Landing spot is going to be real interesting to watch. If it is somewhere with another capable but underperforming back he might have real strong value next season eg Detroit, Arizona or, gulp, the Jets?Add in he will be playing with a chip on his shoulder larger than the chip on his foot.
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Ahmad Bradshaw's future (1 Viewer)
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
We can agree to disagree. He would have been released regardless of his latest foot issue. Coughlin does not like him, which is why I originally agreed with JohnnyU on his release. He is not a punk of Titus Young stature, but a punk none·the·less.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
And let me just throw in that this was a fantastic move by Coughlin. He knew that Bradshaw would never take kindly to fewer game reps, which was certainly going to happen with Wilson being the healthy rising star. Released before he blew a level-9 gasket. Giants made a brilliant move and saved cap in the process.
Worth noting that there's a nonzero chance he'll return to the Giants (ETA: noted right before I did!):
LinkIn general, I think RBs are going to continue to get treatment like this from smart organizations like the Giants. Young prospects are a dime a dozen; even at first-round prices like David Wilson, they're somewhere around a 50-70% discount to a guy like Bradshaw.
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matttyl
Footballguy
I guess it all depends on your definition of "punk"....he has served jail time in the past.....In 2004, Bradshaw was dismissed from the football team at the University of Virginia after an incident with the law. He pleaded guilty to underage drinking and resisting arrest. After police attempted to break up a party, he fled the scene in an effort to avoid police. The results were two misdemeanor convictions and a probationary sentence. Bradshaw never played a down for the Virginia Cavaliers.During his junior year at Marshall University, Bradshaw was sentenced to two years probation for petty larceny. He stole a PlayStation from another student's dormitory room. Two years later in June 2008, he was sentenced to 60-days in Abingdon Regional Jail for violating probation for a sealed juvenile charge. Bradshaw cut a deal in which he was able to serve his time in the off-season. In 2008, he served 29 days and reported to training camp on time. On February 15, 2009, he surrendered himself to Virginia authorities in order to finish the final 31 days of his sentence.Bradshaw happened to be at the party when Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the thigh. Bradshaw was not aware Burress had a gun.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You got a link or a quote or anything that shows this to be true? We have a third party saying that he is a Coughlin guy. We have both sides saying that the door is open for a healthy Bradshaw. If he was not liked by Coughlin, I doubt the door is open from the Giants.Everything we see on how this has been handled states the opposite. Coughlin hates it when guys miss practice. Bradshaw always missed practice, but he is willing to take the guy back if healthy? Need to read between the lines here and that text does not have any animosith that I'm seeing...
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I must be missing something here. I don't follow NY all that close. Is there bad blood that is blatantly obvious that I don't know about?
mlball77
Footballguy
In one of the Bradshaw/Wilson threads (can’t remember which one), a couple of posters listed some of the possible landing spots for Bradshaw, outside of re-signing with NYG. I think some of the teams mentioned were: PIT, GB, IND, STL (if Jackson is gone) and others.For some reason, the PIT one seems to make decent sense to me, but I had two other thoughts as well. What about NYJ or CIN?With NYJ, if Shonn Greene walks, there could be a void there with only Powell and McKnight remaining. Would a duo of Bradshaw and Powell work there?For CIN, BJGE is a decent player, although a bit of a plodder. Perhaps Bradshaw and BJGE could make a nice committee for the team, if they don’t draft a complement to BJGE this year. I know there are health concerns with Bradshaw, so if he signs at a nice price to serve in a committee role, then the risk will be largely mitigated and in this type of scenario he could really benefit such a team. Thoughts?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Laughing at the idea of TT needing a link or quote to backup what he says. Why should he start now?I must be missing something here. I don't follow NY all that close. Is there bad blood that is blatantly obvious that I don't know about?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Ahhh, that makes much more sense. And also the reason I spend less and less time in the shark pool. It's unbearable when the season starts. Now is about the only time I come in here when the doosh factor is dialed down a bit.Laughing at the idea of TT needing a link or quote to backup what he says. Why should he start now?I must be missing something here. I don't follow NY all that close. Is there bad blood that is blatantly obvious that I don't know about?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
sorry. should have explained when i posted it.Ahhh, that makes much more sense. And also the reason I spend less and less time in the shark pool. It's unbearable when the season starts. Now is about the only time I come in here when the doosh factor is dialed down a bit.Laughing at the idea of TT needing a link or quote to backup what he says. Why should he start now?I must be missing something here. I don't follow NY all that close. Is there bad blood that is blatantly obvious that I don't know about?
Dodge
Footballguy
Coughlin quote:“Ahmad Bradshaw was drafted 250th in a class of 255 and to excel and to perform the way that he has, and to accomplish what he has, is a great tribute to him,” said Head Coach Tom Coughlin. “He is not only an exceptional football player, but he is the epitome of line up and play. Regardless of the circumstances, he’s going to give you everything he’s got. If you give the ball to him, he’s going to get every inch of what is there – and sometimes when it’s not blocked, he still gets it.”“Ahmad Bradshaw has been an incredible part of two world championship teams here,” Coughlin said. “Bradshaw has great toughness. He plays through anything. He doesn’t just talk about playing hurt. He does play hurt. If anyone knows the quality of this man’s pain threshold, all you need to do is watch him on a Monday when he can’t even walk. He gets a little better on Tuesday, a little better on Wednesday. By Thursday his spirits are back up and whether he can or he can’t, he’s telling you he’s practicing on Friday, and he does. And he plays on Sunday. And he goes through the same cycle. He did that for two or three years.”Source: Front page BBI: http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/
Rockchild
Footballguy
One thing that might temper him signing elsewhere is his foot issue and his recent surgery. Teams may want him to take a discount for them to take a chance on a chronic problem(even though he hasn't missed many games because of it).
Did the Giants cut him because of salary? Or is there more to the injury than is being let on? My initial guess is the injury is more serious as his salary and cap hit didn't seem out of line but I may be reading too much into it.
Did the Giants cut him because of salary? Or is there more to the injury than is being let on? My initial guess is the injury is more serious as his salary and cap hit didn't seem out of line but I may be reading too much into it.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And that will likely be the last appearance of TT in this thread. Thanks for closing the book on that Dodge. Now we can get back to actual discourse based in fact rather than fiction.I think the real question, as stated by Rockchild, is that foot. If it heals quick enough, then he might get a contract bigger than what he had with the Giants. But the timing sucks. He needs to be able to work out for teams by mid March. I doubt he can do that. He might be able to pick up with someone after the June cuts, but by that time the teams are usually set against the cap except for bargain basement priced guys. At that point, if he is healthy, the Giants would probably take him at the cheap because he knows the system. Other teams will be less likely to because the learning curve is much longer for him. Brilliant move by the Giants. They will get him back for peanuts as he probably can't work out for teams when FA starts.Depending on how quickly that foot heals after surgery, I highly doubt he is anywhere but with the Giants next year unless he is able to go full speed in about five weeks. The way guys heal, maybe that's a possibility.
netnalp
Footballguy
As someone who follows the Giants, I don't see any evidence that Coughlin doesn't like Bradshaw or Wilson like some have claimed. Wilson saw a significant amount of touches the last few games of the season. Coughlin has been very complimentary of Wilson. When Coughlin doesn't like a player he usually refuses to comment on the guy. He'll say "next question" or something like that.Bradshaw had been in an out of the dog house a couple of years ago due to fumbling and I recall a missed curfew. Other than that it hasn't been a big deal. They wouldn't have left the door open for a possible return when healthy if Coughlin didn't like him.sorry. should have explained when i posted it.Ahhh, that makes much more sense. And also the reason I spend less and less time in the shark pool. It's unbearable when the season starts. Now is about the only time I come in here when the doosh factor is dialed down a bit.Laughing at the idea of TT needing a link or quote to backup what he says. Why should he start now?I must be missing something here. I don't follow NY all that close. Is there bad blood that is blatantly obvious that I don't know about?
Sure, I would have liked to see him get used more. When Bradshaw was able to play, I guess there wasn't much need because pass protection was the most important factor because the Giants weren't able to run the ball.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Nope. I do not have to explain myself to you, nor do I have to provide a link for everything that I say.
Gopher State
Footballguy
dude where's the link that states you don't have to provide a link for everything you say, just asking dude
Disc Shark
Footballguy
Finished that last post for you.'Touchdown There said:
Disc Shark
Footballguy
I think that's a good analysis. A healthy Bradshaw would help nearly every NFL team. A healthy Bradshaw in Denver might lead the league in rushing, if McGahee doesn't return. He's one of my favorite players (in fantasy and real life), but Bradshaw has a lot of hard miles on him. Dodge's quote from Coughlin shows the agony Bradshaw endures to play every week. He's played most of his NFL career hurt - really hurt. For that reason, it seems doubtful that any team looking at Bradshaw as a free agent can count on him to be a #1 bell cow back and pay him big dollar free-agent money. If he recovers from the foot injury and resigns with the Giants, the team will ride the Bradshaw/Wilson time share a real long way.As someone who follows the Giants, I don't see any evidence that Coughlin doesn't like Bradshaw or Wilson like some have claimed. Wilson saw a significant amount of touches the last few games of the season. Coughlin has been very complimentary of Wilson. When Coughlin doesn't like a player he usually refuses to comment on the guy. He'll say "next question" or something like that.Bradshaw had been in an out of the dog house a couple of years ago due to fumbling and I recall a missed curfew. Other than that it hasn't been a big deal. They wouldn't have left the door open for a possible return when healthy if Coughlin didn't like him.sorry. should have explained when i posted it.Ahhh, that makes much more sense. And also the reason I spend less and less time in the shark pool. It's unbearable when the season starts. Now is about the only time I come in here when the doosh factor is dialed down a bit.Laughing at the idea of TT needing a link or quote to backup what he says. Why should he start now?I must be missing something here. I don't follow NY all that close. Is there bad blood that is blatantly obvious that I don't know about?
Sure, I would have liked to see him get used more. When Bradshaw was able to play, I guess there wasn't much need because pass protection was the most important factor because the Giants weren't able to run the ball.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Has he ever really recovered from his feet (plural) injuries?
Disc Shark
Footballguy
No, he hasn't. But up till now he has almost always played through the pain. How long can that last? Maybe if Wilson can take more of the carries, Bradshaw can still be effective and productive without getting beat up so bad.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Which thread isn't the spinoff?
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Bradshaw is respected and a captin. Many Giants player frequently admit that Eli is the leader but that they rely on Tuck and Bradshaw to fire them up. It's football....someone has to do this or the team will be flat.
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Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Most "captins" are not the official ones in my experience. Thats all I meant. Semantics.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
It is not semantics at all. The Giant players vote for their captains every year and Bradshaw has never been one of them.
petenice15
Footballguy
They have a captain of each unit. This is Eli's team, so they'll never take the C away from him, but make no mistake about it, Bradshaw has been a leader on this team for years. He's a good guy and doesn't cause problems. Any team would want 53 guys that play as hard as him on their team. TT is just wrong when it comes to Bradshaw's character.
Detroit has no money to spend on RBs. They will address their dire needs at DE, CB, and safety instead. At least I hope
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Holy ####, a link. Still doesn't back up that crap you said earlier and got absolutely owned on. I mean he made you look like a fool. But then when you say you don't need to back up anything you say, that is a foregone conclusion right.'Touchdown There said:
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Bradshaw is a punk.
netnalp
Footballguy
He had issues in college but hasn't been a big problem while with the Giants. He had a missed curfew and a shouting match with Coughlin during a game. I wouldn't call him a punk from that. I get the impression, you don't like Bradshaw because of a team he's played on in the NFL, College or High School. Or you knew Bradshaw when he was a kid.Bradshaw's legal issues from wikipedia:In 2004, Bradshaw was dismissed from the football team at the University of Virginia after an incident with the law. He pleaded guilty to underage drinking and resisting arrest. After police attempted to break up a party, he fled the scene in an effort to avoid police. The results were two misdemeanor convictions and a probationary sentence. Bradshaw never played a down for the Virginia Cavaliers.During his junior year at Marshall University, Bradshaw was sentenced to two years probation for petty larceny. He stole a PlayStation from another student's dormitory room. Two years later in June 2008, he was sentenced to 60-days in Abingdon Regional Jail for violating probation for a sealed juvenile charge. Bradshaw cut a deal in which he was able to serve his time in the off-season. In 2008, he served 29 days and reported to training camp on time. On February 15, 2009, he surrendered himself to Virginia authorities in order to finish the final 31 days of his sentence.Bradshaw happened to be at the party when Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the thigh. Bradshaw was not aware Burress had a gun.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Giants have one offensive captain, one defensive captain and one special teams captain. So the fact that Eli Manning is named captain over Bradsahw is meaningless.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Ignore the punk who keeps talking about guys being punks without backing it up.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I am going to ignore the punk who calls other people punks, who called an NFL player a punk. Then I am going to watch some Punky Brewster.Some good questions to chew on. Why did Bradshaw do two 30-day jail stints for probation violation of something that happened six years before as a juvenile offense? Six years of probation? Must be something minor.What about all the times him and Jacobs used to laugh on the sidelines after the coaches were on their butt for x,y or z?How many good guys get kicked out of college?Who really runs from the cops? Better yet, how does an NFL caliber RB get caught after running from the police?Would you hang out with a guy that may steal your cell phone?The concept of "team" to Bradshaw means to yell at the head coach to give him the ball, even though he missed practice all week in the training room. The guy runs hard, but he is the exact opposite kind of guy you want on your team as a coach. He is a punk, and that is why he was a seventh round draft choice and released by the Giants with two years left on his contract.Sorry you have him on your fantasy team, but real Giants fans should be excited about the David Wilson era.
