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[Ron_Mexico]

Alex Smith - QB - 49ers

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the 49ers and free agent Alex Smith are "in the process of finalizing a deal" that will pay the quarterback roughly $8 million per season.

The two sides are still firming guaranteed money, though the initial numbers suggest the 49ers haven't budged since their take-it-or-leave-it offer of $24 million over three years. Smith lost all leverage once the Dolphins signed David Garrard to compete for their starting job.

 

[identikit]

per Michael Lombardi:

The @49ers and QB Alex Smith agree to terms on a new contract,

 

[cstu]

They just can't quit this guy, can't they?

 

[jurb26]

No surprise, both parties need each other pretty badly at this point. Smith could be a sneaky value in fantasy with the added weapons.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I think most SF fans will welcome him back. Here's hoping he has another solid year in real life. Fantasy...eh...it'll have to be a really deep league for me to give a damn.

 

[identikit]

per Eric Branch, 49ers beat reporter:

#49ers Alex Smith on his FA visit to Dolphins: "I’d never been to Miami Beach. And I thought it was a good way to go see it."

 

[drummer]

They just can't quit this guy, can't they?

http://49ersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/alexjim.jpg

 

[drummer]

I think most SF fans will welcome him back. Here's hoping he has another solid year in real life. Fantasy...eh...it'll have to be a really deep league for me to give a damn.

Not really.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I think most SF fans will welcome him back. Here's hoping he has another solid year in real life. Fantasy...eh...it'll have to be a really deep league for me to give a damn.

Not really.

Yes, really. Not too many folks are going to be excited about it but it's largely met with a We know you think they should cut ties with him, he has no spine for coming back to SF, and so on and so forth. Good for you.

 

[drummer]

I think most SF fans will welcome him back. Here's hoping he has another solid year in real life. Fantasy...eh...it'll have to be a really deep league for me to give a damn.

Not really.

Yes, really. Not too many folks are going to be excited about it but it's largely met with a We know you think they should cut ties with him, he has no spine for coming back to SF, and so on and so forth. Good for you.

Nope. I guess you didn't hear Bay Area radio this past week.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I think most SF fans will welcome him back. Here's hoping he has another solid year in real life. Fantasy...eh...it'll have to be a really deep league for me to give a damn.

Not really.

Yes, really. Not too many folks are going to be excited about it but it's largely met with a We know you think they should cut ties with him, he has no spine for coming back to SF, and so on and so forth. Good for you.

Nope. I guess you didn't hear Bay Area radio this past week.

Cool. We disagree then. I don't put much stock in talk radio. They need to keep listeners interested. It's hard to get excited about Smith. Even his supporters have a 'meh' attitude. That doesn't translate well to radio. He's as exciting as uncooked tofu. Really the only angle to take is something along the lines of 'omg we're so close to the Super Bowl and need to upgrade from Dilfer 2.0'.

 

[drummer]

I think most SF fans will welcome him back. Here's hoping he has another solid year in real life. Fantasy...eh...it'll have to be a really deep league for me to give a damn.

Not really.

Yes, really. Not too many folks are going to be excited about it but it's largely met with a We know you think they should cut ties with him, he has no spine for coming back to SF, and so on and so forth. Good for you.

Nope. I guess you didn't hear Bay Area radio this past week.

Cool. We disagree then. I don't put much stock in talk radio. They need to keep listeners interested. It's hard to get excited about Smith. Even his supporters have a 'meh' attitude. That doesn't translate well to radio. He's as exciting as uncooked tofu. Really the only angle to take is something along the lines of 'omg we're so close to the Super Bowl and need to upgrade from Dilfer 2.0'.

Most fans were ready to roll with Kaep, and still want to see Kaep push for the starting job. Smith got his 16.5 guaranteed, which makes him the de-facto starter no matter how poor 3rd down and RZ are. I dunno where you got your "most fans" data from. Maybe your sources at the more credible 49erWebzone? They think Smith is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Most fans were ready to roll with Kaep, and still want to see Kaep push for the starting job. Smith got his 16.5 guaranteed, which makes him the de-facto starter no matter how poor 3rd down and RZ are. I dunno where you got your "most fans" data from. Maybe your sources at the more credible 49erWebzone? They think Smith is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.

Gotcha. When it's fans on various forums they don't count. When it's from a poll at the San Francisco Chronicle of over 1,000 people it doesn't count. But when it's guys on the radio they count.

 

[drummer]

Most fans were ready to roll with Kaep, and still want to see Kaep push for the starting job. Smith got his 16.5 guaranteed, which makes him the de-facto starter no matter how poor 3rd down and RZ are. I dunno where you got your "most fans" data from. Maybe your sources at the more credible 49erWebzone? They think Smith is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.

Gotcha. When it's fans on various forums they don't count. When it's from a poll at the San Francisco Chronicle of over 1,000 people it doesn't count. But when it's guys on the radio they count.

LOL, you ever read the comments section of a Lynch blog post? Of course you do. I can tell that by your posts. Guess how many fans thought Singletary was the right HC dude. Love your data points!

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Most fans were ready to roll with Kaep, and still want to see Kaep push for the starting job. Smith got his 16.5 guaranteed, which makes him the de-facto starter no matter how poor 3rd down and RZ are. I dunno where you got your "most fans" data from. Maybe your sources at the more credible 49erWebzone? They think Smith is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.

Gotcha. When it's fans on various forums they don't count. When it's from a poll at the San Francisco Chronicle of over 1,000 people it doesn't count. But when it's guys on the radio they count.

LOL, you ever read the comments section of a Lynch blog post? Of course you do. I can tell that by your posts. Guess how many fans thought Singletary was the right HC dude. Love your data points!

Cool. The San Francisco Chronicle did a poll with over 1,000 fans. Alex Smith won. The various Niner forums want Smith to come back (and while there are a few trolls who have crazy beliefs for/against Alex most are reasonable). But you wrote LOL. Clearly yours is a dizzying intellect. Please tell us all about your friends at various media outlets and offer to ask their opinion but never actually follow through when called out. Or go off on tangents about the history of SF's quarterbacks and pretend that relates to things somehow. I'll admit you hooked me. I'm generally pretty good at avoiding your bait so kudos on this one.

 

[johnadams]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year.

Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

 

[drummer]

Most fans were ready to roll with Kaep, and still want to see Kaep push for the starting job. Smith got his 16.5 guaranteed, which makes him the de-facto starter no matter how poor 3rd down and RZ are. I dunno where you got your "most fans" data from. Maybe your sources at the more credible 49erWebzone? They think Smith is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.

Gotcha. When it's fans on various forums they don't count. When it's from a poll at the San Francisco Chronicle of over 1,000 people it doesn't count. But when it's guys on the radio they count.

LOL, you ever read the comments section of a Lynch blog post? Of course you do. I can tell that by your posts. Guess how many fans thought Singletary was the right HC dude. Love your data points!

Cool. The San Francisco Chronicle did a poll with over 1,000 fans. Alex Smith won. The various Niner forums want Smith to come back (and while there are a few trolls who have crazy beliefs for/against Alex most are reasonable). But you wrote LOL. Clearly yours is a dizzying intellect. Please tell us all about your friends at various media outlets and offer to ask their opinion but never actually follow through when called out. Or go off on tangents about the history of SF's quarterbacks and pretend that relates to things somehow. I'll admit you hooked me. I'm generally pretty good at avoiding your bait so kudos on this one.

Hey, do you remember Ann Killion saying "Singletary was the right HC for the 49ers"? There is your newspaper press bro. BTW, holy crap your shtick is smelling up the bed. How many times I have to correct you on the team you supposedly root for? ETA: think about a click from a mouse, then a call and wait for an answer on the radio. Think about it. Oh wait!

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year.



Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Especially the bolded. Ho hum is right about this signing. But I agree Kaepernick did not look good last year. He was a rookie, limited camp, and so on and so forth. Plenty of reasons to excuse how lousy he looked but the bottom line is he didn't look good. If Harbaugh went with him this season I'd believe he was ready. But I agree this indicates he's still a ways from the starting job (if he ever wins it).

 

[johnadams]

Hey, do you remember Ann Killion saying "Singletary was the right HC for the 49ers"? There is your newspaper press bro.

I know I shouldn't jump into this, but Ann Killion is a total idiot, just like 90% of the sports media in the Bay Area. I'm still waiting at Matt Maiacco to start his annual "Josh Morgan is the best player in camp" routine even though JM isn't on the team anymore.

 

[drummer]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

 

[drummer]

Hey, do you remember Ann Killion saying "Singletary was the right HC for the 49ers"? There is your newspaper press bro.

I know I shouldn't jump into this, but Ann Killion is a total idiot, just like 90% of the sports media in the Bay Area. I'm still waiting at Matt Maiacco to start his annual "Josh Morgan is the best player in camp" routine even though JM isn't on the team anymore.

Well of course. That's why I pointed out how bad the Bay Area press has been over the past few years. At least I can deal with Ira Miller's old shtick.

 

[Fanatics]

This is why most people stay away from Smith threads. All that ends up happening is name calling and disagreement which ruins the thread. It is the same in the Niner forums, Maiocco's Blog, and here in the best forum going. Please give it a rest, it is not a political debate, it is football. So some people love alex and some hate him...who cares.

 

[drummer]

This is why most people stay away from Smith threads. All that ends up happening is name calling and disagreement which ruins the thread. It is the same in the Niner forums, Maiocco's Blog, and here in the best forum going. Please give it a rest, it is not a political debate, it is football. So some people love alex and some hate him...who cares.

Remember the old Joe vs. Steve debate? A lot of that was played out on radio. Ask Dr. Awesome.

 

[johnadams]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

 

[drummer]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

Well if they had gotten Andy Dalton (who IMO is who they should have traded up more for) instead of Kaep then this whole point may be moot. But Kaep is supposedly Harbaugh's guy, and given the whole "In Harbaugh We Trust" mantra of 49er fans, it's just a matter of what we and more importantly they see how much Kaep has come along in the off-season. Kaep has been tweeting that he wants the #1 job and is working at getting it. If he is what Harbaugh thinks he is (and it's clear Smith may not be the QBOTF anyway) and Smith sputters the offense again, the 49ers may need to make a change. There have been reports Harbaugh wanted to get Kaep more involved last season. I think Harbaugh has brought up an open competition at the spot, but alas maybe Smith's guaranteed $$ has that moot as well. Smith has basically improved from his 2006 performance. Outside of the INTs, not much difference in the overall stats, and the low INTs are more coaching philosophy than performance given the poor passing offense, 3rd down and RZ stats, etc. I think 17 tds out of the backups is easier than we think. Will the INTs increase? They will with Smith anyway since he can't get away with taking sacks or dumping off with the new weapons at WR.

 

[Wingnut]

This thread should be merged into the offseason thread. No reason for an Alex Smith thread.

Hey, I just made a triple threader.

 

[5Rings]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Excellent

 

[5Rings]

This is why most people stay away from Smith threads. All that ends up happening is name calling and disagreement which ruins the thread. It is the same in the Niner forums, Maiocco's Blog, and here in the best forum going. Please give it a rest, it is not a political debate, it is football. So some people love alex and some hate him...who cares.

Remember the old Joe vs. Steve debate? A lot of that was played out on radio. Ask Dr. Awesome.

There was no debate. Joe was better, and the Steve fans remain idiots.

 

[drummer]

This is why most people stay away from Smith threads. All that ends up happening is name calling and disagreement which ruins the thread. It is the same in the Niner forums, Maiocco's Blog, and here in the best forum going. Please give it a rest, it is not a political debate, it is football. So some people love alex and some hate him...who cares.

Remember the old Joe vs. Steve debate? A lot of that was played out on radio. Ask Dr. Awesome.

There was no debate. Joe was better, and the Steve fans remain idiots.

Just don't mention it at Clooney's Bar in SF. Just don't.

 

[Wingnut]

This is why most people stay away from Smith threads. All that ends up happening is name calling and disagreement which ruins the thread. It is the same in the Niner forums, Maiocco's Blog, and here in the best forum going. Please give it a rest, it is not a political debate, it is football. So some people love alex and some hate him...who cares.

Remember the old Joe vs. Steve debate? A lot of that was played out on radio. Ask Dr. Awesome.

There was no debate. Joe was better, and the Steve fans remain idiots.

Hey now....

 

[cstu]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

The thing is Smith is 30 years old and still a liability on 3rd downs. Smith did his best work on 1st and 2nd down when defenses had to respect the run. Once they knew he was going to throw the ball he barely played better than Gabbert.

 

[thecatch]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year.



Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Especially the bolded. Ho hum is right about this signing. But I agree Kaepernick did not look good last year. He was a rookie, limited camp, and so on and so forth. Plenty of reasons to excuse how lousy he looked but the bottom line is he didn't look good. If Harbaugh went with him this season I'd believe he was ready. But I agree this indicates he's still a ways from the starting job (if he ever wins it).

I've long since lost the link, but one of the other players on the roster gave an interview last season where he praised Kaepernick by saying something like, "he started off as just a natural athlete, but now he really looks like a quarterback." It wasn't exactly inspiring. Smith (or somebody else, maybe they'll bring Josh Johnson in too) will need to give Kaepernick some more time.

 

[Wingnut]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

The thing is Smith is 30 years old and still a liability on 3rd downs. Smith did his best work on 1st and 2nd down when defenses had to respect the run. Once they knew he was going to throw the ball he barely played better than Gabbert.

Smith turns 28 in May.

 

[drummer]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

The thing is Smith is 30 years old and still a liability on 3rd downs. Smith did his best work on 1st and 2nd down when defenses had to respect the run. Once they knew he was going to throw the ball he barely played better than Gabbert.

Smith turns 28 in May.

In QB years he is about 30.

 

[Wingnut]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

The thing is Smith is 30 years old and still a liability on 3rd downs. Smith did his best work on 1st and 2nd down when defenses had to respect the run. Once they knew he was going to throw the ball he barely played better than Gabbert.

Smith turns 28 in May.

In QB years he is about 30.

lol. Fair enough.

 

[drummer]

Ho hum. The big hope is that Smith is still developing after a disastrous run under the regrettable Nolan/Singletary years. If Smith can improve enough that Harbaugh doesn't give hi pop warner back-up gameplans, then maybe he can get the niners over the top. Problem is, the division is much tougher this year with a SEA team that closed 5-3 and an ARI team that closed 7-2. They are not going to stroll through the division this year. Personally, from what I saw of Kaepernick, he's going to have to make a huge leap to be able to play at the NFL level. In his limited showing in preseason (yes, I watched every game) he looked overwhelmed by a huge degree. The re-signing of Smith says that niners feel the same way and that Kaep isn't likely to be ready this year or maybe next. He was drafted as a project and is still one.

Yeah, but the thing is Kaep can catch up to "Game Manager" performance faster than Smith will ever get past it, with a lot more upside to boot.

On this point, I am happy to cede my opinion to the actions of the front office and coaching staff. I'm pretty sure niners would have parted ways with Smith if they thought Kaep was ready or near ready. Would I rather see Kaep in there, developing while performing at Smith's level? Absolutely.Would I rather Kaep have Gabbert style struggles as he continues to adjust to the NFL game when we could have had Smith in there? Absolutely not.

The thing is Smith is 30 years old and still a liability on 3rd downs. Smith did his best work on 1st and 2nd down when defenses had to respect the run. Once they knew he was going to throw the ball he barely played better than Gabbert.

Smith turns 28 in May.

In QB years he is about 30.

lol. Fair enough.

He's only played 2 full seasons his entire career in SF. Oof.One thing I give credit for in that is Harbaugh and Smith himself this past season. Smith may have played it safe too many times, but it kept him upright, and Harbaugh lived with that.

 

[chinawildman]

Would've rather they spent the money on Wallace...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Would've rather they spent the money on Wallace...

Hush your mouth!Wallace needs to stay in the SteelCity.

 

[goldenchild]

Drummer - I would love to see you and my buddy have a discussion about Alex Smith. I think it would very entertaining.

Shortly after the news broke that SF worked out Manning, my buddy said he felt so bad for Alex Smith... to which I jokingly replied something to the effect of "just think back to the previous years of all that pain and suffering".

His reply was... (paraphrasing): blame Singletary, Raye, Nolan, and "that one OC that had never seen football" for all the pain and suffering...

What would you fire back with?

 

[drummer]

Drummer - I would love to see you and my buddy have a discussion about Alex Smith. I think it would very entertaining.Shortly after the news broke that SF worked out Manning, my buddy said he felt so bad for Alex Smith... to which I jokingly replied something to the effect of "just think back to the previous years of all that pain and suffering".His reply was... (paraphrasing): blame Singletary, Raye, Nolan, and "that one OC that had never seen football" for all the pain and suffering...What would you fire back with?

Tell him that he can possibly have as long a 49er career as Joe Montana. Then have him compare their respective careers.

 

[thecatch]

Would've rather they spent the money on Wallace...

Wallace is apparently asking for Fitzgerald money. Not going to happen.

 

[saintfool]

Drummer - I would love to see you and my buddy have a discussion about Alex Smith. I think it would very entertaining.Shortly after the news broke that SF worked out Manning, my buddy said he felt so bad for Alex Smith... to which I jokingly replied something to the effect of "just think back to the previous years of all that pain and suffering".His reply was... (paraphrasing): blame Singletary, Raye, Nolan, and "that one OC that had never seen football" for all the pain and suffering...What would you fire back with?

Tell him that he can possibly have as long a 49er career as Joe Montana. Then have him compare their respective careers.

good coaching matters. you want to compare walsh and his coaching staff (and the legacy) to that of singletary and his? harbaugh showed what a single year of good coaching can do for smith. i expect smith to be less a game manager this next season. he had to be re-built after years and years of poor coaching, advice and distractions. this could be a great year for smith and 9ers fans.

 

[drummer]

Drummer - I would love to see you and my buddy have a discussion about Alex Smith. I think it would very entertaining.Shortly after the news broke that SF worked out Manning, my buddy said he felt so bad for Alex Smith... to which I jokingly replied something to the effect of "just think back to the previous years of all that pain and suffering".His reply was... (paraphrasing): blame Singletary, Raye, Nolan, and "that one OC that had never seen football" for all the pain and suffering...What would you fire back with?

Tell him that he can possibly have as long a 49er career as Joe Montana. Then have him compare their respective careers.

good coaching matters. you want to compare walsh and his coaching staff (and the legacy) to that of singletary and his? harbaugh showed what a single year of good coaching can do for smith. i expect smith to be less a game manager this next season. he had to be re-built after years and years of poor coaching, advice and distractions. this could be a great year for smith and 9ers fans.

The point is Smith has been fortunate for a Franchise to hold on to him this long and to keep giving him chances while other QB's would be traded or not signed. This was the second or third time Smith was a FA, and he still is with the team. I don't buy that he didn't have good coaches. Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, and even Jimmy Raye (who got a lot of production out of Smith with his spread) all are pretty solid QB coaches. Vernon Davis credits Singletary for his turnaround, and a lot of other 49er players went through the same thing Smith had. So the "poor coaching" thing is a myth.ETA: the reason why Jim Hostler was promoted to OC was due to he being Smith's QB coach since he was drafted, and coached under McCarthy and Turner. So it wasn't like Nolan sacked Smith with a guy he didn't know.

 

[Wingnut]

good coaching matters. you want to compare walsh and his coaching staff (and the legacy) to that of singletary and his? harbaugh showed what a single year of good coaching can do for smith. i expect smith to be less a game manager this next season. he had to be re-built after years and years of poor coaching, advice and distractions. this could be a great year for smith and 9ers fans.

The point is Smith has been fortunate for a Franchise to hold on to him this long and to keep giving him chances while other QB's would be traded or not signed. This was the second or third time Smith was a FA, and he still is with the team. I don't buy that he didn't have good coaches. Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, and even Jimmy Raye (who got a lot of production out of Smith with his spread) all are pretty solid QB coaches. Vernon Davis credits Singletary for his turnaround, and a lot of other 49er players went through the same thing Smith had. So the "poor coaching" thing is a myth.

ETA: the reason why Jim Hostler was promoted to OC was due to he being Smith's QB coach since he was drafted, and coached under McCarthy and Turner. So it wasn't like Nolan sacked Smith with a guy he didn't know.

Excerpt from an Interview transcript with Alex after he signed:

Alex, it’s been a little bit of a soap opera this last week with your situation and the Peyton Manning situation, on parallel tracks. How eager are you to get all the headlines behind you and really start focusing on football?

“All of that aside, I guess I’ve just been anxious this entire time just to get back to football. Like I said, this free agency, this was my first time being a free agent and you know I wasn’t a fan of it. Football is where I want to be and I want to get back to work. I’m excited for that, yeah.”

 

[drummer]

good coaching matters. you want to compare walsh and his coaching staff (and the legacy) to that of singletary and his? harbaugh showed what a single year of good coaching can do for smith. i expect smith to be less a game manager this next season. he had to be re-built after years and years of poor coaching, advice and distractions. this could be a great year for smith and 9ers fans.

The point is Smith has been fortunate for a Franchise to hold on to him this long and to keep giving him chances while other QB's would be traded or not signed. This was the second or third time Smith was a FA, and he still is with the team. I don't buy that he didn't have good coaches. Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, and even Jimmy Raye (who got a lot of production out of Smith with his spread) all are pretty solid QB coaches. Vernon Davis credits Singletary for his turnaround, and a lot of other 49er players went through the same thing Smith had. So the "poor coaching" thing is a myth.

ETA: the reason why Jim Hostler was promoted to OC was due to he being Smith's QB coach since he was drafted, and coached under McCarthy and Turner. So it wasn't like Nolan sacked Smith with a guy he didn't know.

Excerpt from an Interview transcript with Alex after he signed:

Alex, it’s been a little bit of a soap opera this last week with your situation and the Peyton Manning situation, on parallel tracks. How eager are you to get all the headlines behind you and really start focusing on football?

“All of that aside, I guess I’ve just been anxious this entire time just to get back to football. Like I said, this free agency, this was my first time being a free agent and you know I wasn’t a fan of it. Football is where I want to be and I want to get back to work. I’m excited for that, yeah.”

IIRC, he signed a one year deal last year, and worked out an extension for less money under McGlouhan or if he didn't he would have been traded or released (I forget but he did re-work his contract under McGlouhan). This is the first time he tested FA, and the market spoke.Remember, he was pretty much a goner after the 2010 season, but stuck around when they got Harbaugh.

 

[Terpman22]

And on the same day, they also signed QB Josh Johnson to a 2 year deal. JJ played for Harbaugh at San Diego fwiw.

 

[saintfool]

And on the same day, they also signed QB Josh Johnson to a 2 year deal. JJ played for Harbaugh at San Diego fwiw.

after this signing, interesting question is who will be the #2.

 

[ldizzle]

He just comes off as arrogant to me

Rotoworld - Asked what his emotions were in visiting Miami, Smith replied, "I'd never been to Miami Beach, and I thought it was a good way to go see it." Way to kick a franchise while it's down, Alex.

why come out and say that, just keep it to yourself? stay classy Alex

 

[thecatch]

He just comes off as arrogant to me

Rotoworld - Asked what his emotions were in visiting Miami, Smith replied, "I'd never been to Miami Beach, and I thought it was a good way to go see it." Way to kick a franchise while it's down, Alex.

why come out and say that, just keep it to yourself? stay classy Alex

Yeah, he was joking.

 

[johnadams]

The point is Smith has been fortunate for a Franchise to hold on to him this long and to keep giving him chances while other QB's would be traded or not signed. This was the second or third time Smith was a FA, and he still is with the team. I don't buy that he didn't have good coaches. Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Mike Martz, and even Jimmy Raye (who got a lot of production out of Smith with his spread) all are pretty solid QB coaches. Vernon Davis credits Singletary for his turnaround, and a lot of other 49er players went through the same thing Smith had.

So the "poor coaching" thing is a myth.

ETA: the reason why Jim Hostler was promoted to OC was due to he being Smith's QB coach since he was drafted, and coached under McCarthy and Turner. So it wasn't like Nolan sacked Smith with a guy he didn't know.

Bolded=no.Can't just blame the coaching as the organization in total gets a massive fail for how they handled Smith. Great that VD credits Sing, but go back and watch the first game from 2010 and you will see the most pathetic coaching ever. Singletary was actually worse as a head coach than Nolan, which is hard to believe. And Nolan nearly ended Smith's career by calling out his toughness and never backing him. Martz? Please. Martz preferred JT O'fumblekins. Raye? Raye was brought in to simply be a yes guy to Singletary's "vision" and was a convenient fall guy when that "vision" inevitably imploded. I would have liked to see what could have happened in year three under Turner, but Norv departed after only one year. I will never understand how a franchise uses the first pick in the draft on a QB and basically tries to sabotage him every chance they get. They took every opportunity to destroy Smith's confidence. I think it's a credit to Smith that he's actually not horrible and has managed to be at least average.

Very few players have gone through what Smith has gone through. I don't feel bad for him as I'd trade places with him in a heartbeat, criticism and all, but Nolan and Singletary were a pair of the worst HCs I've seen. Singletary is a great man in many respects and it's no accident that he impacted VD so much. But as a head coach, he was an abject failure.