Advice to Oakland on the #1 pick . . . (1 Viewer)

[duaneok66]

Yes, Oakland's QB situation stinks; but that shouldn't pressure them into taking a QB when the best WR prospect in the last decade is sitting there waiting to be drafted . . .

Kiper et. al consistently say " Who is going to throw CJ the ball?" Last time I checked, you draft a player to (hopefully) play for you for 10-15 years . . . there's no law against getting a QB next year OR getting a decent QB in round 2 or three this year . . .

CJ is too good to pass up . . .

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Yes, Oakland's QB situation stinks; but that shouldn't pressure them into taking a QB when the best WR prospect in the last decade is sitting there waiting to be drafted . . .Kiper et. al consistently say " Who is going to throw CJ the ball?" Last time I checked, you draft a player to (hopefully) play for you for 10-15 years . . . there's no law against getting a QB next year OR getting a decent QB in round 2 or three this year . . .CJ is too good to pass up . . .

So really you mean is-Think long term, not short term.

 

[duaneok66]

Yes, Oakland's QB situation stinks; but that shouldn't pressure them into taking a QB when the best WR prospect in the last decade is sitting there waiting to be drafted . . .Kiper et. al consistently say " Who is going to throw CJ the ball?" Last time I checked, you draft a player to (hopefully) play for you for 10-15 years . . . there's no law against getting a QB next year OR getting a decent QB in round 2 or three this year . . .CJ is too good to pass up . . .

So really you mean is-Think long term, not short term.

thanks for the editing job . . .

 

[-OZ-]

They can always sign Vinny Testeverde.

 

[jurb26]

I still contest that if you want to think about the future, then you better start building your team up from the trenches. If you can put together a solid Oline than the skill guys will come easy.

 

[BGP]

You win the NFL because you win the LOS. The Raiders' mistake isn't that they drafted Gallery. The Radiers' mistake would be to allow Gallery being a bust to cause them to lose their commitment to building a stud OL and DL. You compound the Gallery bust by not selecting Joe Thomas.

 

[jurb26]

You win the NFL because you win the LOS. The Raiders' mistake isn't that they drafted Gallery. The Radiers' mistake would be to allow Gallery being a bust to cause them to lose their commitment to building a stud OL and DL. You compound the Gallery bust by not selecting Joe Thomas.

I've said this for months.

 

[massraider]

Yes, Oakland's QB situation stinks; but that shouldn't pressure them into taking a QB when the best WR prospect in the last decade is sitting there waiting to be drafted . . .Kiper et. al consistently say " Who is going to throw CJ the ball?" Last time I checked, you draft a player to (hopefully) play for you for 10-15 years . . . there's no law against getting a QB next year OR getting a decent QB in round 2 or three this year . . .CJ is too good to pass up . . .

So we should go BPA and take CJ? Absolutely, BPA is the way to go. Can't be reaching for players at the top of the draft.But what if next year, when it's our turn to pick, the BPA isn't a QB either? Or the good ones are gone?And what if, this year, when it's out turn at the top of the 2nd, the BPA isn't a QB (almost a certainty)?Or, what if we take that 2nd round QB, and he sucks, but we don't find out for three years?And then, in 2011, when we are picking 3rd, what if the BPA is the best safety prospect to come out in 14 years? Or maybe the best OT prospect since Gallery and Mandarich?If the Raiders think Russell and Quinn are both going to be average-to-bust, they should take the WR. Otherwise, if you have a shot at a franchise QB, you take it.

 

[Phurfur]

Yes, Oakland's QB situation stinks; but that shouldn't pressure them into taking a QB when the best WR prospect in the last decade is sitting there waiting to be drafted . . .Kiper et. al consistently say " Who is going to throw CJ the ball?" Last time I checked, you draft a player to (hopefully) play for you for 10-15 years . . . there's no law against getting a QB next year OR getting a decent QB in round 2 or three this year . . .CJ is too good to pass up . . .

The Raiders made their mistake last year, Leinart or Cutler represented great value at number 7. It sure would have made this year's pick easier.

 

[-OZ-]

Yes, Oakland's QB situation stinks; but that shouldn't pressure them into taking a QB when the best WR prospect in the last decade is sitting there waiting to be drafted . . .

Kiper et. al consistently say " Who is going to throw CJ the ball?" Last time I checked, you draft a player to (hopefully) play for you for 10-15 years . . . there's no law against getting a QB next year OR getting a decent QB in round 2 or three this year . . .

CJ is too good to pass up . . .

So we should go BPA and take CJ? Absolutely, BPA is the way to go. Can't be reaching for players at the top of the draft.But what if next year, when it's our turn to pick, the BPA isn't a QB either? Or the good ones are gone?

And what if, this year, when it's out turn at the top of the 2nd, the BPA isn't a QB (almost a certainty)?

Or, what if we take that 2nd round QB, and he sucks, but we don't find out for three years?

And then, in 2011, when we are picking 3rd, what if the BPA is the best safety prospect to come out in 14 years? Or maybe the best OT prospect since Gallery and Mandarich?

If the Raiders think Russell and Quinn are both going to be average-to-bust, they should take the WR. Otherwise, if you have a shot at a franchise QB, you take it.

You expect the good QBs to be gone by 1.01? You ask me about "what if a QB sucks", and I'll just point here

 

[-OZ-]

The Raiders made their mistake last year, Leinart or Cutler represented great value at number 7. It sure would have made this year's pick easier.

Leinart or Cutler to Calvin Too bad either one would have not made it through the season alive.

 

[datonn]

If it were anyone other than the Oakland Raiders, would we even be wondering if Calvin Johnson wasn't going #1 OA in 2007? Seriously. He is clearly the cream of the crop when it comes to talent in the 2007 draft, and the Raiders will be absolute fools to let him go.

Also see: Reggie Bush and the Houston Texans in 2006.

Edited to add: In fantasy football, we call that "over-thinking your line-up" or "over-thinking your draft". When the answer is so clearly in front of you, why get "cute" or go a different path just to try and prove how "smart" you are. Take the sure-cash and thank your lucky stars.....

 

[BlackHole]

You win the NFL because you win the LOS. The Raiders' mistake isn't that they drafted Gallery. The Radiers' mistake would be to allow Gallery being a bust to cause them to lose their commitment to building a stud OL and DL. You compound the Gallery bust by not selecting Joe Thomas.

I've said this for months.

Grove with 2.02 pick that year didn't help matter either. Grove showed some capability but he is close to becoming a bust as well. That draft, not last years, is what has hurt the Raiders more than any other. I for one would have no problem with Thomas, at the 4th pick.

 

[massraider]

If it were anyone other than the Oakland Raiders, would we even be wondering if Calvin Johnson wasn't going #1 OA in 2007? Seriously.

Yeah, we would. You think the Lions are going to jump all over CJ if he's still there at #2?Is CJ a lock to Cleveland at #3 if he somehow makes it that far?

 

[JohnnyU]

Let's look at the Raiders 1st rd picks since 2001

2001 - Derrick Gibson, SS, Fla St @ 1.28 - Ugg

2002 - Phillip Buchanon CB Mia @ 1.17 - No longer with the team

2003 - Nnamdi Asomugha CB California @ 1.31 - Good player, got late invite to Pro Bowl

- Tyler Brayton DE Colorado @ 1.32 - Known for punching Jeremy Stevens, so what

2004 - Robert Gallery T Iowa @ 1.02 - Thought to be a safe pick, and LT is a coveted position, but now he's moving back to the right side of the line. BUST so far.

2005 - Oakland Fabian Washington CB Nebraska @ 1.23

2006 - Oakland Michael Huff SS Texas @ 1.07

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

 

[massraider]

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

Is someone like that available?

 

[JohnnyU]

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

Is someone like that available?

I don't know, but they sure as hell need someone besides Al Davis making the picks. It's time he got his hand out of the stew.

 

[Billy1x]

If I'm the Raiders I call Tampa and make them the same deal they are offering Detroit. Go for the picks and likely get Quinn or Russell, who ever is left for about 10 million less.

No one is going to give the what the chart says for a number one but Tampa seems to be willing to give up what it takes to get to number two.

 

[massraider]

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

Is someone like that available?

I don't know, but they sure as hell need someone besides Al Davis making the picks. It's time he got his hand out of the stew.

The funny thing is, the recent 'safe' picks that everyone approved of are the ones not doing well, and some of the 'typical Al Davis picks' like Asomougha and Washington are the ones that panned out.

 

[massraider]

If I'm the Raiders I call Tampa and make them the same deal they are offering Detroit. Go for the picks and likely get Quinn or Russell, who ever is left for about 10 million less.No one is going to give the what the chart says for a number one but Tampa seems to be willing to give up what it takes to get to number two.

As much as I want Russell, I would definitely be on board with this.Two things I see working against this:1. I wonder if Tampa is willing make that trade. Good chance Calvin will still be there. 2. If the Raiders want one of the QBs, they won't want to risk CLE taking him.

 

[JohnnyU]

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

Is someone like that available?

I don't know, but they sure as hell need someone besides Al Davis making the picks. It's time he got his hand out of the stew.

The funny thing is, the recent 'safe' picks that everyone approved of are the ones not doing well, and some of the 'typical Al Davis picks' like Asomougha and Washington are the ones that panned out.

....but 5 f-ing DBs since 2001 in the 1st rd? Regarding the so called safe pick that was supposed to be Gallery, "Big Al" still made the pick, and not because everyone else approved of it. He's still the one running that team into the ground. You would think after someone turns 104 they would retire.

 

[massraider]

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

Is someone like that available?

I don't know, but they sure as hell need someone besides Al Davis making the picks. It's time he got his hand out of the stew.

The funny thing is, the recent 'safe' picks that everyone approved of are the ones not doing well, and some of the 'typical Al Davis picks' like Asomougha and Washington are the ones that panned out.

....but 5 f-ing DBs since 2001 in the 1st rd? Regarding the so called safe pick that was supposed to be Gallery, "Big Al" still made the pick, and not because everyone else approved of it. He's still the one running that team into the ground. You would think after someone turns 104 they would retire.

Not what I meant. Just pointing out that the some of the busts they have had were ranked highly by most, guys like Buchanon and Gallery. And some of the Al Davis reaches have turned out well. THeir drafts lately have actually been a bit better.Davis' refusal to pay top dollar for coaches, and decision based off that, are what has really hurt the team, IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

That's 5 freaking DBs chosen in the 1st rd since 2001, unbelievable. You think they need to hire someone like Polian?

Is someone like that available?

I don't know, but they sure as hell need someone besides Al Davis making the picks. It's time he got his hand out of the stew.

The funny thing is, the recent 'safe' picks that everyone approved of are the ones not doing well, and some of the 'typical Al Davis picks' like Asomougha and Washington are the ones that panned out.

....but 5 f-ing DBs since 2001 in the 1st rd? Regarding the so called safe pick that was supposed to be Gallery, "Big Al" still made the pick, and not because everyone else approved of it. He's still the one running that team into the ground. You would think after someone turns 104 they would retire.

Not what I meant. Just pointing out that the some of the busts they have had were ranked highly by most, guys like Buchanon and Gallery. And some of the Al Davis reaches have turned out well. THeir drafts lately have actually been a bit better.Davis' refusal to pay top dollar for coaches, and decision based off that, are what has really hurt the team, IMO.

So do you think Davis can still draft a winning team? I don't think he has a clue anymore.

 

[datonn]

If it were anyone other than the Oakland Raiders, would we even be wondering if Calvin Johnson wasn't going #1 OA in 2007? Seriously.

Yeah, we would. You think the Lions are going to jump all over CJ if he's still there at #2?Is CJ a lock to Cleveland at #3 if he somehow makes it that far?

massraider,Trading down is another story. However, if you're 14 minutes and 30 seconds into your time on the clock and no trade offers have blown you away, what do you do? YOU TAKE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE IN THE DRAFT AND DON'T LOOK BACK. If Oakland does pull a "Texans" and drafts QB Russell, then Millen and the Lions should be doing the EXACT same thing. If the Lions pull a "Raiders" and draft anybody other than Johnson at 1.02, then the Browns should do the EXACT same thing. One can always debate which player is actually the "best player available"....but if you have Calvin Johnson #1 OA on your big board and DON'T select him then you deserve EVERYTHING that will likely be coming to you down the road.How many times in a FFL draft in a STUD league do you see the guys drafting for need in rounds 5 to 15-20 going on to win titles? Not nearly as often, in my experience (at least in good leagues). Why? Because they are passing on superior talent to focus on drafting a position of need, AND they are letting the teams beneath them land BETTER players.Best players available. PERIOD. If you can trade down and go "BPA" at 1.03-1.04 and pick up an extra pick or two, even better! However, if there are no trades to be made and time is ticking down, B-P-A. Anything else is fool-hearty.

 

[massraider]

Best players available. PERIOD. If you can trade down and go "BPA" at 1.03-1.04 and pick up an extra pick or two, even better! However, if there are no trades to be made and time is ticking down, B-P-A. Anything else is fool-hearty.

I just don't think the draft works like that. I think in the abstract, all teams would like to take the #1 guy on their board every time, but I don't think they do, because the draft doesn't happen in a vacuum, meaning that other factors like current roster, scheme, need, player position and salary cap all play into it. I think all teams draft for need. Some will disagree, that's fine. You know when I think teams draft BPA? When they don't like the options at a position of need.

 

[datonn]

I just don't think the draft works like that. I think in the abstract, all teams would like to take the #1 guy on their board every time, but I don't think they do, because the draft doesn't happen in a vacuum, meaning that other factors like current roster, scheme, need, player position and salary cap all play into it. I think all teams draft for need. Some will disagree, that's fine. You know when I think teams draft BPA? When they don't like the options at a position of need.

Could very-well be true. However, when you're drafting in the top 5-7 of an NFL draft at your own doing (not as the result of a trade), I would venture a guess that you have a LOT more needs than just "QB" or "WR." The Raiders need help in a lot of the offensive positions (QB, TE, Line, etc.). However, if they do in fact have Calvin Johnson as their clear #1 player on their board, then why on earth not take him? Seriously. It's not the Raiders either. My Vikings do the exact same thing. Several "better" players were on the board when they were drafting with the Raiders 1.07 pick not too long ago. Did they select those better players though? Nope. They drafted need....taking the best speedy WR prospect they could see after dealing away Randy Moss. It's not the Raiders....it seems more like a NFL executive pandemic of late. I know for a fact that many teams don't draft BPA while they are on the clock. However, that's part of the reason why certain teams are almost-always drafting in the top 10-15 overall, while others have the luxury of drafting whoever falls to them at 1.27-1.32......

 

[CalBear]

....but 5 f-ing DBs since 2001 in the 1st rd? Regarding the so called safe pick that was supposed to be Gallery, "Big Al" still made the pick, and not because everyone else approved of it. He's still the one running that team into the ground. You would think after someone turns 104 they would retire.

The Raiders' defense was #3 in the league, and #1 against the pass, so those DB picks have not gone to waste. I think Al at least had a self-consistent strategy in his mind; build the defense from the draft, and build the offense through free agency. He made huge free agent moves that had fantasy football players drooling over the possibilities; many people thought Jordan-to-the-Radiers and Moss-to-the-Raiders were great moves. Even Collins got a lot of hype when then went and got him. Those moves haven't worked out so well, for various reasons, but I can at least understand the strategy.

 

[Loopdog]

to me, QB is the toughest pick to make high in the draft. Too many bust. I'd rather have a solid offensive line with a decent QB than a stud QB who gets his head beat in. I think that's so overlooked in the grand scheme of things because everyone wants the "sexy player." Has anyone noticed that the Raiders have the most dominant WR in the last 20 years on their roster? How's he doing out there? People wanna say he's washed up and all, whatever. You can't get him the ball if you get hit in the 3rd step of your 5 step drop.