Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
If AP stays in school and gets a fat insurance policy
on himself, it eliminates a lot of risk.
on himself, it eliminates a lot of risk.
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Adrian Peterson: In or Out of Draft? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Leinart kept our attention, but I don't recall how long he waited.Honestly, the owners of 1.03 should be the most nervous here. As much as I like AD and expect him to be the 1.01, Lynch isn't much worse, and Calvin Johnson might be the safest pick, with big time upside.ETA: AD's biggest incetive to come out might be in Arkansas. (AD might very well not be the #1 RB next year)
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guderian
Footballguy
This was discussed following Mcgahee's injury. The terms of these policies, as I understand it, typically cover 'career ending injuries". If the player subsequently plays in the NFL, then the policy is voided. If he has an injury that pushes him down to a second round pick, for instance, then he doesn't recover the money he lost from being a top 10 pick. I don't think there is an insurance policy out there that would guarantee him top 10 NFL money regardless of the circumstances of any injury.
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
It's going to take more than that to keep him in Norman...the boosters are checking their bank accounts as I type this....
on the money here OZ...the drought wit this years seniors, and the bumper crop with next years juniors, slaton, mcfadden, rice et al... now is the best spot for AD to go after the washingtons..
massraider
Footballguy
Financially speaking, a terrible idea for him not to come out.
massraider
Footballguy
ESPN is still expecting him to declare today.
Don't know if he's a dummy, or just taking his time declaring.
Don't know if he's a dummy, or just taking his time declaring.
soonerspace
Footballguy
He's in.
Peterson to Enter 2007 NFL Draft
Courtesy: SoonerSports.com
Release: 01/15/2007
Adrian Peterson
NORMAN, Okla. -- University of Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson announced today that he will forgo his final season of college eligibility and make himself available for the 2007 NFL Draft.
“The last few days have been stressful,” Peterson said while describing his decision-making process. “I’ve been pondering a lot of things and looking at it from all the different angles, weighing the good and the bad.
“In the end, I think I just realized that this is a business decision and that it is time for me to take that next step. It wasn’t easy. I haven’t been sleeping much. I just put it all in God’s hands”
Peterson said he had valuable input from several people.
“I got opinions from people I value like my dad and my mother,” he said. “Coach Stoops gave me a lot of information that I needed. He presented both sides.”
The lure of staying at Oklahoma was tied mainly to the relationships Peterson established with teammates, especially those in his recruiting class.
“I came in with all those guys and I think a lot about the relationships we’ve built and all the hard work we’ve put in together.”
Unrealized goals also were on Peterson’s mind.
“There were some things that we didn’t accomplish. I didn’t really do all of the things I set out to do. Those things, the guys and the love for college football were things I thought about.”
OU head coach Bob Stoops said he supported Peterson’s decision.
“I know this has been a trying time for him and he just needs to know that we support him whole-heartedly,” Stoops said.
“Adrian has been a great individual player and a great teammate. His leadership and work ethic sent a strong example, and he competed with everything he had. He has given us all a lot of great moments and has been fun to watch.
“Now, he feels it’s just time and we support that. We hope and believe that he’s going to be a high pick. We’re excited to watch him move on and we expect that he will have a great and long NFL career.”
Like Stoops, Peterson believes he can transition smoothly into professional football.
“Physically I feel like I am ready and the business aspect makes sense too,” he said. “There are a lot of people at Oklahoma I need to thank. I want to thank all of the people who supported me, including the fans. And I want to thanks the coaches, Coach Stoops and especially my position coach, Coach (Cale) Gundy.”
Peterson leaves Oklahoma as the third leading rusher in school history with 4,045 career yards. He eclipsed 1,000 yards in each of his three seasons in a Sooner uniform.
Some 29 Oklahoma players have been drafted since Stoops arrived prior to the 1999 season. Peterson is likely to extend an impressive streak that has seen at least one OU player go in t
Peterson to Enter 2007 NFL Draft
Courtesy: SoonerSports.com
Release: 01/15/2007
Adrian Peterson
NORMAN, Okla. -- University of Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson announced today that he will forgo his final season of college eligibility and make himself available for the 2007 NFL Draft.
“The last few days have been stressful,” Peterson said while describing his decision-making process. “I’ve been pondering a lot of things and looking at it from all the different angles, weighing the good and the bad.
“In the end, I think I just realized that this is a business decision and that it is time for me to take that next step. It wasn’t easy. I haven’t been sleeping much. I just put it all in God’s hands”
Peterson said he had valuable input from several people.
“I got opinions from people I value like my dad and my mother,” he said. “Coach Stoops gave me a lot of information that I needed. He presented both sides.”
The lure of staying at Oklahoma was tied mainly to the relationships Peterson established with teammates, especially those in his recruiting class.
“I came in with all those guys and I think a lot about the relationships we’ve built and all the hard work we’ve put in together.”
Unrealized goals also were on Peterson’s mind.
“There were some things that we didn’t accomplish. I didn’t really do all of the things I set out to do. Those things, the guys and the love for college football were things I thought about.”
OU head coach Bob Stoops said he supported Peterson’s decision.
“I know this has been a trying time for him and he just needs to know that we support him whole-heartedly,” Stoops said.
“Adrian has been a great individual player and a great teammate. His leadership and work ethic sent a strong example, and he competed with everything he had. He has given us all a lot of great moments and has been fun to watch.
“Now, he feels it’s just time and we support that. We hope and believe that he’s going to be a high pick. We’re excited to watch him move on and we expect that he will have a great and long NFL career.”
Like Stoops, Peterson believes he can transition smoothly into professional football.
“Physically I feel like I am ready and the business aspect makes sense too,” he said. “There are a lot of people at Oklahoma I need to thank. I want to thank all of the people who supported me, including the fans. And I want to thanks the coaches, Coach Stoops and especially my position coach, Coach (Cale) Gundy.”
Peterson leaves Oklahoma as the third leading rusher in school history with 4,045 career yards. He eclipsed 1,000 yards in each of his three seasons in a Sooner uniform.
Some 29 Oklahoma players have been drafted since Stoops arrived prior to the 1999 season. Peterson is likely to extend an impressive streak that has seen at least one OU player go in t
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He should start looking for a place to live in Cleveland, Houston, of Minneapolis.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Man, I was getting so nervous I thought I was gonna throw up. I really wanted him to come out this year. I traded away half my dynasty team (including Peyton) to make sure I got the 1.1 to pick Peterson. I can't imagine what I would have done if he stayed in school.
Rounders
Footballguy
No disrespect EBF, but I think that the 1.1 pick is APs to lose. I see Lynch as a great #2 and Johnson as an outstanding #3. A lot of this depends on teams needs and I highly doubt that teams picking in the first spot is stacked at RB enough to take Johnson, I just can't see it happening.To me the real race (if any) is between Lynch and Peterson. Just myEBF said:
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Financially speaking, yes, it makes sense. In terms of his legacy at OU, though, Peterson could/would have shattered most of the records left by Billy Sims; tried to win the Heisman and stayed to play/compete for a National Championship. If those things mattered, then I would understand why he would stay. Couple that with the injuries that stunted his performance over his sophmore and junior season and, speaking from a pride and drive perspective, the matter of coming back becomes complex. From time to time those things matter to a player and or athlete so it is not as easy as saying he has little to stay or play for, for example, especially if there is a strong bond with the coach, coaches and team mates. (I do not think people that are not from the Oklahoma and Texas area understand what Peterson's recruiting process was like; how good he really was coming out of high school and what a MASSIVE win that was for OU. Stoops plucked the best player to come out of the state of Texas in a LONG time right from under Brown's nose. Peterson's resume is not as good as it could have been and there is some proverbial unfinished business with him leaving early.) That decision is not necessarily as easy as it might seem and it is even a little more difficult for such a young man. Conversely, it was a fairly well known fact he, Peterson, was done after this season. However, I am pretty sure guys like P. Manning and Leinart...sure Top 10 picks electing to stay for their senior season...are the exception. Heck, kids like that are anomalies.Peterson is going to be very good on Sundays...very good.EBF said:
off topic but did you get accused of tanking?I did but it was ruled I wasnt: here is the link: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=279423&hl=
to where I chronicle my rebuild
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Could you post the full details of this trade please?I would like to add that to the information in the rookie hype thread.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Good write up Who, but what if AD get drafted by Oak? I mean..........what if? I know this is a BIG what if, but would you still feel the same?
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I consider it somewhat unlikely but Childress has proven his commitment to running the ball. Chester Taylor is a decent Rb but he is not a star like Peterson could be. I would not rule out the possibility of the Vikings drafting Peterson if he is available. Although I do consider it unlikely.ETA- this might really be a disapointment for people so high on Peterson seeing him drafted into a RBBC type situation.Andy Dufresne said:
Peterson>Taylor
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Why do people abbreviate his name as AD? It's Adrian Peterson, not Adrian Deterson. :whoosh:
JayMan
Footballguy
All Day...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I too find it highly unlikely. But for a team woefully, and I mean WOEFULLY, devoid of star power, he'd be a welcome edition to a team looking to sell jerseys*, and more importantly a STADIUM!*This year, the jersey options were Brad Johnson, Mewelde Moore, Chet Taylor, Fred Smoot, Troy Williamson, Chad Greenway, and Antoine Winfield.I consider it somewhat unlikely but Childress has proven his commitment to running the ball. Chester Taylor is a decent Rb but he is not a star like Peterson could be. I would not rule out the possibility of the Vikings drafting Peterson if he is available. Although I do consider it unlikely.Andy Dufresne said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ohhhh.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Some sort of nickname. I forget what it stands for at the moment.All Day?
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
JayMan don't bother, it seems that it's impossible for anyone to have a nick name.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yes I feel pretty strongly that the Vikings should draft a skill position player with the 7th overall pick.So they will probobly draft a DE or somthing.I too find it highly unlikely. But for a team woefully, and I mean WOEFULLY, devoid of star power, he'd be a welcome edition to a team looking to sell jerseys*, and more importantly a STADIUM!*This year, the jersey options were Brad Johnson, Mewelde Moore, Chet Taylor, Fred Smoot, Troy Williamson, Chad Greenway, and Antoine Winfield.I consider it somewhat unlikely but Childress has proven his commitment to running the ball. Chester Taylor is a decent Rb but he is not a star like Peterson could be. I would not rule out the possibility of the Vikings drafting Peterson if he is available. Although I do consider it unlikely.Andy Dufresne said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
JayMan don't bother, it seems that it's impossible for anyone to have a nick name.
EBF
Footballguy
I think it depends on format. I have 1.01 in a 12 team PPR that starts 1 RB, 1 WR, and 3 FLEX. In this kind of league, it's a very tough decision for a variety of reasons. I think Johnson is a better player than Peterson. In PPR, top WRs often outscore all but the best RBs. I think Lynch has a better build and is a better receiver than Peterson. Lynch also seems more likely to end up on a better team (because he'll probably be drafted later). These kind of things complicate matters. I like Peterson's talent, but he doesn't fit the mold of an elite PPR RB. He lacks the ideal squatty RB build (5'9"-5'11" and 205-220 pounds). He didn't catch many passes in college. He could just be another Jamal Lewis. Even in his 2,000 yard season, Lewis wasn't the best PPR RB. Rudi Johnson is another example of a good NFL RB who doesn't have great FF value due in part to his limited receiving numbers. Maybe Peterson is more similar to Steven Jackson and Larry Johnson. He certainly has much better big play capabilities than Rudi Johnson and Jamal Lewis. But will he end up on a talented offense like the Rams or Chiefs? What if he ends up on the Browns or Raiders? A bad situation can cripple a RB's TD production. That would be a fatal blow for a RB who doesn't catch many passes. Lynch doesn't have the burst of speed that Peterson has, but he seems a little bit shiftier and quicker laterally. He much more closely resembles the top RBs in the league in terms of build and style. He doesn't really have the elite burst that you hope for, but if he goes to a team like the Jets or Giants then he could be an immediate FF star. I like Peterson and I fully expect him to go 1.01 in most leagues based on name recognition and the fact that he is actually a very good prospect. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be the best player from this group. I'm reminded of 1999. Going into the draft, Ricky Williams was the hyped name and the guy who everyone expected to be a star. Edgerrin James ended up getting drafted higher and having the better career. Torry Holt also ended up becoming a superstar and a more valuable dynasty player than Williams. Don't get hung up on me comparing Adrian Peterson to Ricky Williams. Obviously Peterson doesn't appear to have any of the mental issues that have hampered Ricky's career. However, I still think the 1999 class is useful as an example of how players can surprise us and how situation can dramatically alter a player's value. Peterson is a great talent. He might even be good enough to overcome a weak supporting cast. But if you're sitting at 1.01, you'd better do your homework because you're probably going to have to live with the consequences of your pick for years. I don't think Peterson at 1.01 is a slam dunk at this point. That's all I'm saying.No disrespect EBF, but I think that the 1.1 pick is APs to lose. I see Lynch as a great #2 and Johnson as an outstanding #3. A lot of this depends on teams needs and I highly doubt that teams picking in the first spot is stacked at RB enough to take Johnson, I just can't see it happening.To me the real race (if any) is between Lynch and Peterson. Just myEBF said:
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I wouldn't be opposed to a DE. It would make for a better football team, but wouldn't be as much fun.Yes I feel pretty strongly that the Vikings should draft a skill position player with the 7th overall pick.So they will probobly draft a DE or somthing.
I do not disagree with his decision. It was/is time. For personal reasons I wish he would have stayed in school but this was pretty much a gimmie. He was coming out. I was just stating that making that decision and foregoing that final year of eligibility is not so simple. In this case it is fairly complex, as Peterson was Stoops first, big WOW signing. Someone like Peterson would have plenty to play for if he had stayed at OU for this upcoming year and he still would have been one of the best athletes entering the draft next year. I do not see him going first overall. That type of talent is there but the nagging injuries and the fact Oakland is looking at 2 potential franchise QB in Russell and Quinn tell me Peterson will fall a little bit. Not a chance he slips past Houston.
see and i thought you were going to say they were gonna turn him into a DEChet Taylor was solid but unspectacular. I believe a guy with Peterson's breakaway speed would have posted monster numbers, not just solid ones.Andy Dufresne said:
Kleck.
Footballguy
I think it depends a lot on format. I have 1.01 in a 12 team PPR that starts 1 RB, 1 WR, and 3 FLEX. In this kind of league, it's a very tough decision for a variety of reasons. I think Johnson is a better player than Peterson. In PPR, top WRs often outscore all but the best RBs. I think Lynch has a better build and is a better receiver than Peterson. Lynch also seems more likely to end up on a better team (because he'll probably be drafted later). These kind of things complicate matters. I like Peterson's talent, but he doesn't fit the mold of an elite PPR RB. He lacks the ideal squatty RB build (5'9"-5'11" and 205-220 pounds). He didn't catch many passes in college. He could just be another Jamal Lewis. Even in his 2,000 yard season, Lewis wasn't the best PPR RB. Rudi Johnson is another example of a good NFL RB who doesn't have great FF value due in part to his limited receiving numbers. Maybe Peterson is more similar to Steven Jackson and Larry Johnson. He certainly has much better big play capabilities than Rudi Johnson and Jamal Lewis. But will he end up on a talented offense like the Rams or Chiefs? What if he ends up on the Browns or Raiders? A bad situation can cripple a RB's TD production. That would be a fatal blow for a RB who doesn't catch many passes. Lynch doesn't have the burst of speed that Peterson has, but he seems a little bit shiftier and quicker laterally. He much more closely resembles the top RBs in the league in terms of build and style. He doesn't really have the elite burst that you hope for, but if he goes to a team like the Jets or Giants then he could be an immediate FF star. I like Peterson and I fully expect him to go 1.01 in most leagues based on name recognition and the fact that he is actually a very good prospect. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be the best player from this group. I'm reminded of 1999. Going into the draft, Ricky Williams was the hyped name and the guy who everyone expected to be a star. Edgerrin James ended up getting drafted higher and having the better career. Torry Holt also ended up becoming a superstar and a more valuable dynasty player than Williams. Don't get hung up on me comparing Adrian Peterson to Ricky Williams. Obviously Peterson doesn't appear to have any of the mental issues that have hampered Ricky's career. However, I still think the 1999 class is useful as an example of how players can surprise us and how situation can dramatically alter a player's value. Peterson is a great talent. He might even good enough to overcome a weak supporting cast. But if you're sitting at 1.01, you'd better do your homework because you're probably going to have to live with the consequences of your pick for years. I don't think Peterson at 1.01 is a slam dunk at this point. That's all I'm saying.No disrespect EBF, but I think that the 1.1 pick is APs to lose. I see Lynch as a great #2 and Johnson as an outstanding #3. A lot of this depends on teams needs and I highly doubt that teams picking in the first spot is stacked at RB enough to take Johnson, I just can't see it happening.To me the real race (if any) is between Lynch and Peterson. Just myEBF said:
I'd listen to any argument for AP, Lynch or Calvin at 1.01. It's no slam dunk IMO either, and based on scoring system/rules/dynasty needs, any one of the these three could make sense right now.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
It was actually a long list of trades. The rules in my league are that you always have to start the best team possible. But if you trade away these "studs" then you can't start them so you can't be accused of tanking. I always put in the best lineup that I could but it was bad enough to lose every game. I started off the season with both Manning brothers so I felt that it was OK to trade one of them. I felt that it was better to trade Peyton because I could get more from him and it would help me more on my quest for the 1.1. My RB's were not that solid and a bit older so I got what I thought was good value for them. I had Dom Davis, A.Green, F. Taylor and DeAngelo Williams as my top RB's. Once Davis went down it made my decision all that much easier to decide to rebuild. I traded F.Taylor for a 1st rounder (turned out to be 7th overall). Then there was this the big trade witch kinda got it all set up:
Manning, Peyton IND QB
Sorgi, Jim IND QB Brown, Ronnie MIA RB
Green, Ahman GBP RB FOR: 2007 1st Round (ended up 3rd overall)
Harrison, Jerome CLE RB
Moulds, Eric HOU WR
The next step was trading DeAngelo Williams for Larry Fitzgerald and the 4.3, 5.3 and 6.3 (same guy from the Peyton trade). My WR's were very weak at the time so I thought it was very good trade to get Fitz. So now on the offensive side of things my team now looks like this (just main players):
QB's
Eli Manning
Jason Campbell
Tarvaris Jackson
RB's
Ronnie Brown
Dom Williams????
WR's
Larry Fitzgerald
Lee Evans
Dion Branch
Bernard Berrian
Santonio Holmes
Matt Jones
Reche Caldwell
I also have the following rookie draft picks: 1.1, 1.3, 1.7, 1.9, 2.1, 2.2, 2.7, 3.1, 3.6, 4.1, 4.3, 5.1, 5.3, 6.1 and 6.3
I know my RB's are horribly weak but I'll have A.D. and mabe be able to pull out another starter with one of the other picks. As far as the 1.3 is concerned I know I have some WR's but I'll be glad to jump all over Calvin Johnson. With Fitz and Calvin I'll have two of the best young WR's in the game (I think Calvin could be better than Fitz) and you don't pass that up! But if the guy with the 1.2 decides to take Calvin then I guess I'll get my 3rd RB. Either way I'm very happy with the way my rebuilding has gone.
I know I hijacked the helk out of this thread but feel free to tell me I'm an idiot to make those trade or are brilliant. And please accept my apologies for hijacking.
Rounders
Footballguy
EBF you make great points and I agree with you the league's makeup is a big factor for your selection at 1.01.
I know for one, based on my team, I know that I need a RB. I have some strong depth at WR (Holt, DJackson, Stallworth, M.Clayon-Bal) and we only need to start 2. My RBs are weak because I'm losing LT and Portis to free agency, so needless to say RB is my focus.
You bring up a great point about PPR in a RB. I beleive that AP is a special talent and I think that he has a great career ahead of him. I'm not discounted Lynch, but I think that AP is better.
I will be doing my homework on both players, but if you held a gun to my head today I say that AP is the better RB over Lynch.
I know for one, based on my team, I know that I need a RB. I have some strong depth at WR (Holt, DJackson, Stallworth, M.Clayon-Bal) and we only need to start 2. My RBs are weak because I'm losing LT and Portis to free agency, so needless to say RB is my focus.
You bring up a great point about PPR in a RB. I beleive that AP is a special talent and I think that he has a great career ahead of him. I'm not discounted Lynch, but I think that AP is better.
I will be doing my homework on both players, but if you held a gun to my head today I say that AP is the better RB over Lynch.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Okay I understand now. Trades were made with the thinking towards a rebuild not a direct trade for the 1st pick overall. Your ideas behind this are welcome in this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=296123&hl=Keg has chronicled his rebuild there as well.
Because trades were made prior to knowing the draft position results that makes them somewhat ineffective for the rookie hype (what people are trading for top 3 picks) thread.
Sorry about the hijack also. This thread is about Peterson declaring for the draft and what if he would have stayed in school. Well he declared for the draft and will likely be the 1st RB picked. By which team? I am not sure. Most people seem to value him more than Lynch for fantasy. I could see scenarios where Lynch might up being the better fantasy Rb however depending on where they end up.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
no worries, i used to wonder the same thing.Ohhhh.All Day...Why do people abbreviate his name as AD? It's Adrian Peterson, not Adrian Deterson.
EBF
Footballguy
I would probably agree with you.
