Alexander Wants Record (1 Viewer)

[gump]

Thanks, Marc. That was sarcasm on my part, as it was with Keys.Bottom line is I think SA is a very good person who lets his emotions get the best of him sometimes and cares deeply about getting the respect he feels he deserves, which in his mind are thru records. I'm sure he cares about the 'Hawks winning as much as anyone, but has been called "overrated" since he was a college recruit, and seems to want to prove to everyone his isn't.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Marc,I respectfully disagree.On the previous scoring drive they also had a 1st and goal from the 3 and did a play-action pass to Stevens.The Atlanta defense would have been looking for the play action. I say it is far better odds to have Shaun follow Mack Strong behind W. Jones for the TD! He has led the NFL in TD's over the last 5 years; 97 total TD's. I don't buy the other options ...

 

[Jason Wood]

RE: selfish...I personally believe the vast majority of great players are selfish. It lends itself to the ultra-competitive nature needed to be the best in a field of great athletes. The difference between SA and some others is simply a matter of having the wherewithall to internalize the selfishly-driven anger at the time it brews forth.

 

[BigRed]

Seahawks' Alexander Will Start With Record on Mind

Oh there's a shocker.SA = no-class stat whore. I bet he and E Smith are drinkin buds.

The diff. between him and Priest is night and day.

Not sure what's worse: whiny self-centered POSs like him, limp-wristed yahoos like Homgren who cave into him, or the massive horde of apologists.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

1. There was no incentives Alexander missed by not tieing Martin. Please note...Alexander would have only tied Martin for the title.2. The Jets game went into OT, so the games overlapped even more.3. Alexander was in on the play. I think it was a great play call...if everyone was expecting an Alexander run, and then Hass just snuck it in. The play worked to perfection as they scored to win the game.4. Alexander had just fumbled on the GL the game before that, so maybe the coaching staff didn't have as much confidence.5. Do you honestly think that in a game that was for the playoffs, that Holmgren was worrying about how many yards Martin had and how many Alexander needed to beat him? Like seriously. Holmgren was trying to win first and foremost.6. Alexander knew it was a dumb thing to say after the game and he apologized for it to the team and to Holmgren. There is no bad blood between the two and they talked regularly in the offseason while Alexander was holding out.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Seahawks' Alexander Will Start With Record on Mind

Oh there's a shocker.SA = no-class stat whore. I bet he and E Smith are drinkin buds.

The diff. between him and Priest is night and day.

Not sure what's worse: whiny self-centered POSs like him, limp-wristed yahoos like Homgren who cave into him, or the massive horde of apologists.

You know nothing about Alexander and Holmgren if this is your thought process on the matter.Holmgren has said that he wants to get it...as I am sure the whole offense and mostly the offensive line wants to get it.

This just isn't for Alexander.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

ALEXANDER TD VIDEO

http://media.putfile.com/Seahawks---SAlexa...-NFL-record-TDs

 

[Pnishthm]

1. There was no incentives Alexander missed by not tieing Martin. Please note...Alexander would have only tied Martin for the title.

2. The Jets game went into OT, so the games overlapped even more.

3. Alexander was in on the play. I think it was a great play call...if everyone was expecting an Alexander run, and then Hass just snuck it in. The play worked to perfection as they scored to win the game.

4. Alexander had just fumbled on the GL the game before that, so maybe the coaching staff didn't have as much confidence.

5. Do you honestly think that in a game that was for the playoffs, that Holmgren was worrying about how many yards Martin had and how many Alexander needed to beat him? Like seriously. Holmgren was trying to win first and foremost.

6. Alexander knew it was a dumb thing to say after the game and he apologized for it to the team and to Holmgren. There is no bad blood between the two and they talked regularly in the offseason while Alexander was holding out.

Also add to the fact that there was still significant time for Seattle to get the ball back and somehow If I remember correctly, Atlanta held the ball the entire time. Does anyone remember offhand just how much time was left when Seattle scored?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

1. There was no incentives Alexander missed by not tieing Martin. Please note...Alexander would have only tied Martin for the title.

2. The Jets game went into OT, so the games overlapped even more.

3. Alexander was in on the play. I think it was a great play call...if everyone was expecting an Alexander run, and then Hass just snuck it in. The play worked to perfection as they scored to win the game.

4. Alexander had just fumbled on the GL the game before that, so maybe the coaching staff didn't have as much confidence.

5. Do you honestly think that in a game that was for the playoffs, that Holmgren was worrying about how many yards Martin had and how many Alexander needed to beat him? Like seriously. Holmgren was trying to win first and foremost.

6. Alexander knew it was a dumb thing to say after the game and he apologized for it to the team and to Holmgren. There is no bad blood between the two and they talked regularly in the offseason while Alexander was holding out.

Also add to the fact that there was still significant time for Seattle to get the ball back and somehow If I remember correctly, Atlanta held the ball the entire time. Does anyone remember offhand just how much time was left when Seattle scored?

It was about 4 minutes left in the game if I remember correctly.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I hope Green Bay stacks the line and forces Seattle to throw, thus stopping Alexander from scoring a touchdown and breaking the record.

 

[gump]

Seahawks' Alexander Will Start With Record on Mind

Oh there's a shocker.SA = no-class stat whore. I bet he and E Smith are drinkin buds.

The diff. between him and Priest is night and day.

Not sure what's worse: whiny self-centered POSs like him, limp-wristed yahoos like Homgren who cave into him, or the massive horde of apologists.

 

[BloodyPigSkin]

Would if Shaun gets the 1 TD to break the record and then goes to the sidelines for the remainder of the game only to see Maurice Morris bust off for 127 yards and 2 more TDs? Would it taint Shaun's accomplishments?And the real question is WHO IS STARTING MAURICE MORRIS THIS WEEKEND?

 

[Joe Bryant]

We're just horrible people.

As is SA apparently...

Not sure where you'd get that. I think people are thinking he put a little too much on personal goals maybe more than team goals. I think that's all people are saying. Exact same discussion we had about the Colts trying to go for the perfect season possibly at the expense of the Super Bowl back before the SD game.J

Joe, in all respect to gump, his comment was sarcastic - his previous post in the thread:

It amazes me that people continue to view SA as selfish, when he spends SO MUCH time, money, and energy helping others.

Putting more weight on a heat-of-the-moment comment over years of unselfish, ego-free charity work is odd...but I guess typical of a message board.

No problem, Marc.Being a selfish football player and doing nice things for the community are not mutually exclusive in my opinion.

J

 

[BloodyPigSkin]

ALEXANDER TD VIDEO

http://media.putfile.com/Seahawks---SAlexa...-NFL-record-TDs

That was awesome! I've just realized I don't care about any details other than that was one heck of a display of scoring. Glad to be a fan that was around to watch it.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I hope Green Bay stacks the line and forces Seattle to throw, thus stopping Alexander from scoring a touchdown and breaking the record.

LOL...I'd like to see them even try.

 

[Lauryn]

I have no way of knowing as I can't mind read, but the outward impression of what I get from Alexander watching him very closely is that he's more concerned about the TD record than he is a playoff win.

 

[pghrob]

Would if Shaun gets the 1 TD to break the record and then goes to the sidelines for the remainder of the game only to see Maurice Morris bust off for 127 yards and 2 more TDs? Would it taint Shaun's accomplishments?

And the real question is WHO IS STARTING MAURICE MORRIS THIS WEEKEND?

 

[simsarge]

I hope Green Bay stacks the line and forces Seattle to throw, thus stopping Alexander from scoring a touchdown and breaking the record.

LOL...I'd like to see them even try.

Plus don't forget that this is the same team that did the "Gimme" sack for Strahan once. Not saying that it wasn't a personal gimme from Favre and the D will do the same thing. But if SA gets two and is in the nieghborhood for a 3rd...

 

[NYCelt]

I hope Green Bay stacks the line and forces Seattle to throw, thus stopping Alexander from scoring a touchdown and breaking the record.

LOL...I'd like to see them even try.

Plus don't forget that this is the same team that did the "Gimme" sack for Strahan once. Not saying that it wasn't a personal gimme from Favre and the D will do the same thing. But if SA gets two and is in the nieghborhood for a 3rd...

Favre doing that on the road and a whole defense doing that at home is almost as different as a sack and a TD.

 

[simsarge]

I hope Green Bay stacks the line and forces Seattle to throw, thus stopping Alexander from scoring a touchdown and breaking the record.

LOL...I'd like to see them even try.

Plus don't forget that this is the same team that did the "Gimme" sack for Strahan once. Not saying that it wasn't a personal gimme from Favre and the D will do the same thing. But if SA gets two and is in the nieghborhood for a 3rd...

Favre doing that on the road and a whole defense doing that at home is almost as different as a sack and a TD.

True. I didn't think about the Home/away thing. Let alone this possibly BF's last game. But if it's out of hand early...Not saying they'd do a lay down, but would their hearts really be in it with a minute left in the half down by 20?

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

Why - other than stacking the record - would SA need 2 and be in the neighborhood of a 3rd. Am I missing something?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I think he'll get the TD, he'll get the touches and Seattle can move the ball. The bigger question, and bigger potential concern for Hawk fans, is the push for 2000. I think he'll keep running for that no matter what. If he's within 80 yards in the 4th, they'll keep him in hoping he can rip off a long one.

 

[pghrob]

I think he'll get the TD, he'll get the touches and Seattle can move the ball. The bigger question, and bigger potential concern for Hawk fans, is the push for 2000. I think he'll keep running for that no matter what. If he's within 80 yards in the 4th, they'll keep him in hoping he can rip off a long one.

Do you really think that Holmgren will let him play that much? I doubt he will have 120 yards prior to his TD (assuming he's a lock to get it). After a TD, I am sure he will sit.Shaun can only run when he is in he game and I don't see Holmgren risking his health if he gets TD #28.

 

[Dancing Bear]

People are fickle.

Alexander wants to play, win and accumulate a few personal goals along the way and he is regarded as a "selfish" good for nothing by many on these boards.

Brady wants to play the whole game, win and accumulate a few personal goals along the way and he is regarded as gutsy and held in high regard.

Sounds like a huge double standard to me ...

 

[pghrob]

Green Bay has given up 0nly 9 rushing td's all season!!!!If Alexander doesn't get the TD early, does Holmgren keep pecking away with him at RB (where he can rack up yardage)or bench him until they get near the goal line like they did with TD#27 last week v. Indy?

 

[Marc Levin]

Green Bay has given up 0nly 9 rushing td's all season!!!!

If Alexander doesn't get the TD early, does Holmgren keep pecking away with him at RB (where he can rack up yardage)or bench him until they get near the goal line like they did with TD#27 last week v. Indy?

No - he does what he did last week to tie the record.Sit SA - maybe even only play him for the first series, wait till the team is inside the five, hand off every time to SA - rinse repeat until he has the record.

It's the ONLY thing the 'hawks are playing for tomorrow.

 

[pghrob]

Green Bay has given up 0nly 9 rushing td's all season!!!!

If Alexander doesn't get the TD early, does Holmgren keep pecking away with him at RB (where he can rack up yardage)or bench him until they get near the goal line like they did with TD#27 last week v. Indy?

No - he does what he did last week to tie the record.Sit SA - maybe even only play him for the first series, wait till the team is inside the five, hand off every time to SA - rinse repeat until he has the record.

It's the ONLY thing the 'hawks are playing for tomorrow.

That's why I am steering clear from him this week.

 

[BloodyPigSkin]

Someone tell Shaun that Tiki just busted open for a 95 yard TD... :X

 

[R Dizzle]

Someone tell Shaun that Tiki just busted open for a 95 yard TD...

  :X

I said this in the game thread."Anyways with the Tiki run he closes in within 55 yards of SA for the Rushing Title. I bet Tiki ends up 80-100 yards ahead of Alexander going into tomorrow. I wonder if Alexander will try to get the rushing title again?"

I am starting SA so I hope Holmgren lets him go for it if Tiki is ahead of him by alot.

I figure Tiki to sit once this gets out of hand.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Tiki just moved ahead of Alexander in the rushing title by roughly 60 yds. I know Shaun wants the rushing and Td titles...any chance Holmgren leaves him in longer to get a shot at both?

 

[gbill2004]

IMO Yes. Tiki is 53 yards ahead of SA right now. So SA will play tomorrow until he gets 54 rushing yards, and 1 TD to break Holmes TD record.

 

[Mikeyburns]

I hope Tiki gets the record because he could give two s**ts about stats. I think SA is incredible but his whining for records gets really annoying. Did you see his face light up last week when his teamate was tackled at the half yard line so he could get in the game and get the TD? Sickening

 

[gman8343]

I hope Tiki gets the record because he could give two s**ts about stats. I think SA is incredible but his whining for records gets really annoying. Did you see his face light up last week when his teamate was tackled at the half yard line so he could get in the game and get the TD? Sickening

All I know is myriads of Alexander owner's faces lighted up like Christmas trees when they saw his teammate tackled at the half yard line...

 

[Wingnut]

Would if Shaun gets the 1 TD to break the record and then goes to the sidelines for the remainder of the game only to see Maurice Morris bust off for 127 yards and 2 more TDs? Would it taint Shaun's accomplishments?

And the real question is WHO IS STARTING MAURICE MORRIS THIS WEEKEND?

Im starting Shaun AND Morris in my championship game.My other options are F Taylor, G Jones, and MBIII.

Ill take a td and hopefully 50-75yds from Shaun, and the rest from Moe.

Del Rio hasnt given me any motivation to start either Jax RB, so Im hanging my championship hopes on Seattles RB. And if for some reason Shaun has a shot at 2000yds (if he has close to 100yds by halftime), Ill have no problem hanging my hopes on Shaun alone. If he plays in the 2nd half, Im sure he will get td 28+.

Wish me luck.

 

[pizzatyme]

I wish Green Bay would play 8 in the box and do whatever they can to keep him from gettign this record. This is like any other team who is out of the playoffs trying to win the game to keep their opponent out as well. The only thing that matters is this TD and the Seahawks staying injury free.He plays in a weak conference, and a weaker division. He doesn't "deserve" the prize.Come on Packers, play with pride!

 

[pghrob]

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending in how you could like at it) my league rules require that lineups for the entire week be set one hour prior to the first game of the week, then they lock out (CBS Sportsline is our host site).That being said, I steered clear of Shaun today (Went with Gore and Morency). With Tiki's huge day yesterday and his taking the lead in rushing yards, I wonder what Holmgren will do now. I wonder what I would have done, if given the chance to set my lineup up unitl the start of each game.I read the Alexander story in ESPN the Magazine a few weeks ago, where he spoke about his concept for the cover photo (he did not make the cover). He envisioned himself behind the O-Line, sitting in a throne for Santa Claus, with the Lombardi trophy, the rushing leader trophy, and a trophy for MVP. The article went on to discuss Alexander as an enigmatic player, consumed with personal accomplishment goals, equally consumed with achieving those goals through cohesion as a member of a team.I am glad it is Holmgren's decision, not mine. I'll agree with the above post. Holmgren will play Shaun until he gets the yardage lead and a TD. At a minimium, I am now leaving 12 points on my bench, with the potential for more should Shaun break a long one to the house.

 

[MagicMan]

He plays in a weak conference, and a weaker division. He doesn't "deserve" the prize.

 

[MagicMan]

Any word on letting him go for 2k?

 

[Wingnut]

Any word on letting him go for 2k?

I think if he can break one long run and has a decent amount of yards after a couple of series, Holmgren MIGHT let him give it a go, but I wouldnt bet on it.

 

[Mikeyburns]

Wouldnt it be great if he finished 1 yds short again, in the race for the rushing title.

 

[BloodyPigSkin]

Alexander wants it, and now he got it!Shaun Alexander has 100 TDs in just 6 seasons per the announcers...

 

[jplvr]

The feeling for many Shaun fans is that Holmgren has never really been a fan of his. When Ricky Watters was there, Shaun was doing incredibly well, but he (Shaun) was pulled as soon as Watters got over his injury. Watters wasn't great coming back, but I remember it being a struggle for Alexander to get his reps.Also, many times Seattle will have a lead and while most teams feed their RB's to run out the clock, Seattle will continue to throw the ball. I can see the point that you want to continue to run your offense, but at times it just seems pointless. I remember one instance where Shaun was called for a fumble. Replay clearly showed he was down and pretty much released the ball voluntarily. I can't remember if it wasn't challenged or was and not overturned for some reason, but what I couldn't understand was that Holmgren was still making comments about Alexander having trouble hanging onto the ball later in the week after there was plenty of time to review that play on his own.Look, the very first thing Holmgren did when he got to Seattle was to get rid of Ahman Green and bring in Watters. Watters was the more versatile receiver and that kind of back fits Holmgren's style. I don't think it's a case of Holmgren not liking Alexander, but I do feel that he doesn't want to change his style to fit the great RB that he has.Put Shaun in KC, Pittsburgh, Carolina... hell, even Tennessee where Fisher would love to pound the ball play after play like he did with George and I don't even think we're having a discussion about who the best back in the NFL is (yes, Tennessee is a stretch in their current state). Holmgren wants to air it out and while he's not as big of an idiot as Mike Martz, he still is never going to be the RB friendly coach that would appreciate a great RB like the one he has now.What Alexander has done since being in the NFL is amazing; the numbers speak for themselves. Many, including myself, think it's even more amazing that he's been able to do what he's done considering who is calling the plays in Seattle.

 

[Winston Smith]

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Put Shaun in KC, Pittsburgh, Carolina... hell, even Tennessee where Fisher would love to pound the ball play after play like he did with George and I don't even think we're having a discussion about who the best back in the NFL is (yes, Tennessee is a stretch in their current state). Holmgren wants to air it out and while he's not as big of an idiot as Mike Martz, he still is never going to be the RB friendly coach that would appreciate a great RB like the one he has now.

What Alexander has done since being in the NFL is amazing; the numbers speak for themselves. Many, including myself, think it's even more amazing that he's been able to do what he's done considering who is calling the plays in Seattle.

How many more times can Alexander touch the ball? His touches over the last 5 years:2001 353 total touches

2002 354 total touches

2003 369 total touches

2004 376 total touches

2005 385 total touches

Look, the guy is a very good back. But as many times as it has been said, it remains true; he is running behind one of the greatest left sides of all time. Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

 

[omally]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

That is just speculation. Unless he plays for another team with a mediocre OL, nobody will ever know.

 

[Winston Smith]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

That is just speculation. Unless he plays for another team with a mediocre OL, nobody will ever know.

Of course it is. It's based on my evaluation of Alexander's physical abilities.

 

[Winston Smith]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

That is just speculation. Unless he plays for another team with a mediocre OL, nobody will ever know.

We may find out next year.

 

[omally]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

That is just speculation. Unless he plays for another team with a mediocre OL, nobody will ever know.

We may find out next year.

I'd love to see him in a Panther uniform.

 

[Winston Smith]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

That is just speculation. Unless he plays for another team with a mediocre OL, nobody will ever know.

We may find out next year.

I'd love to see him in a Panther uniform.

That would probably be a good fit too. As a Saints fan, I'd hate to see it.

 

[gump]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

If he played for the Southside High School, he would not have broken all those Cincinnati scoring records.If he played for Vanderbilt, he wouldn't have broken all those SEC scoring records.If he played for PIT or Tennessee...

 

[Winston Smith]

Were he in PIT or Tennessee, he'd be a 13-1400 yard back, who would score 10-13 TD a year. Certainly very good numbers, but not the video game stuff he gets in SEA (or that he would get in KC, as well).

If he played for the Southside High School, he would not have broken all those Cincinnati scoring records.If he played for Vanderbilt, he wouldn't have broken all those SEC scoring records.

If he played for PIT or Tennessee...

No one is saying that Alexander isn't a great back. However, I don't agree with the guy who seemed to suggest that he'd get better numbers in another system because Holmgren is holding him back. To the contrary, I think he's playing in the BEST possible situation (outside of perhaps KC) for any running back in the NFL. I don't think its terribly controversial to suggest his numbers would decline if he were no longer running behind Walter Jones.