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***** ALL-TIME NBA/ABA DRAFT ***** (Scoobus is Champion!) (3 Viewers)

Yo Mama said:
In my completely unbiased opinion, in an all-decade ranking for the 2010s, Marc Gasol would rank only behind Dwight Howard for centers. The newbies with 2.5 great seasons don’t match up to a complete decade of excellence (granted their peaks are higher). 
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I think Gasol is a bit of a hedge between the other centers. He does a lot of the things the rest of the crew do, but not as well as the best of the group in any category. Jokic is at a whole other level offensively. Gobert is at a whole other level defensively (even recognizing that Gasol won DPOY). And Embiid is all around just better - as long as he is actually on the court. Cousins is one of the all-time good stats/bad team guys, so it's hard for me to get a good read on him.

Here is the comparison of the 5 centers selected in the decade so far (minus Simmons, plus Howard from the 00s).

 
timschochet said:
Revised Pantheon team: 

PG Walt Frazier, Penny Hardaway 

SG James Harden, Penny Hardaway 

C Wilt Chamberlain

SF James Worthy, Vince Carter 

PF Dennis Rodman, Maurice Lucas 

I also have Yao Ming but since Wilt averaged 48 minutes I don’t need a backup center. 
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Different game back then.  I am not even sure they were allowed to run during that era.  Probably smoked a cig and downed a brew at halftime too.....and at Wilt's pace probably took care of two or three women as well. 

 
Doug B said:
10.5: SG Lafayette Lever, 1980s

Love his do-it-all game -- facilitate for others, fight taller guys for boards (and win), grab 2 steals and change each night. Oh, and throw in 19 points or so most times out.

Some of my favorite unis from the era, to boot.
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In my not a homer at all opinion, those 80s/90s Nuggets unis are the best of all time.

For being something of a mediocre franchise, the Nuggets have pulled some talent.

PG: Fat Lever, Chauncey Billups (a bit of a stretch to call him a Nugget, but whatever, fight me)

SG: David Thompson

SF: Carmelo Anthony, Alex English

PF: Dan Issel, Bobby Jones

Center: Dikembe Mutombo, Nikola Jokic

That certainly isn't a top tier franchise team like Boston/LA/Philly, but it's pretty good for a franchise that's never won anything.

 
Gally said:
Different game back then.  I am not even sure they were allowed to run during that era.  Probably smoked a cig and downed a brew at halftime too.....and at Wilt's pace probably took care of two or three women as well. 
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Pretty sure pace in the 60's was the highest it ever was

 
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Gally said:
Different game back then.  I am not even sure they were allowed to run during that era.  Probably smoked a cig and downed a brew at halftime too.....and at Wilt's pace probably took care of two or three women as well. 
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The pace was actually a lot higher back in the day. TOs weren't tracked prior to the mid-70s, so exact pace is iffy but they were taking well over 100 shots in the 60s, and I think it's safe to say TOs were much higher in the 50s/60s than any time after. So we might have been looking at ~120-125 possessions versus 90 in the 90s/00s and about 100 now.

I think it's probably the pseudo-zone defenses of current NBA require so much more running and effort in the team concept that limit minutes more than anything. And just generally, effort level is higher on a possession by possession basis, offensively and defensively, now than at any time prior in the NBA.

 
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Kev4029 said:
The pace was actually a lot higher back in the day. TOs weren't tracked prior to the mid-70s, so exact pace is iffy but they were taking well over 100 shots in the 60s, and I think it's safe to say TOs were much higher in the 50s/60s than any time after. So we might have been looking at ~120-125 possessions versus 90 in the 90s/00s and about 100 now.

I think it's probably the pseudo-zone defenses of current NBA require so much more running and effort in the team concept that limit minutes more than anything. And just generally, effort level is higher on a possession by possession basis, offensively and defensively, now than at any time prior in the NBA.
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I know the pace was there just making a joke.  However, I do believe even with the pace there was a lot more down time on defense and resting in other ways that you cannot do in today's game.  Even though the pace isn't the same the overall energy level expended on both offense and defense takes a much bigger tole.  There is no way Wilt could play the minutes today that he did back then.  

 
Gally said:
I know the pace was there just making a joke.  However, I do believe even with the pace there was a lot more down time on defense and resting in other ways that you cannot do in today's game.  Even though the pace isn't the same the overall energy level expended on both offense and defense takes a much bigger tole.  There is no way Wilt could play the minutes today that he did back then.  
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Agreed, I don't think pace necessarily reflects the actual physical effort required. Especially bigs where the energy spent fighting in the paint is probably more grueling than going up and down the court. 

 
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I doinked a few cells in the spreadsheet.  Just a few entries in the drafter column.  I swear I was just trying to read, not edit, but that's life in the smartphone lane. Can somebody mend my ways. 

 
Gally said:
I know the pace was there just making a joke.  However, I do believe even with the pace there was a lot more down time on defense and resting in other ways that you cannot do in today's game.  Even though the pace isn't the same the overall energy level expended on both offense and defense takes a much bigger tole.  There is no way Wilt could play the minutes today that he did back then.  
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Totally agree. Even in the 90s, you could go cover the #5 option offensively to get some rest because was kind of just hanging out away from the play to stay out of the way. 

 
This next pick won't help me win the decade, but you can bet he will be on my pantheon team.  The most feared player in playoff history with with an amazing assortment of killer 3 pointer, and a pretty decent defender too.

10.6 - Robert Horry, PF 00s

 
10.07 - Tony Parker - PG/2000's

I figured I might as well pair up the running mates that brought 4 titles to San Antonio and try and compete for a top score in the 2000's with Parker, Duncan & Howard leading the way.  

The son of a professional basketball player, Parker played for two years for Paris Basket Racing in the French basketball league, before joining the San Antonio Spurs of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He was selected by the Spurs with the 28th overall pick in the 2001 NBA draft, and quickly became their starting point guard. Parker won four NBA championships (2003, 2005, 2007, and 2014), all of which were with the Spurs. He also played for ASVEL Basket in France during the 2011 NBA lockout, and finished his career after one season with the Charlotte Hornets. He retired as the ninth leading postseason scorer in NBA history.

Parker was named to six NBA All-Star games, three All-NBA Second Teams, and an All-NBA Third Team. He was also the 2007 NBA Finals MVP. 

While playing with the French national team, Parker was named the MVP of EuroBasket 2013, following his team's victory over Lithuania in the final. He finished as the tournament's top scorer, with an average of 19 points per game. In 2015, he became the all-time leading scorer in the EuroBasket competition, a record that was broken by Pau Gasol two years later.

Career highlights and awards

  • 4× NBA champion (2003, 2005, 2007, 2014)
  • NBA Finals MVP (2007)
  • 6× NBA All-Star (2006, 2007, 2009, 2012–2014)
  • 3× All-NBA Second Team (2012–2014)
  • All-NBA Third Team (2009)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (2002)
  • No. 9 retired by San Antonio Spurs
  • FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2013)
  • 2× FIBA Europe Player of the Year (2013, 2014)
  • 2× Euroscar Award (2007, 2013)
  • 2× L'Équipe Champion of Champions (2003, 2013)
  • LBN All-Star (2001)
  • LBN Pro A Most Improved Player (2001)
  • Pro A Best Young Player (2001)
  • As President of ASVEL:
  • 2× LNB Pro A champion (2016, 2019)
  • French Cup winner (2019)
  • French Super Cup winner (2016)


@trader jake on the clock

 
10.08 Blake Griffin PF 2010s

There’s something for identifying talent early.  Blake Griffin won four high school championships, dominated in his two years at Oklahoma, and was the #1 overall pick in the NBA.  Due to injury he missed his first year and immediately started racking up honors by being selected as an All-Star, winning the Slam Dunk contest, and taking home rookie of the year.  The next season he would make All-NBA and will finish with five All-NBA honors.

As part of “Lob City” Blake Griffin helped turn around the moribund Los Angeles Clippers franchise.  He had some of the most spectacular in-game dunks in NBA history, which helped contribute to his game in general being undervalued.

 
man i might just starting drafting guys who only played in one decade. Checking out MJ's stats, it is hard to ignore either the 80s or 90s. He contributed pretty huge in both, hate that picking one will kind of discount the other decade. 

i don't know a resolution to this, but it is going to sting for some players who played half in one decade and half in another

 
trader jake said:
10.08 Blake Griffin PF 2010s

There’s something for identifying talent early.  Blake Griffin won four high school championships, dominated in his two years at Oklahoma, and was the #1 overall pick in the NBA.  Due to injury he missed his first year and immediately started racking up honors by being selected as an All-Star, winning the Slam Dunk contest, and taking home rookie of the year.  The next season he would make All-NBA and will finish with five All-NBA honors.

As part of “Lob City” Blake Griffin helped turn around the moribund Los Angeles Clippers franchise.  He had some of the most spectacular in-game dunks in NBA history, which helped contribute to his game in general being undervalued.
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i wanted him last round but realized Bosh kind of blocked me from taking him. 

Looking at some of his stats are kind of why i went Bosh though. i think his last ALL-NBA he was not particularly good. 

In all honesty though, it isn;t like your team needs it. I think you and @wikkidpissahand @Instinctive have a strong pull for the pantheon teams so far. Of course take my thoughts with a grain of salt since i am one of the people wh actually thinks Ben Simmons is a good player too  :sadbanana:

 
I'm at 10.09 right?

10.09 Micheal Ray Richardson, PG 80s

Write up later. Name spelled correctly. Led league in assists, steals a few times, 4x All Star in the 80s 

 
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trader jake said:
10.08 Blake Griffin PF 2010s

There’s something for identifying talent early.  Blake Griffin won four high school championships, dominated in his two years at Oklahoma, and was the #1 overall pick in the NBA.  Due to injury he missed his first year and immediately started racking up honors by being selected as an All-Star, winning the Slam Dunk contest, and taking home rookie of the year.  The next season he would make All-NBA and will finish with five All-NBA honors.

As part of “Lob City” Blake Griffin helped turn around the moribund Los Angeles Clippers franchise.  He had some of the most spectacular in-game dunks in NBA history, which helped contribute to his game in general being undervalued.
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BOOMER

 
modogg said:
man i might just starting drafting guys who only played in one decade. Checking out MJ's stats, it is hard to ignore either the 80s or 90s. He contributed pretty huge in both, hate that picking one will kind of discount the other decade. 

i don't know a resolution to this, but it is going to sting for some players who played half in one decade and half in another
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Why does it matter? You get their total history for both decades 

 
Instinctive said:
I'm at 10.09 right?

10.09 Micheal Ray Richardson, PG 80s

Write up later. Name spelled correctly. Lead league in assists, steals a few times, 4x All Star in the 80s 
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I wasn't sure how to rank him because his career was derailed and he got booted from the league.   Talented but so short and ultimately a disappointment.

 
Gally said:
I wasn't sure how to rank him because his career was derailed and he got booted from the league.   Talented but so short and ultimately a disappointment.
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Falls into the Penny category. How does one evaluate prime vs longevity?

 
Ilov80s said:
Why does it matter? You get their total history for both decades 
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Correct. The only tome anyone should get dinged for being in one decade over another is if they are clearly inferior in one of the two decades (like in the example for Jordan, if only his Wizards years were in one decade and all his bulls years were in another). 

 
Yo Mama said:
Correct. The only tome anyone should get dinged for being in one decade over another is if they are clearly inferior in one of the two decades (like in the example for Jordan, if only his Wizards years were in one decade and all his bulls years were in another). 
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That being said, Jordan WAS the 90s. It would be a shame if he was placed in the 80s instead. 

 
It really must be my lucky day. A bunch of big men taken this round but no one took my guy. I'm out here trying to win the 2000's and finally get to pick my first Clipper...

10.09 - Elton Brand, C, 2000

20 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, a short neck and a 7'6" wingspan to block all that weak trash your teams will be trying to throw his way.

 
Pretty balanced draft so far, certainly from a decades perspective. No surprise that leans to big men. Expecting some backcourt runs here, which all but guarantees I don't get my guy now. 

Code: 
POS     ##       %%
PG	26	17%
SG	24	16%
SF	31	20%
PF	29	19%
C	38	25%
		
60s	25	16%
70s	25	16%
80s	21	14%
90s	27	18%
00s	26	17%
10s	26	17%
 
Rd 10.12 Walter Davis SG 80s 

6x All Star, 2x All NBA

The Greyhound aka The Candyman aka The Man With the Velvet Touch

One of the smoothest shooters the league has ever seen, he was a super consistent scorer. The 80s were the most high scoring decade in NBA history after the 60s. I am trying to play to that style so my 80s squad is built to score

PG Isiah Thomas

SG Walter Davis

SF Dominique Wilkins

PF

C Jack Sikma 

 
Ilov80s said:
Rd 10.12 Walter Davis SG 80s 

6x All Star, 2x All NBA

The Greyhound aka The Candyman aka The Man With the Velvet Touch

One of the smoothest shooters the league has ever seen, he was a super consistent scorer. The 80s were the most high scoring decade in NBA history after the 60s. I am trying to play to that style so my 80s squad is built to score

PG Isiah Thomas

SG Walter Davis

SF Dominique Wilkins

PF

C Jack Sikma 
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This was my guy #4. 

 
Ilov80s said:
@Jayrod fire away
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Just got done cleaning up from dinner and then catching my spreadsheet up.

That run of 2010 big men these last 2 rounds shocked me.  Thought for sure I would have a choice of at least one of Marc Gasol, Draymond, Aldridge, Griffin or Gobert.

 
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OK, finally decided I'm just going to stay with my plan and pair a guy with Giannis.  I actually overlooked him because I had pegged him as a PF, but he really played C the vast majority of his career  

10.13 - Al Horford, C 10's

He is the epitome of blue collar in an era that doesn't reward those guys very much.  Big Al is a defender, rebounder, capable shooter and excellent teammate.  He is a 5x All-Star and was named to 1 All-D team and 1 All-NBA team.  The bulk of his career was with Atlanta before being a lynchpin for the Celtics over 3 seasons and then a wasted season in Philly followed by this season at OKC.  His career averages are 13.9 pts, 8.2 rbs, 3.2 asts & 1.2 blks.  He sets good screens, finishes off the roll, and can pop for 3's where he shoots 36.3% for his career.  He will be a great help to Giannis and really should have been higher on my list before.

 
Don’t forget to check the spreadsheet from time to time (especially the teams page) to make sure we’ve got everything in the right place. 

 
nice. was worried my 60s team was going to fall too far, and been looking a bit. Found a guy i briefly remember from watching old tapes, and thankful that i remembered when i saw his name and he was still there:

10.16   Zelmo beaty

He averaged better than 17 points and 11 rebounds during his days with the Hawks, 

75% from the FT line

2 all star games when all the studs of Wilt nd the rest were dominating the league
one of the NBA's first dominant big men.
 

 
modogg said:
nice. was worried my 60s team was going to fall too far, and been looking a bit. Found a guy i briefly remember from watching old tapes, and thankful that i remembered when i saw his name and he was still there:

10.16   Zelmo beaty

He averaged better than 17 points and 11 rebounds during his days with the Hawks, 

75% from the FT line

2 all star games when all the studs of Wilt nd the rest were dominating the league
one of the NBA's first dominant big men.
 
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only real players please, or I'm taking Billy Ho.

 
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