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[Instinctive]

I have EY as on the clock for over an hour now. Since his 70s team is full I'm going to assume it's not a big deal if I'm off by 2-5 minutes and make my pick before I have to run:

25.08 Donnie Freeman, PG/SG 70s (PG for now?)

5x All Star, 4x All ABA, played in the 70s. Table scraps for me, but pretty good ones!

@trader jake OTC

 

[Yo Mama]

@higgins owes 3

@Doug B owes 1

@EYLive owes 1

@trader jake is up

@Gally on deck

@Mister CIA in the hole

 

[trader jake]

25.09 Sam Lacey – C 1970s
He went #5 overall in 1970 and played 13 seasons, averaging over 10 rebounds per game in each of his first six seasons.

Lacey is one of only five NBA players (along with Hakeem Olajuwon, Julius Erving, David Robinson and Ben Wallace) to register 100 blocks and 100 steals in six consecutive seasons. It likely would have been nine consecutive seasons for Lacy, but the NBA didn't track steals or blocks his first three years.

I found Lacy’s all-around game amazing – he finished in the top 20 in assists 6 times from the center position and put up a triple-double in seven consecutive seasons.  That type of versatility is amazing considering he was also the NBA leader in Defensive Box +/- for four consecutive years.
 

 

[EYLive]

I'll be on in a half hour to make my last pick. Sorry for the hold up.

 

[Gally]

25.10 - Josh Smith - SF/2010's

I thought about pulling the trigger on Smith about three rounds ago but other guys kept being bigger needs in other decades.  I am very happy he is still on the board as I needed some defense to sure up my 2010's squad.  I decided to go with Smith who did make an all NBA defensive team and has a 42.3 Defensive WS for his career.  I needed someone to guard the wings so here you go.   He is another in the long line of team Gally players to win the Slam Dunk Competition.

Career highlights and awards

• NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2010)
  
• NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2005)
  
• NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2005)
  
• First-team Parade All-American (2004)
  
• McDonald's All-American (2004)
  

This rounds out Team Gally's 2010 squad.  I think it is one of the 16 favorites to win the decade:

• PG - Chris Paul
  
• SG - Donovan Mitchell
  
• SF - Josh Smith
  
• PF - Al Jefferson
  
• C - Andre Drummond
  

@Mister CIAand the rest of the delinquents

 

[Yo Mama]

25.10 - Josh Smith - SF/2010's

I thought about pulling the trigger on Smith about three rounds ago but other guys kept being bigger needs in other decades.  I am very happy he is still on the board as I needed some defense to sure up my 2010's squad.  I decided to go with Smith who did make an all NBA defensive team and has a 42.3 Defensive WS for his career.  I needed someone to guard the wings so here you go.   He is another in the long line of team Gally players to win the Slam Dunk Competition.

Career highlights and awards

• NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2010)
  
• NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2005)
  
• NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2005)
  
• First-team Parade All-American (2004)
  
• McDonald's All-American (2004)
  

This rounds out Team Gally's 2010 squad.  I think it is one of the 16 favorites to win the decade:

• PG - Chris Paul
  
• SG - Donovan Mitchell
  
• SF - Josh Smith
  
• PF - Al Jefferson
  
• C - Andre Drummond
  

@Mister CIAand the rest of the delinquents

He was on my short list for a while now

 

[trader jake]

Any insight into what Pettit’s personality was?

Ah...not so good...unless you were a white man.  Back then certain beliefs weren't exactly unusual - heck, even some of the basketball cards of the day (1948 Bowman) showed the bias of the day - Bill Russell's card was printed once while Pettit's was quadruple-printed.  I wonder why?   Pettit had some run ins with his team mates though.  It was widely believed that the Hawks good ol' Southerners Bob Pettit and Clyde Lovellette were especially racist, so much so that they froze out Cleo Hill so completely that the head coach got fired for standing up to them.  As a result of their actions, Hill was even (reportedly) blackballed from the league.  Not good.  Much of this was chronicled in the book "Black Magic.

Bob Pettit actually talked about that a lot. When he came out of college he was some thing like 210. Never lifted a weight in his life. After he won MVP, he said what can “what can I do to get better?” And he decided it was lifting weights. He got up to 230 pretty quickly and could feel how much stronger he was especially late in games. His coaches and team owners were furious though as the belief was it would screw up your touch. He knew it was BS that weight training was only a benefit. He acknowledged he came up today he would have started lifted at 12 and not his 20s and likely would have been playing at 250-260. It’s a clear example of how poor training methods were then but also that the players who did adopt them showed how huge the improvements could be and that these guys were indeed quality athletes.

The video you shared earlier on Pettit was appreciated.  His game was definitely more modern than some of his contemporaries.  That one-handed shot was odd to watch (especially at the free throw line) but was highly effective.  Tough SOB.

 

[Doug B]

@Doug B owes 1

I made a pick in the 25th   2010s SG Zach leVine.

 

[Yo Mama]

I made a pick in the 25th   2010s SG Zach leVine.

My bad, it’s not on the spreadsheet. I’ll add him. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Ah...not so good...unless you were a white man.  Back then certain beliefs weren't exactly unusual - heck, even some of the basketball cards of the day (1948 Bowman) showed the bias of the day - Bill Russell's card was printed once while Pettit's was quadruple-printed.  I wonder why?   Pettit had some run ins with his team mates though.  It was widely believed that the Hawks good ol' Southerners Bob Pettit and Clyde Lovellette were especially racist, so much so that they froze out Cleo Hill so completely that the head coach got fired for standing up to them.  As a result of their actions, Hill was even (reportedly) blackballed from the league.  Not good.  Much of this was chronicled in the book "Black Magic.

That kind of goes without saying. He knocked Wilts teeth through his mouth I believe during a game. St Louis as a city was one of the most openly racist cities in the county at the time and Black players weren’t welcome in general. I’m not sure if that was Bob’s doing so much as Black players didn’t want to be there and the team owner knew how to appeal to his racist fan base.

 

[EYLive]

25.07 - Eddie Johnson, SG, 1980s
In the All-Star years he averaged 19 points, 5 assists and 50% from the field.

2× NBA All-Star (1980, 1981)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1979, 1980)
CBA Newcomer of the Year (1987)
3× First-team All-SEC (1974–1976)

 

[modogg]

Ah...not so good...unless you were a white man.  Back then certain beliefs weren't exactly unusual - heck, even some of the basketball cards of the day (1948 Bowman) showed the bias of the day - Bill Russell's card was printed once while Pettit's was quadruple-printed.  I wonder why?   Pettit had some run ins with his team mates though.  It was widely believed that the Hawks good ol' Southerners Bob Pettit and Clyde Lovellette were especially racist, so much so that they froze out Cleo Hill so completely that the head coach got fired for standing up to them.  As a result of their actions, Hill was even (reportedly) blackballed from the league.  Not good.  Much of this was chronicled in the book "Black Magic.

The video you shared earlier on Pettit was appreciated.  His game was definitely more modern than some of his contemporaries.  That one-handed shot was odd to watch (especially at the free throw line) but was highly effective.  Tough SOB.

wow, good insight. i had no idea. 

 

[EYLive]

I'm learning more in this draft than the actual NBA thread (which I'm banning myself from entering).

 

[Yo Mama]

@Mister CIA timed out

@Doug B is up

higgins skip

@scoobus on deck

 

[Yo Mama]

25.07 - Josh Smith - SF/2010's

I thought about pulling the trigger on Smith about three rounds ago but other guys kept being bigger needs in other decades.  I am very happy he is still on the board as I needed some defense to sure up my 2010's squad.  I decided to go with Smith who did make an all NBA defensive team and has a 42.3 Defensive WS for his career.  I needed someone to guard the wings so here you go.   He is another in the long line of team Gally players to win the Slam Dunk Competition.

Career highlights and awards

• NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2010)
  
• NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2005)
  
• NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2005)
  
• First-team Parade All-American (2004)
  
• McDonald's All-American (2004)
  

This rounds out Team Gally's 2010 squad.  I think it is one of the 16 favorites to win the decade:

• PG - Chris Paul
  
• SG - Donovan Mitchell
  
• SF - Josh Smith
  
• PF - Al Jefferson
  
• C - Andre Drummond
  

@Mister CIAand the rest of the delinquents

You were right the first time that the pick was 25.10. 

 

[Gally]

You were right the first time that the pick was 25.10. 

Must be getting late in the draft.  Too many beverages...hahahaa

 

[Jayrod]

OK, I'm ready to select my 90s squad.  If I get all the guys I'm targeting, I may sneak in at 15th or 14th.

 

[Gally]

Here are my completed teams at this juncture:

1960's

• PG - Costello
  
• SG - Sam Jones
  
• SF - Caldwell
  
• PF - LaRusso
  
• C - Dolph Schayes
  

1970's

• PG - Bing
  
• SG - Doug Collins
  
• SF - Dandridge
  
• PF - Wicks
  
• C - Issel
  

2000's (Probably Best in Show submittal)

• PG - Parker
  
• SG - Jason Terry
  
• SF - Peja Stojakovic
  
• PF - Duncan
  
• C - Howard
  

2010's

• PG - Chris Paul
  
• SG - Donovan Mitchell
  
• SF - Josh Smith
  
• PF - Al Jefferson
  
• C - Andre Drummond
  

I am happy with all my squads.  I think the teams are complimentary and would be tough beats based on the team construction.  I think a couple have top 5 potential and all should be in the running for top 10 but as we have seen in the discussions already everyone is bias to their own.  Hahhahaa

 

[Gally]

OK, I'm ready to select my 90s squad.  If I get all the guys I'm targeting, I may sneak in at 15th or 14th.

I guess I better take the guy I want most for the 90's with my next pick then

 

[Jayrod]

I guess I better take the guy I want most for the 90's with my next pick then

Well, since all I have left are the 90's.....yeah.

 

[trader jake]

I'm learning more in this draft than the actual NBA thread (which I'm banning myself from entering).

Yeah, I avoid that thread sometimes.  Like last night (as a Bucks fan) when the Bromingos played at Philly.  Hi Modogg!  

One list I remember reading was the top talents that were also unmotivated, pissed their fans off, and were (allegedly) on drugs or played like it at times  On that list: Bob McAdoo, Spencer Haywood, David Thompson, John Lucas, Sidney Wicks, Pete Maravich, Robert Parish, George McGinnis, Truck Robinson, XXXXX, Marvin Barnes, John Drew, Bernard King, Michael Ray Richardson, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.  One story I enjoyed was when Parish got busted with pot...because he received it via FedEx delivery.

On my own draft board, I all but removed all of those names above.  Not sure if it will matter to the judges or not, but in general I tried to avoid those types of players - all but impossible with the 1970s teams.   I would have selected Kareem early because his personality and difficulties struck me as more a sign of the times than anything.  Yeah, he was mercurial, but think of all the non-sense he had to deal with his entire life...I'd be a bit pissy too sometimes.  That and his all-time status is indisputable.  I'd also have selected Bernard King.  As far as basketball peaks, his was wayyy up there.  That guy was just a devastating scorer/offensive presence, in the same conversation at least with George Gervin, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kevin Durant.

 

[Jayrod]

Here's my 70s squad.  It is close to ideal, but missed out on a couple of guys I would have preferred, still very solid.  (Round taken is in parenthesis)

PG - Jo Jo White (13th) - He has plenty of accolades, but most notably he won and played great in the playoffs.  He will be the team leader and assure we control the pace of the game.  He can shoot, pass and defend with anyone.

SG - Don Buse (19th) - I needed a defensive juggernaut on the perimeter and this guy is it.  He was an elite player in the ABA and transitioned that same level of play straight to the NBA after the merger, leading the respective leagues in steals and assists in back to back years while making 6 all-D teams.  He didn't shoot much, but was known for being clutch when it mattered...and this team doesn't need another scorer.

SF - John Drew (17th) - He only made 2 ASG's as far as accolades, but statistically, he was a great scorer and rebounder at the SF position.  His career averages are 20.7/6.9 with peaks of 24.2/10.7.  He could have been much better had his career not gotten derailed by cocaine.

PF - Spencer Haywood (8th) - Haywood's career started with a fight with the NBA about draft eligibility of underclassmen.  So instead of starting the NBA, he went to the ABA first and exploded on the scene winning the MVP his rookie year by averaging 30.5 pts & 19.5 rbs per game.  Then he finally attempted to join the NBA but was barred from playing for about half of the season.  Finally in his 3rd year he got the green light with the NBA and ripped off 4 straight all-NBA/All-star seasons while averaging 25.4/12.1 with 1.5 blocks over that span.  However, he too became a victim of the 80s drug culture and derailed his career before it was over.

C - Kareem Abdul-Jabar (1st) - Not much needs to be said.  Greatest center of all-time.  6x MVP (5 in the decade), 6x champion, 2x Finals MVP.  Would have likely won some DPOY awards as well if it was around during his prime.  He is the foundation for this team on both ends of the floor where he is the best player in the decade, and it isn't close.

 

[Yo Mama]

10 minute warning for Doug

@scoobus on deck

 

[Doug B]

25.12: SG Austin Carr, 1970s
 

@higgins still on skip

@scoobus

 

[Yo Mama]

Yeah, I avoid that thread sometimes.  Like last night (as a Bucks fan) when the Bromingos played at Philly.  Hi Modogg!  

One list I remember reading was the top talents that were also unmotivated, pissed their fans off, and were (allegedly) on drugs or played like it at times  On that list: Bob McAdoo, Spencer Haywood, David Thompson, John Lucas, Sidney Wicks, Pete Maravich, Robert Parish, George McGinnis, Truck Robinson, XXXXX, Marvin Barnes, John Drew, Bernard King, Michael Ray Richardson, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.  One story I enjoyed was when Parish got busted with pot...because he received it via FedEx delivery.

On my own draft board, I all but removed all of those names above.  Not sure if it will matter to the judges or not, but in general I tried to avoid those types of players - all but impossible with the 1970s teams.   I would have selected Kareem early because his personality and difficulties struck me as more a sign of the times than anything.  Yeah, he was mercurial, but think of all the non-sense he had to deal with his entire life...I'd be a bit pissy too sometimes.  That and his all-time status is indisputable.  I'd also have selected Bernard King.  As far as basketball peaks, his was wayyy up there.  That guy was just a devastating scorer/offensive presence, in the same conversation at least with George Gervin, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kevin Durant.

You took Parish off your draft list because he got busted FedExing himself pot?  That moved him way up my draft list. I’m actually pissed at myself that I forgot about that when I did my write up for him. 

 

[scoobus]

25.14 Johnny Green, PF, 60s

Wanted to have 5 HOFers for my 60s squad, but we'll round it out with this 4x all-star.

 

[scoobus]

@Kev4029

 

[trader jake]

You took Parish off your draft list because he got busted FedExing himself pot?  That moved him way up my draft list. I’m actually pissed at myself that I forgot about that when I did my write up for him. 

 Nah, that story stands out because of how hysterical it is.  The Chief (talk about nicknames that wouldn't go over now?) got lowered to the point where I probably wouldn't end up with him because of his lackadaisical approach, which was especially evident in Golden State and I wonder if that would have hurt him long-term there.  It worked for him in Boston on a team with a lot of alphas already, but I really question how he would have fared outside of a handful of organizations at the time.  He wouldn't have been a bust or anything, but I kind of believe he finished near the very top of his possible career outcomes.  Kudos to him for that...and to FedEx.

 

[higgins]

Makeup pick....

23.13 -- Larry Hughes, 00's PG.

I get it -- Larry isn't the proven PG I ideally would have taken but, given what's left, I'll take him to provide one of the most athletic (other than Zach) 00's teams in the decade.

 

[Yo Mama]

Of course Higgins is making it rain right before I pick. 

 

[higgins]

CORRECTION -- assuming it's not too late.

I'll update my 22.04 post as long as this "switch" is accepted.

Instead of 10's SG xxxxxxx, I'd like to take...

22.04 -- Buddy Hield, 10's SG.

OK?

 

[Kev4029]

25.15 Danilo Gallinari, SF 10s

Gallinari offers a lot offensively as both a secondary creator and ball handler, and a fantastic shooter. He’s never had quite the perfect Morey-ball shot chart, but for his career he has taken just shy of half of hit shots from three and just shy of a quarter of his shots at the rim, with an absurd .437 FTr (for every FG attempt, he gets nearly ½ a FT attempt) - for reference, the best perimeter foul drawer in the league, Harden, has a .523 rate for his career. 

He has had a peak 5 year stretch of 18.8 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.3 APG. He is a statistical darling and was the second tier of offensive SFs behind a small handful of the truly elite. 

For the decade at SF he has:

7th most WS (5th most OWS)

8th most VORP

5th highest TS%

6th highest BPM

 

[Jayrod]

Makeup pick....

23.13 -- Larry Hughes, 00's PG.

I get it -- Larry isn't the proven PG I ideally would have taken but, given what's left, I'll take him to provide one of the most athletic (other than Zach) 00's teams in the decade.

Met him once. I was refereeing a club team game and his son was playing. He was sitting right by the sidelines and started dogging me about a call I had passed on. I said something back before I even realized who he was.

 

[Kev4029]

@Yo Mama

 

[Yo Mama]

CORRECTION -- assuming it's not too late.

I'll update my 22.04 post as long as this "switch" is accepted.

Instead of 10's SG Eric Gordon, I'd like to take...

22.04 -- Buddy Hield, 10's SG.

OK?

That’s fine

 

[Yo Mama]

On a call so write ups later

25.16 - Arnie Risen, 60s C

26.01 - Campy Russell, 70s SF

 

[Yo Mama]

@Kev4029

 

[Doug B]

CORRECTION -- assuming it's not too late.

I'll update my 22.04 post as long as this "switch" is accepted.

Instead of 10's SG Eric Gordon, I'd like to take...

22.04 -- Buddy Hield, 10's SG.

OK?

Hide your prior post so that searched on that name are accurate.

 

[Yo Mama]

On a call so write ups later

25.16 - Arnie Risen, 60s C

26.01 - Campy Russell, 70s SF

I’ll move Easy Ed to 60s PF

 

[higgins]

Somewhat controversial pick but, considering his PG position AND the fact that 3/4 of his most productive assist years came in the 70's....

24.04 -- John Lucas, 70's PG.

If he gets dinged, he gets dinged....

 

[higgins]

Regarding above Lucas post....

I'll move my earlier 70's PG (Gus Williams) to 70's SG.

 

[wikkidpissah]

I’ll move Easy Ed to 60s PF

sry for the spotlighting (not much of one, if you look at the stats), but i was hoping Jungle Jim (Loscutoff) would be reunited with Easy Ed after their one dream season together. my Uncle Jimmy always lamented the demise of this pairing, loud and long, even if it was for the *ethnic slur* who gave us 11 championships

 

[trader jake]

Yes! I get my guy.

20/20 players don't grow on trees, but here I am taking such a freak.

5.11 - Jerry Lucas PF 60s

I read that Lucas has some sort of photographic memory.  Like, a crazy ability to absorb/retain information.  When I Googled [Jerry Lucas] for research, I even saw he's written a few books about it.

Somewhat controversial pick but, considering his PG position AND the fact that 3/4 of his most productive assist years came in the 70's....

24.04 -- John Lucas, 70's PG.

If he gets dinged, he gets dinged....

See above.  When I first read Lucas had this great memory, I thought, "Even after all the drugs?"  

 

[higgins]

25.13 -- Hassan Whiteside, 10's C.

I'll move Serge Ibaka to 10's PF.

Now up-to-date (for the time bing)....

 

[Kev4029]

26.2 Cedric Maxwell, SF, 80s

My first player from the 80s! Efficient scoring. Won two titles. Won a Finals MVP. Had three seasons which he finished in the top 10 in WS.

 

[Kev4029]

@scoobus

 

[scoobus]

26.03 Benoit Benjamin, C, 80s

3rd overall pick in the 85 draft, I assume his career lived up to the hype.  Played on 9 teams because everybody wanted him. Clippers all-time leader in blocked shots and blocked shots per game, essentially Dikembe before DIkembe.

 

[scoobus]

@higgins or @Doug B or @Doug's Slugs

 

[higgins]

And, just for the record, all of my 70's / 80's / 90's / 00's / 10's rosters are complete!

I will now START with my 60's squad!

STILL ON SKIP while I do 60's research....

 

[Kev4029]

26.03 Benoit Benjamin, C, 80s

3rd overall pick in the 85 draft, I assume his career lived up to the hype.  Played on 9 teams because everybody wanted him. Clippers all-time leader in blocked shots and blocked shots per game, essentially Dikembe before DIkembe.

He's only 1.5 years older than Dikembe's reported age. Could very well be younger.