AFC East - Worst Division in NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Adam Harstad]

NFC EAST = 0-3 outside of the division. Only two wins are vs NFL East teams.

They're 0-5 outside of the division. The AFC East is 4-0 out of division.

 

[Max Power]

NFC EAST = 0-3 outside of the division. Only two wins are vs NFL East teams.

They're 0-5 outside of the division. The AFC East is 4-0 out of division.

good call. drunk math isn't my specialty. Over half those NFC East losses at home too.

 

[Biabreakable]

Adrian Peterson

Calvin Johnson

Aaron Rodgers

Brandon Marshall

The NFC East has better offensive players?

Consider groups. Just the top guy at each position....

Romo-Murray-Dez-Witten

Griffin-Morris-Garcon-Davis/Reed

Eli-Wilson-Nicks/Cruz-Myers

Vick-McCoy-DJax-Celek

You could argue, but they are almost all above average at their positions and it's VERY tough to find many better groups. Plus, their OLines are decent.

Compare that to

Ponder-AD-Jennings-Rudolph

Stafford-Bush-Calvin-Pettigrew/Fauria?

Rodgers-Lacy-Cobb-Finley

Cutler-Forte-Marshall-Bennett

they're tight, but by team I'd rank them something like:

Romo-Murray-Dez-Witten

Rodgers-Lacy-Cobb-Finley

Vick-McCoy-DJax-Celek

Griffin-Morris-Garcon-Davis/Reed

Stafford-Bush-Calvin-Pettigrew/Fauria

Eli-Wilson-Nicks/Cruz-Myers

Cutler-Forte-Marshall-Bennett

Ponder-AD-Jennings-Rudolph

It's very close.

Interesting. I heard an old timer once say you can tell who will win most of the time by comparing the top 3 skill position players on each team.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I don't agree with the wins being based just off the big 3.

I don't think anyone would just look at Flacco/Rice/Boldin and expect the Ravens would have won last year's Super Bowl.

Eli/Bradshaw/Cruz?

Rodgers/Jackson/Jennings?

Brees/Pierre/Colston?

I'm just saying if we're talking offensive production, I'd look at more than the top player on the team.

The whole point of me bringing up Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Aaron Rodgers and to a lesser extent Brandon Marshall is because these are players who can completely dominate a game. No matter what else the other team may have on defense these are players who can go off anyways.

That comparison was just about the offense however. The NFC East does have some good offensive weapons, I just do not think any of those weapons are on the same level of dominance as the top offensive players in the NFC North.

Obviously the whole team matters not just a sub set of a group of players. The Vikings and Bears have very good special teams, something that may go unnoticed. These teams also have to deal with these elite offensive players 6 times a season, which certainly hurts their defenses, a lot goes into trying to keep these players in check however, Chicago and Green Bay have had very high quality secondaries for a pretty long time now. Chicago, Vikings and Lions all have very good defensive lines. Some of the elite players such as Julius Peppers, Jared Allen and Suh. With good depth and quality as well.

It is important to look at the whole picture. When doing so those top 3 players (AD, Mega, Rodgers) stand out above all of their peers across the entire league. So when just talking about offense that is the standard most other teams cannot match.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

NFC West - Seattle and San Fran are the obvious observations, but St Louis would favored as division champs in four or five other divisions. And the Cards may get to .500, remarkable considering how badly they'll get beat up inside the division

The rams are on the rise but this is absurd. NO/ATL GB DEN NE CIN/BAL would all be favored to win more games than STL against like opposition. So you have AFCS (which i still go HOU) and NFCE (only because the front runner is always so hard to call). Let me know which of these teams the Rams would be favored to win the division over.

NFC East (by two games, at least)

AFC East (Pats are a shell of themselves this season)

AFC North

AFC South (with this one, favored may be a stretch because of Houston... but the Rams would be playing Tennessee and Jacksonville instead of Seattle and San Fran)

And while I know others are much bigger on them than I am, I think the NFC North is down. They wouldn't be favored in that one, but they'd easily be in the mix at the end in there.

These rams?

You mean the Rams where the difference between them and one of those on the short list of making the Super Bowl was a tipped-pass-picked-by-a-D-lineman-and-returned-for-a-TD?

NFC East has gone 0-3 so far today, including a home loss to San Diego and a loss to KC.

AFC East - Please tell me you wins against Carolina or Cleveland change who these guys are

AFC North - Two lackluster games inside the division proves pretty much nothing (I know I'm jumping the gun on this, but tell me Steelers/Bengals won't qualify)

AFC South - You mean -these- Texans? You mean -these- Colts?

While it's nice to know you were just sitting at your keyboard waiting for the first bad week from the Rams, you clearly didn't look at any of the landscape they'd be compared to. A close loss on the road to the team with the best record in football last year.... oodles and oodles of shame in that one, there is.

I think I will just keep bumping this all year

 

[Thanatos]

NFC EAST = 0-3 outside of the division. Only two wins are vs NFL East teams.

They're 0-5 outside of the division. The AFC East is 4-0 out of division.

/thread

 

[msudaisy26]

shameless bump

 

[msudaisy26]

Now the division is undefeated outside of the division and 9 - 3 overall.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miami and New England both 3-0, pretty good.

 

[ponchsox]

Fail

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Fail

This is putting it very kindly.

 

[GreenNGold]

NFC Least

 

[GroveDiesel]

Buffalo's suck must single-handedly be dragging their grade down.

 

[MCguidance]

In the last 10-12 yrs the AFC East has played in 5 Super Bowls, won 3 Super Bowls, played in 8 Conference Championship games.

All the Super Bowl related stuff is the Patriots and I think 6 of the 8 conference championships tooI think the Jets have 2 conference championship appearances

The Dolphins and Bills haven't done much if anything in the last 10-12 years

Yeah, I mean that's literally ALL the Patriots. The Patriots we're gold in a chest full of $h1t for the past 12 seasons. If the Patriots start to fall behind (at least through two games this seems to be happening) that division very quickly becomes the worst by a very wide margin.

Well, no, not literally.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

NFC Least

Yep, the NFC East is looking like 8-8 could win it. Dallas this week looks like the front runner but it will change virtually week to week.

The defenses in the East are just bad. Philly, Giants and Washington are garbage and Dallas is about average.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

In the last 10-12 yrs the AFC East has played in 5 Super Bowls, won 3 Super Bowls, played in 8 Conference Championship games.

All the Super Bowl related stuff is the Patriots and I think 6 of the 8 conference championships tooI think the Jets have 2 conference championship appearances

The Dolphins and Bills haven't done much if anything in the last 10-12 years

Yeah, I mean that's literally ALL the Patriots. The Patriots we're gold in a chest full of $h1t for the past 12 seasons. If the Patriots start to fall behind (at least through two games this seems to be happening) that division very quickly becomes the worst by a very wide margin.

Well, no, not literally.

We are only a few decades from literally and figuratively completely flipping definitions. It's like people hate words sometimes.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How come the OP doesn't come back to his thread?

 

[Thanatos]

How come the OP doesn't come back to his thread?

 

[SportsGuru311]

I would have to say now that the NFC East would be the worst division in football. Dallas may end up winning by default

 

[Max Power]

NFC West (outside of Seattle) and AFC South have both moved down in the standings

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

 

[Insein]

This is the worst I've seen the NFC East in... well forever. Even during the early 2000's when the Skins and Cowboys were down, the Eagles were at the top of the NFC and Giants put in some good years. This is bad. Cowboys will win this division going away but they are not a great team by any stretch. Eagles are rebuilding. Skins with a hobbled RG3 are a trainwreck and I don't have a clue what's up with the Giants. This is a bad year for the Beast.

 

[Max Power]

This is the worst I've seen the NFC East in... well forever. Even during the early 2000's when the Skins and Cowboys were down, the Eagles were at the top of the NFC and Giants put in some good years. This is bad. Cowboys will win this division going away but they are not a great team by any stretch. Eagles are rebuilding. Skins with a hobbled RG3 are a trainwreck and I don't have a clue what's up with the Giants. This is a bad year for the Beast.

its bad, but still great for fantasy points. Its hard to picture Dallas winning the division, but I don't see any other team pulling it out right now.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

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[Kool-Aid Larry]

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jets lose to a solid TN team but Buffalo does the division proud knocking off Baltimore, hope Miami can equal that feat next week.

 

[Uncle Leo]

NFC EAST.

 

[smapdi]

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SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

 

[Adam Harstad]

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SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

 

[msudaisy26]

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SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

That takes talent, too. That Flacco contract is going to bring that franchise down for the next few years.

 

[drummer]

NFC EAST.

 

[smapdi]

Buf 23

SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

I think the Bills deserve some credit for that. Their run defense has been atrocious the last few seasons and they came in to today allowing 150 a game. With pretty much their entire secondary hurt (Gilmore, McKelvin, Brooks, Byrd), the front 7 had to step up & have a good game to have any chance of winning. Dareus was a beast today; really lived up to his #3 overall pick status in this game.

The Ravens couldn't get anything going on the ground. It's not like them to just abandon the running game unless they were getting shutdown.

 

[KingDread]

The NFC East is clearly the worst as of now, but I could see the Cowboys and one of the Giants or Redskins turning it around. It's still early so it's tough to say, but I am shocked at how the AFC is dominating the NFC. At the start of the season, I figured there would be wildcard teams in the AFC that would have been 6-10 if they played in the NFC.

 

[jurb26]

The NFC East is clearly the worst as of now, but I could see the Cowboys and one of the Giants or Redskins turning it around. It's still early so it's tough to say, but I am shocked at how the AFC is dominating the NFC. At the start of the season, I figured there would be wildcard teams in the AFC that would have been 6-10 if they played in the NFC.

AFC is clearly the superior conference despite all this talk that the NFC is much better. Right now the NFC is Sea/NO and a weak 2nd tier. Dev is the class of the AFC but the gap to the 2nd tier is small. NE, Mia, KC and Indy are all better than then 2nd tier NFC teams. The AFC is dominating the cross conference games. To date the AFC teams have 36 overall wins. NFC teams have 26.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Buf 23

SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

The NFL should credit the Ravens with a win and a loss, since they beat themselves, right?

 

[Adam Harstad]

Buf 23

SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

The NFL should credit the Ravens with a win and a loss, since they beat themselves, right?

I never said that Buffalo was not responsible for beating Baltimore. I said that Buffalo was not responsible for Baltimore calling 50 passes vs. 9 runs in a game where their QB threw 5 INTs. Clearly the plays Baltimore calls on offense is outside of Buffalo's control.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Buf 23

SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

The NFL should credit the Ravens with a win and a loss, since they beat themselves, right?

Clearly the plays Baltimore calls on offense is outside of Buffalo's control.

You really think this is true?

 

[Vector]

I think its the AFC North right now. Pitt(ugh), Cinn(disappointing), Balt(wtf?), Clev(surprising!)

 

[Insein]

I think its the AFC North right now. Pitt(ugh), Cinn(disappointing), Balt(wtf?), Clev(surprising!)

They are putting up an impressive display of ineptitude but the nfc east takes the cake this year.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Buf 23

SB Champs 20

What does OP have to say now??

Bills forced Flacco into a career worst performance (5 INT's). Held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing - with Ray Rice playing.

Bills have a ton of young talent (Manuel, Woods, Alonso, Spiller, Dareus, Williams, Gilmore) and a much better coaching staff that actually has a clue.

This division has a ton of young talent and I don't think there is anyway you can call it the worst division in football at this point. Hell, the Dolphins are undefeated.

The Ravens held the Ravens to 24 yards rushing. The game was close the whole way, and Baltimore still called 50 passes vs. just 9 runs. Mind boggling. Just because you pay Joe Flacco more than Peyton Manning doesn't mean he'll play better than Peyton Manning.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm guessing B'more radio was all over that today as it would be in any NFL city. Still the bad playcalling should be a sidebar to your franchise QB playing that awful against a secondary missing its 4 best players (actually 5 when Williams left). WTF. I think the 3rd Manning brother could've done better.

 

[fantasycurse42]

How come the OP doesn't come back to his thread?

I was clearly wrong... The NFC East is a joke!!

Happy?

 

[Adam Harstad]

Clearly the plays Baltimore calls on offense is outside of Buffalo's control.

You really think this is true?

... yes. Why would I say it if I didn't believe it to be true? Buffalo can call certain defenses and sell out against certain options to try to influence Baltimore's playcalling, but at the end of the day, the only people responsible for the plays Baltimore calls are Baltimore. It's not like the Buffalo coaches hacked into Baltimore's radio headset and started calling passes for them. At the end of the day, Baltimore called 50 passes and 9 runs despite their QB throwing 5 INTs, and the people who bear responsibility for that are the people who call the plays for Baltimore. Baltimore, despite playing in a game that was close the whole way, didn't call a single running play the entire third quarter. That's on Baltimore's coaches, just like it was on Mike Martz when he'd stop using Marshall Faulk for long stretches, just like it was on Andy Reid when he'd call 50 passes vs. 10 rushes.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Clearly the plays Baltimore calls on offense is outside of Buffalo's control.

You really think this is true?

... yes. Why would I say it if I didn't believe it to be true? Buffalo can call certain defenses and sell out against certain options to try to influence Baltimore's playcalling, but at the end of the day, the only people responsible for the plays Baltimore calls are Baltimore. It's not like the Buffalo coaches hacked into Baltimore's radio headset and started calling passes for them. At the end of the day, Baltimore called 50 passes and 9 runs despite their QB throwing 5 INTs, and the people who bear responsibility for that are the people who call the plays for Baltimore. Baltimore, despite playing in a game that was close the whole way, didn't call a single running play the entire third quarter. That's on Baltimore's coaches, just like it was on Mike Martz when he'd stop using Marshall Faulk for long stretches, just like it was on Andy Reid when he'd call 50 passes vs. 10 rushes.

Good. You don't have to be a lawyer about it. Buffalo influenced Baltimore's playcalling.

 

[drummer]

Clearly the plays Baltimore calls on offense is outside of Buffalo's control.

You really think this is true?

... yes. Why would I say it if I didn't believe it to be true? Buffalo can call certain defenses and sell out against certain options to try to influence Baltimore's playcalling, but at the end of the day, the only people responsible for the plays Baltimore calls are Baltimore. It's not like the Buffalo coaches hacked into Baltimore's radio headset and started calling passes for them. At the end of the day, Baltimore called 50 passes and 9 runs despite their QB throwing 5 INTs, and the people who bear responsibility for that are the people who call the plays for Baltimore. Baltimore, despite playing in a game that was close the whole way, didn't call a single running play the entire third quarter. That's on Baltimore's coaches, just like it was on Mike Martz when he'd stop using Marshall Faulk for long stretches, just like it was on Andy Reid when he'd call 50 passes vs. 10 rushes.

Good. You don't have to be a lawyer about it. Buffalo influenced Baltimore's playcalling.

Lol

 

[jurb26]

Right on cue. The Bills lose to the Browns.

AFC East? They are who we thought they were.

Nice fishing trip. Lets see if anyone bites....

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

pats win again

jets beat another division leader

miami beats another division leader

buffalo

 

[MoveToSkypager]

pats win again

jets beat another division leader

miami beats another division leader

buffalo

That was awesome

 

[jurb26]

Damn, nice bump... Crickets.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the AFC east is probably in the middle of the pack, but anyone that thinks this division is worse then the NFC east is either on drugs or needs be evaluated by a doctor.

 

[The Duff Man]

pats win again

jets beat another division leader

miami beats another division leader

buffalo starts their 4th string QB after THREE go down with injury and still have a solid look at beating a division leader