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DanteHallOfFame
Footballguy
i picked Kelley Washington and Musa Smith. Washington had 1st round talent, and I think he can be a nice big target opposite chad johnson. Musa Smith should be the starter should anything happen to J.Lewis.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Last season I had Gordon and licked my chops awaiting Faulk to go down. I eventually learned that Lamar Gordon getting the majority of carriers in Faulk's absence equates to about 18 to 25 carries, 20-30 yards rushing, 5 yards receiving and no touchdowns (un verified numbers, but the perception I got from Gordon).
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
There is not a chance on earth, that under any draft format, I would select Marcus Pollard...Colin
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
...however, I'm pleased to get Eddie Kennison so late, and I think I'm rock-solid at WR with the top WR (Moss), a top-'03-underachiever (Moulds), a top Rookie (Williams) and a top30 guy (Kennison) for fill in purposes.Time to shift my eye to more pressing needs, like a useful tight end...Colin
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm not interested in last year. I'm interested in this year...Did you notice that Pollard was an afterthought at TE once Dallas Clark caught Manning's eye?Colin
Until Clark started dropping passes in the endzone. Clark has only scored 1 td in the NFL. In the early season you may have been right, but by midseason Pollard was the go to guy. 2 out of 3 of Pollards tds came in games they both played in. In games they both played in Pollard had more receiving yards than Clark 6 out of 8 times.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Dallas Clark broke his leg in week 13. Up until then, despite not being the "starter" he had more targets then Pollard (42 to 32; both missed 2 games before Clark's broken leg). My point, more specifically, is that NEITHER of them is a great option at this point IMO.Colin
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Rookie TEs do not produce well in the NFL. Something to do with the complexity of learning both blocking schemes and the passing game schemes.I expect Clark to continue to improve and the older Pollard to give way in terms of production.You can also use this to deduct that you want to go and let someone else roll the dice on Kellen Winslow Jr. with a high pick while you now know better (redraft).
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
The TE I wanted all along is still there, and I will likely select him soon since I'm sold on my WRs, feel like there's nothing left at RB since I have 2 rookies already, and I'm set at QB. Its too early IMO for Kickers and D/St...COlin
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
As promised, here's my opinions on the next 7:The Jones Gang
Brett Favre
Rex Grossman
Edgerrin James
Greg Jones
Julius Jones
Kevin Jones
Torry Holt
Jimmy Smith
Ike Hilliard
Muhsin Muhammad
Donald Driver
Todd Heap
Thus far I believe this is the weakest team. I really like the receiving corps on this team, and always like getting the last of the big 3 TE's (whoever it is). With that said, I don't see the Jones' backfield carrying this team, and Edge was picked a little earlier than I would have taken him (Taylor and Wms still on the board). I also don't like the Favre pick in the 6th. I have Tito (Brett) in the same tier as 5 other QB's who were available at that time = I would have waited at least one more round for a QB. For this team to survive, it will need unexpected production at RB (from one of the Jones').
Team Name II
Chad Pennington
Mark Brunell
Ricky Williams
Brian Westbrook
Artose Pinner
Hines Ward
Tai Streets
Joey Galloway
Peerless Price
Larry Fitzgerald
Tony Gonzalez
This draft makes me realize that picking in the 9 hole of a 14 team league is not an overly coveted position. Getting Ricky and Westy w/ his first two picks is about as good as possible, if one is to go RB, RB. With Holt and Henry still on the board w/ the second pick, I would have gone w/ one of them, but that is just personal preference. Picking Holt would have created greater RB2 problems, and Henry could be a bust if McG takes over the starting role (at least w/ Westy you know he'll get approx half the load or more). I really like the WR corps that he ended up with, esp. after going RB, RB; and I also like the Gonzo pick in the 4th. Price in the 5th, and Pennington in the 6th really helped this team. Fitz was also a great pick! I have Chad at the bottom of my last "wanted list" tier of QB's and Brunell certainly has a potential for large upside. A nice draft considering what was available round for round (with the exception of Pinner in the 7th. I believe this was a reach, though a RB3 was needed).
ShadowMaster
Brad Johnson
Tommy Maddox
Fred Taylor
Moe Williams
T.J. Duckett
Duce Staley
David Boston
Isaac Bruce
Dennis Northcutt
Brandon Lloyd
Jeremy Shockey
Jason Elam
This team is not overly sexy on paper, though has good strength at all positions. I cannot criticize any of SM's picks. I love the corps of RB's as I have Fred as my current #8, and Duce, TJ and Moe, could all produce solid #2 numbers (all of them won't, but they all have the potential to!). In this format this is a key to success. Much of this team's chances could revolve around who Pitt takes in rd. 1 and what they do with them. Picking Rivers could hurt Maddox, while picking up a RB, could make Pitt another ugly RBBC (I don't buy into Hayes or Bettis hurting Staley's output beyond resting him). Many will believe that BJ was a bit of a reach, but I like the pick. Garner gives TB a solid receiving back, and all Brad does is put up numbers. These receivers, while a lot of question marks, also include a lot of talent. Bruce, Boston & Lloyd all have huge potential. Solid Team!
Goat Herders
Jake Plummer
Aaron Brooks
Anthony Thomas
Thomas Jones
Steven Jackson
Willis McGahee
Tatum Bell
Randy Moss
Eddie Kennison
Eric Moulds
Roy Williams
Marcus Pollard
While Herd has tried to justify the team he has put together, I'm not quite sure his reasoning is strong enough (as a fan of the Herder, this is not ez to say!). Certainly Herdman is more knowledgeable regarding College talent than the vast majority of this board, but too many picks were used on unproven talent to give this team much of a chance. The joy of this team is that it is an all or nothing type team = capable of championship or utter failure (I always play for championship or nothing so I respect this team even though I don't like it!). Moss in the first was an excellent pick, and virtually guarantees an advantage at WR. Combine this w/ Moulds in the fourth, and Roy's and Eddie's potential, and these receivers are the best thus far (at least until we get to JAA's team!). Yet, using a second on Jackson will either make or break this team. If he ends up the #1 man at Dallas, NE or DET (all feasible) he could be this year's fantasy S.O.D. It's funny to see one pick be this crucial, but his team's success could very well rely on this one pick. Having A-Train and Jones is a nice combo (esp. where drafted!) and McG could steal carries from Henry (though I think Henry could also be a S.O.D.). I love the combo of Brooks and Plummer, as both were obtained at excellent value. Weak at TE, but the question marks live around all TE's not in the big three = most teams will have ?'s here.
JAA
Jeff Garcia
Jon Kitna
A.J. Feeley
Stephen Davis
Onterrio Smith
DeShaun Foster
Quncy Wilson
Marvin Harrison
Anquan Boldin
Steve Smith
Freddie Jones
Ravens BAL
While I would not advocate going RB, WR, WR, WR; this was an excellent value based draft through these rounds. Davis was a great pick-up from the 12 spot, and Harrison as the 17th pick in the draft makes sense. Getting Boldin as the 7th WR taken and Smith as the 12th are awesome value (I'd have taken Moulds instead, but flip a coin for who will produce more). While others were making stabs at RB1's, JAA created an A+ receiving corps. Picking Foster in the 5th, was a desperation move, and not one that I would make. This leaves the team w/ only one solid RB starter unless Onterrio or Wilson do something very unexpected (i.e., consistently produce!). Looking at the WR's available in the 6th, makes me realize that reaching for a RB2 and/or RB3 early makes much more sense. While you picked Foster and Smith (big reaches!), others were putting solid starters on their teams (Look at the players around in the 6th!! = Wow). I don't even want to discuss Kitna in the 7th!! With Garthia and Feeley you have plenty of depth at QB now, but a lot of question marks. In order to compete, you are going to have to find a second RB to produce, though I have no clue who it could be. Maybe Mrs. JAA can help you find one!
The Hybrid Onio
Rich Gannon
Josh McCown
Marshall Faulk
Rudi Johnson
Garrison Hearst
Michael Pittman
Maurice Clarett
Derrick Mason
Laveranues Coles
Peter Warrick CIN
Bubba Franks
Mike Vanderjagt DT
From this spot, you almost have to go RB, RB, WR, WR; and you got about the best you could out of it. Rudi and Faulk both have great upside, though w/ question marks. Coles, Mason and Warrick (in the 7th!!) give a solid group of WR's. Hearst, Pittman and Clarett are super RB3's as all have potential. I also really like the qb's picked. McCown in the 8th and Gannon in the 11th should provide some consistency (esp. if AZ and OAK pick WR's early in the draft!). As a huge QBBC advocate, this pair shows why it is silly to pick a QB early, unless extreme value arises. I look for this team to be a force, as it is strong and deep at all positions (no team other than Buehners' has as much balance and depth IMHO).
Buehners Bums
Trent Green
Marc Bulger
Domanick Davis
Kevan Barlow
Lamont Jordan
Justin Fargas
Santana Moss
Joe Horn
Charles Lee
David Terrell
Shannon Sharpe
Jeff Wilkins
Just as a stated above, drafting at the end of the draft pretty much forces a RB, RB, WR, WR draft. I love the Davis and Barlow backfield (they could be this year's version of last years' Lewis and Taylor, that many picked at the turn = ?'s but huge upside potential!). I'm very surprised Horn fell to the fourth, as I have him before Mason, Moss and Boldin, and think this is his year. Jordan and Fargas are capable RB3's, while Lee and Terrell could be serviceable WR3's. I also LOVE getting Bulger and Green at 5 and 6 = WOW. I seldom pick a qb prior to the 8th, but you must have been drooling when they became available. In this format, having two strong qb's is a huge benefit. You should be guaranteed points here. Getting Sharpe in the 8th was just icing on the cake. I predict this team to win the championship as it has the fewest question marks, the most depth, and scary upside!
That's it, I'm out. Go ahead and criticize my criticism. I'm an academic so I can take it!
(Liquor)
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
All, I'm back. I'm very sorry for my slow picking this weekend. I tried to pre-draft as many as I could, but I had some major poop to attend to.I'll drop some analysis of my picks as soon as I can.Thanks guys.
footballman_696969
Footballguy
Any other thoughts on this?
JAA
Footballguy
Lets get done the draft and then run with this. I think a good idea is to start with the most active people in the mock and then invite others we see fit. We could solicit input from the board. I would like to see a few of the other sharks in this including mlevin, pigskin, captain quin, etc.To be honest, I am looking forward to battling mbeuhner the most
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Why? I have the best team.To be honest, I am looking forward to battling mbeuhner the most
Tiki worries me and your bye weeks will be difficult. Your WR are reaches at best. AGreen should carry you against weaker teams but powerhouse you are not. 
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Thoughts/rationale on my mid-late picks8.11 Randy McMichael TEWell, I could have gone a number of directions with this pick, but when looking over the spots, I could only find one serious playmaker left. McMichael is a very athletic TE. He is the only option at TE when the Dolphins pass. They do use a blocking TE coupled with Randy, but he still gets his catches. Randy is going into the season with uncertainty at QB and a new threat on the field at WR with David Boston. Some may say Boston will steal catches, and some will say he opens the field. I'm somewhere in the middle and think he should see about the same number of looks. Once McMichael has the ball, he is a monster. He is much faster than most LB's and larger than most DB's. I have been a big fan of this kid since he came into the league, and feel he has the most potential outside of the big 3. The only other TE's I would want outside of the top 3 are Crumpler, a risk with Winslow, or an overlooked guy who I like a lot in Mili. All in all, I just wanted a player that I thought would make a difference and at the very least, put up regular numbers. I didn't see any of those at other positions. 9.4 Jerome Bettis RBI'm not a huge fan of Duce Staley. Others are. Jerome bleeds mustard, Duce is the new guy. The way I see it, Jerome is going to score some TD's. Tommy Maddox is a zero threat to punch it in from short yardage, and Duce (although deceptively strong), has never been much of a pounder. Duce WILL be used. He's a lock for 3rd down. He's probably a lock for most every other down as well. And he will catch all the passes. But Cowher loves his bus. He will get Jerome onto the field. Hopefully in the second half of the season when I will need him. I truly think he will get the lions share of the TD's on the ground. I think there is a definite possibility for 8-10 TD's. I know that sounds crazy. But he put up 7 last year while injured, and not starting. This year, if healthy, and not starting, I see no reason why he can't better those numbers. He's old, he's slow, but he's like a bowling ball that you can't stop from getting 1 yard TD's. I'll take him as my #3 back in the 9th round.10.11 Terry Glenn WRThe guy put up 750 and 5 last season. He is slow in the head and his coach calls him a lady. Ok. I just want the numbers. The boys have Keyshawn coming over, but Keyshawn is not a TD scorer. And Keyshawn is not a deep threat. I like Terry Glenn to outproduce Keyshawn however unlikely that may seem. I think he will be the clear #1 guy on the Cowboys, and getting a #1 type WR in the 10th round (Something like 130th player) is a pretty decent value.11.4 David Carr QBMy 3rd QB. Not something I usually do. But this gouges the team owners with no backup (Kerry Collins, Quincy Carter, Jon Kitna, etc). As I stated before, I love Leftwich this year. But the Carr also has 1st round talent, and a team that appears to be headed in the right direction. Either Carr or Leftwich would fetch a nice bounty in a trade I think. And on bye weeks, or during injuries, while my opponents are getting 0's from their QB, I will be secure and happy.12.11 David Akers KHe's a kicker. I had to get one eventually. He's not as good as he used to be, but I see the Eagles stalling near the endzone a bit this season. He's a kicker.13.4 Travis Taylor WRTravis Taylor is the perennial "breakout" guy. One of these years he is gonna BREAKOUT! Well, not likely, but he's still the #1 WR on an NFL team. Even if the Ravens have the most pathetic of passing offenses, I like to have this guy stashed on my bench. I can plug him in on bye weeks. That is his only real value.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I have seen teams much worse than mine in 10 team leagues. That isn't a joke.
Please define "most active people."And just who is this "we" that gets to decide who's fit to be invited?It was proposed that the current twelve owners in this mock turn it into a league. Some wanted to stick with the current rosters and others have suggested redrafting during the summer. No agreement has been made yet as to whether there will be a league or what form it would take.I, however, don't think it's your prerogative to take what has been started and to determine who gets to stay and who has to go.You are, of course, free to start another league with any other FBGs you wish.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I just drafted, as my 5th Running back, Mike Alstott - a guy that has averaged 7 TDs and close to 700 yards on the ground the last 6 years he's been healthy. And he plays for a coach that isn't afraid to let a "goalline running back" spell Charlie Garner inside the 5. I don't "expect" 7 TDs and 700 yards from him this season, but he is worth more then being the 60th RB off the board....Colin
JAA
Footballguy
We as in who had the idea. I think there are a few people from the league I dont want in. I want people who are active on a daily basis and who are competitive and not just 'contributing to the mock'.You can say I have appointed myself king. To an extent I have, but I think there are a few other 'kings' here that want to try and make a Shark Pool league filled with Sharks. I know I do ... I want to be ordained King Shark of the Shark Pool. I am the best, there are none higher
footballman_696969
Footballguy
How does this sound:Two Divisions: North and South Number of Franchises: 14 Number of Roster Spots: 16 Number of Weekly Starters: 8 Head-To-Head Matchups: Yes Number of Starting QBs: 1 Number of Starting RBs: 2 Number of Starting WRs: 2 Number of Starting TEs: 1 Number of Starting PKs: 1 Number of Starting DTs: 1 Ties Are: Counted as ties LEAGUE SCORING Rules for QB, RB, WR, TE, PK Event Range (Low-High) Points Number of Passing TDs 1-10 4.00 points each Passing Yards 1-999 0.04 points each Number of Rushing TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Rushing Yards 1-999 0.10 points each Number of Receiving TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Receiving Yards 1-999 0.10 points each Passing 2 pointers 1-99 2.00 points each Rushing 2 pointers 1-99 2.00 points each Receiving 2 pointers 1-99 2.00 points each Length of FG Made 1-39 3.00 Length of FG Made 40-49 4.00 Length of FG Made 50-59 5.00 Length of FG Made 60-110 6.00 Extra Points 1-99 1.00 point each Rules for DT Event Range (Low-High) Points Number of Punt Return TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Number of Kick Return TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Number of Defensive Fumble Recovery TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Interceptions Caught 1-99 1.00 point each Number of Interception Return TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Blocked Punts 1-99 1.00 point each Number of Blocked Punt TDs 1-10 6.00 points each Sacked a QB 1.00-20.00 0.50 points each Safeties 1-99 2.00 points each Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 1-99 1 point each Total Points Allowed 0-0 10 Total Points Allowed 1-6 6 Total Points Allowed 7-9 4 Total Points Allowed 10-13 3 Total Points Allowed 14-16 2 Total Points Allowed 17-20 1 Blocked Extra Points 1-99 1 point each Blocked Field Goals 1-99 1 point each $25/teamRedraft LeagueLeague will be run on xpertleagues.com Winner is declared Shark Pool ChampionSeven teams with the worst records are kicked out and new owners from the shark pool are brought in
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm not opposed to participating in a league with you guys, but I'm not playing in any redraft with anybody earth where the draft takes place before the NFL draft. Thats just me. When we're done drafting, if somebody wants to take over my team, they can have at it.Colin
JAA
Footballguy
Amos Zereoue and D RhodesUnlike most of you, I dont like picking up the vulter backs, 3rd down backs that will put up 50th ranked RB value. I am looking for the bang or busts now. At this point in the draft I am not picking starting lineup players. In theory I have picked an extra player at each position more than I need to start. I now try and nab players that could explode.Example in M Anderson - even if he gets his fair share of carries AND FF points, you will need to have strted him on those weeks. Not an easy thing to do.Like the Alstott pickup: Even if Alstott gets 700/7 this season will you have started him on the weeks he scores the TDs? Hopefully not. Hopefully you will have had a better player to start those weeks because Alstotts points are not predictable. You dont know when they are coming. If you cant rely on them, they are worthless IMO.
footballman_696969
Footballguy
We will not be using these teams. We'll draft sometime in August.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Is there a possibility of finishing this draft today?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Your logic makes sense right up until you try to defend picking Amos Zereoue who (a) doesn't have a job and (b) has already failed as a feature back and © only experienced marginal success as a 3rd down back...COlin
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm predrafted for the last 2 rounds...Colin
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
What are we gonna do when we are done? Can we solicit some peeps to rate the teams, and more importantly rate the draft picks?
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
I'd love to play in a Shark Pool league with you guys (providing I'm considered 'active' enough)......We would of course have to redraft this some time late August.I'm Ok with the $25.
JAA
Footballguy
I think you are missing the point- Who has a better chance of getting 1000/7? Zereoue or Alstott- Who has a better chance of getting 200/1? Zereoue or AlstottTrick question:- Who has a better chance of scoring more points on your bench and leave you wondering each time he scores "I should have started him this week because of ABC and XYZ" ... "I should have known" ? Zereoue or Alstott
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
So you'd rather have a crappy bench so you don't end up beating your head into a wall when your bench outscores your starters?Interesting....Colin
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Considering Amos has never gotten CLOSE to doing either, and Alstott has gotten close to, or done, both more then once, I'm going to say Alstott.......although neither will be doing so anytime soon.
COlin
JAA
Footballguy
Well, if you think Alstott has a better chance of being a starter on your squad the Zereoue, I cant change your mind.I know what Alstott will do, you know what Alstott will do, everyone here knows what Alstott will do next season.If Amos gets traded or picked up by Oak, NE, Phi, Det, etc, etc I think he has a better outlook than Alstott.BTW - Why did Dillon get drafted ... he 'doesnt have a job' just like Amos?
JAA
Footballguy
FYI - Zereoue StatsConsidering Amos has never gotten CLOSE to doing either, and Alstott has gotten close to, or done, both more then once, I'm going to say Alstott...
....although neither will be doing so anytime soon.
COlin
2002 1100/4Any more questions?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Are we really going to sit here and argue over Amos Zereoue and Mike Alstott? Very well....
Colin
From 1997 to 2002, Alstott finished 21st, 18th, 15th, 36th, 18th, and 34th in Standrard Running Back scoring, meaning in 4 out of 6 years he would have been a viable RB2 in our system. Amos's best finish in 4 years? 28th in 2002.
Colin
Al Davis
Footballguy
HERD or Colin, have not got a chance to say good job on joining the staff. I'm sure you will be weeding the Moe's out now. But to business now, dude how long you been playing FF I am LMAO at your squad. Even given the scoring schematics your team is ugly and I mean ugly. Willis may payoff, huge gamble but then again Drew has to backoff the eight stacked. Please do not hold this against me, just an honest critique. I will do a write-up of each team if anybody wants it. Lot of comedic recipes in that draft.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm fine with you not liking my team. Anytime you don't have a sure-fire Stud RB on your team, you're certainly open to valid criticism.However, I don't think anybody has a better QB duo, my TEs are going to be just fine, my WR are as good as anyone's, and if either of Jackson or McGahee "blows up", then, in combination with whoever ends up as the feature back in Chicago, my RBs should be able to keep me above water. Of all my backs, I think there are two that will finish in the top-20, which is all a team like this should need to remain competitive.Thanks for your comments though. Colin
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I think I do.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Just bc I think he might finish top 10, doesn't mean I will draft him there. I will take him, if he is my best value at the time I pick. I believe approx 20 WR's could be top 10. The tough part is spending time figuring out which order I really want them, and what order I think others will want them so that I can get who I want as LATE as I can!!
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I seriously don't think I had a better prospect than Bettis available. Culpepper, while making my QB position great, also was my 2nd pick and sort of forced me to end my early RB picks to 2 (Green/Barber).
