He's receiving checks for abiding by the contract he signed. Vikings could have cut him.This guy is still receiving game checks for doing nothing, right?
He's receiving checks for abiding by the contract he signed. Vikings could have cut him.This guy is still receiving game checks for doing nothing, right?
The Minnesota Vikings took advantage of a rarely-used NFL protocol Wednesday, placing Adrian Peterson on the exempt/commissioner's permission list while the running back goes through the legal process after being indicted for child abuse last week. The list, used to allow players who are dealing with significant off-field situations, will allow the Vikings to remove Peterson from their 53-man roster.
Peterson will be barred from all team activities in the meantime, which sounds like a suspension except that Peterson will be paid during his leave. The decision whether to pay the player falls on the team. Players placed on the exempt list can be held with or without pay at the team's discretion.
Players must consent before being placed on the list, allowing the NFL Players Association to call Peterson's placement a "voluntary leave with pay."
As the name of the list suggests, players can only be placed on the exempt/commissioner's permission list with clearance from Roger Goodell. From the NFL Player Personnel Policy Manual:
As the policy states, players are also removed from the list at the commissioner's discretion. In Peterson's case, he is expected to remain on the list until a resolution has been reached in his child abuse case.The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player's time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.
The exempt list allows teams to get around the maximum four-game suspension or deactivation allowed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement for conduct detrimental to the team. In Peterson's case, legal proceedings are expected to extend past the next month.
Notably, Carolina Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy may also soon join Peterson on the exempt list. Hardy was convicted in July of assaulting and threatening an ex-girlfriend, but has appealed the decision. As the Vikings did with Peterson, the Panthers decided not to suspend Hardy as he goes through due process. The exempt list, again, would allow the team to get around the four-game maximum penalty for detrimental conduct.
The exempt/commissioner's permission list was used perhaps most notably in the past on Michael Vick when the quarterback finished serving his jail sentence and suspension in 2009 for his participation in a dogfighting ring. The list has been used in less dubious circumstances, however. For example, Jeff Demps was placed on the list in 2013 while the Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back was trying to make the U.S. Olympic track team.
Information requests, meetings with designated experts (as in plural), then expert recommendations being created and provided to Goodell, opportunity to meet with Goodell. Sounds like a contrived process to ensure sufficient delay to me....NFL will now review Peterson for potential discipline Posted by: Matt Vensel Updated November 6th at 2:49pm 281822891
The Vikings are waiting for the NFL to make a decision regarding Adrian Peterson’s future before deciding whether to welcome him back to the team. It appears that decision could take a while.
The NFL advised the Vikings running back this afternoon that he will be reviewed for potential discipline under the NFL’s personal conduct policy after he entered into a plea agreement in Texas, avoiding jail time by pleading no contest to a misdemeanor for recklessly injuring his 4-year-old son.
The league has requested that Peterson “submit relevant information regarding his case and meet with designated experts who will make recommendations for the Commissioner’s consideration,” according to a league spokesman. Peterson will also have the opportunity to have a hearing with the NFL — presumably with commissioner Roger Goodell — before any discipline is handed down.
In the meantime, Peterson will remain on the commissioner’s exempt list, keeping his status for the Week 11 game against the Bears — and potentially the rest of the 2014 season — in doubt.
Peterson hasn’t played since Week 1. He still gets paid by the Vikings while on the exempt list.
What news??Latest news makes me think he doesn't play this year.
That the Commish is delaying any action until they review the case.. And of course that review is under their own timelines so it could be complete next week, or next year..What news??Latest news makes me think he doesn't play this year.
NFL advised Adrian Peterson this afternoon that following his plea agreement to resolve his criminal case in Texas his matter will now be reviewed for potential discipline under the NFL’s Personal Conduct Policy. As part of the process, the NFL has requested that Peterson submit relevant information regarding his case and meet with designated experts who will make recommendations for the Commissioner’s consideration. Peterson also will have the opportunity to have a hearing prior to the issuance of any discipline.
Pending completion of the process, Peterson's status on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt list will remain unchanged.
That's not the article. There's good stuff in that article.Information requests, meetings with designated experts (as in plural), then expert recommendations being created and provided to Goodell, opportunity to meet with Goodell. Sounds like a contrived process to ensure sufficient delay to me....NFL will now review Peterson for potential discipline Posted by: Matt Vensel Updated November 6th at 2:49pm 281822891
The Vikings are waiting for the NFL to make a decision regarding Adrian Peterson’s future before deciding whether to welcome him back to the team. It appears that decision could take a while.
The NFL advised the Vikings running back this afternoon that he will be reviewed for potential discipline under the NFL’s personal conduct policy after he entered into a plea agreement in Texas, avoiding jail time by pleading no contest to a misdemeanor for recklessly injuring his 4-year-old son.
The league has requested that Peterson “submit relevant information regarding his case and meet with designated experts who will make recommendations for the Commissioner’s consideration,” according to a league spokesman. Peterson will also have the opportunity to have a hearing with the NFL — presumably with commissioner Roger Goodell — before any discipline is handed down.
In the meantime, Peterson will remain on the commissioner’s exempt list, keeping his status for the Week 11 game against the Bears — and potentially the rest of the 2014 season — in doubt.
Peterson hasn’t played since Week 1. He still gets paid by the Vikings while on the exempt list.
There is also this:One likely scenario for Goodell would be to suspend Peterson retroactively for the eight games he has missed and then fine the running back an amount equal to the salary he earned during that time, said Michael McCann, the founding director of the New Hampshire-based Sports and Entertainment Law Institute.
While the move would cost Peterson millions in lost salary, McCann said, it would get the running back on the field quickly and allow Goodell to wash his hands of the matter while also appearing to take a tough stance.
“That’s a long suspension for a misdemeanor,” McCann said, adding that Peterson could balk at the deal. But with the other player discipline problems Goodell is facing, McCann added, the NFL commissioner would avoid having to “fight another player on a penalty.”
McCann said such an agreement could happen quickly, and even allow Peterson to play in the Vikings’ next game.
“There’s a good chance of that happening,” he said.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/281670551.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continueAccording to Richard Roth of the Roth Law Firm in New York, the NFL still could choose to punish Peterson even though he has pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor and already sat out eight games while his legal process played out. Roth, who has represented NFL players in matters of litigation and league discipline, said Goodell could opt to suspend Peterson additional games or impose a substantial fine.
“The NFL has had occasion to actually punish football players for having misdemeanors,” Roth said. “The problem is multiple. For one, this is a very hot issue. You’ve got the Ray Rice thing and everything coming down on the NFL, so they’ve got to figure out what the heck to do about that. And number two, this isn’t just a misdemeanor. He hit his kid pretty hard. So it’s not just like walking into a store and stealing a bottle of mouthwash. It’s not an easy situation that Goodell is in.”
The purpose of the domestic violence policy was to discourage players from hitting women. Goodell would have a difficult time proving that he meant it to apply to misdemeanor reckless discipline of children. Suspending him six more games would end Goodell in court defending himself.Really a recap of the positions taken here. However I still think it behooves the NFL to maintain a distinction between Rice - whom the NFL claims personally lied to Goodell - and Peterson who has done everything in the process properly. I also think that domestic violence policy is paper thin with regards to this case, and I also believe Rog and the owners would very much like to keep him from testifying again. Anything that results in AP suing Rog and the NFL is not happening IMO.
I don't buy that line of thinking. The intent of the policy was to address an area woefully lacking; violence initiated by players and deterring such acts. Its academic that it was violence against a child vs. a woman. That would be like the NFL instituting a specific policy on rape and then trying to argue that it was intended for women and not children. It still carries.The purpose of the domestic violence policy was to discourage players from hitting women. Goodell would have a difficult time proving that he meant it to apply to misdemeanor reckless discipline of children. Suspending him six more games would end Goodell in court defending himself.Really a recap of the positions taken here. However I still think it behooves the NFL to maintain a distinction between Rice - whom the NFL claims personally lied to Goodell - and Peterson who has done everything in the process properly. I also think that domestic violence policy is paper thin with regards to this case, and I also believe Rog and the owners would very much like to keep him from testifying again. Anything that results in AP suing Rog and the NFL is not happening IMO.
So now it's A.P. legal team vs the NFL, it take them weeks to resolve this, and since he's being paid no loss to him. He may not get suspended, but I guess we don't see him on the field before week 15, as the process plays out. Bad break to those who rushed out and picked him up for a week 11 startI don't buy that line of thinking. The intent of the policy was to address an area woefully lacking; violence initiated by players and deterring such acts. Its academic that it was violence against a child vs. a woman. That would be like the NFL instituting a specific policy on rape and then trying to argue that it was intended for women and not children. It still carries.The purpose of the domestic violence policy was to discourage players from hitting women. Goodell would have a difficult time proving that he meant it to apply to misdemeanor reckless discipline of children. Suspending him six more games would end Goodell in court defending himself.Really a recap of the positions taken here. However I still think it behooves the NFL to maintain a distinction between Rice - whom the NFL claims personally lied to Goodell - and Peterson who has done everything in the process properly. I also think that domestic violence policy is paper thin with regards to this case, and I also believe Rog and the owners would very much like to keep him from testifying again. Anything that results in AP suing Rog and the NFL is not happening IMO.
Just my opinion but what I said yesterday seems to be more and more the case to me-he was not suspended before and now he still has to satisfy that aspect of this, not buy his way out and serve one side (the money side). He was on paid leave, essentially. Now comes the "ok, we waited for the legal part to play out, where does that leave us in interpreting if he broke an NFL policy and, if so, what is the punishment."
The part Peterson has nowhere to hang his hat on is he hasn't been harmed. He can't say "I need to play because that is how I earn money". He is getting his money. Which, now, looks genius from the team and NFL standpoint because had they suspended him, awaiting outcome, he could say "I already served suspension time". He didn't If the team didn't pay him, he could argue hardship. But he can't. If ANYTHING, the NFL is doing him a favor....full pay with no injury risk. THey are HELPING him extend his career.
This thing can drag as long as is practical.
He was put on the exemption list pending the outcome of the trial, don't think they can (or want to) drag this out for weeks. Either suspend him 6 games or reinstate him.So now it's A.P. legal team vs the NFL, it take them weeks to resolve this, and since he's being paid no loss to him. He may not get suspended, but I guess we don't see him on the field before week 15, as the process plays out. Bad break to those who rushed out and picked him up for a week 11 start
They were quick to act to put him on the list so why can't they be just as quick to reinstate him.He was put on the exemption list pending the outcome of the trial, don't think they can (or want to) drag this out for weeks. Either suspend him 6 games or reinstate him.So now it's A.P. legal team vs the NFL, it take them weeks to resolve this, and since he's being paid no loss to him. He may not get suspended, but I guess we don't see him on the field before week 15, as the process plays out. Bad break to those who rushed out and picked him up for a week 11 start
There's a difference between can't and won't.They were quick to act to put him on the list so why can't they be just as quick to reinstate him.He was put on the exemption list pending the outcome of the trial, don't think they can (or want to) drag this out for weeks. Either suspend him 6 games or reinstate him.So now it's A.P. legal team vs the NFL, it take them weeks to resolve this, and since he's being paid no loss to him. He may not get suspended, but I guess we don't see him on the field before week 15, as the process plays out. Bad break to those who rushed out and picked him up for a week 11 start
Yeah, absolutely no debates about relWhy?"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Roman 8:28
That's not a good sign for sponsor's approval. Not looking good with Nike dropping him.Dropped by Nike today, according to Darren Rovell.
Nope just everyone giving their opinions on what will happen. I just come to this thread for facts and skim through all the trash tier opinions.So it's all over?!
Because there's one in every crowd.Why?"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Roman 8:28
Rotoworld "analysis"NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Adrian Peterson's paid leave is "not considered discipline" by the NFL, and that a suspension "looms."
We're actually not so sure about this, as there's been chatter Peterson could reach a settlement with the NFL where he gains credit for time served and pays a fine, thereby making his previous suspension paid. Either way, Rapsheet reports it "could be weeks" before the matter is resolved. We'd guess Peterson plays football again this season, but it's unclear when.
That's different than the Vikes' sponsors. Radisson was the one that got the Vikes' attention in September.That's not a good sign for sponsor's approval. Not looking good with Nike dropping him.Dropped by Nike today, according to Darren Rovell.
This is the actual report:Rotoworld "quote"
Rotoworld "analysis"NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Adrian Peterson's paid leave is "not considered discipline" by the NFL, and that a suspension "looms."
We're actually not so sure about this, as there's been chatter Peterson could reach a settlement with the NFL where he gains credit for time served and pays a fine, thereby making his previous suspension paid. Either way, Rapsheet reports it "could be weeks" before the matter is resolved. We'd guess Peterson plays football again this season, but it's unclear when.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000423866/article/nfl-reviewing-adrian-peterson-caseRapoport spoke with a league source who said it could take anywhere from days to weeks to resolve Peterson's case depending on how fast he provides information.
The conditions are the requests for information the NFL has issued to AP. - So again pretty much nothing more than what's been said here. Could be days. Could be weeks.this will take days, maybe weeks, depending on how quickly Adrian Peterson adheres to these conditions.
Hopefully it's in the Free For All.where's the thread to go to to if i want to debate about child rea
He was put on the exemption list because he was charged with a felony that could drag into next year and land him in prison like Vick.If the new rule of 6 games applies to this case, I don't understand how they can force him to an exempt list for longer than that in the first place. Why wasn't he just suspended six games to begin with? Isn't that one point of the standard for rules, so there's not all this speculation about oh what's Goodell going to do?
Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
Why haven't they cut him then? The pictures were released. The Ravens immediately cut ties with Ray Rice and the same went with Aaron Hernandez back with NE. Do you think they are simply trying to trade him next year? Otherwise, why would they continue to pay him when they could have cut him already.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
From the Ray Rice story. Maybe they do intersect here. If this judge rules for RR then how does the NFL continue to add on extra games for AP?Rice and the NFL Players Association contend the league's indefinite suspension constitutes an enhanced punishment for the same violation and thus violates labor law.
Nike's concerned about the reaction of the customers now that Peterson struck a plea deal instead of being found not guilty.Dropped by Nike today, according to Darren Rovell.
Don't forget the fans, many of them want him back on the field also. Unfortunately, none of these have any say in it.The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
The sportswriter does make a strong argument. It's Peterson's first offense, I dont' see how they can essentially suspend him an entire season without getting sued.Don't forget the fans, many of them want him back on the field also. Unfortunately, none of these have any say in it.The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
The ones who will be deciding are the ones who are fielding calls from sponsors, and having to step into the spotlight explaining the decision. Those same people who were humiliated publically for reinstating Peterson in September. I just don't see the Wilf Bros or Spielman, who uttered the words "we want to get it right" roughly 6 dozen times while publically apologizing after the Radisson backlash, risking any new backlash. Not to get one or two wins more in Petersons last year with the Vikings. Not when they are next in line for turdish local sportswriters composing articles like this. I could be wrong. Hell, I hope I'm wrong.
What the players want is not all that important.The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
Probably because he hasn't been suspended so far. He's made millions doing nothing. You think he's going to sue??The sportswriter does make a strong argument. It's Peterson's first offense, I dont' see how they can essentially suspend him an entire season without getting sued.Don't forget the fans, many of them want him back on the field also. Unfortunately, none of these have any say in it.The ones who will be deciding are the ones who are fielding calls from sponsors, and having to step into the spotlight explaining the decision. Those same people who were humiliated publically for reinstating Peterson in September. I just don't see the Wilf Bros or Spielman, who uttered the words "we want to get it right" roughly 6 dozen times while publically apologizing after the Radisson backlash, risking any new backlash. Not to get one or two wins more in Petersons last year with the Vikings. Not when they are next in line for turdish local sportswriters composing articles like this. I could be wrong. Hell, I hope I'm wrong.The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
Uh yeah, the NFLPA will sue. Being forced from the team for 7 or whatever it is games sure sounds like a suspension to me. Suspension: a temporary debarment, as from position, privilege, etc.Probably because he hasn't been suspended so far. He's made millions doing nothing. You think he's going to sue??The sportswriter does make a strong argument. It's Peterson's first offense, I dont' see how they can essentially suspend him an entire season without getting sued.Don't forget the fans, many of them want him back on the field also. Unfortunately, none of these have any say in it.The ones who will be deciding are the ones who are fielding calls from sponsors, and having to step into the spotlight explaining the decision. Those same people who were humiliated publically for reinstating Peterson in September. I just don't see the Wilf Bros or Spielman, who uttered the words "we want to get it right" roughly 6 dozen times while publically apologizing after the Radisson backlash, risking any new backlash. Not to get one or two wins more in Petersons last year with the Vikings. Not when they are next in line for turdish local sportswriters composing articles like this. I could be wrong. Hell, I hope I'm wrong.The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
Winning cures all in pro sports. If the vikings finish 10-6 and make he playoffs, no one cares. And those that do are marginalized. Not saying it's right or wrong. It just is what it is. Its happened before. It will happen again.Don't forget the fans, many of them want him back on the field also. Unfortunately, none of these have any say in it.The ones who will be deciding are the ones who are fielding calls from sponsors, and having to step into the spotlight explaining the decision. Those same people who were humiliated publically for reinstating Peterson in September. I just don't see the Wilf Bros or Spielman, who uttered the words "we want to get it right" roughly 6 dozen times while publically apologizing after the Radisson backlash, risking any new backlash. Not to get one or two wins more in Petersons last year with the Vikings. Not when they are next in line for turdish local sportswriters composing articles like this. I could be wrong. Hell, I hope I'm wrong.The Vikings' coaches and players want him on the field, I can guarantee you that.Respectfully disagree with this opinion. I don't think the Vikes want anything whatsoever to do with this situation, and would do cartwheels down the hallway if they don't need to do a thing until the offseason.Let's be honest. Vikings at 4-5 want him back yesterday. So they can say all the right things to the public but they want him back.
ryno1980 said:Being forced from the team for 7 or whatever it is games sure sounds like a suspension to me.
Ignoratio Elenchi said:Some useful information on the exempt list:
The Minnesota Vikings took advantage of a rarely-used NFL protocol Wednesday, placing Adrian Peterson on the exempt/commissioner's permission list while the running back goes through the legal process after being indicted for child abuse last week. The list, used to allow players who are dealing with significant off-field situations, will allow the Vikings to remove Peterson from their 53-man roster.
Peterson will be barred from all team activities in the meantime, which sounds like a suspension except that Peterson will be paid during his leave. The decision whether to pay the player falls on the team. Players placed on the exempt list can be held with or without pay at the team's discretion.
Players must consent before being placed on the list, allowing the NFL Players Association to call Peterson's placement a "voluntary leave with pay."
As the name of the list suggests, players can only be placed on the exempt/commissioner's permission list with clearance from Roger Goodell. From the NFL Player Personnel Policy Manual:
As the policy states, players are also removed from the list at the commissioner's discretion. In Peterson's case, he is expected to remain on the list until a resolution has been reached in his child abuse case.The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player's time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.
The exempt list allows teams to get around the maximum four-game suspension or deactivation allowed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement for conduct detrimental to the team. In Peterson's case, legal proceedings are expected to extend past the next month.
Notably, Carolina Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy may also soon join Peterson on the exempt list. Hardy was convicted in July of assaulting and threatening an ex-girlfriend, but has appealed the decision. As the Vikings did with Peterson, the Panthers decided not to suspend Hardy as he goes through due process. The exempt list, again, would allow the team to get around the four-game maximum penalty for detrimental conduct.
The exempt/commissioner's permission list was used perhaps most notably in the past on Michael Vick when the quarterback finished serving his jail sentence and suspension in 2009 for his participation in a dogfighting ring. The list has been used in less dubious circumstances, however. For example, Jeff Demps was placed on the list in 2013 while the Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back was trying to make the U.S. Olympic track team.