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I grew up watching those Pistons teams so I know. I do think his better TS%, less turnovers is probably also because he was the 5th-6th offensive option for the team where as Sikma was typically the first option. That matters a lot IMO. Maybe Bill could have been a 1A or 1B for an NBA team but we never got a chance to see it.
Not in terms of PPG. 84-85, 85-86, 83-84, 86-87,88-89, 81-82, 82-83 are all among the top 25 NBA seasons for PPG in the order I listed them.
What year was Sikma the #1 option?
If you use Pace as the metric my statement is validated.
certainly was a down time for the Sixers. but in his defense, he was getting more coverage then teams that had a few talented guys.
Not really. 85-86, 86-87 and 88-89 are among the 15th fastest paced NBA seasons in the 70 years of the league.
You are right Sikma was more of the 2nd option during his peak early 80s career. As for Bill, I was just going off what you said when you had the 3 guards and the 3 SFs as the core of the offense.
Challenge accepted BobbyLayne. Today I'll attempt to entertain and educate in the Magic Johnson vs. Larry Bird debate. Today the two rivals appear in Capital One commercials during the NCAA tournament, but it was once much different.BobbyLayne said:OH SORRY AM I BORING THE #### OUT OF YOU? Welcome to the world of reading your write ups. lol
Yeah, they never really ran the offense through him. Like as they went through the rotation if Zeke was off the floor then Vinnie and/or the current 3 stayed on. But I also remember Chuck drawing up plays for him when they were losing mo. He was pretty clutch. Plus it was def OK to go to him closing minutes bc he was almost always their best FT shooter.
1973-79 were the 6 highest Pace in league history.
in my choosies criteria (IOW, at their peaks), i take Ruland over Sikma or Laimbeer.
Thanks. I know on the bolded, but he never needed much room to operate. It seems he preferred to work with his guy on his hip rather than out in space.
Let's get into this as Larry Bird would to all challengers - with some trash talk (that adheres to "Sorry Joe" parameters).
Again, this was directed at a group of All-Stars and some of the best shooters on the planet. Of course, Bird backed up his trash talk and won the contest for the third year in a row.
And with that post, it is time to pin the thread already.Let's get into this as Larry Bird would to all challengers - with some trash talk (that adheres to "Sorry Joe" parameters).
This is a very good team Ilov80s...it's just too bad it's going up against teams with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. That team may even be strong enough to win some decades, just not this one. You may love the 80s but it doesn't love you back enough. Hey, there's nothing wrong with a bronze medal, so know your lane and go after what you can reasonably achieve. Now back to the bench with you.
You know those consistently irritating best player of all-time debates with Michael Jordan vs LeBron James? Yeah, me too. There’s none of that with NBA trash talking *Larry Bird was the best trash-talker in NBA history* bar none. He is Michael and LeBron combined in this category. So, talk if you must, but you already know how it will end.
Some trash-talking highlights...always backed up on the court:
This is what the best of the best of the best do. Larry Bird would tell you what he was going to do and then he did it. It didn't matter if the opponent was an All-Star or if the defender was a future Hall of Famer, Larry Bird was that good. Try and rattle him and you get what you deserve. This is Larry rattled. Bird just said he was going to lead Team Trader Jake to the 16 points in the 1980's voting. Plan accordingly.
- Throughout his career Larry would ask players on the road what the scoring record in that arena was. Once he was even asked why and he responded, "Well, you’re guarding me, aren’t you?”
- Indiana’s Chuck Person said he was going “Bird Hunting” once. Bird overheard and immediately fired a three-pointer right in his face. While the ball was in mid-air he turned to him and snarled, “Merry ####### Christmas” as the shot went through the net.
- Xavier McDaniel once made the mistake of talking trash with Larry Legend as well. Boston was down one-point with under 10 seconds left when Bird told X-Man, “I’m going to get the ball right here and I am going to shoot it right in your face,” He worked for the ball, got to the spot he’d pointed out, and hit the game-winning shot. On the way back down the floor he told McDaniel, "I didn’t mean to leave two seconds on the clock."
- Along those same lines, Bird once told the Mavs bench exactly how he was going to score on the next play. “So you got that?” Bird said. “I’m gonna stand right here. I’m not going to move. They’ll pass me the ball, and the next sound you hear will be the ball hitting the bottom of the net.” The next time down the floor, Bird was true to his word, and winked at the Dallas bench afterwards for good measure.
- In one of his more well-known trash-talking examples, Bird arrived at Chicago Stadium to defend his back-to-back three-point titles in 1988, looked around the locker room and asked, “So, who’s coming in second?”
- Craig Hodges won the 1990 Three-Point Contest and was asked if there would be an asterisk next to his victory because he didn’t go against Bird, who had won the first three contests. Hodges responded, “He knows where to find me.” That comment was relayed to Bird who replied, “Yeah, at the end of the Bulls’ bench.”
- Noted trash-talker Reggie Miller even got in the act once before realizing Larry wasn't some sub-6 foot director. Miller tried to get in his head when he was at the free-throw line and Bird snapped back, "I am the best ####### shooter in the league. In the league, understand? And you’re up here trying to ####### tell me something?” Bird then hit both free throws without the ball touching the rim.
- Toward the end of Bird's career the Pacers put rookie George McCloud on him. This amused Larry, so he turned to the bench and said, “I know you guys are desperate, but can’t you find someone who at least has a prayer?”
- Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest defenders of all-time, was not immune to Larry's infamous trash-talking. Rodman was guarding Bird when he scored four consecutive baskets on him. Bird then started yelling at Pistons head coach Chuck Daly. “Who’s guarding me, Chuck? Is anyone guarding me? You better get someone on me or I’m gonna go for 60!” Rodman then started going into NBA Finals, game 7 defensive mode to deny him the ball, but Bird was still yelling. “I’m open! Hurry up before they notice nobody is guarding me!” He then secured the ball and promptly scored again.
- For one final trash-talking example, let's go to the 1984-85 season and the Boston Celtics are visiting the Atlanta Hawks (in New Orleans). This was two days after he ran a 5-mile charity race and he may have even been hungover (denied by Larry). To cut to the chase, Larry Bird put up 60 points in one of the best shooting displays in NBA history. Amazingly, this isn't what most people even remember about that game. What most remember is Bird running down the court asking the Hawks, “in the trainer’s lap — who wants it?” Meaning he was going to hit a deep three right in somebody's face. Doc Rivers had this to say about it, "[Bird] shot this high rainbow, it goes in, Rickey [Brown] bumps into him and accidentally knocks him on our trainer’s lap. So it was exactly what he said, it was an accident but it was almost fate." Go to the 3:15 mark and watch Larry's trash-talking being backed up. Be sure to go back and watch the Hawks bench as Bird hit the shot. Even Hawks players Cliff Levingston and Eddie Johnson were losing their minds.
the thing Bird has to worry about against @Ilov80s's team is the glare off the interior defenseLet's get into this as Larry Bird would to all challengers - with some trash talk (that adheres to "Sorry Joe" parameters).
This is a very good team Ilov80s...it's just too bad it's going up against teams with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. That team may even be strong enough to win some decades, just not this one. You may love the 80s but it doesn't love you back enough. Hey, there's nothing wrong with a bronze medal, so know your lane and go after what you can reasonably achieve. Now back to the bench with you.
You know those consistently irritating best player of all-time debates with Michael Jordan vs LeBron James? Yeah, me too. There’s none of that with NBA trash talking *Larry Bird was the best trash-talker in NBA history* bar none. He is Michael and LeBron combined in this category. So, talk if you must, but you already know how it will end.
Some trash-talking highlights...always backed up on the court:
This is what the best of the best of the best do. Larry Bird would tell you what he was going to do and then he did it. It didn't matter if the opponent was an All-Star or if the defender was a future Hall of Famer, Larry Bird was that good. Try and rattle him and you get what you deserve. This is Larry rattled. Bird just said he was going to lead Team Trader Jake to the 16 points in the 1980's voting. Plan accordingly.
- Throughout his career Larry would ask players on the road what the scoring record in that arena was. Once he was even asked why and he responded, "Well, you’re guarding me, aren’t you?”
- Indiana’s Chuck Person said he was going “Bird Hunting” once. Bird overheard and immediately fired a three-pointer right in his face. While the ball was in mid-air he turned to him and snarled, “Merry ####### Christmas” as the shot went through the net.
- Xavier McDaniel once made the mistake of talking trash with Larry Legend as well. Boston was down one-point with under 10 seconds left when Bird told X-Man, “I’m going to get the ball right here and I am going to shoot it right in your face,” He worked for the ball, got to the spot he’d pointed out, and hit the game-winning shot. On the way back down the floor he told McDaniel, "I didn’t mean to leave two seconds on the clock."
- Along those same lines, Bird once told the Mavs bench exactly how he was going to score on the next play. “So you got that?” Bird said. “I’m gonna stand right here. I’m not going to move. They’ll pass me the ball, and the next sound you hear will be the ball hitting the bottom of the net.” The next time down the floor, Bird was true to his word, and winked at the Dallas bench afterwards for good measure.
- In one of his more well-known trash-talking examples, Bird arrived at Chicago Stadium to defend his back-to-back three-point titles in 1988, looked around the locker room and asked, “So, who’s coming in second?”
- Craig Hodges won the 1990 Three-Point Contest and was asked if there would be an asterisk next to his victory because he didn’t go against Bird, who had won the first three contests. Hodges responded, “He knows where to find me.” That comment was relayed to Bird who replied, “Yeah, at the end of the Bulls’ bench.”
- Noted trash-talker Reggie Miller even got in the act once before realizing Larry wasn't some sub-6 foot director. Miller tried to get in his head when he was at the free-throw line and Bird snapped back, "I am the best ####### shooter in the league. In the league, understand? And you’re up here trying to ####### tell me something?” Bird then hit both free throws without the ball touching the rim.
- Toward the end of Bird's career the Pacers put rookie George McCloud on him. This amused Larry, so he turned to the bench and said, “I know you guys are desperate, but can’t you find someone who at least has a prayer?”
- Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest defenders of all-time, was not immune to Larry's infamous trash-talking. Rodman was guarding Bird when he scored four consecutive baskets on him. Bird then started yelling at Pistons head coach Chuck Daly. “Who’s guarding me, Chuck? Is anyone guarding me? You better get someone on me or I’m gonna go for 60!” Rodman then started going into NBA Finals, game 7 defensive mode to deny him the ball, but Bird was still yelling. “I’m open! Hurry up before they notice nobody is guarding me!” He then secured the ball and promptly scored again.
- For one final trash-talking example, let's go to the 1984-85 season and the Boston Celtics are visiting the Atlanta Hawks (in New Orleans). This was two days after he ran a 5-mile charity race and he may have even been hungover (denied by Larry). To cut to the chase, Larry Bird put up 60 points in one of the best shooting displays in NBA history. Amazingly, this isn't what most people even remember about that game. What most remember is Bird running down the court asking the Hawks, “in the trainer’s lap — who wants it?” Meaning he was going to hit a deep three right in somebody's face. Doc Rivers had this to say about it, "[Bird] shot this high rainbow, it goes in, Rickey [Brown] bumps into him and accidentally knocks him on our trainer’s lap. So it was exactly what he said, it was an accident but it was almost fate." Go to the 3:15 mark and watch Larry's trash-talking being backed up. Be sure to go back and watch the Hawks bench as Bird hit the shot. Even Hawks players Cliff Levingston and Eddie Johnson were losing their minds.
Let's keep this going then.
Magic vs Bird breakdown:
It’s the 1980s and pastel shirts, big hair, and breakdancing are all the rage. So get your Rubik’s cube and a quarter for the Ms. Pac-Man machine because NBA Action, It's Fantastic!
The NBA was in trouble in the late 70s with rampant cocaine use off-the-court while on-the-court some Finals games were being shown on television on tape delay. Then came the 1979 NCAA Championship game and the NBA saw it’s future: Magic vs. Bird. The rivalry began there and continued with the Lakers vs. Celtics throughout the 1980s with each player instantly joining the best NBA player of all-time discussions. To me the 1980s bracket comes down to those two players and the team builds around them. An excellent starting five could compete with them, but without a Magic or Bird in the 1980s you’re probably hoping to go ”Back To The Future" to re-select your squad because at this point there’s no ”Trading Places".
So, let’s keep it going with the Hick from French Lick, Larry Legend himself. This top 10 player of all-time joined the Hall of Fame as a 12x All-Star, 10x All-NBA, and 3x World Champion. He won the rookie of the year award over Magic, won 2 Finals MVPs, and took home back-to-back-to-back MVP trophies (84-86). He also earned 3 All-NBA defensive honors and dominated the 3point contest, winning back-to-back-to-back titles (86-88). Bird joined the elusive 50/40/90 club in back-to-back seasons (87-88), shot over 40% from deep six times, and led the NBA in FT% four times to put him among the undisputed best shooters in basketball history (Steph Curry is #1 IMO). Bird was much more than a good defender and marksman though, for his career he averaged 10 rebounds, 6.3 assists, and 1.7 steals and led the NBA in almost every advanced stat…including offensive win shares, defensive win shares four times, win shares twice, per/48 twice, offensive box +/- twice, player efficiency twice, overall box +/- four times and VORP for four consecutive seasons (83-86). Combine all of these advanced stat categories together and Magic Johnson led the NBA a grand total of three times while Bird did so a whopping 19 times. Magic may have outlasted Bird (and his Lakers won more titles) but at their peaks Larry Bird was the superior NBA player.
Unfortunately, Magic was forced to leave the NBA due to his HIV diagnosis. I still remember that day and it was truly shocking. Everyone assumed he would be dead within 2 years (most didn’t understand the difference between HIV and full-blown AIDS at the time, drugs to combat it were not great, etc) and I commend Magic for helping educate many. What I can’t give him much credit for is how he handled his post-basketball time. He followed by bombing as an NBC Commentator, went to coach the Lakers and resigned after 16 whole games (5-11) because he couldn’t reach the players, and he even eventually returned to the Lakers years later as a washed-up PF before retiring again after 32 games. So, basically, he was a complete disaster. At this point he seemed to be bored and would appear often on talk shows. Like, every week he’d be on one of them. His biggest failure was yet to come though….”The Magic Hour”. Oh man. He hosted his own Arsenio Hall inspired talk show that may be the worst show in the history of bad shows. So bad - I refuse to link anything here from it - watch at your own risk. Johnson has gone on to have great success as a businessman, but even his recent flameout as Lakers GM (never made the playoffs as an executive) illustrates that he just doesn’t fully understand basketball people and what it takes to build. He may have been transcendent on the court, and he has a magnetic personality that he uses with great success in various business ventures, but his basketball instincts off the court only hurts that on-court product. On the other side of that Magic vs Bird debate, Larry Legend worked for the Celtics for 6 years before taking the head coaching job with the Pacers - saying he’d be on the job for no more that three years. He led the Pacers to their best record at the time, coached the All-Star game (a win), and took home the Coach of the Year award. He followed that up with back-to-back divisional titles and a trip to the 2000 Finals. He then stuck to his word and left the job after three seasons. He moved upstairs and two years later he won the Executive of the Year award. I’d say that’s a 4-1 gentleman’s sweep for Larry Bird, the man Twitter's logo is named after.
In a subsequent post I’ll address the team builds around Johnson and Bird. Word to your mother.
Very good squad wikkidpissah, no doubt. I'll have it at #2, 15 points when I submit my rankings for the 1980s.
Hopefully your crunching takes into account this, this, and below. Enjoy!
Okay, okay…maybe Ewing and that squad will have enough defense to make this a series? Let's take a look.
.....The Answer......Yup, same here. Hopefully someone can step up after Michael retires.
Agreed with Instinctive here. Still really don’t know a lot the guys this era, but upon first glance it appears Wikkid did some work.
my statircal analysis:Very good squad wikkidpissah, no doubt. I'll have it at #2, 15 points when I submit my rankings for the 1980s.
Hopefully your crunching takes into account this, this, and below. Enjoy!
With all this Magic vs Larry talk, let’s take a look at the builds for these 1980s squads and see how they match-up head-to-head. Wikkidpissah put together a great team with PG Magic, SG Darrell Griffith, SF Bernard King, PF Wayman Tisdale, and C Patrick Ewing, but how do they stack up against PG Derek Harper, SG Michael Cooper, SF Larry Bird, PF Sam Perkins, and C Mark Eaton?
We know Magic had the longer career, so his team should have the most basic advantage in this squad vs. squad match-up...
Win Shares:
Magic 155.8
Griffith 22.0
King 75.4
Tisdale 45.7
Ewing 126.4
425.3
Harper 86.8
Cooper 52.5
Bird 145.8
Perkins 105.4
Eaton 44.8
435.3
Winner – Team Bird
Maybe it’s just a statistical oddity?
Win Shares/48 minutes:
Magic 0.225
Griffith 0.049
King 0.123
Tisdale 0.092
Ewing 0.150
0.639
Harper 0.110
Cooper 0.107
Bird 0.203
Perkins 0.138
Eaton 0.085
0.643
Ewing may be a good center, but that team just isn’t quite good enough. Horseshoes and hand grenades.
Winner – Team Bird
Fine, let’s just look at assists and get Magic a game 3 win at home.
Career Assists:
Magic 10,141
Griffith 1,627
King 2,863
Tisdale 1,077
Ewing 2,215
17,923
Harper 6,577
Cooper 3,666
Bird 5,695
Perkins 1,975
Eaton 840
18,753
This isn’t going like the 1979 Final (where you had the superior teammates), is it Magic?
Winner – Team Bird
Okay, let’s just surround Magic with some shooters and see what happens? We know Magic can deliver the pass to an outside shooter when the biggest games are on the line. Heck, he even did it to defeat Michael Jordan in MJ's very first NBA Finals game. LINK Note: That game-winner was made by Team Bird PF Sam Perkins.
Career 3point percentage:
Magic 30%
Griffith 33%
King 17%
Tisdale 0%
Ewing 15%
Average – 23.8% (removing 0% Tisdale)
Harper 35%
Cooper 34%
Bird 38%
Perkins 36%
Eaton 0%
Average – 35.8% (removing 0% Eaton)
Man, the BEST shooter on Team Magic would only be above Eaton on Team Bird. Earvin and that team are looking at some really crowded lanes, huh? Eaton may not even have to show why he's the all-time NBA leader in blocks/game. We'll even start the highlight package with a block on Kareem, then on Magic himself. LINK (<-- Go to the 1:13 mark to see Eaton drain a three, check that, foot on the line - long two...eat your heart out Sikma!)
Winner (again) – Team Bird
Okay, okay…maybe Ewing and that squad will have enough defense to make this a series? Let's take a look.
All-NBA Defensive Teams:
Magic 0
Griffith 0
King 0
Tisdale 0
Ewing 3
Total – 3
Harper 2
Cooper 8
Bird 3
Perkins 0
Eaton 5
Total – 18
Um, that’s not Bird vs. Magic, that's more like Celtics vs. CLIPPERS in the 80’s.
Winner (by a ridiculously large margin) – Team Bird
Well, at least Magic gets to play alongside Michael Cooper, so the player Larry Bird once said was "the toughest defender he ever faced" could make Bird earn it. Wait, what? He's on Larry Bird's side this time around? Instead he'll help wear down Magic for 40 minutes? Damn, this just keeps getting worse and worse. Somewhere, Jack Nicholson weeps. Or he'd be smart and hop on the Team Bird bandwagon. So should you.
Not sure how that hurts my argument that the 80s were a relatively high paced offensively minded decade.
You get the Isiah treatment. I won't like the post, I won't acknowledge that it was good. Just a f- you and walk off.Let's get into this as Larry Bird would to all challengers - with some trash talk (that adheres to "Sorry Joe" parameters).
This is a very good team Ilov80s...it's just too bad it's going up against teams with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. That team may even be strong enough to win some decades, just not this one. You may love the 80s but it doesn't love you back enough. Hey, there's nothing wrong with a bronze medal, so know your lane and go after what you can reasonably achieve. Now back to the bench with you.
You know those consistently irritating best player of all-time debates with Michael Jordan vs LeBron James? Yeah, me too. There’s none of that with NBA trash talking *Larry Bird was the best trash-talker in NBA history* bar none. He is Michael and LeBron combined in this category. So, talk if you must, but you already know how it will end.
Some trash-talking highlights...always backed up on the court:
This is what the best of the best of the best do. Larry Bird would tell you what he was going to do and then he did it. It didn't matter if the opponent was an All-Star or if the defender was a future Hall of Famer, Larry Bird was that good. Try and rattle him and you get what you deserve. This is Larry rattled. Bird just said he was going to lead Team Trader Jake to the 16 points in the 1980's voting. Plan accordingly.
- Throughout his career Larry would ask players on the road what the scoring record in that arena was. Once he was even asked why and he responded, "Well, you’re guarding me, aren’t you?”
- Indiana’s Chuck Person said he was going “Bird Hunting” once. Bird overheard and immediately fired a three-pointer right in his face. While the ball was in mid-air he turned to him and snarled, “Merry ####### Christmas” as the shot went through the net.
- Xavier McDaniel once made the mistake of talking trash with Larry Legend as well. Boston was down one-point with under 10 seconds left when Bird told X-Man, “I’m going to get the ball right here and I am going to shoot it right in your face,” He worked for the ball, got to the spot he’d pointed out, and hit the game-winning shot. On the way back down the floor he told McDaniel, "I didn’t mean to leave two seconds on the clock."
- Along those same lines, Bird once told the Mavs bench exactly how he was going to score on the next play. “So you got that?” Bird said. “I’m gonna stand right here. I’m not going to move. They’ll pass me the ball, and the next sound you hear will be the ball hitting the bottom of the net.” The next time down the floor, Bird was true to his word, and winked at the Dallas bench afterwards for good measure.
- In one of his more well-known trash-talking examples, Bird arrived at Chicago Stadium to defend his back-to-back three-point titles in 1988, looked around the locker room and asked, “So, who’s coming in second?”
- Craig Hodges won the 1990 Three-Point Contest and was asked if there would be an asterisk next to his victory because he didn’t go against Bird, who had won the first three contests. Hodges responded, “He knows where to find me.” That comment was relayed to Bird who replied, “Yeah, at the end of the Bulls’ bench.”
- Noted trash-talker Reggie Miller even got in the act once before realizing Larry wasn't some sub-6 foot director. Miller tried to get in his head when he was at the free-throw line and Bird snapped back, "I am the best ####### shooter in the league. In the league, understand? And you’re up here trying to ####### tell me something?” Bird then hit both free throws without the ball touching the rim.
- Toward the end of Bird's career the Pacers put rookie George McCloud on him. This amused Larry, so he turned to the bench and said, “I know you guys are desperate, but can’t you find someone who at least has a prayer?”
- Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest defenders of all-time, was not immune to Larry's infamous trash-talking. Rodman was guarding Bird when he scored four consecutive baskets on him. Bird then started yelling at Pistons head coach Chuck Daly. “Who’s guarding me, Chuck? Is anyone guarding me? You better get someone on me or I’m gonna go for 60!” Rodman then started going into NBA Finals, game 7 defensive mode to deny him the ball, but Bird was still yelling. “I’m open! Hurry up before they notice nobody is guarding me!” He then secured the ball and promptly scored again.
- For one final trash-talking example, let's go to the 1984-85 season and the Boston Celtics are visiting the Atlanta Hawks (in New Orleans). This was two days after he ran a 5-mile charity race and he may have even been hungover (denied by Larry). To cut to the chase, Larry Bird put up 60 points in one of the best shooting displays in NBA history. Amazingly, this isn't what most people even remember about that game. What most remember is Bird running down the court asking the Hawks, “in the trainer’s lap — who wants it?” Meaning he was going to hit a deep three right in somebody's face. Doc Rivers had this to say about it, "[Bird] shot this high rainbow, it goes in, Rickey [Brown] bumps into him and accidentally knocks him on our trainer’s lap. So it was exactly what he said, it was an accident but it was almost fate." Go to the 3:15 mark and watch Larry's trash-talking being backed up. Be sure to go back and watch the Hawks bench as Bird hit the shot. Even Hawks players Cliff Levingston and Eddie Johnson were losing their minds.
Not sure how anything you’ve written hurts my argument that the end of the decade saw a greater emphasis on defense.
I can't say I am an aficionado of early 80s NBA but Sikma's advanced stats indicate he was a very good defensive center. I didn't try to build a defensive team, quite the opposite, but Sikma is not a defensive liability.
The ppg numbers don't show this but whatever it's a silly debate. No matter how you look at it, the 80s were some of the most offensive oriented basketball the NBA has played. Only the 60s produced more ppg.
and he's standing next to Tom Chambers' senatorial silver. shooting into that would be like parking a car at sunset in Santa Fe
That's kinda how I feel about it. Ain't nobody got time for that. And no one will remember all that jazz.Lotta lipstick applied on these write ups.
The NBA might have broken if Bird drove with Chambers and Sikma doubling down on him in the paint. All that fair skin and blonde hair has to be a violation of some sort.
