints. Deuce is still there. But this thread isn't about Bush so I'll move on.

Bush was the #14 RB in my league last year. And that's a non-PPR league. So unless you think he won't improve this year, this comparison only hurts your argument.

Guess that's your league. I think I saw him at 17 or 18 last I checked. Whatever. I don't think he'll improve. What's he gonna do? Catch more passes? Come on he had like 90 receptions. Maybe he'll stop getting caught behind the line of scrimmage and run for a higher average than 3.6. I doubt it but it's possible. Other than that no I don't see this huge room for improvement. He's being touted as a top-10 rb yet Deuce McAllister (the guy who actually was a top-10 rb in 06) is still on the team. And to keep it in line with this thread I'll say that at least Maroney is going to be the clear-cut starting running back for the Patriots and they should have a good offense which will give him a much greater chance for a better fantasy season. So there's little reason why Reggie Bush should be ranked (by the "consensus") over Maroney or in the top-10 at all.

 

[jurb26]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

It is this group of players that Addai should be drafted with as well as Maroney. 5th overall is overpaying.

It probably is but by how much really? After LT, LJ, SJax, and Gore (aka the super-studs) who can you say definitively should go ahead of Joseph Addai? I'm higher on Willie Parker than most and would probably take him over Addai but I can see why others wouldn't. After that I honestly can't say that I see anybody else I'd rather have. Westbrook's always hurt and may have had a career year in 06. What's to say that he doesn't revert to how he played in the past. Speaking of past Shaun Alexander is a relic who's best days are behind him (maybe far behind him). Travis Henry's good but the Broncos aren't what they were. Rudi Johnson's offers little risk but also little reward. I've said enough about Bush so I'll just say I'm not high on him and move on. Any other backs worth mentioning are drafted in later rounds and not really worth discussing.I understand that Joseph Addai is being drafted as a stud and hasn't necessarily performed as such (though I wager he has we'll just have to agree to disagree on that) but Maroney has done less than Addai and is also considered a 1st round pick mainly because of surroundings and circumstance. If you're going to be fair then you have to consider Laurence Maroney going in the first round is also overpayment for someone who's an unproven player. He can't go higher than Addai. Not in my mind anyway.

 

[Family Matters]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

On the durface you are correct. But if you think about the destructive nature that comes when Moss is whinning then you begin to realize what's needed from him in order the help Maroney. The potential exists that he could have a negative impact rather than a positive one.With that said, the positive impact is what I feel will happen. But if in choosing between the two, I'll take Addai with far less risks.

 

[jurb26]

It is this group of players that Addai should be drafted with as well as Maroney. 5th overall is overpaying.

It probably is but by how much really? After LT, LJ, SJax, and Gore (aka the super-studs) who can you say definitively should go ahead of Joseph Addai? I'm higher on Willie Parker than most and would probably take him over Addai but I can see why others wouldn't. After that I honestly can't say that I see anybody else I'd rather have. Westbrook's always hurt and may have had a career year in 06. What's to say that he doesn't revert to how he played in the past. Speaking of past Shaun Alexander is a relic who's best days are behind him (maybe far behind him). Travis Henry's good but the Broncos aren't what they were. Rudi Johnson's offers little risk but also little reward. I've said enough about Bush so I'll just say I'm not high on him and move on. Any other backs worth mentioning are drafted in later rounds and not really worth discussing.I understand that Joseph Addai is being drafted as a stud and hasn't necessarily performed as such (though I wager he has we'll just have to agree to disagree on that) but Maroney has done less than Addai and is also considered a 1st round pick mainly because of surroundings and circumstance. If you're going to be fair then you have to consider Laurence Maroney going in the first round is also overpayment for someone who's an unproven player. He can't go higher than Addai. Not in my mind anyway.

I agree that 5th is a tough spot to pick from. If you are high on Addai, which clearly you are. Then take him there. Personally, I would feel more comfortable taking Addai and Maroney about the same spot. The end of round 1. This way I could take another RB at the turn with them and soften things. At 5, I think Parker and Rudi are better picks, but as you said Rudi does not really offer the "homerun" ability. Bush is a worse reach than Addai or Maroney at 5 IMO. I'm with you there. I'd actually take MJD before Bush too. I know a lot of people are very high on Henry. I would actually support taking him ahead of Addai.

 

[jurb26]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

On the durface you are correct. But if you think about the destructive nature that comes when Moss is whinning then you begin to realize what's needed from him in order the help Maroney. The potential exists that he could have a negative impact rather than a positive one.With that said, the positive impact is what I feel will happen. But if in choosing between the two, I'll take Addai with far less risks.

I don't think we will see Moss' negative side NE either. So maybe that is why I'm high on Maroney... actually I'm high on the whole freaking team. As a side note, I don't think BB or NE will allow Moss to disturb the team. They don't "need" him as I've said before. With or w/o Moss the NE WRs have been upgraded. They didn't break the bank for him. If he wants to pout he will probably just be cut. If Moss remembers anything ab out tough coaches from his FSU days, he should know that BB will be good on his word to let him go. Just like Bowden did years ago.

 

[Family Matters]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

On the durface you are correct. But if you think about the destructive nature that comes when Moss is whinning then you begin to realize what's needed from him in order the help Maroney. The potential exists that he could have a negative impact rather than a positive one.With that said, the positive impact is what I feel will happen. But if in choosing between the two, I'll take Addai with far less risks.

I don't think we will see Moss' negative side NE either. So maybe that is why I'm high on Maroney... actually I'm high on the whole freaking team. As a side note, I don't think BB or NE will allow Moss to disturb the team. They don't "need" him as I've said before. With or w/o Moss the NE WRs have been upgraded. They didn't break the bank for him. If he wants to pout he will probably just be cut. If Moss remembers anything ab out tough coaches from his FSU days, he should know that BB will be good on his word to let him go. Just like Bowden did years ago.

Uhm, you do realize Moss went to Marshall. Right? Here's a for you.

 

[jurb26]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

On the durface you are correct. But if you think about the destructive nature that comes when Moss is whinning then you begin to realize what's needed from him in order the help Maroney. The potential exists that he could have a negative impact rather than a positive one.With that said, the positive impact is what I feel will happen. But if in choosing between the two, I'll take Addai with far less risks.

I don't think we will see Moss' negative side NE either. So maybe that is why I'm high on Maroney... actually I'm high on the whole freaking team. As a side note, I don't think BB or NE will allow Moss to disturb the team. They don't "need" him as I've said before. With or w/o Moss the NE WRs have been upgraded. They didn't break the bank for him. If he wants to pout he will probably just be cut. If Moss remembers anything ab out tough coaches from his FSU days, he should know that BB will be good on his word to let him go. Just like Bowden did years ago.

Uhm, you do realize Moss went to Marshall. Right? Here's a for you.

Moss went to ND originally, was let go for a racially driven fight. Went to FSU and was told up front by Bowden who has a 3 strike policy for behavior that you entire this team with 2 strikes. I don't care what happened in the past if you screw up once you are off the team. Moss was forced to ride the bench his one year at FSU despite being the most gifted player Bowden had ever seen and the clear best player on the team. Him sitting that year was also part of his agreement to be allowed to come to FSU. He was a model teammate and took everything Bowden asked like a man for the season. He went home for that summer and got caught with weed. Bowden called him and cut him the next day. Moss transfered to Marshall. Here is a for you and a for the lesson.

This is all in Bowden's book, the Bowden Way.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

On the durface you are correct. But if you think about the destructive nature that comes when Moss is whinning then you begin to realize what's needed from him in order the help Maroney. The potential exists that he could have a negative impact rather than a positive one.With that said, the positive impact is what I feel will happen. But if in choosing between the two, I'll take Addai with far less risks.

I don't think we will see Moss' negative side NE either. So maybe that is why I'm high on Maroney... actually I'm high on the whole freaking team. As a side note, I don't think BB or NE will allow Moss to disturb the team. They don't "need" him as I've said before. With or w/o Moss the NE WRs have been upgraded. They didn't break the bank for him. If he wants to pout he will probably just be cut. If Moss remembers anything ab out tough coaches from his FSU days, he should know that BB will be good on his word to let him go. Just like Bowden did years ago.

Uhm, you do realize Moss went to Marshall. Right? Here's a for you.

Moss went to ND originally, was let go for a racially driven fight. Went to FSU and was told up front by Bowden who has a 3 strike policy for behavior that you entire this team with 2 strikes. I don't care what happened in the past if you screw up once you are off the team. Moss was forced to ride the bench his one year at FSU despite being the most gifted player Bowden had ever seen and the clear best player on the team. Him sitting that year was also part of his agreement to be allowed to come to FSU. He was a model teammate and took everything Bowden asked like a man for the season. He went home for that summer and got caught with weed. Bowden called him and cut him the next day. Moss transfered to Marshall. Here is a for you and a for the lesson.

This is all in Bowden's book, the Bowden Way.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I agree that Moss should make a positive impact on Maroney. That is if you trust Moss. He hasn't been trustworthy in a few years so I'm not overly optimistic that he can remain a positive influence on the Pats. Everything has to go perfect for him in order to succeed. But he should and if he does then I really like Maroney having some more open filed to run. But if I'm chosing between these two players then it really comes down to this:

Maroney needs Moss in order to have a chance at being a top 10 QB. He also needs to remain healthy and that's not a given considering he's been banged up since being in the NFL.

Addai only needs more touches which he will get. He's proven his performance and his health and he's not relying on some head case to help him. So I would give Addai the edge in choosing between these two.

This part is confusing. NE did not need Moss and had putrid WRs last year yet still amassed 1969/20 on the ground. They do not "need" Moss to run the ball. He is only an added bonus.The only thing Maroney needs to be top 10 is healthy (chalk that up for every player) and about half of what Dillon produced last year.

On the durface you are correct. But if you think about the destructive nature that comes when Moss is whinning then you begin to realize what's needed from him in order the help Maroney. The potential exists that he could have a negative impact rather than a positive one.With that said, the positive impact is what I feel will happen. But if in choosing between the two, I'll take Addai with far less risks.

I don't think we will see Moss' negative side NE either. So maybe that is why I'm high on Maroney... actually I'm high on the whole freaking team. As a side note, I don't think BB or NE will allow Moss to disturb the team. They don't "need" him as I've said before. With or w/o Moss the NE WRs have been upgraded. They didn't break the bank for him. If he wants to pout he will probably just be cut. If Moss remembers anything ab out tough coaches from his FSU days, he should know that BB will be good on his word to let him go. Just like Bowden did years ago.

Uhm, you do realize Moss went to Marshall. Right? Here's a for you.

Moss went to ND originally, was let go for a racially driven fight. Went to FSU and was told up front by Bowden who has a 3 strike policy for behavior that you entire this team with 2 strikes. I don't care what happened in the past if you screw up once you are off the team. Moss was forced to ride the bench his one year at FSU despite being the most gifted player Bowden had ever seen and the clear best player on the team. Him sitting that year was also part of his agreement to be allowed to come to FSU. He was a model teammate and took everything Bowden asked like a man for the season. He went home for that summer and got caught with weed. Bowden called him and cut him the next day. Moss transfered to Marshall. Here is a for you and a for the lesson.

This is all in Bowden's book, the Bowden Way.

 

[FFFIEND]

Addai is the man. I think he is going to be solid. I think Maroney was used too muvh in college and he doesn't have as many carries left in him.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Addai is the man. I think he is going to be solid. I think Maroney was used too muvh in college and he doesn't have as many carries left in him.

You realize Maroney and Marion Barber were teammates and Maroney split carries? Saying Maroney has been overused doesn't make any sense.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Addai stats in year 1, 16 regular season games:

1081 rushing yards

325 receiving yards

7 rushing TD

1 receiving TD

Adding in his postseason and saying he is a 1800/10 guy is very misleading, I see those numbers and go WOW, he's the guy I want real early. Now if you tell me he is a 1081/7 guy, that is a different story.

I don't think it's fair to add 25% more to his stats, the 4 postseason games.

Like somebody said earlier, when you add the 4 games, make it the 1800/10 Total rush/receive, it doesn't break down all that well, it breaks down to 90 total yards a game and .5 TDS.

Throwing around he's a 1800/10 back is heavily misleading.