All Aboard the Rainey Trainey (2 Viewers)

[Peyton Marino]

the second fumble was a joke. a stiff wind could have knocked that ball loose.

edit: if your league awards extra points for big plays, how do they not penalize extra points for a fumble that bad?

 

[joffer]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Do you have a rational reason as to why you don't think you should lose points for fumbling or do you just own Rainey and wish you had 4 more points than you do now?

The first one

 

[steveski]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Do you have a rational reason as to why you don't think you should lose points for fumbling or do you just own Rainey and wish you had 4 more points than you do now?

The first one

Oh

 

[Leroy Hoard]

My league does not penalize for fumbles and right now I am happy about it.

 

[nastynate]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.

-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

 

[chad in Indy]

Just be glad he's not in a Patriot's or Giants uniform or he would have never even had a chance to fumble the Second time.

 

[IheartGuinness]

I'm still astounded he finished with the point total that he did. Damn, I really love PPR.

 

[Isotopes]

As bad as that second fumble was, I was shocked to see him back on the field. Was hoping he snuck in the end zone in the fourth quarter drive (td went to VJax). Had that happened, he would have "...totally redeemed" himself in my eyes.

 

[mnmplayer]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher. If it was only a poor situation last night and he holds onto the rock he earns 15.37 so situation is a great one to be in in the dink and dunk offense (WRs are suffering). So his opportunity situation at this point is (or was) actually one of the best. If Martin goes out of the picture his floor looks great. We will have to see how healthy Martin is.

 

[joffer]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

 

[Interseptopus]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.

Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

 

[bagger]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

yeah we don't penalize for fumbles because the inherent penalty is foregoing opportunity for more points on the drive.Plus it is inequitable if you get penalized for a fumble while the defense credited for it is playing against you also gets points so you're double dipped.

We have no negatives in our league and we all love it.

 

[steveski]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

yeah we don't penalize for fumbles because the inherent penalty is foregoing opportunity for more points on the drive.Plus it is inequitable if you get penalized for a fumble while the defense credited for it is playing against you also gets points so you're double dipped.

We have no negatives in our league and we all love it.

You shouldn't get points for TD's either then because if your opponent has that defense then you're double dipped.

People don't like losing points and that's why people like not being penalized for fumbles. There's literally no other reason why a player shouldn't be docked points for doing the worst thing they can possibly do. People think that a RB should get 1 point for catching a pass in the backfield 5 yards from their QB but shouldn't be docked a point or two for fumbling and giving the other team the ball. Ok.....

Let me guess, everybody in your league gets a participation ribbon at the end of the season too.

 

[joffer]

 

[bagger]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

yeah we don't penalize for fumbles because the inherent penalty is foregoing opportunity for more points on the drive.Plus it is inequitable if you get penalized for a fumble while the defense credited for it is playing against you also gets points so you're double dipped.

We have no negatives in our league and we all love it.

You shouldn't get points for TD's either then because if your opponent has that defense then you're double dipped.

People don't like losing points and that's why people like not being penalized for fumbles. There's literally no other reason why a player shouldn't be docked points for doing the worst thing they can possibly do. People think that a RB should get 1 point for catching a pass in the backfield 5 yards from their QB but shouldn't be docked a point or two for fumbling and giving the other team the ball. Ok.....

Let me guess, everybody in your league gets a participation ribbon at the end of the season too.

no they are participation trophies that all say " first place".

 

[Reegus]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

yeah we don't penalize for fumbles because the inherent penalty is foregoing opportunity for more points on the drive.Plus it is inequitable if you get penalized for a fumble while the defense credited for it is playing against you also gets points so you're double dipped.

We have no negatives in our league and we all love it.

Sounds like a league created by Obama.... Is Obama your commissioner by any chance?

 

[bagger]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

yeah we don't penalize for fumbles because the inherent penalty is foregoing opportunity for more points on the drive.Plus it is inequitable if you get penalized for a fumble while the defense credited for it is playing against you also gets points so you're double dipped.

We have no negatives in our league and we all love it.

Sounds like a league created by Obama.... Is Obama your commissioner by any chance?

no he is not allowed to be commissioner since he wouldn't show me his birth certificate. So he is czar of waivers.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

You're the hilarious crackup that says "I dunno, can I?" when someone asks if you can pass the ketchup, aren't you?

 

[qimqam]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.

Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

He also had a pass go right through his hands ...

Everyone seems to forget that Martin was drafted as high as he was because he is a very good all around back running , receiving and pass blocking and that all proved to be true his rookie season when he totaled almost 2000 yards

 

[skinsrule05]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.

Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

Do you really think that when the coach is deciding on playing time he is going to care about his PPR stats? I think that he compiled his stats in garbage time and the two big fumbles might stand out more. Also, it was brought up earlier in the thread but if the coaches love him so much why is he in there in garbage time?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

One more advantage of no negatives - none of that benching a player Monday Night crap you see when some owners have a lead and are ascared of negative points.

 

[sho nuff]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.

Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

Do you really think that when the coach is deciding on playing time he is going to care about his PPR stats? I think that he compiled his stats in garbage time and the two big fumbles might stand out more. Also, it was brought up earlier in the thread but if the coaches love him so much why is he in there in garbage time?

I think the coaches look at everything...but if they bench people on poor performance last night...they won't have anyone left to play for them.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.

Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

Do you really think that when the coach is deciding on playing time he is going to care about his PPR stats? I think that he compiled his stats in garbage time and the two big fumbles might stand out more. Also, it was brought up earlier in the thread but if the coaches love him so much why is he in there in garbage time?

I think the coaches look at everything...but if they bench people on poor performance last night...they won't have anyone left to play for them.

Of course, not everyone else was trying to earn more playing time over an incumbent that seemed pretty locked into the job at the start of the season.

It's not that Rainey "lost" the job. It's that last night was the night he was supposed to "win" it and he did the complete opposite of that. Not only was he completely ineffective when the game was actually being played (IE before 50 point ultra prevent mode), but he turned it over twice on top of that.

 

[cvnpoka]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.

Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

it is already his job. its funny how ppl in this thread were ripping me for saying that rainey is the man now, and then i go and read the week 3 round table article in the subscriber content and none of the pundits believed it was at all certain that martin would be the lead back. one said that he though rainey had the role and the others thought it was up in the air but if you read between the lines it sure appears that all signs point to rainey being ahead of martin.

 

[Shutout]

• Rainey-Just as good as anyone else on the team tonight and thanks for the 15.5 PPR points, kid. Not bad for a WW pickup.

 

[Reegus]

I think we can all agree that is the worst possible situational outcome for TB & Rainey last night and he played poorly. He still earned 11.37 points on my PPR bench so I can't complain about that as a floor if he continues to get the start and Martin continues to suck or be on the bench. We know he will get lots of catches when his team falls behind and we know from previous weeks that his ceiling is much higher.

Last night was Raineys chance to make the best case to over take Martin. Let's be real, when Martin gets healthy, it's his job to lose. However, if Rainey did well last night I think Martins leash would have been a lot shorter than it is now. Atl was the perfect stage to make a case.Even with two fumbles he did well in PPR. It will be interesting to see how this plays out going forward. I think it's a mess I may not want to deal with, but for now I'll hold onto Rainey. I need to make a decision for next week though as I have everyone on my bench needing to play due to byes.

it is already his job. its funny how ppl in this thread were ripping me for saying that rainey is the man now, and then i go and read the week 3 round table article in the subscriber content and none of the pundits believed it was at all certain that martin would be the lead back. one said that he though rainey had the role and the others thought it was up in the air but if you read between the lines it sure appears that all signs point to rainey being ahead of martin.

What are you babbling about? His performance against one of the worst run defense was putrid. He is second string as soon as Martin is ready to go.

 

[matttyl]

What are you babbling about? His performance against one of the worst run defense was putrid. He is second string as soon as Martin is ready to go.

That's the best case scenario. I'm not sure he is still on the roster once Martin and Sims both return from injuries.

 

[bagger]

One more advantage of no negatives - none of that benching a player Monday Night crap you see when some owners have a lead and are ascared of negative points.

 

[Avery]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

 

[qimqam]

• Rainey-Just as good as anyone else on the team tonight and thanks for the 15.5 PPR points, kid. Not bad for a WW pickup.

Girl Scout League ?

 

[Shutout]

• Rainey-Just as good as anyone else on the team tonight and thanks for the 15.5 PPR points, kid. Not bad for a WW pickup.

Girl Scout League ?

Where else in your fantasy league are you grabbing waiver wire fodder and turning it into 30+ points the last two weeks. Granted, you didn't just find Arian Foster out there on the wire but you could do a lot worse.

I'm just trying to call it as I see it, without any biases. I'm getting the sense, however, that the only people reading this thread are the Martin owners trying to console one another that Rainey's performance was bad and their draft pick is safe and the Rainey owners who are trying to talk one another up that there is a job to be stolen.

I don't know if either is true. I just said, for a WW pickup, you're pretty happy to have that kind of production.

 

[Shutout]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

But THE point in all this is: HE WAS STILL PLAYING AND GETTING POINTS. And that is all that matters. Sometimes games get lopsided and Big Ben salvages his fantasy day in garbage time or Eli connects on two 4th quarter TDs to take an 111 point day and make it 20. THese things happen. The main point is, despite ALL the Bucs looking like hot garbage, Rainey still made something of it for himself and his fantasy owners last night.

What more can you ask for from a waiver wire wonder playing on a team that looked like they couldn't hang with a local high school last night?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

You're looking very deep into this and its strange.

From a FFB prospective he was productive. They had him down for 15.9 in my PPR and he had 15.5

It isnt hard to find running lanes when youre down so much....now how about the week before? Was it hard then? How did he do?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Shutout you're jumping in and out of context here. If you want to discuss whether he was a decent fantasy play this week with the points he scored that's fine, but you're jumping into a discussion about what his future role is with the team and trying to apply that argument to it. Two different things.

 

[btemp]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

And backups got in there two. So it was against the BACKUPS of one of the worst defences in the league in garbage time. Rainey was terrible.

 

[Avery]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

But THE point in all this is: HE WAS STILL PLAYING AND GETTING POINTS. And that is all that matters. Sometimes games get lopsided and Big Ben salvages his fantasy day in garbage time or Eli connects on two 4th quarter TDs to take an 111 point day and make it 20. THese things happen. The main point is, despite ALL the Bucs looking like hot garbage, Rainey still made something of it for himself and his fantasy owners last night. What more can you ask for from a waiver wire wonder playing on a team that looked like they couldn't hang with a local high school last night?

True, his fantasy points are his points but he was vein touted as someone who could (or would) take the job away from Martin or at the least be in a 50/50 time share.I isn't see anything last night that would give him that. Furthermore, even f he does get that, if nothing else to Martin's lack f glad as well, I don't know how mix has is worth given the state of the team.

May be getting Glennon in there will help jump start the offense, but I don't know how useful any Tampa RB will be for a fantasy team.

Edit to add: Sorry for all the spelling errors and auto corrects. Still to rocking my iPhone 4 an its barley holding on.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

But THE point in all this is: HE WAS STILL PLAYING AND GETTING POINTS. And that is all that matters. Sometimes games get lopsided and Big Ben salvages his fantasy day in garbage time or Eli connects on two 4th quarter TDs to take an 111 point day and make it 20. THese things happen. The main point is, despite ALL the Bucs looking like hot garbage, Rainey still made something of it for himself and his fantasy owners last night. What more can you ask for from a waiver wire wonder playing on a team that looked like they couldn't hang with a local high school last night?

True, his fantasy points are his points but he was vein touted as someone who could (or would) take the job away from Martin or at the least be in a 50/50 time share.

I isn't see anything last night that would give him that. Furthermore, even f he does get that, if nothing else to Martin's lack f glad as well, I don't know how mix has is worth given the state of the team.

May be getting Glennon in there will help jump start the offense, but I don't know how useful any Tampa RB will be for a fantasy team.

What did you see from last night that would lead to own anyone from TB?

 

[tandl71]

I love reading a thread where people embed quotes until their post is 15 feet long on a smartphone.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I love reading a thread where people embed quotes until their post is 15 feet long on a smartphone.

Blame the software. It's extremely difficult to remove nested quotes on it, especially if you're posting from a smartphone yourself.

 

[Avery]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

But THE point in all this is: HE WAS STILL PLAYING AND GETTING POINTS. And that is all that matters. Sometimes games get lopsided and Big Ben salvages his fantasy day in garbage time or Eli connects on two 4th quarter TDs to take an 111 point day and make it 20. THese things happen. The main point is, despite ALL the Bucs looking like hot garbage, Rainey still made something of it for himself and his fantasy owners last night. What more can you ask for from a waiver wire wonder playing on a team that looked like they couldn't hang with a local high school last night?

True, his fantasy points are his points but he was vein touted as someone who could (or would) take the job away from Martin or at the least be in a 50/50 time share.I isn't see anything last night that would give him that. Furthermore, even f he does get that, if nothing else to Martin's lack f glad as well, I don't know how mix has is worth given the state of the team.

May be getting Glennon in there will help jump start the offense, but I don't know how useful any Tampa RB will be for a fantasy team.

What did you see from last night that would lead to own anyone from TB?

Nope and that's kinda my point.

If it will be a timeshare on a poor offense, I don't see Rainey as a great waiver grab, as many on the staff were saying.

 

[Avery]

I love reading a thread where people embed quotes until their post is 15 feet long on a smartphone.

Just hitting the "quote" button to reply, yo. Not trying to make it a pain on my dated phone.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If it will be a timeshare on a poor offense, I don't see Rainey as a great waiver grab, as many on the staff were saying.

Thats not even debatable at the moment. He has 20.4 and 15.5 in back to back weeks in a PPR and has Pittsburgh and the Saints after that. If he is not a great waiver grab it remains to be seen but at the moment the staff has been right.

 

[FlapJacks]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

Yeah very odd, almost like someone wasn't watching the game. He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points.

But THE point in all this is: HE WAS STILL PLAYING AND GETTING POINTS. And that is all that matters. Sometimes games get lopsided and Big Ben salvages his fantasy day in garbage time or Eli connects on two 4th quarter TDs to take an 111 point day and make it 20. THese things happen. The main point is, despite ALL the Bucs looking like hot garbage, Rainey still made something of it for himself and his fantasy owners last night.

What more can you ask for from a waiver wire wonder playing on a team that looked like they couldn't hang with a local high school last night?

then I would expect an assessment more like

He ran poorly when the game was still in play, caught one of 3 targets, dropped a pass, and fumbled twice. Against one of the worst run defenses in the league.Then he added some yardage late in the game against an ultra prevent defense when trailing by 50 points. Doug Martin hasn't looked any better, so this could be a timeshare and if the Bucs get blown out every week (possible) you have a good shot at garbage time production going forward

 

[17seconds]

Bottom line is Rainey didn't show us anything huge one way or the other. He was productive considering the situation but he also fumbled twice.

Doesn't really change anything in the Martin/Rainey equation IMO. If Martin is healthy, he's still the lead back. Conspiracy theories about the team hating Martin aside.

 

[Andrew74]

From the News Blogger:

Buccaneers | Bobby Rainey productive Fri Sep 19, 02:54 AM

Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Bobby Rainey, starting in place of injured RB Doug Martin (knee), led the team with seven catches for 64 yards Thursday, Sept. 18, against the Atlanta Falcons. He rushed 11 times for 41 yards in a lopsided loss.

Footballguys view: Rainey had two fumbles, one particularly egregious, but he returned to the game after short benchings and still ran hard and productively. Doug Martin owners should not be breathing sighs of relief, as Rainey showed he still deserves a big part of this backfield. He might be a good flex play against the Steelers next week.

I'm a long time subscriber and love the info around here, but this seems an odd assessment of Rainey last night. He, as the rest of the Bucs, looked terrible. Sure he "ran hand" and "was productive" but it's not hard to find running lanes and catch underneath passes when your down 40-something to nothing. I don't know if they are trying to justify how high some of the staff are on the guy in waivers and ranking.

He could well bounce back, but if you just read the headline, I think you think Rainey looked just fine, and even good.

FBG seems as bad as this board with taking a stance on a player and holding on come hell or high water. I think the quote on an Audible was "Martin hasn't looked good in two years." So Rainey's the man...oh wait, he played like hot garbage? No, look at the compiler stats, he's the MAN!

 

[Dan79]

One more advantage of no negatives - none of that benching a player Monday Night crap you see when some owners have a lead and are ascared of negative points.

I don't see anything wrong with that. If they sit a player out of fear of negative points then they are also giving up the potential for positive points. When it comes down to the end of the year and tied records, season point totals could be the difference in where you place.

 

[joffer]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

You're the hilarious crackup that says "I dunno, can I?" when someone asks if you can pass the ketchup, aren't you?

Can't remember ever saying that, but go with it. This thread is full of people who seem to know what I'm thinking

 

[Avery]

If it will be a timeshare on a poor offense, I don't see Rainey as a great waiver grab, as many on the staff were saying.

Thats not even debatable at the moment. He has 20.4 and 15.5 in back to back weeks in a PPR and has Pittsburgh and the Saints after that. If he is not a great waiver grab it remains to be seen but at the moment the staff has been right.

If it will be a timeshare on a poor offense, I don't see Rainey as a great waiver grab, as many on the staff were saying.

Thats not even debatable at the moment. He has 20.4 and 15.5 in back to back weeks in a PPR and has Pittsburgh and the Saints after that. If he is not a great waiver grab it remains to be seen but at the moment the staff has been right.

If it will be a timeshare on a poor offense, I don't see Rainey as a great waiver grab, as many on the staff were saying.

Thats not even debatable at the moment. He has 20.4 and 15.5 in back to back weeks in a PPR and has Pittsburgh and the Saints after that. If he is not a great waiver grab it remains to be seen but at the moment the staff has been right.

Maybe your missing my point.

Yes, he's been very solid without Martin in there but there seems to have been a sentiment amongst the staff that Rainey would be one of the top waiver grabs going forward regardless of Martin. That Rainey was better than Martin. Admittedly, I haven't watched a whole lot of Tampa this year but I saw little from Rainey to suggest that he was going to take this job and run with it once Martin is back on the field.

 

[steveski]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

You're the hilarious crackup that says "I dunno, can I?" when someone asks if you can pass the ketchup, aren't you?

Can't remember ever saying that, but go with it. This thread is full of people who seem to know what I'm thinking

That's because you said that you hate losing points for a fumble but don't give any reason why. I pretty obviously asked you to clarify but you chose not to. Why don't you say what you're thinking so we don't have to guess?