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Pick Team Player Pos 1.1 Waterbottles L Tomlinson RB 1.2 Red Rum P Holmes RB 1.3 Juice\'s Core D McAllister RB 1.4 Britneys Basher A Green RB 1.5 Psycho C Portis RB 1.6 redsoxfan S Alexander RB 1.7 Mike Vick Show J Lewis RB 1.8 Crusaders E James RB 1.9 Team Name R Williams RB 1.10 Shadowmaster F Taylor RB 1.11 Goat Herders R Moss WR 1.12 JAA S Davis RB 1.13 onion M Faulk RB 1.14 Buehners Bums K Barlow RB 2.1 Buehners Bums D Davis RB 2.2 onion R Johnson RB 2.3 JAA M Harrison WR 2.4 Goat Herders S Jackson RB 2.5 Shadowmaster D Staley RB 2.6 Team Name B Westbrook RB 2.7 Crusaders T Holt WR 2.8 Mike Vick Show T Henry RB 2.9 redsoxfan C Dillon RB 2.10 Psycho P Manning QB "First QB to go and not the least." 2.11 Britneys Basher D Culpepper QB 2.12 Juice\'s Core M Bennett RB 2.13 Red Rum C Garner RB 2.14 Waterbottles L Suggs RB 3.1 Waterbottles C Johnson WR 3.2 Red Rum T Owens WR 3.3 Juice\'s Core D McNabb QB 3.4 Britneys Basher T Barber RB 3.5 Psycho M Shipp RB
redCashion
Footballguy
Britney, sorry I didn't see the trade offer until I had already picked. Btw, I love when things fall together in such a way in a 14 team draft that I come away with a team that I would happy with in a 12 teamer. That's always my yardstick in deep drafts such as this.Current Roster:HolmesGarnerOwensAll homerun hitters that have a good chance at scoring 20 points on any given week. Of course Garner and Owens are risks with their changing teams, but I think both of them have gone somewhere much more favorable than where they were.
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Brintey Spears
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Ok, my summary since it will be a long time till I pick again. Ahman is a RB and pretty good. Not much to talk about there.My 2nd and 3rd picks were not nearly as simple.I had Tiki Barber targeted for LONG time. I actually tried to trade up several times to insure that I got him. I'm sure some of you have tired of my trade offers.I think the talk of Ron Dayne cutting into his production is vastly overstated. Ron Dayne is a power back and not a very good one at that. He struggles to move piles that seem like he should be more than capable of moving. He is not very fast either. Tiki has proven time and time again that he is extremely solid in the passing game, and can turn in a 50/50 game regularly. That is still 10 points from a RB2. And when he scores, that is all gravy.The Gintz have a new coach. Drill Master went RBBC in Jax with Taylor and Mack and could do the same in NY. I see Taylor and Barber being similar, but Taylor is probably a bit more talented. On the other hand, I think Mack is also more talented at the goal line than Dayne is. So I'm sure we will see our share of Ronnie Dayne at the goal line. Especially early in the season. Hopefully Daynes carries will allow Tiki to stay healthy and fresh as he tends to get dinged. I think it will shake out like it always has in the end Dayne will end up on the bench, and Tiki will get his carries, catches and a few TD's sprinkled in. I am ecstatic to have him as my RB2. Now, couple that with my pick for the #1 QB in the game (Tank Culpepper). I have always loved Manning, and I think he and Culpepper will finish #1 and #2 in the league. I think they were drafted backwards though (no disrespect to psycho). Culpepper throws to Moss. I love Moss. Culpepper also gets goal line TD's an awful lot. TO me, Manning is MUCH more of a threat to score from 20-30 yards out, but when they get to the goal line, there is the chance that Edge will smash it in. When the Vikes get the opportunity to score, it's either a jump ball to Randy, or a Pepper Shaker up the gut. I just feel that he is given the chance to score more than Peyton. Now, I will miss the chance for those 5 TD pass games that Manning puts up from time to time, but it's not like I actually passed on him. I was handed him and didn't really have the choice. But given the choice I would have taken Culpepper. Call it a coin flip. But I love the way he sits at the top of my roster.And the drop after those two (at QB) is a cliff IMO.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Red, no worries at all. I thank the stars that you didn't accept actually. I didn't think I would have the chance for my guy, but he came through for me...
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I changed my team name. "Britney's Bashers" wouldn't fit.Not that it really matters. Big props to the name "Team Name". I was very close to using that myself.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
My MIP's (Most interesting picks) at this point. Of course my opinion.Steals/Good value:
S.Alexander (1.6)
R.Williams (1.9)
T.Henry (2.8)
C.Johnson (3.1)
T.Barber (3.4)
Reaches/Poor value:
M.Faulk (1.13)
D.Staley (2.5)
D.McNabb (3.3)
Great Questions/High Risk-Reward:
C.Portis (1.5)
S.Jackson (2.4)
C.Dillon (2.9)
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babydemon90
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Subject: XL: You're on the clock Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:02:39 -0400 From: "Xpert Leagues" <support@xpertleagues.com> Add to Address Book This is a message to alert you that Britneys Basher is on the clock for pick 2.11 in the Offseason Sucks draft.Please visit the site and make your selection as soon as possible! Xpert Leagues Now I'm getting emails that my replacement is on the clock. Gotta rub in the salt, eh?
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I was wondering why I wasn't getting any emails! Sorry about that. You wanna collaborate on my next pick!?
babydemon90
Footballguy
lol....probably should email the site admin there, bug found.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
He's in this draft. And in this thread...
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I almost put Barlow in my Steals list. I really think he will put up better numbers than Faulk, and possibly even Stephen Davis. But then I thought, it's still a little gamble, and I think he was drafted at the right spot in this draft.In a 10 or even 12 person draft, I think he would go a little later. But we are all very RB starved and he was the 13th back taken. I think that is about right. The ONLY guy taken after him that I might take over him is Henry. I've already made known my Henry man love.
Sir Psycho
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I'd add C Dillon at 2.9 as a reach also.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I put him on my list as a question. If this draft was not so early, things would be different, but if he's a starting RB with little competition on a team like the Raiders he could be listed as a steal. If he retires, well...
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Ouch! Vick taken right before his biggest fan can snatch him up.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I sort of agree.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
If the Giants draft Gallery, that would bump Tiki a bit more.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
When Staley runs like an animal for Pittsburgh this year - remember this thread....
.I think it was a good pick, but I think there is comprobably QB value on the board. However, if DMac lives up to my projections, you will be money
redCashion
Footballguy
That's a strange one, I'll take a look at it later...
While I understand being DOWN on certain players, calling Edge and Deuce reaches is really silly - also taking the third best receiver - Holt - in the mid-second round in a 14 team draft while the RBs are fading away is also not a reach. A "reach" is picking someone well above their perceived vale - not picking them well above where you *subjectively* think they will end up. be clear on what you mean by reach.Same thing applies to your "remains to be seen" category - there is really no "remains to be seen" in the first three rounds of drafting - the players' perceived value at this point is likely their perceived value going forward - I think all three of the players you have listed there are picked at "zero value" - they must perform as expected by their drafters or they retain no value - similar to any first round selections.That said, the same thing re: perceived value applies to your "steals" of Ricky Williams and Suggs. Ricky went exactly where he "should" go - just under the top backs. He did not have an elite year in 2003, and he will be running behind a completely rebuilt OL. He must be considered below the backs who will have consistency in front of them and a good season behind them. I don't know how Suggs is a "steal" when in reality, based on the objective factors about him, he's a "reach" in the second when he has played only two pro games, and isn't 100% assured of the feature role - and where other feature backs remained on the board. How much higher SHOULD he have been picked that would make the pick of Suggs in the late 2nd a "steal?"Finally, 100% agreement on THenry as the steal of the draft - in a 14-team draft, for THenry, a top-12 back last year on only 15 games, to last until the 22nd overall pick is a shocker. BEHIND Westbrook, a rookie, and Staley - inexcusable, guys.I also agree with T Barber as a steal - he was three or four TDs away from being as good a RB as Stephen Davis last year in overall FF points scored - he had ~1700 total yards from scrimmage - and he was available in the third round of a 14-team draft. And now he has an invigoration of renewed energy with Coughlin. He will make an excellent sleeper RB2 if he falls to near the 32nd overall spot in most leagues - that's late third round in a 12-team draft.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
You gonna give us a review of the teams? Somebody should. Maybe after the first 3 rounds (premiere reounds) are done?
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Slevin, you should have read my steals/reaches thing. It was better. Wink.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
I already explained my thinking on the Staley over Henry pick.Being from Pittsburgh, I'm SURE I was tainted in my view some, but I don't think it was that bad of a move. Staley will make a strong RB2 in the Pittsburgh system.With Staley signed, I see them going QB and DB in the first 2 rounds of the draft.
Only because each of them will probably miss games this year and Barlow has a better chance to play all 16 games since now the 9ers MUST have him on the field to win games.If I had any confidence in Marshal playing even 14 games or SDavis finishing the year healthy, they'd be above Barlow on all my boards. As it stands they are in the same bucket - happy with any of the three as my RB2, very unhappy if I'm forced to pick one (and only one) as my RB1.Of that "next tier" bucket of Henry, Barlow, DDavis, SDavis, MFaulk, Rudi, I would not feel confident in anyone of them to match a Deuce, LT, or Priest at the RB position, but any two of them could, on a given week, counter Priest plus a lower echelon RB2. IMO, that should be the thought pattern regarding your backs when you are faced with "non-elite" level RBs in the first.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
20 dollars says Stephen Jackson outproduces Henry in Fantasy points this year, regardless of where he is drafted.Bet?
HERD
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I just feel, that since he is the only show in town, and put up VERY good numbers last season in that role, he has the best chance of any of those listed backs to be an elite back (and it would certainly take the stars alignment). Couple that with the fact that he was picked AFTER Faulk and Davis, who I think have already peaked, I think you have a pretty good value pick. Not as good as the Henry @ 2.8, but still pretty good I thought.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
Injuries make the bet null/void.Standard Scoring - 1 point per 10 yards, rushing or receiving. 6 points for a TD.Yada Yada:counts$$$:HERD
Slevin, dont call my reasoning silly. If Deuce is 5th on my chart and he goes 3rd thats a reach from my perspective. He could almost certainly be gotten at 5 so not trading down and getting him is a reach. If thats the guy you want, theres no reason not to reach. Its not a bad word it just means you take a player that could have been had x amount of picks later. Same goes for steals, Ricky Williams ADP is 1.6, Edge is 1.10. If RW slides to you at 9 thats a steel as far as im concerned. If you wanted to lock him youd have to trade up 3 spaces. Dont push your definitions on me and call mine silly.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Getting a player with an ADP of 1.6 at 9 is hardly a steal. Good value maybe, but Steal implies he went WAY late - not just a few picks.Henry is the only real player to drop so far - and he has to answer questions and hold off a job challenge to make him a steal at that.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
I sorta agree. But when the draft is moving a little slow, and you want to do some analysis on a total of about 2 and a half rounds, we are bound to split a few hairs.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Hey, knowledgable people.When we pick a player, and they are on our roster, it says FP for the final column. Assuming that is fantasy points, when is that from? Last season? Projected?
redsoxfan
Footballguy
That was pretty much my thinking in taking him. Yes, there is certainly the risk that he could end up being worthless but that can be mitigated by drafting another RB later to cover for that possibility. The upside if he gets a starting gig is huge, especially if he ended up in Oakland under Norv Turner who loves to feed the ball to a RB. Dillon is really too good not to have a job somewhere, in spite of his attitude.Of course I was hoping to see Henry drop all the way down to me but alas, that plan was foiled.The only other player I really considered was Tiki, but I really have doubts about him being a fantasy stud this year. Sure, it's true that Ron Dayne is a fat slug, but look what Coughlin did for Stacy Mack a few years back. There's a good chance he will not get the goal line touches he did last year, and if he doesn't stop fumbling the ball then Coughlin will reduce all his touches.Agree on Dillon - if he becomes the Raiders' feature back, or somehow goes to the Cowboys or Patriots, he is instantly a starting RB who will probably have a top-20, could have a top-15, and an outside chance of a top-12 finish.
Brintey Spears
Footballguy
Thanks! Good to know...
