AL Cy Young (1 Viewer)

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um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

 

[wilked]

um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

Sabathia has better control (i.e. better walk rate)

 

[guru_007]

um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?this is the weakest argument I think I've ever heard.For the umpteenth time, each are deserving. I don't think there is a significant argument for either to win. One is going to win though. I agree that it will be Beckett, but it's not because of his looks.

 

[Capella]

"well-groomed"

 

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um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you really this dense or do you just play it on TV?There is no denying that the 20-win barrier is significant achievement in the eyes of Cy voters.... ESPECIALLY when there is only one player that crosses that barrier. There was a post earlier in this thread that said that pitcher won over 90% of the time or something like that. And yes.... while it's a VERY minor factor.... I DO believe that CC being a fat slob who can't even wear his hat straight hurts him if all other things were equal (which they're not). Laugh all you want.. being a media friendly guy can help in this sort of thing.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you really this dense or do you just play it on TV?There is no denying that the 20-win barrier is significant achievement in the eyes of Cy voters.... ESPECIALLY when there is only one player that crosses that barrier. There was a post earlier in this thread that said that pitcher won over 90% of the time or something like that. And yes.... while it's a VERY minor factor.... I DO believe that CC being a fat slob who can't even wear his hat straight hurts him if all other things were equal (which they're not). Laugh all you want.. being a media friendly guy can help in this sort of thing.

So you're saying it's a race thing...

 

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um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you really this dense or do you just play it on TV?There is no denying that the 20-win barrier is significant achievement in the eyes of Cy voters.... ESPECIALLY when there is only one player that crosses that barrier. There was a post earlier in this thread that said that pitcher won over 90% of the time or something like that. And yes.... while it's a VERY minor factor.... I DO believe that CC being a fat slob who can't even wear his hat straight hurts him if all other things were equal (which they're not). Laugh all you want.. being a media friendly guy can help in this sort of thing.

So you're saying it's a race thing...

Yes that's exactly it

 

[Bobcat10]

Fat slob and the way he dresses (his hat)? You kidding me? Should we see who is more active in their communities too? Should we see who has more hair on their chest? Should we see who is a better father?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you really this dense or do you just play it on TV?There is no denying that the 20-win barrier is significant achievement in the eyes of Cy voters.... ESPECIALLY when there is only one player that crosses that barrier. There was a post earlier in this thread that said that pitcher won over 90% of the time or something like that. And yes.... while it's a VERY minor factor.... I DO believe that CC being a fat slob who can't even wear his hat straight hurts him if all other things were equal (which they're not). Laugh all you want.. being a media friendly guy can help in this sort of thing.

So you're saying it's a race thing...

Yes that's exactly it

Now that's a reason I can believe...

 

[shadyridr]

Now just imagine Beckett was black

 

[posty]

Now just imagine Beckett was black

He probably wouldn't be in Boston...

 

[Capella]

Now just imagine Beckett was black

He probably wouldn't be in Boston...

 

[RenoHightower]

um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

Wow. Time to take a step back Mr. Insoxicated.

 

[Sammy3469]

Now just imagine Beckett was black

He probably wouldn't be in Boston...

I agree with Cypella

 

[ThisGuy]

Now just imagine Beckett was black

He probably wouldn't be in Boston...

I agree with Cypella

 

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Now just imagine Beckett was black

He probably wouldn't be in Boston...

 

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um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

Wow. Time to take a step back Mr. Insoxicated.

Maybe.. maybe not. We'll see

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you really this dense or do you just play it on TV?There is no denying that the 20-win barrier is significant achievement in the eyes of Cy voters.... ESPECIALLY when there is only one player that crosses that barrier. There was a post earlier in this thread that said that pitcher won over 90% of the time or something like that. And yes.... while it's a VERY minor factor.... I DO believe that CC being a fat slob who can't even wear his hat straight hurts him if all other things were equal (which they're not). Laugh all you want.. being a media friendly guy can help in this sort of thing.

So you're saying it's a race thing...

Yes that's exactly it

Jesus Christ, get out of this thread before you have an Imus moment.Beckett with polished looks? He looks like a beefier Bret from Flight of the Conchords. Looks, seriously?And I think Beckett should win, but this line of reasoning is trainwreck theater.

 

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um, the guys with the better stats don't always win the award. usually, but not always.

Well let's look at things outside the nitpicky stats:• Both teams won the division• Beckett broke the magic "20 win barrier" when no other pitcher did• Beckett plays for a team with much more national exposure• Beckett is more media-friendly (ie professional looking / well groomed) (small factor but one nonetheless)• Beckett has been NAILS down the stretch and has halted several skids recently. Sabathia ONLY has "more innings and more strikeouts (though a weaker K/9 rate) in his favor. That's it.

so basically your saying Beckett should win because of "magic" and looks?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you really this dense or do you just play it on TV?There is no denying that the 20-win barrier is significant achievement in the eyes of Cy voters.... ESPECIALLY when there is only one player that crosses that barrier. There was a post earlier in this thread that said that pitcher won over 90% of the time or something like that. And yes.... while it's a VERY minor factor.... I DO believe that CC being a fat slob who can't even wear his hat straight hurts him if all other things were equal (which they're not). Laugh all you want.. being a media friendly guy can help in this sort of thing.

So you're saying it's a race thing...

Yes that's exactly it

Jesus Christ, get out of this thread before you have an Imus moment.Beckett with polished looks? He looks like a beefier Bret from Flight of the Conchords. Looks, seriously?And I think Beckett should win, but this line of reasoning is trainwreck theater.

I also think his brand of cologne will play a significant factor. Someone needs a slumpbuster. Easy big fella.. it's gonna be alright. Drop the sarcasm detector in for a tuneup while you're at it if you seriously believed my "Yes Exactly" comments

 

[posty]

One writers choices...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmNf...o&type=lgns

AL CY YOUNG AWARD:

Josh Beckett, Boston Red Sox. He's the American League's first to win 20 games since Bartolo Colon won 21 – and the Cy Young Award – for the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, and the first for the Red Sox since Curt Schilling (21) in 2004. Beckett benefited greatly from the 6.66 runs per start the Red Sox scored for him, about a run more per game than received by C.C. Sabathia, two runs more than Fausto Carmona, and a run-and-a-half more than John Lackey. Still, he was in the top five in WHIP and ERA, and the top 10 in strikeouts and quality starts. At the end of last season, the impression of Beckett in Boston was that he was a "stuff" guy who wouldn’t think his way through a game, and therefore, in the absence of Martinez and the aging of Curt Schilling, would never be the ace the Red Sox needed. Now he's the ace.

FIRST RUNNER-UP:

C.C. Sabathia, Cleveland Indians. Sabathia had his best season, setting career highs in wins, starts, innings, strikeouts and, assuming no troubles in his final start Friday, will establish bests in ERA and walks. The Indians offense didn't always treat Sabathia well: In seven starts from July 24 to August 24, Sabathia allowed 12 earned runs, and his record in those starts was 1-3. He matched up against Johan Santana three times, twice in the final five weeks, and won all three games. For a big, left-handed guy, Sabathia has uncommon command, with a strikeout-to-walk ratio (5.69) better than all AL starters.

SECOND RUNNER-UP:

Fausto Carmona, Cleveland Indians. Carmona underwent one of the astonishing one-year makeovers in memory, turning a forgettable 2006 season (1-10, 5.42 ERA) into a Cy Young candidacy. At 23, the Dominican right-hander won 18 games and had a league-leading 3.03 ERA. He won early (4-0 in May), he won late (4-0 in September) and he won in the middle (5-1 in July), turning a sinker-slider-changeup repertoire into a league-high 415 ground balls.

HONORABLE MENTION:

John Lackey, Los Angeles Angels; Dan Haren, Oakland A's; Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers; Chien-Ming Wang, New York Yankees; Erik Bedard, Baltimore Orioles; Johan Santana, Minnesota Twins; J.J. Putz, Seattle Mariners.

 

[RedRaiders]

One writers choices...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmNf...o&type=lgns

AL CY YOUNG AWARD:

Josh Beckett, Boston Red Sox. He's the American League's first to win 20 games since Bartolo Colon won 21 – and the Cy Young Award – for the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, and the first for the Red Sox since Curt Schilling (21) in 2004. Beckett benefited greatly from the 6.66 runs per start the Red Sox scored for him, about a run more per game than received by C.C. Sabathia, two runs more than Fausto Carmona, and a run-and-a-half more than John Lackey. Still, he was in the top five in WHIP and ERA, and the top 10 in strikeouts and quality starts. At the end of last season, the impression of Beckett in Boston was that he was a "stuff" guy who wouldn’t think his way through a game, and therefore, in the absence of Martinez and the aging of Curt Schilling, would never be the ace the Red Sox needed. Now he's the ace.

FIRST RUNNER-UP:

C.C. Sabathia, Cleveland Indians. Sabathia had his best season, setting career highs in wins, starts, innings, strikeouts and, assuming no troubles in his final start Friday, will establish bests in ERA and walks. The Indians offense didn't always treat Sabathia well: In seven starts from July 24 to August 24, Sabathia allowed 12 earned runs, and his record in those starts was 1-3. He matched up against Johan Santana three times, twice in the final five weeks, and won all three games. For a big, left-handed guy, Sabathia has uncommon command, with a strikeout-to-walk ratio (5.69) better than all AL starters.

The bolded is very impressive.

 

[whoknew]

One writers choices...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmNf...o&type=lgns

AL CY YOUNG AWARD:

Josh Beckett, Boston Red Sox. He's the American League's first to win 20 games since Bartolo Colon won 21 – and the Cy Young Award – for the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, and the first for the Red Sox since Curt Schilling (21) in 2004. Beckett benefited greatly from the 6.66 runs per start the Red Sox scored for him, about a run more per game than received by C.C. Sabathia, two runs more than Fausto Carmona, and a run-and-a-half more than John Lackey. Still, he was in the top five in WHIP and ERA, and the top 10 in strikeouts and quality starts. At the end of last season, the impression of Beckett in Boston was that he was a "stuff" guy who wouldn’t think his way through a game, and therefore, in the absence of Martinez and the aging of Curt Schilling, would never be the ace the Red Sox needed. Now he's the ace.

This is unbelievable. He admits that Beckett wasn't the best pitcher but because he got such huge run support, he should win the Cy Young. Unreal.

 

[shadyridr]

One writers choices...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmNf...o&type=lgns

AL CY YOUNG AWARD:

Josh Beckett, Boston Red Sox. He's the American League's first to win 20 games since Bartolo Colon won 21 – and the Cy Young Award – for the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, and the first for the Red Sox since Curt Schilling (21) in 2004. Beckett benefited greatly from the 6.66 runs per start the Red Sox scored for him, about a run more per game than received by C.C. Sabathia, two runs more than Fausto Carmona, and a run-and-a-half more than John Lackey. Still, he was in the top five in WHIP and ERA, and the top 10 in strikeouts and quality starts. At the end of last season, the impression of Beckett in Boston was that he was a "stuff" guy who wouldn’t think his way through a game, and therefore, in the absence of Martinez and the aging of Curt Schilling, would never be the ace the Red Sox needed. Now he's the ace.

This is unbelievable. He admits that Beckett wasn't the best pitcher but because he got such huge run support, he should win the Cy Young. Unreal.

Where the hell did you read that he admits Beckett wasnt the best pitcher? Did you just pull that out of thin air. He only said he had 1 more run of run support than Sabathia

 

[Your Mother]

One writers choices...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmNf...o&type=lgns

AL CY YOUNG AWARD:

Josh Beckett, Boston Red Sox. He's the American League's first to win 20 games since Bartolo Colon won 21 – and the Cy Young Award – for the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, and the first for the Red Sox since Curt Schilling (21) in 2004. Beckett benefited greatly from the 6.66 runs per start the Red Sox scored for him, about a run more per game than received by C.C. Sabathia, two runs more than Fausto Carmona, and a run-and-a-half more than John Lackey. Still, he was in the top five in WHIP and ERA, and the top 10 in strikeouts and quality starts. At the end of last season, the impression of Beckett in Boston was that he was a "stuff" guy who wouldn’t think his way through a game, and therefore, in the absence of Martinez and the aging of Curt Schilling, would never be the ace the Red Sox needed. Now he's the ace.

FIRST RUNNER-UP:

C.C. Sabathia, Cleveland Indians. Sabathia had his best season, setting career highs in wins, starts, innings, strikeouts and, assuming no troubles in his final start Friday, will establish bests in ERA and walks. The Indians offense didn't always treat Sabathia well: In seven starts from July 24 to August 24, Sabathia allowed 12 earned runs, and his record in those starts was 1-3. He matched up against Johan Santana three times, twice in the final five weeks, and won all three games. For a big, left-handed guy, Sabathia has uncommon command, with a strikeout-to-walk ratio (5.69) better than all AL starters.

The bolded is very impressive.

Incredibly filthy.Crooked Cap Fatbathia should win, Beckett most likely will win, because he's handsome and because of magic.

 

[Your Mother]

Beckett handsomeness not working tonight.

 

[The foo]

Beckett handsomeness not working tonight.

 

[RenoHightower]

One writers choices...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmNf...o&type=lgns

AL CY YOUNG AWARD:

Josh Beckett, Boston Red Sox. He's the American League's first to win 20 games since Bartolo Colon won 21 – and the Cy Young Award – for the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, and the first for the Red Sox since Curt Schilling (21) in 2004. Beckett benefited greatly from the 6.66 runs per start the Red Sox scored for him, about a run more per game than received by C.C. Sabathia, two runs more than Fausto Carmona, and a run-and-a-half more than John Lackey. Still, he was in the top five in WHIP and ERA, and the top 10 in strikeouts and quality starts. At the end of last season, the impression of Beckett in Boston was that he was a "stuff" guy who wouldn’t think his way through a game, and therefore, in the absence of Martinez and the aging of Curt Schilling, would never be the ace the Red Sox needed. Now he's the ace.

FIRST RUNNER-UP:

C.C. Sabathia, Cleveland Indians. Sabathia had his best season, setting career highs in wins, starts, innings, strikeouts and, assuming no troubles in his final start Friday, will establish bests in ERA and walks. The Indians offense didn't always treat Sabathia well: In seven starts from July 24 to August 24, Sabathia allowed 12 earned runs, and his record in those starts was 1-3. He matched up against Johan Santana three times, twice in the final five weeks, and won all three games. For a big, left-handed guy, Sabathia has uncommon command, with a strikeout-to-walk ratio (5.69) better than all AL starters.

The bolded is very impressive.

Incredibly filthy.Crooked Cap Fatbathia should win, Beckett most likely will win, because he's handsome and because of magic.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

from RotoWire

Josh Beckett struggled through six innings Thursday, giving up five runs and 10 hits in a loss to the Twins.Beckett just didn't have his best stuff while giving up multiple homers for just the third time this season. The poor outing makes it more likely that C.C. Sabathia gets the Cy Young Award he deserves. Beckett finishes 20-7 with a 3.27 ERA. The last frame pitched meant he did not become just the third pitcher ever to win 20 games without throwing 200 innings. He finished at 200 2/3.

if Sabathia dominates today, might steal some votes.

 

[Sammy3469]

from RotoWire

Josh Beckett struggled through six innings Thursday, giving up five runs and 10 hits in a loss to the Twins.Beckett just didn't have his best stuff while giving up multiple homers for just the third time this season. The poor outing makes it more likely that C.C. Sabathia gets the Cy Young Award he deserves. Beckett finishes 20-7 with a 3.27 ERA. The last frame pitched meant he did not become just the third pitcher ever to win 20 games without throwing 200 innings. He finished at 200 2/3.

if Sabathia dominates today, might steal some votes.

Problem is, no one in the baseball world is even paying much if any attention to the AL right now with the cluster##!@#@# in the NL.

 

[guru_007]

from RotoWire

Josh Beckett struggled through six innings Thursday, giving up five runs and 10 hits in a loss to the Twins.Beckett just didn't have his best stuff while giving up multiple homers for just the third time this season. The poor outing makes it more likely that C.C. Sabathia gets the Cy Young Award he deserves. Beckett finishes 20-7 with a 3.27 ERA. The last frame pitched meant he did not become just the third pitcher ever to win 20 games without throwing 200 innings. He finished at 200 2/3.

if Sabathia dominates today, might steal some votes.

Problem is, no one in the baseball world is even paying much if any attention to the AL right now with the cluster##!@#@# in the NL.

I just dropped Beckett's sorry ### for Jake Westbrook

 

[Alias]

from RotoWire

Josh Beckett struggled through six innings Thursday, giving up five runs and 10 hits in a loss to the Twins.Beckett just didn't have his best stuff while giving up multiple homers for just the third time this season. The poor outing makes it more likely that C.C. Sabathia gets the Cy Young Award he deserves. Beckett finishes 20-7 with a 3.27 ERA. The last frame pitched meant he did not become just the third pitcher ever to win 20 games without throwing 200 innings. He finished at 200 2/3.

if Sabathia dominates today, might steal some votes.

Problem is, no one in the baseball world is even paying much if any attention to the AL right now with the cluster##!@#@# in the NL.

According to BP Postseason Odds:26.1% chance of a tie. Since the Diamondbacks and Rockies play each other for three games, there is no way the two of them can finish in a tie, so there is no chance of a three-way tie in the West and so no chance ofa five-way tie for the Wild Card.Average wins by NL Wild Card: 89.5There is a 67.7% chance of a tie for the Wild Card spot, with a 12.7% chance of a three-way tie and a 6.5%chance of a four-way tie.

 

[Sammy3469]

from RotoWire

Josh Beckett struggled through six innings Thursday, giving up five runs and 10 hits in a loss to the Twins.Beckett just didn't have his best stuff while giving up multiple homers for just the third time this season. The poor outing makes it more likely that C.C. Sabathia gets the Cy Young Award he deserves. Beckett finishes 20-7 with a 3.27 ERA. The last frame pitched meant he did not become just the third pitcher ever to win 20 games without throwing 200 innings. He finished at 200 2/3.

if Sabathia dominates today, might steal some votes.

Problem is, no one in the baseball world is even paying much if any attention to the AL right now with the cluster##!@#@# in the NL.

According to BP Postseason Odds:26.1% chance of a tie. Since the Diamondbacks and Rockies play each other for three games, there is no way the two of them can finish in a tie, so there is no chance of a three-way tie in the West and so no chance ofa five-way tie for the Wild Card.Average wins by NL Wild Card: 89.5There is a 67.7% chance of a tie for the Wild Card spot, with a 12.7% chance of a three-way tie and a 6.5%chance of a four-way tie.

Four Way Tie Please

 

[wilked]

I understand October is not factored in....but can anyone really say at this point that Beckett does not deserve the 'best pitcher in the AL in 2007' award?

 

[Bobcat10]

I understand October is not factored in....but can anyone really say at this point that Beckett does not deserve the 'best pitcher in the AL in 2007' award?

When you don't factor in October, yes.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I understand October is not factored in....but can anyone really say at this point that Beckett does not deserve the 'best pitcher in the AL in 2007' award?

I don't think you understand what "October is not factored in" means...

 

[nase]

It's like witnessing footage of the criminal on tape, footage not being admitted into evidence, and then having to decide the case. Are you really going to block the footage out of your mind?

NO.

I just wonder if some voters will go with CC just because they think that others will unfairly sway toward Beckett because of postseason success. Doesn't really matter anyway because we all know who the best pitcher is in baseball right now, award or no award.

 

[wadegarrett]

It's like witnessing footage of the criminal on tape, footage not being admitted into evidence, and then having to decide the case. Are you really going to block the footage out of your mind?NO.I just wonder if some voters will go with CC just because they think that others will unfairly sway toward Beckett because of postseason success. Doesn't really matter anyway because we all know who the best pitcher is in baseball right now, award or no award.

Is this your first year watching baseball?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Sabathia wins this.

btw, any non-Boston homers think Beckett is a "lock"?

Im a Yankee fan and I think Beckett is a lock

If the Sox win the division Beckett walks with this. IF not.. it's close.

Not a chance.... with the Sox about to clinch the division and Beckett going for his 21st win on Thursday... Beckett = AL Cy Young

I think its almost laughable that you guys think Sabathia will get the award over Beckett. I also think its a lock for Beckett

great calls guys!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I guess being handsome, well-groomed, and white isn't as important as some thought it was.

maybe there aren't enough chicks voting on these awards.

 

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I guess being handsome, well-groomed, and white isn't as important as some thought it was.

Lucky for you GB

 

[Capella]

"well-groomed"

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I guess being handsome, well-groomed, and white isn't as important as some thought it was.

Lucky for you GB

I'm not white?

 

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I guess being handsome, well-groomed, and white isn't as important as some thought it was.

Lucky for you GB

I'm not white?

.... nor particularly swift apparently

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I guess being handsome, well-groomed, and white isn't as important as some thought it was.

Lucky for you GB

I'm not white?

.... nor particularly swift apparently

got any more stone cold locks for us?

 

[wilked]

Say what you will, but there are only two contestants here...Beckett and Sabathia

here they are compared

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_s...=XXXX277417bosX

VORP

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/s....php?cid=204030

No one can really deny that Sabathia was the most valuable pitcher in baseball...he pitched, by far, the most innings in all of baseball, at an extremely high level. That said, the argument is strong that Beckett was the better pitcher, inning by inning. The chart below shows a number of pitching stats. I took the liberty to highligh green where Beckett was stronger

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2055/untitledvc0.jpg

It is close, no doubt, but Beckett outpitched Sabathia inning by inning. The only question, then, becomes, how much are Sabathia's 40 extra innings worth? If you consider the Cy the most valuable pitcher award, then CC is your man. If you consider it the best pitcher award (allowing for some minimum innings pitched requirement, etc) then I think Beckett is your man. Either way, both are well deserving of the award

 

[Pat Patriot]

Say what you will, but there are only two contestants here...Beckett and Sabathia

here they are compared

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_s...=XXXX277417bosX

VORP

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/s....php?cid=204030

No one can really deny that Sabathia was the most valuable pitcher in baseball...he pitched, by far, the most innings in all of baseball, at an extremely high level. That said, the argument is strong that Beckett was the better pitcher, inning by inning. The chart below shows a number of pitching stats. I took the liberty to highligh green where Beckett was stronger

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2055/untitledvc0.jpg

It is close, no doubt, but Beckett outpitched Sabathia inning by inning. The only question, then, becomes, how much are Sabathia's 40 extra innings worth? If you consider the Cy the most valuable pitcher award, then CC is your man. If you consider it the best pitcher award (allowing for some minimum innings pitched requirement, etc) then I think Beckett is your man. Either way, both are well deserving of the award

Is it really that good a posting seeing as the voting wasnt really all that close...

 

[pigskin pimp]

Say what you will, but there are only two contestants here...Beckett and Sabathia

here they are compared

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_s...=XXXX277417bosX

VORP

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/s....php?cid=204030

No one can really deny that Sabathia was the most valuable pitcher in baseball...he pitched, by far, the most innings in all of baseball, at an extremely high level. That said, the argument is strong that Beckett was the better pitcher, inning by inning. The chart below shows a number of pitching stats. I took the liberty to highligh green where Beckett was stronger

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2055/untitledvc0.jpg

It is close, no doubt, but Beckett outpitched Sabathia inning by inning. The only question, then, becomes, how much are Sabathia's 40 extra innings worth? If you consider the Cy the most valuable pitcher award, then CC is your man. If you consider it the best pitcher award (allowing for some minimum innings pitched requirement, etc) then I think Beckett is your man. Either way, both are well deserving of the award

This thread is hilarious. From stone cold locks to discussing the grooming habits of the contenders to really bad puns and people cracking up over those puns.This is why I keep coming back.

BTW, the self imposed good posting that Wilked did, was the icing on the cake. Seriously, guy, you went Switzerland on this one. Never made a call, and gave yourself a good posting.