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***** ALL-TIME NBA/ABA DRAFT ***** (Scoobus is Champion!) (2 Viewers)
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EYLive
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Doug B
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I'll take a position Mister CIA already had to cut him a break.
I'm looking at my 1980s squad, and I can see that I'm going to need scoring from my center. There's no do-it-all centers left in that decade, but there's a nice scoring 5 available:
19.12: C Joe Barry Carroll, 1980s
Don't have time for a real write-up, but here's an interesting overview of his days in Golden State and how he almost became a Milwaukee Buck. During his peak years between 1982-87 -- even while something of a malcontent always trying to find his way out of Oakland -- he was a steady 22-8 guy who'd swat a shot or two most games.
@higgins
I'm looking at my 1980s squad, and I can see that I'm going to need scoring from my center. There's no do-it-all centers left in that decade, but there's a nice scoring 5 available:
19.12: C Joe Barry Carroll, 1980s
Don't have time for a real write-up, but here's an interesting overview of his days in Golden State and how he almost became a Milwaukee Buck. During his peak years between 1982-87 -- even while something of a malcontent always trying to find his way out of Oakland -- he was a steady 22-8 guy who'd swat a shot or two most games.
@higgins
Mister CIA
Footballguy
A Dallas beat writer used to dog this guy fiercely back in the day (Not sure if it was Randy Galloway, Blackie Sherrod, or other), always calling him Joe Barely Cares.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Facing a really interesting conundrum now. I really love the value I have in the 2010s picks, to the point that I'm considering moving Mr. Nowitzki to the 10s. Given his 9 years in the decade, seems like it would be fair to do.
Just letting people in my head a little bit. I think I fall from the likely 2nd best team (it seems public opinion is against me, though I would put the money on my team over Scoob's in a game) to somewhere between 3-7 in the 2000s. EY passes me, and Kev, Gally, Modogg, and Jake all have nice squads we could debate for a long time.
But do I gain more in the 10s? Current Instinctive Power Ranking with teams as is (and a little projection for reasonable fill-ins, though any drafter could make a bad pick I suppose), by tier, with a shot at an order within tiers but not one I'd go to the grave defending:
[*]Tier 2 (all pretty tight, difficult to pick some apart from each other):
[*]Tier 3 (great stars, but not going to be able to fill in enough around them)
[*]Tier 4 (everyone else)
Just letting people in my head a little bit. I think I fall from the likely 2nd best team (it seems public opinion is against me, though I would put the money on my team over Scoob's in a game) to somewhere between 3-7 in the 2000s. EY passes me, and Kev, Gally, Modogg, and Jake all have nice squads we could debate for a long time.
But do I gain more in the 10s? Current Instinctive Power Ranking with teams as is (and a little projection for reasonable fill-ins, though any drafter could make a bad pick I suppose), by tier, with a shot at an order within tiers but not one I'd go to the grave defending:
- Tier 1 (really nice all around squads)
Scoobus - Should be enough shooting, but it'll be close
- Yo Mama - has to avoid screwing up the last pick, same note on shooting
[*]Tier 2 (all pretty tight, difficult to pick some apart from each other):
Kev - really nice balance now, but last pick will be meaningful
- Me - 4 really good to incredible defenders, 3 can shoot. Last pick meaningful
- Frosty - LeBron, but I kind of hate the rest of the roster and LeBron + Rondo does not a good defense make. Gonna be a crowded lane on offense too
- Wikkid - really well rounded though I think in this format good teams destroy Thomas on both ends
- Jayrod - the brickiest team of the decade by far. Can Lillard carry them? Reminds me of grit and grind with a little more PG pizazz and some off the bounce verve at the 2 in exchange for slightly worse defense.
[*]Tier 3 (great stars, but not going to be able to fill in enough around them)
CIA - Luka KD offense holy crap
- Doug B - Steph + PG...man a defensive center would have made this squad amazing with tons left to fill in around
- Ilov80s - strongly depends on picking the right big man scraps, and gonna be tough on shooting but we see Booker off ball now, and Butler's command...I like it
[*]Tier 4 (everyone else)
6 teams here that have basically punted the decade (a viable strategy!)
Jayrod
Footballguy
Are you kidding me? Do you even watch basketball? Lillard carry them? He's the 3rd option on this team and is there to keep the floor spacing. This offense runs through D-Wade first. Not role-player-behind-LeBron Wade (although that is one of the best 2nd options in league history and was that team's best "go get a bucket guy"), but go-around-over-and-through-your-defense 2006 Finals MVP Wade. He gets screen and rolls from the most versatile and agile 7 footer to ever play the game in Giannis (who will decidedly NOT spend any time trying to go 1 on 4 from the top of the key like the Bucks do with him) Then if the defense collapses, Iggy and Horford set secondary screens for Lillard and Wade while the corners and driving lanes remain open and Giannis is free to cut and dive like the animal he is.
:shakesheadindisgust:
ETA: And did you just casually forget about defense turning into offense? I have 1 elite defender and three plus defenders and 4 guys who can flat out run the break for easy buckets.
ETA2: I mean Wade is somewhere around the 3-5th greatest SG of all time. Lillard is the third best PG in his own decade. Wade is THE offensive engine for 2010 team Jayrod.
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Kev4029
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I had 6 guys on my short list for my 10s SF, Tatum, Middleton, and Korver were all on my short list, with Middleton probably being #1.
Korver would have been the most fun but the least practical with Redick and Jokic already being somewhere between adequate in the right situation to poor defensively. But Korver and Redick would have made things really easy for the Conley/Jokic two man game.
Korver would have been the most fun but the least practical with Redick and Jokic already being somewhere between adequate in the right situation to poor defensively. But Korver and Redick would have made things really easy for the Conley/Jokic two man game.
scoobus
Footballguy
Looked at him when I took Green, opted for the better defense but man Korver might be the best shooter outside of Curry ever. All he takes are difficult 3s and to hit them at the level he hits is insane.
Kev4029
Footballguy
FWIW, I think you have Wade clearly in the wrong decade, both based on his peak and his skill set. And you kind of even admit it right here. You want 2006 Wade, not oft injured Wade who would pick his spots. Even in real life while the Heat were winning titles, they were playing their best when they shooting around Wade and Lebron - they were closing out games with Chalmers, Wade, Lebron (during his best shooting stretch of his career), Battier, and Bosh in the playoffs.
There is no way that the lane won't be clogged, I would be begging everybody to shoot long jumpers other than Lillard. Overall, while I think this is the most talented team of the 10s, it's not a very cohesive idea of a team. It would probably work in the real 30-team NBA, but not against the super teams of the decade.
An interesting question to consider, how much better is the small-ball Curry-Thompson-Iggy-Durant-Green lineup than any other team we'll have in this 2010s draft?
Kev4029
Footballguy
19.15 KC Jones, PG 60s
Jones played 9 years in the NBA and won 8 titles, was selected to the HOF in 1989, and was arguably the best defensive guard in the 1960s (in the final 7 years of his career, he never finished lower than 11th in DWS and 3 times finished in the top 3 - finishing behind only Russell and Wilt). In addition to his defense, he was one of the best distributors in the game, finishing 5th, 3rd, 3rd, and 8th in the four seasons he started at PG after Cousy retired.
My 60s squad is going to be tough to score against, with Jones, West, and Debusschere.
@Yo Mama
Jones played 9 years in the NBA and won 8 titles, was selected to the HOF in 1989, and was arguably the best defensive guard in the 1960s (in the final 7 years of his career, he never finished lower than 11th in DWS and 3 times finished in the top 3 - finishing behind only Russell and Wilt). In addition to his defense, he was one of the best distributors in the game, finishing 5th, 3rd, 3rd, and 8th in the four seasons he started at PG after Cousy retired.
My 60s squad is going to be tough to score against, with Jones, West, and Debusschere.
@Yo Mama
Jayrod
Footballguy
D-Wade highlight reel.
Game winners, clutch playoff plays, jumpers, dunks, blocks at the rim, steals, etc. He splits double teams regularly and dunks on the best of shot blockers. He put Garnett on skates in one clip and dunks on Duncan on another.
That wasn't how this was explained at the outset nor how I drafted. Wade won more rings and had more all-star teams in the 10's and made an equal number of all-NBA teams in the 2010's. He played more games and had more winshares in the 2010's. His career is split down the middle about as much as anyone else in this draft. I get all of Dwayne Wade in a decade in which he was a prominent player is how it was spelled out. I don't have to put him in the decade with his very best season. Do you not get to include Dirk's NBA Finals MVP heroics since he is in the 2000's? Does MJ's DPOY/MVP season not get credited because it was in the 80's? Does Wes Unseld's 1960's regular season MVP season get seperated from his 1970's championship and Finals MVP?
That answer to all that is no.
And 2010-12 Wade was equally as good as 2006 Wade, he just didn't have a motivated Shaq with him anymore.
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Yo Mama
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Need to dip back into the oldies. Yo Mama selects:
19.16 - **** Van Arsdale, 60s SG
An original 3 and D wing who could do it all - score, rebound, pass, and defend.
Career - 16.4 pts, 4.1 reb, 3.3 ast, 0.9 stl (not counted most of career)
Peak (6 years) - 20.0 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.2 stl
3x all star
1x all defense
19.16 - **** Van Arsdale, 60s SG
An original 3 and D wing who could do it all - score, rebound, pass, and defend.
Career - 16.4 pts, 4.1 reb, 3.3 ast, 0.9 stl (not counted most of career)
Peak (6 years) - 20.0 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.2 stl
3x all star
1x all defense
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Kev4029
Footballguy
Here are the rules:
Other than picking teammates, I don't see any way in which 10s Wade is even remotely close to the player than 00s Wade was. All of his all-defense selections were in that decade, all of his first team All-NBA teams (5 of 8 total - you are stretching to call the 09-10 year the 2010s), his finals MVP, and his statistics are all MUCH better.
I appreciate you giving Wade credit for his AS selection in his final year though.
ETA: In terms of WS, only his 10-11 season was in his top 5. Same goes for VORP. 11-12 was his only top 5 in PER for his career.
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
Speaking of 3 and D, the 00s wings got hit hard the past few rounds. Gotta grab one of my favorites. Yo Mama selects:
20.01 - Jason Richardson, 00s SG
Another do-everything guy who can run and gun and was part of one of the funnest teams ever.
Career - 17.1 pts, 5.0 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.2 stl and 2 3s
Peak (6 years) - 19.9 pts, 5.6 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 0.5 blk, 2 3s
2x dunk champ
Led league in 3s made 07-08
20.01 - Jason Richardson, 00s SG
Another do-everything guy who can run and gun and was part of one of the funnest teams ever.
Career - 17.1 pts, 5.0 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.2 stl and 2 3s
Peak (6 years) - 19.9 pts, 5.6 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 0.5 blk, 2 3s
2x dunk champ
Led league in 3s made 07-08
Jayrod
Footballguy
Oh, come on. That's splitting hairs. He's talking about not putting Magic or Kobe in the 90's where they barely played or were past their prime. Note the first line "For players that cross eras, you get credit for their full careers but the players need to be placed according to their “best” years or judges will be asked to discount that player in their rankings."
Best is in quotes can be classified a million ways and with a career like Wade, he is clearly a great player in both decades so I get credit for his whole career in either decade. His prime extended into the 2010's.
*And Wade still has 7 ASG's in the 2010's. 2009-2010 is a 2010 year. Don't even need the farewell season's to have more in 2010's.
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trader jake
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Wade's 00s contained his higher upside/10's had the longevity and all that goes with it. Frankly I don't feel the judges would substantially "knock" Wade due to his inclusion on either team. Many players fit that criteria while other players most certainly will not (we'll see what GMs do).
For example - the recently selected Jason Terry could have been listed as a PG or a SG without knocking him either way IMO. However, if a GM had elected to put him in 2010s vs 2000s a slight knock down would be appropriate. Just my 2 cents.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Yeah, I think Wade is fine in either decade and he should get credit for his whole career wherever he’s placed.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
changed the entire ethic of that team. under Coos it was always, "let Russ handle the D". KC and the last undrafted 60s Celt made the Green as much a defensive as offensive organization. and boy were they offensive...
Kev4029
Footballguy
20.2 Anthony Mason, SF, 90s
I need a little bit of attitude and defense on my squad, and he definitely brings that in spades. The dude could guard almost anybody from Jordan to Shaq. But everybody probably remembers the 90s Knicks, but he really blossomed after he left for the Hornets where he made and All-NBA team and All-defense team in that first year, and averaged 13.6 PPG, 9.5 RPG, and 4.7 APG!!!. He was basically a 90s version of Draymond Green - similar build, similar skill set, a bit unpredictable.
He had a 6 year peak (between his 6th Man Award with the Knicks to his AS game with the Heat) where he averaged OVER 10 WS/season. He is the glue guy that is going to make my 90s squad work.
@scoobus
I need a little bit of attitude and defense on my squad, and he definitely brings that in spades. The dude could guard almost anybody from Jordan to Shaq. But everybody probably remembers the 90s Knicks, but he really blossomed after he left for the Hornets where he made and All-NBA team and All-defense team in that first year, and averaged 13.6 PPG, 9.5 RPG, and 4.7 APG!!!. He was basically a 90s version of Draymond Green - similar build, similar skill set, a bit unpredictable.
He had a 6 year peak (between his 6th Man Award with the Knicks to his AS game with the Heat) where he averaged OVER 10 WS/season. He is the glue guy that is going to make my 90s squad work.
@scoobus
Instinctive
Footballguy
Had my eye on him also. Figured the whole lost career to injury might keep him dropping. Nice grab.
scoobus
Footballguy
20.03 Kevin Willis, C, 90s
One of the last solid big dudes from the decade that I can see, he made the All-Star team and an All-NBA team in his monstrous 92 season where he averaged a whopping 18/15. Really just a double-double machine in the early 90s. Fun fact: he played until he was 44!
One of the last solid big dudes from the decade that I can see, he made the All-Star team and an All-NBA team in his monstrous 92 season where he averaged a whopping 18/15. Really just a double-double machine in the early 90s. Fun fact: he played until he was 44!
higgins
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
My first full decade team - 1990s:
PG- Kevin Johnson
SG- Jeff Hornacek
SF- Anthony Mason
PF- Karl Malone
C- Rik Smits
Top 5 seasons for each player.
I like this team and it mostly fits well together. The Malone/Johnson PnR is going to be nice. Malone was very arguably the second best offensive player of the decade, behind Jordan. Kevin Johnson was probably the most dynamic point guard offensively of the first half of the decade. Hornacek can shoot the lights out and both he and Mason are fantastic secondary ball handlers and distributors. Smits had a really nice inside-out game and will take advantage of the weaker big defender.
A little bit of a weakness against teams with a couple of strong perimeter scorers or a post heavy center, but Mason was a stud, Malone made three first team all-defense teams in the decade, and Smits can swat away some of the guards that make it to the paint. Three point shooting is a little weak, even for the decade, but everybody can hit mid-range jumpers - Smits and Malone are elite mid-range shooters at their positions, KJ was excellent himself.
No female younger than 18 will be allowed anywhere near this team and KJ/Malone/Mason will be kept on a strict curfew.
PG- Kevin Johnson
SG- Jeff Hornacek
SF- Anthony Mason
PF- Karl Malone
C- Rik Smits
Top 5 seasons for each player.
I like this team and it mostly fits well together. The Malone/Johnson PnR is going to be nice. Malone was very arguably the second best offensive player of the decade, behind Jordan. Kevin Johnson was probably the most dynamic point guard offensively of the first half of the decade. Hornacek can shoot the lights out and both he and Mason are fantastic secondary ball handlers and distributors. Smits had a really nice inside-out game and will take advantage of the weaker big defender.
A little bit of a weakness against teams with a couple of strong perimeter scorers or a post heavy center, but Mason was a stud, Malone made three first team all-defense teams in the decade, and Smits can swat away some of the guards that make it to the paint. Three point shooting is a little weak, even for the decade, but everybody can hit mid-range jumpers - Smits and Malone are elite mid-range shooters at their positions, KJ was excellent himself.
No female younger than 18 will be allowed anywhere near this team and KJ/Malone/Mason will be kept on a strict curfew.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
20.5: PF Antonio McDyess, 1990s
Need a filthy inside guy to pair with the sometimes-too-nice David Robinson. McDyess could score as well as defend, but in the 90s I get his best defensive stats season (1.5 steals & 2.3 blocks per game in 98-99) in which he still scores 21 and grabs 10 boards a night.
A freak knee injury ended his days as an NBA starter at age 28, though he came back after a year off and played a bench role in the league until he was 36.
@Mister CIA
Need a filthy inside guy to pair with the sometimes-too-nice David Robinson. McDyess could score as well as defend, but in the 90s I get his best defensive stats season (1.5 steals & 2.3 blocks per game in 98-99) in which he still scores 21 and grabs 10 boards a night.
A freak knee injury ended his days as an NBA starter at age 28, though he came back after a year off and played a bench role in the league until he was 36.
@Mister CIA
Doug B
Footballguy
20.07 - Doug Collins - SG/1970's
Collins was drafted first overall in the 1973 NBA draft by the Philadelphia 76ers. He played eight seasons for Philadelphia, and was an NBA All-Star four times. In the 1976–77 season, he joined Julius Erving leading the Sixers to the NBA Finals, where they lost to the Portland Trail Blazers.
A rash of injuries to his feet and left knee beginning in 1979, would end Collins' career in 1981. In all, he played 415 NBA games, scoring 7,427 points (17.9 per game).
Career highlights and awards
This finishes out my 1970's squad:
I like it.
@trader jakeyour pick
Collins was drafted first overall in the 1973 NBA draft by the Philadelphia 76ers. He played eight seasons for Philadelphia, and was an NBA All-Star four times. In the 1976–77 season, he joined Julius Erving leading the Sixers to the NBA Finals, where they lost to the Portland Trail Blazers.
A rash of injuries to his feet and left knee beginning in 1979, would end Collins' career in 1981. In all, he played 415 NBA games, scoring 7,427 points (17.9 per game).
Career highlights and awards
- 4× NBA All-Star (1976–1979)
- Consensus first-team All-American (1973)
- No. 20 retired by Illinois State Redbirds
This finishes out my 1970's squad:
- PG - Dave Bing
- SG - Doug Collins
- SF - Bob Dandridge
- PF - Sidney Wicks
- C - Dan Issel
I like it.
@trader jakeyour pick
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trader jake
Footballguy
20.08 Mike Bibby - PG 00s
National Champion at Arizona in 1997, originally drafted by Vancouver #2 overall after a first team All-America season with Wildcats the following year. Made NBA's all-rookie team with a horribly run Grizzlies organization, but he eventually escaped and was traded to the better-run
Sacramento Kings.
Immediately the Kings were an NBA force, putting up the best record in the Association. Great, great Kings teams were piloted by Bibby, but they could never get over the hump (Lakers, officiating).
Bobby's clutch performer status was a thing, most memorably in the 2002 Western Conference Finals when he hit the game-winner in game 5. He eventually played in the Finals as the starting PG on the Heat 2011 squad (knocked off by Dirk & Co).
Note: Bibby is now in better shape than most professional athletes. He's bulked up so much his recent photos appear photoshopped.
National Champion at Arizona in 1997, originally drafted by Vancouver #2 overall after a first team All-America season with Wildcats the following year. Made NBA's all-rookie team with a horribly run Grizzlies organization, but he eventually escaped and was traded to the better-run
Sacramento Kings.Immediately the Kings were an NBA force, putting up the best record in the Association. Great, great Kings teams were piloted by Bibby, but they could never get over the hump (Lakers, officiating).
Bobby's clutch performer status was a thing, most memorably in the 2002 Western Conference Finals when he hit the game-winner in game 5. He eventually played in the Finals as the starting PG on the Heat 2011 squad (knocked off by Dirk & Co).
Note: Bibby is now in better shape than most professional athletes. He's bulked up so much his recent photos appear photoshopped.
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
Well nobody bit on my not-so-hidden attempt to get some 00s vs 10s reactions...
Instinctive
Footballguy
I am moving Dirk to the 2010s, where I think I have a better team than my 2000s squad, and can compete with Scoob for best in show now.
20.09 Tyson Chandler
Actually a pretty great Center for the 2000s. Amazing dive/roll player, DPOY, all-star, 3x all defense, one of the league leaders in true shooting%. I'll have a little bit of clogged lane syndrome, but you won't score. all 5 guys can guard at least 3 positions. Three guys can really shoot. Two guys will dominate the boards against most of these teams. And spacing was just different in the 2000s.
2000s team, which I now assess at somewhere between 2nd and 4th:
Chauncey Billups
Tracy McGrady
Shane Battier
Tyson Chandler
Ben Wallace
It also sets up what I think is a contender for best in show and the 2010s:
Jrue Holiday
Khris Middleton
Kawhi Leonard
Dirk Nowitzki
Joakim Noah
3 absolutely incredible defenders, multiple DPOYs, four guys who shoot ~40% from three, two guys with close to 50-40-90 careers, tons of WINGSPAN, great rebounding...
I'll call this the reverse @scoobus where I move a Pantheon guy from 2000 to 2010 instead of the 10s to the 00s to try and lock down a decade and make a better "best in show" team.
20.09 Tyson Chandler
Actually a pretty great Center for the 2000s. Amazing dive/roll player, DPOY, all-star, 3x all defense, one of the league leaders in true shooting%. I'll have a little bit of clogged lane syndrome, but you won't score. all 5 guys can guard at least 3 positions. Three guys can really shoot. Two guys will dominate the boards against most of these teams. And spacing was just different in the 2000s.
2000s team, which I now assess at somewhere between 2nd and 4th:
Chauncey Billups
Tracy McGrady
Shane Battier
Tyson Chandler
Ben Wallace
It also sets up what I think is a contender for best in show and the 2010s:
Jrue Holiday
Khris Middleton
Kawhi Leonard
Dirk Nowitzki
Joakim Noah
3 absolutely incredible defenders, multiple DPOYs, four guys who shoot ~40% from three, two guys with close to 50-40-90 careers, tons of WINGSPAN, great rebounding...
I'll call this the reverse @scoobus where I move a Pantheon guy from 2000 to 2010 instead of the 10s to the 00s to try and lock down a decade and make a better "best in show" team.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
A team with Joe Johnson, Kevin Love, and Lamarcus Aldridge to go along with Lebron is not going to have spacing issues. And Love is the only defensive liability on that team.
scoobus
Footballguy
EYLive
Footballguy
EYLive
Footballguy
20.10 - Victor Oladipo, SG, 2010
A legit 20 point scorer with 5 rebounds, 5 assists and outstanding defense.
2× NBA All-Star (2018, 2019)
All-NBA Third Team (2018)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (2018)
NBA Most Improved Player (2018)
NBA steals leader (2018)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2014)
Sporting News Player of the Year (2013)
Adolph Rupp Trophy (2013)
Consensus first-team All-American (2013)
Co-NABC Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
First-team All-Big Ten (2013)
2× Big Ten All-Defensive team (2012, 2013)
A legit 20 point scorer with 5 rebounds, 5 assists and outstanding defense.
2× NBA All-Star (2018, 2019)
All-NBA Third Team (2018)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (2018)
NBA Most Improved Player (2018)
NBA steals leader (2018)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2014)
Sporting News Player of the Year (2013)
Adolph Rupp Trophy (2013)
Consensus first-team All-American (2013)
Co-NABC Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
First-team All-Big Ten (2013)
2× Big Ten All-Defensive team (2012, 2013)
Instinctive
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
20.11 C PJ Brown, 00s
Taking this guy in an all-time draft leaves me with an odd, unsatisfied feeling, but my 00s team is loaded on offense with just 3 guys - Antawn Jamison, Antoine Walker, and Rip Hamilton - so a specialist rebounder and defensive guy makes sense. I'd rather have had Chandler, but I guess PJ will do.
Career: 9.1ppg/7.7rpg/1.0bpg
Peak: 10.0ppg/8.5rpg/1.3bpg
3x All-Defense
NBA Champ
29th all-time offensive rebounds
64th all-time rebounds
73rd all-time blocked shots
@Ilov80s @ILikeBlackPeople
Taking this guy in an all-time draft leaves me with an odd, unsatisfied feeling, but my 00s team is loaded on offense with just 3 guys - Antawn Jamison, Antoine Walker, and Rip Hamilton - so a specialist rebounder and defensive guy makes sense. I'd rather have had Chandler, but I guess PJ will do.
Career: 9.1ppg/7.7rpg/1.0bpg
Peak: 10.0ppg/8.5rpg/1.3bpg
3x All-Defense
NBA Champ
29th all-time offensive rebounds
64th all-time rebounds
73rd all-time blocked shots
@Ilov80s @ILikeBlackPeople
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
Since we haven't talked about D-Wade enough today (because clearly some people think he is not worthy of being considered great), I'm going to explain why he is #1 SG in the era.
Let's look at the other SG's (so far) in the 2010's:
Make no mistake, D-Wade is one of the top 4 greatest SGs of ALL-TIME. #3 #4 #3 #3 #3 He is a 2-way threat, did it as an alpha and a #2 and had both peak excellence and longevity.
The disrespect is embarrassing for anyone that thinks he isn't the best SG among the list above.
Let's look at the other SG's (so far) in the 2010's:
- Monta Ellis - zero rings, zero awards
- James Harden - MVP, 7x all-NBA, 9x All-star, no all-D teams (known as a turnstile)...better scorer, worse defender, no rings
- Bradley Beal - 3x all-star, having a nice scoring year, but 1/2 year on a losing team....no defensive accolades
- Devin Booker - 2x all-star, good scorer, poor defender
- Joe Johnson - 7x all star, 1x all-NBA, no rings, no defensive accolades
- Khris Middleton - 2x all-star, good scorer, decent defender...not great at anything.
- Donovan Mitchell - 2x all-star, great scorer, decent defender...most like Wade, but has played 3.5 seasons TOTAL so far
- DeMar Derozan - 4x all star, 2x all-NBA...known commodity and not as good as Wade at anything (maybe 3 pt shooting)
- Kyle Korver - 1x all-star. Has only started 1/3 of his career games. Great shooter, but a one-dimensional role player.
- Danny Green - 3x NBA champ (the first guy on this list with any rings). Good role player, but no ASG's or All-NBAs.
- JJ Redick - Great shooter. No rings, no individual awards, started 1/2 of his games.
- Klay Thompson - 5x all-star, 3 rings, 1 all-D, 2x All-NBA. Great player, but he's never been better than #3 on his own team.
Make no mistake, D-Wade is one of the top 4 greatest SGs of ALL-TIME. #3 #4 #3 #3 #3 He is a 2-way threat, did it as an alpha and a #2 and had both peak excellence and longevity.
The disrespect is embarrassing for anyone that thinks he isn't the best SG among the list above.
Kev4029
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This was who I was hoping would drop back to me. Would have been a fantastic roll man for Steve Nash and a backstop for my ####ty backcourt.
Your 00s team is going to have some trouble scoring. You'll probably be one of the only modern teams with a combined usage rate of below 100%, and it's WAY below- closer to 85% combined on their careers. So those shots are coming from somebody that isn't used to creating more offense, and it's not Billups is a wizard with the ball to get more out of the team than one would expect.
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