***** ALL-TIME NBA/ABA DRAFT ***** (Scoobus is Champion!) (2 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

They didn’t even have minimum play rules back then?  
 

Sucks being a coaches kid (I tell my kids this all the time since I coached all their teams up until high school). 

Aw, man...my favorite baseball coach was just a really good man, played in the minor leagues, taught us so much next-level stuff in drills. Quiet, kind, encouraging - never ever heard anyone say a bad word about Maury.

Then we got to the championship game and he picked his son as the starting pitcher. Davis was alright but he was like our 3rd or 4th best starter (it was admittedly a stacked team), bit of a junkballer bc he just didn’t have the arm strength. It worked out for us; he pitched the game of his life and we won comfortably (5-2 or something), but man was that a shock to all of us.

Evem now, looking back 45 years later, it still feels like WTH was that man.

 

 

[BobbyLayne]

1960s (and prior years) rankings 

No spoilers, of course, but mine came up thusly:

Tier 1 - Two very, very close teams. Huge drop to the next tier.

Tier 2 - Seven teams, which I felt could have gone in most any order.

Tier 3 - Three close teams but not really that strong tbh.

Tier 4 - Three which as a strategy chose (for the most part) to punt this category and build strengths elsewhere.

Tier 5 - One team didn’t submit players (yet.)

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not germane to the draft but when I came home tonight my 80 year old neighbor swung the door open to say hello; asked if I would like some chicken n waffles. Unfortunately I’d already eaten. I tried not to be rude but ducked inside quickly. She was standing in the door topless. Reasonably sure she was oblivious. 

Guess maybe I’ll mention it to Mrs Williams’ daughter next time she comes around.

 

[scoobus]

We’re releasing these tonight?

 

[wikkidpissah]

Not germane to the draft but when I came home tonight my 80 year old neighbor swung the door open to say hello; asked if I would like some chicken n waffles. Unfortunately I’d already eaten. I tried not to be rude but ducked inside quickly. She was standing in the door topless. Reasonably sure she was oblivious. 

Guess maybe I’ll mention it to Mrs Williams’ daughter next time she comes around.

you spelt obvious wrong

 

[Gr00vus]

We’re releasing these tonight?

Mrs. Williams released them already. With chicken and waffles on the side.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Mrs. Williams released them already. With chicken and waffles on the side.

I see her picking up senior meals all the time and delivering them to people in the neighborhood. Nice to know the seniors are taking care of each other.

She was probably a smoke show 50-60 years ago. But this goes to our earlier discussion about comparing different eras.

 

[Zegras11]

1960s (and prior years) rankings 

No spoilers, of course, but mine came up thusly:

Tier 1 - Two very, very close teams. Huge drop to the next tier.

Tier 2 - Seven teams, which I felt could have gone in most any order.

Tier 3 - Three close teams but not really that strong tbh.

Tier 4 - Three which as a strategy chose (for the most part) to punt this category and build strengths elsewhere.

Tier 5 - One team didn’t submit players (yet.)

I'm seeing just about this also.

We’re releasing these tonight?

I've got four more teams to do.  Might be finished tonight.

 

[Yo Mama]

We’re releasing these tonight?

Just waiting on Getzalf (unless there are any other stragglers). 
 

Ive got everything ready to go aside from some last tweaking of the numbers with the final rankings. I’ll roll them out in the morning. 

 

[wikkidpissah]

She was standing in the door topless. Reasonably sure she was oblivious. 

I’ll roll them out in the morning. 

Nudging ever closer to a "Yoga Pants - Senior Edition" thread

 

[Instinctive]

Just waiting on Getzalf (unless there are any other stragglers). 
 

Ive got everything ready to go aside from some last tweaking of the numbers with the final rankings. I’ll roll them out in the morning. 

I'm trying to send mine in tonight but don't let me hold it up

 

[Frostillicus]

Just waiting on Getzalf (unless there are any other stragglers). 
 

Ive got everything ready to go aside from some last tweaking of the numbers with the final rankings. I’ll roll them out in the morning. 

You will start rolling them out tonight. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Nudging ever closer to a "Yoga Pants - Senior Edition" thread

I need one of them machines from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Cannot unsee it.

 

[Yo Mama]

I'm trying to send mine in tonight but don't let me hold it up

Tonight works. Thanks. 

 

[Mister CIA]

I passed Coby Dietrick a few times in the Tex-Mex aisle at an HEB in San Antonio.

 

[Mister CIA]

Judging, unless poked and prodded I'll avoid passing judgement on the 60s rosters, (a) because work is eating me up, and (b) I've got no real basis for judgement.  ... and (c) I'm busy decompresing.  I mean I could attempt to pull up dozens of b-ref pages and scribble lots of notes, but I'd quickly tire of that. Might do the same for the 70s too, but I'll be loud and rude once we hit 80s.

 

[Mister CIA]

1960s (and prior years) rankings 

No spoilers, of course, but mine came up thusly:

Tier 1 - Two very, very close teams. Huge drop to the next tier.

Tier 2 - Seven teams, which I felt could have gone in most any order.

Tier 3 - Three close teams but not really that strong tbh.

Tier 4 - Three which as a strategy chose (for the most part) to punt this category and build strengths elsewhere.

Tier 5 - One team didn’t submit players (yet.)

So, you're telling me there's a chance.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So, you're telling me there's a chance.

I promise I ranked yours ahead of higgins.

 

[Mister CIA]

I promise I ranked yours ahead of higgins.

I'm banking on you being a huge Butch Komives fan.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm banking on you being a huge Butch Komives fan.

I was never close enough to Howard to call him by his nickname. I am familiar with his story. Former NCAA scoring champ, failed shooting guard, struggled as a point guard, fought with teammate Cazzie Russell, traded for DeBusschere. He sucked with the Pistons as well. Kind of cool he was Nate Thurmond’s college teammate for two years though.

On a lighter note, discovered a new song (to me) today which is sublime: In Layers

 

[modogg]

1960s (and prior years) rankings 

No spoilers, of course, but mine came up thusly:

Tier 1 - Two very, very close teams. Huge drop to the next tier.

Tier 2 - Seven teams, which I felt could have gone in most any order.

Tier 3 - Three close teams but not really that strong tbh.

Tier 4 - Three which as a strategy chose (for the most part) to punt this category and build strengths elsewhere.

Tier 5 - One team didn’t submit players (yet.)

hmm i like the teaser. I think i can't help with 60s, 70s and probably 80s judging because i am pretty sure my calls will be pretty biased, based off of the videos i watched to draft guys and a few articles i saw about players that were probably biased as well. 

Interested to see how these breakdown.... I am going to guess MoDogg's 60s land in that Tier 2, hopefully. 

 

[trader jake]

1960s (and prior years) rankings 

No spoilers, of course, but mine came up thusly:

Tier 1 - Two very, very close teams. Huge drop to the next tier.

Tier 2 - Seven teams, which I felt could have gone in most any order.

12 drafters confidently tell themselves they're good right now.

 

[Instinctive]

12 drafters confidently tell themselves they're good right now.

I'm nervous/excited because I had a tier of 3 at the top and am now hoping my own team isn't the one I was wrong about.

 

[Frostillicus]

I'm nervous/excited because I had a tier of 3 at the top and am now hoping my own team isn't the one I was wrong about.

You were in my top 3.

 

[Frostillicus]

You were in my top 3.

I was not.

 

[Instinctive]

I was not.

Interesting. You made mine. HA. 

 

[Yo Mama]

Interesting. You made mine. HA. 

GET A ROOM YOU TWO!

 

[Frostillicus]

omg boring

 

[Mister CIA]

GET A ROOM YOU TWO!

You complete my sentences.

 

[Yo Mama]

omg boring

Wait until I slow roll the results one team per hour tomorrow

 

[Jayrod]

Wait until I slow roll the results one team per hour tomorrow

This is the highlight of my week, I need you to hurry up and tell me that I got 12th.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm nervous/excited because I had a tier of 3 at the top and am now hoping my own team isn't the one I was wrong about.

You were in my top 3.

I had you both in my top 3.

 

[Jayrod]

I'll go ahead and get the ball rolling. 

60's Judging: #16 - 1 pt - higgins

DNP - Coach's Decision

 

[Yo Mama]

I'll go ahead and get the ball rolling. 

60's Judging: #16 - 1 pt - higgins

DNP

Spoiler alert!!!

Would still beat wikkid’s 00s team. 

 

[Zegras11]

Sent my rankings in...  that was fun, but never again.  Sorry it took so long

 

[Zegras11]

So I had each team playing 14 games vs all the other teams.

The MVP of this league was Oscar Robertson. There were ten guards he absolutely destroyed.

All First Team - PG Oscar, SG West, SF Baylor, PF Petit, C Wilt

The ALL "I Beat Higgins" Team - Butch Komives PG, Frank Selvy SG, SF Satch Sanders, PF Don Kojis, C LeRoy Ellis

 

[Instinctive]

Sent my rankings in...  that was fun, but never again.  Sorry it took so long

Perhaps there's a pared down version for future decades? Really looking forward to some outside perspectives - THANK YOU!

 

[Jayrod]

@Yo Mama  Where you is?

 

[Instinctive]

@Yo Mama  Where you is?

It's still only like 7am Pacific.

 

[Jayrod]

It's still only like 7am Pacific.

And he was apparently last on the board 4 hours ago....at like 3am Pacific.

We may be waiting a while. 

It's already 9:15 here in flyover country.

 

[Yo Mama]

And he was apparently last on the board 4 hours ago....at like 3am Pacific.

We may be waiting a while. 

It's already 9:15 here in flyover country.

Weird, I was sleeping then. Updating the numbers and will start rolling soon

 

[scoobus]

This is making me miss the drauction reveals, man those were fun.

 

[Yo Mama]

It’s like Christmas morning where your parents make you wash the breakfast dishes before you can open presents. 

 

[Yo Mama]

1960s and Prior Rankings

Judging

I took all the rankings provided to me (10 total judges) and averaged all the scores for an overall ranking.  Ties will be broken based on which team had the most judges ranking it higher (no ties this time).

There was some decent variability related to how hard it was to judge the large time period with significantly changing styles of play.  That said, there were some pretty distinct tiers in the overall rankings and I will release the results based on those groupings.

On to the rankings. . .

 

[Jayrod]

It’s like Christmas morning where your parents make you wash the breakfast dishes before you can open presents. 

The apostle Paul specifically warns against this kind of behavior in Ephesians 6:4 -  "Fathers, do not provoke (exasperate) your children to anger."

 

[Yo Mama]

1960s and Prior Rankings, continued

PROVIDENCE STEAMROLLERS DIVISION

The Steamrollers were the worst team in the fledgling Basketball Association of America.  In their only years of existence from 1946-47 to 1948-49, the Steamrollers were a combined 46 wins and 122 losses (.274 win %) and never made the playoffs.  Key players included George Nostrand who at 6’8” was the tallest player in the league’s first year, as well as Nat Hickey who at the ripe old age of 45 remains the oldest player in BAA/NBL/NBA history.  Fun fact: the Steamrollers remain the only major pro sports team to be based in Rhode Island.

This dubious tier goes solely to Higgins, who unfortunately wasn’t able to fill out his 1960s and Prior roster, so I will fill it with the greats of Steamroller past in honor of this prestigious recognition.

16th place - 1 point

Higgins  - Ernie Calverley, Kenny Sailors, Howie Shannon, Old Nat Hickey, George Nostrand

Average Score: 1.0   Best: 1   Worst: 1

 

[Jayrod]

1960s and Prior Rankings, continued

PROVIDENCE STEAMROLLERS DIVISION

The Steamrollers were the worst team in the fledgling Basketball Association of America.  In their only years of existence from 1946-47 to 1948-49, the Steamrollers were a combined 46 wins and 122 losses (.274 win %) and never made the playoffs.  Key players included George Nostrand who at 6’8” was the tallest player in the league’s first year, as well as Nat Hickey who at the ripe old age of 45 remains the oldest player in BAA/NBL/NBA history.  Fun fact: the Steamrollers remain the only major pro sports team to be based in Rhode Island.

This dubious tier goes solely to Higgins, who unfortunately wasn’t able to fill out his 1960s and Prior roster, so I will fill it with the greats of Steamroller past in honor of this prestigious recognition.

16th place - 1 point

Higgins  - Ernie Calverley, Kenny Sailors, Howie Shannon, Old Nat Hickey, George Nostrand

Average Score: 1.0   Best: 1   Worst: 1

  Awesome. 

I'm trying not to actually laugh out loud enough that my co-workers start to wonder about me here.

ETA:  Just read up on Nat Hickey.  Oldest player to ever play professional basketball at nearly 46 (2 days shy of his B-day) for the Steamrollers.  He was the coach who put himself in the lineup for 2 games.

 

[Yo Mama]

  Awesome. 

I'm trying not to actually laugh out loud enough that my co-workers start to wonder about me here.

The next one is my favorite. 

 

[Yo Mama]

1960s and Prior Rankings, continued

TOLEDO JIM WHITE CHEVROLETS DIVISION

Man, did the NBL have some incredible team names.  I highly recommend a quick wiki perusal of the epic NBL teams – this was my favorite so it headlines our next tier.  The team was originally called the White Huts, but when the owner couldn’t afford the league mandated $1500 fee, local businessman Jim White paid the fee, bought the team new uniforms, and provided the team with a new station wagon to use so the team name was changed to reflect White’s car dealership name. The Jim White Chevrolets played in the 3600 seat Toledo Civic Auditorium, where opposing teams hated to play since the floor was always slippery and players kept getting injured.  Talk about home court advantage!  During the 1941-42 season, the Toledo Jim White Chevrolets were playing a game on December 7th against the Indianapolis Kautskies when it was announced over the loudspeakers that the Japanese had just bombed Pearl Harbor.  The Jim White Chevrolets lost their league leading scorer, Chuck Chuckovits (I swear that was his name!) in 1942 when he joined the Army to fight in World War II.   During the war years due to the need for more players, the Jim White Chevrolets became one of two teams to become the first professional sports teams to add Black players – years before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in MLB.  Toledo Jim White Chevrolets!! (Had to say it one more time)

This tier is made up with teams missing the key superstars of the era or with some holes in the roster (or both), although these teams should be honored to be in a tier named for such a historic NBL team.

15th place - 2 points

Mister CIA  - Butch Komives, Tom Van Arsdale, Happy Hairston, Jerry Lucas, Walter Dukes

Average Score: 3.1   Best: 10   Worst: 2

14th place - 3 points

Modogg  - Don Ohl, Hal Greer, Bob Boozer, Bill Bridges, Zelmo Beaty

Average Score: 3.9   Best: 10   Worst: 2

13th place - 4 points

Jayrod  - Gene Shue, Richie Guerin, Roger Brown, Harry Gallatin, Red Kerr

Average Score: 4.6   Best: 7   Worst: 2

 

[Yo Mama]

So should I space these out or just dump them all out in a row?