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Ilov80s said:
I have arguably the best C of all time, the best PF of the era by a hundred miles and one of the top 2-3 SF...in an era when front court play was all that really mattered. 
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I agree with Russell. I think It depends on the judging for Petit and Chet. 

For instance, I've got top 3 guys at C and PF, a great SF, another HoF SG...and Oscar Robertson. For my squad, it'll all come down to how much the judges look at Stokes and see maybe the best forward until Bird who happened to basically die on the court in the playoffs, or if they see a guy who only played 3 seasons.

Kev's team is awesome, and Wikkid's is pretty good too. I think yours, mine, and theirs are a pretty clear top 4 and could argue the order a bit, but wouldn't really take issue with any placement.

 
Instinctive said:
I agree with Russell. I think It depends on the judging for Petit and Chet. 

For instance, I've got top 3 guys at C and PF, a great SF, another HoF SG...and Oscar Robertson. For my squad, it'll all come down to how much the judges look at Stokes and see maybe the best forward until Bird who happened to basically die on the court in the playoffs, or if they see a guy who only played 3 seasons.

Kev's team is awesome, and Wikkid's is pretty good too. I think yours, mine, and theirs are a pretty clear top 4 and could argue the order a bit, but wouldn't really take issue with any placement.
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Not to be rude but who is the PF you think competes with Pettit? There are only 8 players in NBA history with more MVPs than Pettit and one of them is Russ. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Not to be rude but who is the PF you think competes with Pettit? There are only 8 players in NBA history with more MVPs than Pettit and one of them is Russ. 
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Like I said, it will depend on the judging. He won MVP in '56 and '59. Obviously a guy like Mikan, or Johnston, could have had 2+ MVPs (I'd argue Mikan would have at least 3) but the award didn't exist yet.

We'll see how much people discount the 50s and 40s relative to the 60s. Also - there's a degree of separation. For instance, in the seasons they both played, Stokes outrebounded him in all three, as best I can tell was a dramatically better defender (defensive stats are tough to come by for the era) and Petit a far superior scorer. So was Petit better? Yeah. Was he steam roller level better? Hell no. 

 
Instinctive said:
Like I said, it will depend on the judging. He won MVP in '56 and '59. Obviously a guy like Mikan, or Johnston, could have had 2+ MVPs (I'd argue Mikan would have at least 3) but the award didn't exist yet.

We'll see how much people discount the 50s and 40s relative to the 60s. Also - there's a degree of separation. For instance, in the seasons they both played, Stokes outrebounded him in all three, as best I can tell was a dramatically better defender (defensive stats are tough to come by for the era) and Petit a far superior scorer. So was Petit better? Yeah. Was he steam roller level better? Hell no. 
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I get it if we were judging Pettit vs Duncan and Malone but it's all self contained into small time slots. My 60s team has 7 MVP awards. Not sure any team in any decade matches that. Back then MVP was voted by the players and over the 20 year period we are judging, for 7 of them, a player on my team was voted by the players as the best in the league. I have the best 50s-60s team. It really is not close no matter how many rebounds Stokes had. 

 
scoobus said:
I have the guy that invented the jump shot. Check and mate.
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Hank Liusetti invented the jump shot and isn't a spotlight because he won't be drafted (heart problems in '46 prevented him from playing in the NBA). He was a star at Stanford and the first player ever to score 50 in a game, which began to popularize shooting the ball without your two set feet.

 
scoobus said:
I have the guy that invented the jump shot. Check and mate.
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Reminds me of a really old sports draft where I think Larryboy took Cy Young as his pitcher, and every time someone would brag about how many Cy Young awards their pitcher won he would respond with something like “ BUT I HAVE CY YOUNG!!!”

 
Ilov80s said:
I get it if we were judging Pettit vs Duncan and Malone but it's all self contained into small time slots. My 60s team has 7 MVP awards. Not sure any team in any decade matches that. Back then MVP was voted by the players and over the 20 year period we are judging, for 7 of them, a player on my team was voted by the players as the best in the league. I have the best 50s-60s team. It really is not close no matter how many rebounds Stokes had. 
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Cool. I don't know what else to tell you. I like Kev's team more and will probably have it #1 for the era. I'll probably have yours second and mine third.  🔥 away.

 
Instinctive said:
Hank Liusetti invented the jump shot and isn't a spotlight because he won't be drafted (heart problems in '46 prevented him from playing in the NBA). He was a star at Stanford and the first player ever to score 50 in a game, which began to popularize shooting the ball without your two set feet.
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MY 60s PG WAS A MARINE WHO FAUGHT IN IWO JIMA THEN CAME BACK TO LEAD THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS THREE YEARS IN A ROW YOU LIGHTWEIGHTS!!!

Yeah I’m on my third rum and Coke of the evening. 

 
Instinctive said:
Cool. I don't know what else to tell you. I like Kev's team more and will probably have it #1 for the era. I'll probably have yours second and mine third.  🔥 away.
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That's fine, its all for fun. 4 HOFers and 2 players who defined the NBA and their positions speak loudly enough for me. I guess I just needed to find more MVPs somehow. 

 
Ilov80s said:
That's fine, its all for fun. 4 HOFers and 2 players who defined the NBA and their positions speak loudly enough for me. I guess I just needed to find more MVPs somehow. 
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I'm doing my best to judge based on how the teams would perform, using an actual imagined 5v5 game against each other for the ones I think are close. When all the teams are 4 (or 5) HOFers, yeah, you needed to find more for my style I guess. Fit and teamwork. 

I'm sure others will judge more strictly on like total accolades for each team, which is totally legitimate and kind of a part of the fun in this for me. Many judges will get us a better view, and I'm sure your team will be tops for some, or even many of them.

 
Instinctive said:
I'm doing my best to judge based on how the teams would perform, using an actual imagined 5v5 game against each other for the ones I think are close. When all the teams are 4 (or 5) HOFers, yeah, you needed to find more for my style I guess. Fit and teamwork. 

I'm sure others will judge more strictly on like total accolades for each team, which is totally legitimate and kind of a part of the fun in this for me. Many judges will get us a better view, and I'm sure your team will be tops for some, or even many of them.
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I am also judging team based. The 60s game was totally front court based. I built the best front court. Not sure what else one can do. Guard play was minor to the major of for forwards and centers. 

 
Instinctive said:
I'm doing my best to judge based on how the teams would perform, using an actual imagined 5v5 game against each other for the ones I think are close. When all the teams are 4 (or 5) HOFers, yeah, you needed to find more for my style I guess. Fit and teamwork. 

I'm sure others will judge more strictly on like total accolades for each team, which is totally legitimate and kind of a part of the fun in this for me. Many judges will get us a better view, and I'm sure your team will be tops for some, or even many of them.
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I think we’re going to start and finish the judging with the hardest decades. 60s because of the length of time and different eras (and because most of us weren’t around for it). 10s because it seems like people are going to judge based on how all the players are today (not necessarily based on their peak) since it is so current/recent. Plus so much has changed in style of play this decade+. 

 
Instinctive said:
I'm doing my best to judge based on how the teams would perform, using an actual imagined 5v5 game against each other for the ones I think are close. When all the teams are 4 (or 5) HOFers, yeah, you needed to find more for my style I guess. Fit and teamwork. 

I'm sure others will judge more strictly on like total accolades for each team, which is totally legitimate and kind of a part of the fun in this for me. Many judges will get us a better view, and I'm sure your team will be tops for some, or even many of them.
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The bolded is how I approached the draft.  Accolades are great but my interpretation was that we were supposed to be assembling a team for each decade.  Based on that team construction was a bigger component than just sheer accolades.

 
29.07 - Rudy Gay, SF, 2010s

A stone cold lead pipe lock for 19 points, 6 rebounds every night. 

06-07 All-Rookie Team

 
29.08 Billy Paultz, C 70s

Averaged 15-10, voted one of the 30 best aba players of all time. Led the league in blocks a couple times too.

 
Wilt is clearly better than Russell, but Russell and Petit together win the 60s. He could fill the rest of the team with FFAs and he probably still wins. 
I do think my own 60s team is pretty good, but that one is the champion. 

 
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29.09 Jalen Rose – SF/SG/PG 2000s

Jalen was a versatile, left-handed playmaker with a smooth offensive game that could score and distribute from outside or down low.  He was part of Michigan’s legendary “Fab Five” recruiting class (with Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Jimmy King, and Ray Jackson) that reached the 1992 and 1993 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship games as both freshmen and sophomores.  That group revolutionized the sport by wearing baggy uniform shorts, black socks, and black shoes while advocating for player rights.

Rose was selected #13 overall by Denver and eventually played for six franchises. Rose made an All-Rookie team, but early in his career he frequently found himself not playing under head coach Larry Brown.  It wasn’t until Larry Bird took over coaching duties in Indiana did Rose finally begin to blossom, eventually realizing he was most effective at small forward.  Started alongside Reggie Miller on those Indiana Pacers teams, they made three consecutive Eastern Conference finals, including the 2000 NBA Finals (Rose averaged 25 points in the 6-game Finals loss to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers).  Rose was awarded the Most Improved Player Award in 1999-2000 and that season began a 6 year run of fantastic play.  In 2000-01 he averaged 20.5/5reb/6ast.

Other info:

  • Rose appeared in the 1994 Academy Award nominated documentary Hoop Dreams (he can be seen at a high school All-American camp)
  • ESPNs ‘30 for 30’ 2001 documentary “The Fab Five” earned the highest rating of any of their documentary films, showing the continued cultural relevance and long-lasting impact the group of players had on the basketball world 
  • As a result of Rose's prominence in the NCAA and NBA, Jalen became one of the most popular names for African-American boys born in the 1990s and early 2000s. A number of notable American athletes who began play in the 2010s are named Jalen, after Rose
  • Biological father Jimmy Walker was the #1 overall draft pick in 1968 (he started alongside Jerry West in the 1972 NBA All-Star Game)
  • Founder of the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy and current sports analyst for ESPN
 
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Ilov80s said:
Chet the Jet

NBA HOF, 7x All Star, 1x NBA Champ 

I feel like maybe he isn't getting the  proper respect 
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tru dat. right behind Baylor in developing that sweet, weak-side pocket approach to SF that Erving, King, English, Dantley, etc followed to great success until the Trey Era opened it back up. miss the 15ft game...

EYLive said:
31.01 - James Naismith, OG, 90's... 1890's
Check and mate. Now shaddap yous.
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peachy

trader jake said:
29.09 Jalen Rose – SF/SG/PG 2000s
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HATE guys who think they're better than they were. LOVE guys who get everybody to believe they're better than they were.

 
29.10 - James Edwards - C/1980's

Before the bad boy PIstons he was actually a very good (for where we are now in the draft) center averaging around 15 ish ppg and 8ish RPG.

Career highlights and awards

  • 3× NBA champion (1989, 1990, 1996)
  • 2× First-team All-Pac-8 (1976, 1977)
  • AP Honorable mention All-American (1976)
This closes out my 80's roster with:

  • PG - Ray Williams
  • SG - Jeff Malone
  • SF - Paul Pressey
  • PF - Larry Nance
  • C - James Edwards
Probably not top end but should be in the mix for 10th ish

 
Gally said:
29.10 - James Edwards - C/1980's

Before the bad boy PIstons he was actually a very good (for where we are now in the draft) center averaging around 15 ish ppg and 8ish RPG.

Career highlights and awards

  • 3× NBA champion (1989, 1990, 1996)
  • 2× First-team All-Pac-8 (1976, 1977)
  • AP Honorable mention All-American (1976)
This closes out my 80's roster with:

  • PG - Ray Williams
  • SG - Jeff Malone
  • SF - Paul Pressey
  • PF - Larry Nance
  • C - James Edwards
Probably not top end but should be in the mix for 10th ish
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I believe you mean Buddha Edwards

 
Ilov80s said:
I’m just arguing in good fun. I hope @Instinctive didn’t take offense to any of it.
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Totally the same - didn't feel mean spirited at all. Classic sports debate, which was exactly what I thought we all signed up for. If we can't passionately argue about guys who had basketball careers, retired, and died before I was born without taking offense, then what has the world come to?

 
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Instinctive said:
Totally the same - didn't feel mean spirited at all. Classic sports debate, which was exactly what I thought we all signed up for. If we can't passionately argue about guys who had basketball careers, retired, and died before I was born without taking offense, then what has the world come to?
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  Cool I felt the same way. Took no offense whatsoever and am fine if people hate my teams and trash them. It’s been a fun distraction and I’m looking forward to people losing their minds during the judging. 

 
28.11 SG Warren Jabali, 70s

Career: 17.1ppg/5.3apg/4.7rpg

Peak: 17.9ppg/6.6apg/6.3rpg

4x All-Star

1x All-ABA

ROY

1x Champ

1x All-Star MVP

Made the All-time All-ABA Team

24th in career points 

17th in career free throws

36th in career rebounds

9th in career assists

11th in career steals

ABA LEGEND

 
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29.6 PF Red Robbins, 70s

Career: 13.1ppg/10.5rpg

Peak: 16.0ppg/14.1rpg

Rebounding machine.

4x All-Star

2x All-ABA

1x Champ

4th all-time in rebounds

 
29.15 Rick Mahorn, C, 80s

The last undrafted consistent starter of the Bad Boy Pistons - Mahorn was the baddest of the Bad Boys. Probably more of a PF, but he often guarded the best big on the opposing team. 

If nothing else, it give my ####ty 80s team a bit of attitude and even though you'll beat us, it won't be easy.

@Yo Mama Go ahead and skip me on the other side of the turn, there isn't anybody that needs an 80s guard after me and I have no idea what I'm doing there. In fact, my last ####ty guard will be the last player picked in the 80s. For the crowd - feel free to shoot out some ideas for a player I could reasonably use as an 80s PG.

 
Kev4029 said:
29.15 Rick Mahorn, C, 80s

The last undrafted consistent starter of the Bad Boy Pistons - Mahorn was the baddest of the Bad Boys. Probably more of a PF, but he often guarded the best big on the opposing team. 

If nothing else, it give my ####ty 80s team a bit of attitude and even though you'll beat us, it won't be easy.

@Yo Mama Go ahead and skip me on the other side of the turn, there isn't anybody that needs an 80s guard after me and I have no idea what I'm doing there. In fact, my last ####ty guard will be the last player picked in the 80s. For the crowd - feel free to shoot out some ideas for a player I could reasonably use as an 80s PG.
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Yeah, 80s PGs are butt right now. One of my last two picks will reflect that. 

 
Finishing up my 00s squad and there’s still a few really good choices left. Going for fit and fun. Yo Mama selects:

29.16 - Stephen Jackson, 00s SF

Going for some toughness and all around play to provide perimeter D, threes and playmaking. Tim Duncan called Jackson the “ultimate teammate”, and Larry Bird called him the toughest player in the league. 
 

Career - 15.1 pts, 3.9 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.5 threes

Peak (8 years) - 18.5 pts, 4.4 reb, 3.7 ast, 1.4 stl, 1.8 threes

1x champ

My 00s team will be runnin’ and gunnin’ all game, with athleticism and switchability at all five positions:

PG - Baron Davis

SG - Jason Richardson

SF - Stephen Jackson

PF - David West

C - Pau Gasol

:thumbup:

 
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