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Ahmad Bradshaw's future (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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Contract details -
8/1/2011: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract. The deal contains $9 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus, Bradshaw's first-year base salary, and $2.5 million of his second-year salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through four. 2012: $3 million, 2013: $3.75 million, 2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent
8/1/2011: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract. The deal contains $9 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus, Bradshaw's first-year base salary, and $2.5 million of his second-year salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two through four. 2012: $3 million, 2013: $3.75 million, 2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent
JohnnyU
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Really? They have Brown too, even though he's had some back luck with injuries, he's looked very good. Why would they blow 4 million on Bradshaw, assuming it's not guaranteed if they cut him, if they could use the cash to help their defense?I don't think he has anything to worry about at all. He'll be back as the starter (at least to start the year) with Wilson getting more carries than the 71 he received this year.
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D'OHtis
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Yep. Several reasons:1) He's their most reliable back currently. $4 mil for a soon to be 27 year old back that just had a 1250+ total yard season (4.6 YPC) isn't much. We're not talking a washed up vet (like Brandon Jacobs,etc..) here. [speaking of Jacobs, he just collected over $1.5 mil to do nothing all year]2) ~$5 mil to devote to a 3 man RB crew (Bradshaw/Wilson/A.Brown) isn't costly and all are productive and likely to be needed throughout the course of a season. (I think Brown will be solely relegated to short yardage if he returns, with Wilson grabbing his carries outside of that)The contract Bradshaw signed was very reasonable. Really wouldn't be shocked if he finished it out as a Giant. At the very least, I think this Bradshaw/Giant release conversation is an offseason too early.Giants can address their defense issues in the draft. Bradshaw and his salary is the least of their problems IMO. I think everyone expects Wilson to get more carries (than 71 he did this year), but to think they'll trust him to completely take over and push Bradshaw aside (when he played just a mere 4 snaps Week 16) isn't likely.I see a committee with Wilson taking more carries away from Bradshaw in 2013. If he (Wilson) shows more consistency all around, maybe Bradshaw is gone next offseason.Really? They have Brown too, even though he's had some back luck with injuries, he's looked very good. Why would they blow 4 million on Bradshaw, assuming it's not guaranteed if they cut him, if they could use the cash to help their defense?I don't think he has anything to worry about at all. He'll be back as the starter (at least to start the year) with Wilson getting more carries than the 71 he received this year.
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He will be back to start next year at least, my gut tells me that Brown will be healthy and Wilson will get better at pass blocking and he will be lucky if he get 40% of the carries by time they hit week 6 because Brown will be the good short yardage guy and get about 30 to 40 percent of the snaps and Wilson will be getting 30 to 40 percent of the snaps as well. Bradshaw will start screaming at coaches again after he does rip off a big run or screen pass that they aren't using him enough and the act is getting old. I think he ends the year on IR with a minor injury and he gets vocal about it.
This is my gut feeling as I said earlier, I hope it doesn't come to this because I actually liked the way the guy played until he started going off earlier this year, and it would be a bad way to go out.
This is my gut feeling as I said earlier, I hope it doesn't come to this because I actually liked the way the guy played until he started going off earlier this year, and it would be a bad way to go out.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with D'OHtis on this and thanks for the contract information. I do not consider either Rb a player to go out of your way to target for your team unless you can roster both. Even then it will likely be RBBC and hard to predict the hot hand between Wilson/Bradshaw/Brown or other RB addition any given week. Bradshaw is a sell if you can get decent value while Wilson is a hold.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Yes, this is pretty much going to turn into F-Jax/CJ Spiller situation
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Brown is a RFA
True enough. BJGE, Fred Jackson & Michael Bush all signed contracts for around that much per year last offseason. Bradshaw is quite a bit better than them IMO.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
How is NY with the cap in 2013?
Yeah, this rarely comes up. I'm not sure they bring all 3 RBs back. Bradshaw seems to do everything pretty well, so it would be hard to imagine them cutting him over $4 million. As someone else said, that's not a lot of money for a starting RB. Especially considering you know he fits the system. I speculate that Coughlin isn't going to want to hand the reigns over to Wilson just yet. However, if they're over the cap then something will have to give. A slight re-structure might be in order, too.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
4 million may not be a HUGE amount for a starting RB, but it is a lot when you have a luxury at the position. Wilson is a more dynamic RB than Bradshaw and he should improve in pass coverage. Quite simply, Bradshaw is a luxury and is expendable.Edited to add that Bradshaw's ego will not let him take a pay cut either. Can NY afford him in 2013, even at such a "so called" low cost (wink) for a starting RB?
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TheLurkerBelow
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I agree with this assessment. If Bradshaw goes, I don't think it will be until after next season when they have more confidence in the running, pass blocking, and health of the others on the roster. If Bradshaw had signed a DeAngelo Williams type of deal he might be out of a job, but for what he's signed for and how much he produces, it's too good a value to let him go now.Also, don't forget the negative impact that cutting a good player just for salary reasons has on the rest of the team. Sometimes you have to do it, but it creates tremendous resentment on the part of the other players. If a player can't get it done on the field any more, see Brandon Jacobs, it's not a big deal, or if you let someone go via free agency it's less of a negative impact because in the end it was the player's choice to sign somewhere else. But, if you cut a guy who produces, is a team leader, and has a reasonable salary, the players will be pissed.Yep. Several reasons:1) He's their most reliable back currently. $4 mil for a soon to be 27 year old back that just had a 1250+ total yard season (4.6 YPC) isn't much. We're not talking a washed up vet (like Brandon Jacobs,etc..) here. [speaking of Jacobs, he just collected over $1.5 mil to do nothing all year]2) ~$5 mil to devote to a 3 man RB crew (Bradshaw/Wilson/A.Brown) isn't costly and all are productive and likely to be needed throughout the course of a season. (I think Brown will be solely relegated to short yardage if he returns, with Wilson grabbing his carries outside of that)The contract Bradshaw signed was very reasonable. Really wouldn't be shocked if he finished it out as a Giant. At the very least, I think this Bradshaw/Giant release conversation is an offseason too early.Giants can address their defense issues in the draft. Bradshaw and his salary is the least of their problems IMO. I think everyone expects Wilson to get more carries (than 71 he did this year), but to think they'll trust him to completely take over and push Bradshaw aside (when he played just a mere 4 snaps Week 16) isn't likely.I see a committee with Wilson taking more carries away from Bradshaw in 2013. If he (Wilson) shows more consistency all around, maybe Bradshaw is gone next offseason.Really? They have Brown too, even though he's had some back luck with injuries, he's looked very good. Why would they blow 4 million on Bradshaw, assuming it's not guaranteed if they cut him, if they could use the cash to help their defense?I don't think he has anything to worry about at all. He'll be back as the starter (at least to start the year) with Wilson getting more carries than the 71 he received this year.
JohnnyU
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How much of a team leader is he when he sets an example by yelling at the coaches and Cruz for no good reason.I agree with this assessment. If Bradshaw goes, I don't think it will be until after next season when they have more confidence in the running, pass blocking, and health of the others on the roster. If Bradshaw had signed a DeAngelo Williams type of deal he might be out of a job, but for what he's signed for and how much he produces, it's too good a value to let him go now.Also, don't forget the negative impact that cutting a good player just for salary reasons has on the rest of the team. Sometimes you have to do it, but it creates tremendous resentment on the part of the other players. If a player can't get it done on the field any more, see Brandon Jacobs, it's not a big deal, or if you let someone go via free agency it's less of a negative impact because in the end it was the player's choice to sign somewhere else. But, if you cut a guy who produces, is a team leader, and has a reasonable salary, the players will be pissed.Yep. Several reasons:1) He's their most reliable back currently. $4 mil for a soon to be 27 year old back that just had a 1250+ total yard season (4.6 YPC) isn't much. We're not talking a washed up vet (like Brandon Jacobs,etc..) here. [speaking of Jacobs, he just collected over $1.5 mil to do nothing all year]Really? They have Brown too, even though he's had some back luck with injuries, he's looked very good. Why would they blow 4 million on Bradshaw, assuming it's not guaranteed if they cut him, if they could use the cash to help their defense?I don't think he has anything to worry about at all. He'll be back as the starter (at least to start the year) with Wilson getting more carries than the 71 he received this year.
2) ~$5 mil to devote to a 3 man RB crew (Bradshaw/Wilson/A.Brown) isn't costly and all are productive and likely to be needed throughout the course of a season. (I think Brown will be solely relegated to short yardage if he returns, with Wilson grabbing his carries outside of that)
The contract Bradshaw signed was very reasonable. Really wouldn't be shocked if he finished it out as a Giant. At the very least, I think this Bradshaw/Giant release conversation is an offseason too early.
Giants can address their defense issues in the draft. Bradshaw and his salary is the least of their problems IMO. I think everyone expects Wilson to get more carries (than 71 he did this year), but to think they'll trust him to completely take over and push Bradshaw aside (when he played just a mere 4 snaps Week 16) isn't likely.
I see a committee with Wilson taking more carries away from Bradshaw in 2013. If he (Wilson) shows more consistency all around, maybe Bradshaw is gone next offseason.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not true, BJGE will make 2013-2014: $2.3 million, that's 1.475 million less than what Bradshaw makes. That's not almost what Bradshaw makes.Fred Jackson - 2013: $2.15 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus due in March + $150,000 in per-game roster bonuses). Again, much less than Bradshaw.Michael Bush - 013: $1.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus). That's also a lot less than Bradshaw's 3.75 mil.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I am with JohnnyU on this one. I think they trade/release Bradshaw and roll with David Wilson & Co. I strongly believe that Bradshaw chaps Coughlin's ar$e and he has had enough of Bradshaw missing practice all week and then starting on Sunday. It sets a bad example for the team. If Bradshaw was respected and a captain, like Frank Gore, things may be different.The decision for Coughlin and the Giants will not come down to 2012 production.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
He is going to be starting next year AGAIN until he gets hurt....there is no David Wilson and Co...it's Bradshaw and Co
Bradshaw has heart and grit but he is injury prone....only bad thing.
Bradshaw has heart and grit but he is injury prone....only bad thing.
Let's not twist words here. I don't think anyone is calling $4 million a low cost. I think most of us would refer to that as reasonable. Better starters like Arian Foster make twice that. Lesser starters like BJGE make about a million or two less. I think DeAngelo is due like $4.5 million but he's not a starter, so he's likely to get cut. Wilson may be more "dynamic" if by dynamic you mean better straight line speed, but I think Bradshaw is a better all round back (short yardage, holds the ball, pass pro, etc.). I think the Giants pay the extra few million to keep Bradshaw for his versatility and proven production. They need the depth, so it's either keep him or bring in a lesser back for a million or two a year.I don't own either guy, FWIW. Just enjoy the speculation.
matttyl
Footballguy
I think the Giants keep him, they aren't ready to hand the reigns over.
That said I did "buy low" or waiver pick up Bradshaw, D Will, B Powell and Willis McGahee in the last few weeks of the year with the crazy RB carousel that's gonna happen this offseason.
That said I did "buy low" or waiver pick up Bradshaw, D Will, B Powell and Willis McGahee in the last few weeks of the year with the crazy RB carousel that's gonna happen this offseason.
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I don't think missing the practice is an issue. He is hurt and he missing practice for a reason. I think his blows up on the sideline are starting to bug people. I think he is back next year but it wouldn't surprise if he is cut and they resign Brown and roll with a time share with Brown and Wilson and draft a rookie that can play on special teams too.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Maybe. I am shooting from the gut. I think Coughlin is tired of his attitude and missing practice. Also, if Bradshaw were OK with a timeshare I might have a different opinion, but I think that Bradshaw will implode if he is not "the man" and Coughlin knows it.“I don’t want to go into that one-practice-a-week business we’ve had,” Coughlin said. “So I’m hoping that this is something that he is able to overcome and see the end of it.”
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They all signed with an average per year of pretty close to $4M (I think BJGE was closer to $3M though.) Looking only at a particular base salary for one single year in multi-year contracts doesn't give a very good comparison IMO. Going rate for a marginal starter or in Bush's case, an ok backup, looks to be around $4M per year for a RB.
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johnadams
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This is where the truth is. $4mil in comparison to other backs is not overpriced to keep these traits around. NYG are too smart to dump him unless Wilson shows he makes big strides in the more tangible areas. Plus, NY is positioned to make a run next year again (if they can sort out what happened over the last month) and aren't about to go into 2013 with iffy depth at a critical spot. For the record, here's a quote from Coughlin on Bradshaw after Bradshaw got a bit testy:"There's never been any question about Ahmad Bradshaw's toughness, his intensity level. "He plays the game hard. You know, you like to have everybody play as hard as he does. He gives it everything he's got. And so, you want people to recognize that fact. But sometimes you do have to control yourself and control your emotions. And he's working on it."Most coaches would take the first part of this and deal with the second. Maybe I'm missing something as I'm not real close to the situation, but I have a real hard time seeing Bradshaw gone next year.
bakes
I am the Beer God!
Agreed. He's reasonable at $4M, Wilson still doesn't have Coughlin's 100% trust.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Doubt anyone will want to give up a 4th round pick for him if they tender him even at the original pick level which is $712k by my estimation. They could probably get away with paying him 685k and just having the right of first refusal. When is the last time we have seen a RFA change teams?
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
A RFA with a high tag? Been a while, IIRC.Any RFA at all? 2010 maybe. Pretty sure I recall Mike Bell getting signed away that year, but he may have been the only one...not that he was of much consequence. In '11 I didn't really pay close enough attention to FA so I don't remember if any were signed away from their teams or not. Last year none got signed away, and the "collusion" cries rang out.
netnalp
Footballguy
Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw has another surgery on troublesome right foot
But Bradshaw said the stem-cell treatment wore off about six or seven games into the 2012 season, which coincides with his foot being added to the injury report after the Week 6 win at San Francisco. Bradshaw said at the time he suffered a bone bruise when his foot was stepped on in the game. The new screw is larger, holding in place both fracture spots.
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Some infor on stem cells and fractures
I don't think that it can "wear off". I'm suspecting Bradshaw has a brittle bone issue with his feet.
But Bradshaw said the stem-cell treatment wore off about six or seven games into the 2012 season, which coincides with his foot being added to the injury report after the Week 6 win at San Francisco. Bradshaw said at the time he suffered a bone bruise when his foot was stepped on in the game. The new screw is larger, holding in place both fracture spots.
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Some infor on stem cells and fractures
I don't think that it can "wear off". I'm suspecting Bradshaw has a brittle bone issue with his feet.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Didn't see this coming at all. His contract isn't an issue for his level of production. New injury must be worse than reported.If he's healthy, he won't have issue finding job. I think he's going find a very solid market as a guy with 3 down skills.
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Shutout
Footballguy
If healthy, and might be, but you have to think at the very least other teams will look him over REALLY carefully following his team releasing him right after yet another foot procedure. Giants are a class organization, yet also a business, of course. This seems to have the feel of them KNOWING he can't be what they need him to be so they are doing this very early in order to give him a great chance at landing somewhere else.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Good call JohnnyU. I had no doubt you were right on this one. Coughlin thinks Bradshaw is a punk with a busted foot. No brainier to release him.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Props for eating your crow in a timely fashion.'D said:
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Oof.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
A punk that can't stay healthy...perfect fit for the Lions.
matuski
Footballguy
Reaching pretty hard to hate on Bradshaw. Had to pass up on a lot better targets for your hating than him I'd imagine... odd.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
In order to be a perfect fit for the Lions he'd have to have a few tickets for driving under the influence, a couple marijuana charges, at least one altercation with a teammate and/or coach, and then go on record telling everyone that he's twice as good as Barry Sanders. If he can meet all those requirements then they should definitely sign him.
flapgreen
Footballguy
A punk? Huh
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's not a punk at all - he's known as a class guy and a great teammate. He had a blow up on the sideline in the heat of the moment during a game. So has Tom Brady (screaming at OC Bill O'Brien), Anquan Boldin (screaming at OC Todd Haley) and many many many other players.Injuries are certainly an issue.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Dallas, Green Bay, Detroit, zona, are good options
yeah not sure where the punk talk is coming from.....one of the things I liked about him was the passion he seemed to play with....I wish more players got in their teammates/coaches grill every once in awhile....to me it was more of him looking like he actually gave a #### then being a punk....and Bradshaw isn't the only player in history that maybe only gets in one practice a week and then plays....lots of guys have done that....and if you produce on Sundays (which he usually does) I don't see what the big deal is.....some other people on the team may not like that (including the head coach)....but as long as you bring it on Sundays and don't lay an egg every week....stuff like that may need to be the way it is...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ATL?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Raiders, GB, Atl, SD, Denver ( the more I think of it, the better it sounds!), Indy, NE, Jets
mquinnjr
Footballguy
The guy's 26, and yes he's injury prone. But, that's no guarantee. If the Giants don't re-sign and he comes into a good situation (ATL, Det, AZ, etc. as mentioned above) and the market is down on him for the injury tag, I'd scoop him at the right price without blinking. Based on games played in the past 3 years, he's averaged 1200 all purpose yards and 9 total TD's. If that comes in at the price of a mid-low end 2/high end RB3, sign me the heck up.
matttyl
Footballguy
By my calculation he's averaged 1,422 all purpose yards and 9.5 total TD's (3,735 total yards and 25 TDs in 42 games) when you take his games played the past 3 seasons and extrapolate them over a full 16 game season. He's got skills, and if healthy is really a nice #2 type fantasy back....or at least has been.
