Plus eve at his peak he cought what, 40 receptions at a 5.x per catch clip? He’s never been a great receiver.Back on topic: I'm a huge fan of AP but in PPR he is going to be TD dependant IMO. He won't catch a lot of passes w/ C. Thompson around, thus you are looking at 5 to 9 pts per week(50-90 yrds rushing) a lot of weeks. how many I don't know, maybe 1/2 of the first 14 weeks if he stays healthy . I like AP maybe in the 9th or 10th rd. of a 12 team PPR redraft. Sound reasonable or am I reaching too late?
9/10 is a huge reach IMO. Need to see something first. He has been awful for years now.Back on topic: I'm a huge fan of AP but in PPR he is going to be TD dependant IMO. He won't catch a lot of passes w/ C. Thompson around, thus you are looking at 5 to 9 pts per week(50-90 yrds rushing) a lot of weeks. how many I don't know, maybe 1/2 of the first 14 weeks if he stays healthy . I like AP maybe in the 9th or 10th rd. of a 12 team PPR redraft. Sound reasonable or am I reaching too late?
Bs Arizona line is one of the worst ..no way bad qb ,bad line ..horrid compared to the Washington team ..better qb great line and hungryHe had as much opportunity last year in Arizona, on arguably a better offensive team. I see no reason to be excited this year. If he still had IT, why won't teams hold on to him?
Understandable but by those rounds, so much is draft and team specific.9/10 is a huge reach IMO. Need to see something first. He has been awful for years now.
Seems like a postitve to me. I hope people keep firing up my boy. Peterson is a steal in the 10th and doubters will be awfully quiet here real soon.https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-peterson-calls-cris-carter-shannon-sharpe-criticism-dare-152430858.html
For the record, this is the vid of what Sharpe said in its entirety.
This dude is a clown. How can AP be this delusional? Nothing Sharpe or Carter said was particularly wrong or offensive... and you gonna play the 'fellow black man' card? Brother what the ##### is wrong with you?
If this is what he does to get motivated. I'm OK with it. And honestly, more people should tell these guys on these sports talk shows to shut the hell up. I don't know if this is one of those cases, but in general this should happen more often, starting with Skip Bayless, Stephen A Smith, and Michael Irvin.https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-peterson-calls-cris-carter-shannon-sharpe-criticism-dare-152430858.html
For the record, this is the vid of what Sharpe said in its entirety.
This dude is a clown. How can AP be this delusional? Nothing Sharpe or Carter said was particularly wrong or offensive... and you gonna play the 'fellow black man' card? Brother what the ##### is wrong with you?
Gore is a HOF....first ballot. Nothing short of remarkable what he has done given his injury history in college and in the Pros. A rare talent.Ok, so here’s the deal...I agree with you about yardage being a weak measure of ability, and in general as “compiler” as a criticism of players with longevity.
Tim Brown is in the HOF, and IMO he’s a serous compiler. He played forever & accumulated numbers.
I love Tim Brown, but he’s borderline HOF, IMO. I consider HOF WRs as players who dominated their competition.
Emmitt Smith is always going to be a point of contention for those who would argue that his OL was so dominant that anyone could have done what he did. I’m not sure I completely agree with that, but he’s definitely a bit overrated.
In his prime, Frank Gore was a dominant RB. And moreover, he was a dominant RB in a mold that’s pretty rare. He was a power back who was quick, shifty & elusive, and always, always got more than his often sub-par OLs gave him. He was also fast in the open field, and had soft hands as a capable receiver. He is not what he once was, but he was a trrrific running back who could get you the tough yards you needed when the league hit a lot harder than it does now.
That he was able to do so after surgeries on both knees & both shoulders & will have the longevity he’s had is nothing short of remarkable.
Not sure he’s a HOFer, but he was a damn good RB. I’m a fan.
but to your comment specifically, just because someone is a compiler like AP or Gore, it doesn’t mean they don’t *also* belong in elite company.
I believe Gore, in his prime; belongs in the elite company on just about any list he’s on.
Amazing RB. Anyone who does not think that never saw him play his whole career. Absolute stud.cockroach said:Marcus Allen was a beast, GTFOOH if you think any different, you obviously didn't see him play.
This has to be a fishing trip.Emmitt Smith was more talented than Barry Sanders, by a mile.
He might have been a compiler.....but man was he a tough SOB.I have no idea what this stuff has to do with Peterson's fantasy utility this season, but I'd like to add Eddie George to the compiler list. (Sorry, Dr.O, I don't think this thread will ever be on track)
I was LMFAO reading that post. Smith was a warrior.....Sanders was pure electric. Could change a game on a dime.This has to be a fishing trip.![]()
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Barry Sanders may well be the shiftiest, most elusive back in the history of the game.
Emmit Smith was a great RB who benefitted from arguably the best run blocking OL ever.
They’re such different styles of runner that it’s difficult to even compare them to evaluate, but to say one is better by “a mile” is literally nonsensical.
C’mon, son.
It's not remotely close if you read the articleIf this is what he does to get motivated. I'm OK with it. And honestly, more people should tell these guys on these sports talk shows to shut the hell up. I don't know if this is one of those cases, but in general this should happen more often, starting with Skip Bayless, Stephen A Smith, and Michael Irvin.
There's sensitive, then there's AP.Carter, who co-hosts “First Things First,” and Sharpe, who co-hosts “Undisputed,” both had similar things to say about Peterson on their shows. That at 33, Peterson isn’t the same player he once was. On “Undisputed,” Sharpe said that while Peterson is capable of having big games, getting older means he can’t do it every game anymore. Sharpe also said that Peterson was the best option for the Redskins given what was on the market, but that Peterson is no longer the dominant 2012 or 2013 version of himself.
And thus it was.I was LMFAO reading that post. Smith was a warrior.....Sanders was pure electric. Could change a game on a dime.
Lord......Barry is a legend. And so is Smith. Different backs.
So true. People won't even remember how to spell his name within a year of his retirement.Aryan Foster was so much greater than he will ever be given credit for.
I think there's some fishing going on there...So true. People won't even remember how to spell his name within a year of his retirement.
Probably why Allen relished his time in KC so much.And that wasn't just a one-time think for a few games.
Aargh. So sorry.So true. People won't even remember how to spell his name within a year of his retirement.
S***, did I just :whoosh: ?I think there's some fishing going on there...
I honestly don't know the intention.S***, did I just :whoosh: ?
I'm probably in the minority here, but I think Perine takes a step forward in his 2nd year. He was already great in the passing game as a rookie. He just needs to do what he does best and shed tacklers. I think what a lot of people are missing is that the OL was absolutely decimated by the time Perine took over last year. I think if he gets a shot early this season he can hold off AP and Kelley. But like I said, I'm probably in the minority.I honestly don't know the intention.
As far as Adrian Peterson goes, Thompson lurks in the wings, stealing snaps while presumably somewhat healthy. Hopefully Adrian gets it done on first and second down. But we all knew that, and I'm just changing the subject from an otherwise potential turd in the punch bowl.
That would be very interesting. Everyone has anointed Peterson the starter, and we don't necessarily know that yet. Clinton Portis, as a broadcaster, didn't even give him room to breathe before he declared him the starter. But Clinton ain't coach.I'm probably in the minority here, but I think Perine takes a step forward in his 2nd year. He was already great in the passing game as a rookie. He just needs to do what he does best and shed tacklers. I think what a lot of people are missing is that the OL was absolutely decimated by the time Perine took over last year. I think if he gets a shot early this season he can hold off AP and Kelley. But like I said, I'm probably in the minority.
Yeah, I think that common assumption comes from the fact Washington gave him an extended run in the 3rd preseason game. But why wouldn't they? They had just signed him and desperately needed to see what they had in him AND Perine was hurt. So I'm not sure we can actually read into it very much. I'm not going out and drafting Perine early, but I'd gladly take him at the end of a long draft or for $1 in an auction.That would be very interesting. Everyone has anointed Peterson the starter, and we don't necessarily know that yet. Clinton Portis, as a broadcaster, didn't even give him room to breathe before he declared him the starter. But Clinton ain't coach.
I see what you're saying. The proverbial "everyone" is often wrong when it comes to personnel and usage.Yeah, I think that common assumption comes from the fact Washington gave him an extended run in the 3rd preseason game. But why wouldn't they? They had just signed him and desperately needed to see what they had in him AND Perine was hurt. So I'm not sure we can actually read into it very much. I'm not going out and drafting Perine early, but I'd gladly take him at the end of a long draft or for $1 in an auction.
No idea - I’m working Best of the West rib cook-off festival in Reno, NV 10:00 AM - 9:00 PM every day, and even if I wasn’t I wouldn’t be watching week 4 of the preseason. I never watch week 4 of the preseason.Who was #22 running all over the place last night? Every time that turned it on he was making a big run but I didn’t watch much of the game.
You won’t find a bigger Smith fan than me, but even I would admit Barry was more talented. I’d still take Emmitt over Barry100% of the time but let’s not do that again here.I was LMFAO reading that post. Smith was a warrior.....Sanders was pure electric. Could change a game on a dime.
Lord......Barry is a legend. And so is Smith. Different backs.
No idea - I’m working Best of the West rib cook-off festival in Reno, NV 10:00 AM - 9:00 PM every day, and even if I wasn’t I wouldn’t be watching week 4 of the preseason. I never watch week 4 of the preseason.
but if anyone’s in Reno/Sparks, come by my booth & say hi!
IN!!!!No worries - Only n00bs set their “notify me of replies” togggle to on.IN!!!!
Also, pretty sure I accidentally quoted you but deleted it if you were notified and wondering why I quoted you)
In reality, probably not. I've picked up ADP but I am in no way expecting him to carry anything or hit the fountain of youth. It would be great if I could get an RB20ish from one of the last picks in my draft from the start of the season. That's probably his ceiling and his downside is worthless (which is a fairly decent probability). You never know though...put as many lottery tickets as possible on your roster and hope a couple hitI know that ADP is super human and all, but can the rest of the O keep the D honest in Washington. ADP looked great until Carson went down. He can't carry a team anymore. Can Alex Smith and company keep the D from stacking the box to contain ADP?
I’m not sure teams are going to be stacking the box to stop a 33 year old RB, but Alex Smith is a more than capable QB and the Skins have some solid receivers and a game breaking TE, when healthy (although that’s rare).I know that ADP is super human and all, but can the rest of the O keep the D honest in Washington. ADP looked great until Carson went down. He can't carry a team anymore. Can Alex Smith and company keep the D from stacking the box to contain ADP?
This right here. $$$ point and question. Love how angry and motivated AP sounds. Two of their first four games are @ARI and @NO. Gun be funADP looked great until Carson went down. He can't carry a team anymore. Can Alex Smith and company keep the D from stacking the box to contain ADP?
I didn't realize that. I would've put in a higher WW bid to get him had I known that. I'm guessing monster games to start the season and then we start seeing the descent before he ends the season with an injury before midseason.This right here. $$$ point and question. Love how angry and motivated AP sounds. Two of their first four games are @ARI and @NO. Gun be fun
My exact thinking when I drafted him in the ~20th of an IDP.In reality, probably not. I've picked up ADP but I am in no way expecting him to carry anything or hit the fountain of youth. It would be great if I could get an RB20ish from one of the last picks in my draft from the start of the season. That's probably his ceiling and his downside is worthless (which is a fairly decent probability). You never know though...put as many lottery tickets as possible on your roster and hope a couple hit
I have a feeling you won't be stopping by this thread very often once the season starts.Those expecting consistent numbers weekly are going to be very disappointed. Have fun with those 2-3 useable weeks.
Idk about "monster" games, but I think he starts pretty strong and then hits the wall week 9 or 10. They have an early bye which should help keep him fresh.I didn't realize that. I would've put in a higher WW bid to get him had I known that. I'm guessing monster games to start the season and then we start seeing the descent before he ends the season with an injury before midseason.
100x this. Kid had such a fluid running style. If he was in a big market in his prime he would be talked about a lot more. Alas Houston.Arian Foster was so much greater than he will ever be given credit for.