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charvik said:
I guess I owe one:

Agostino Di Bartlomei (1972-84) – One of the biggest crimes in the history of Calcio was that Di Bartolomei never played for Italy. A skilful playmaker, who dictated the tempo of the game, ‘Ago’ was tall, elegant, and had fantastic vision and technical ability. He would regularly hit pinpoint 60-yard passes to a team-mate’s feet and would spot through-balls that most other players did not know existed. His style of play was in some ways similar to Andrea Pirlo today. Di Bartolomei played 308 games for Roma, scoring 66 goals, and captaining them to the Scudetto in 1983.
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The man, the myth, the legend.  Totti's boyhood idol, much like Charvik is to me.

 
Things I have done since my last pick:

Picked up my kids from school, made a bank deposit, helped my daughter with her homework, made dinner for wife and kids, drove and dropped off my daughter to art class, took my ten year old to buy new indoor shoes, went to Target for a cart load of supplies, got a call from wife while at target that we had no hot water, rushed home and put away grocerys, went to mobile to empty old gas containers, went to another gas station for kerosine, took a half hour to funnel kerosene into my oil tank in the dark, cleaned up the mess, restarted system, had to bleed system, had to put the bled kerosene into the tank again (environment), success! and a hot shower.  

Am I up yet?  

 
15.06  Jurgen Klinsmann  FWD  Germany

He's a controversial figure on this board but he absolutely deserves to be selected as a player.  Klinsi was a proven goalscorer in three of the biggest leagues in Europe but always seemed to find a higher gear in major tournaments.  His attacking skills are versatile enough to pair effectively with either Shevchenko or John Charles although JK has been reported been lobbying the gaffer to start him at LWB on a hunch.

Also a natural for the simulation

 
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Kafka said:
The man, the myth, the legend.  Totti's boyhood idol, much like Charvik is to me.
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Di Bartolomei was born in a suburb of Rome. He started as a football player in theGarbatella and was recruited in the A.S. Roma junior team at fourteen. He was soon asked to play in the main team, making his debut in the Italian Serie A during the 1972–73 season.

In 1975 he went on loan to Lanerossi Vicenza in Serie B to 'build up his bones' (Bruno Conti another future Roma star, was dispatched to Genoa for the same reason), returning to Rome in 1976 as one of the leading and indispensable players of the team.

After Nils Liedholm's return as coach of A.S. Roma, Di Bartolomei became the team's undisputed leader, raising to the title of captain and becoming a fan favourite. When he played, it was common to hear the Roma fans sing Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Agostino, Ago, Ago, Ago, Agostino gol!!!

Despite his goalscoring prowess, Roma had two superb playmakers, in Di Bartolomei and the Brazilian Falcão. Thus, Liedholm decided to move Di Bartolomei in front of the defence for protection, knocking precise passes up the field, while Falcão would assume a more attacking role. During his time at Roma, he won the Coppa Italia three times, and a memorable scudetto in 1983. The following season, marked by the penalty shootout defeat in the final (held in Rome) of the European Cup against Liverpool F.C., was to be his last season with A.S. Roma.
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After winning the youth championship, he made his senior debut at the age of just 18 against Giacinto Facchetti’s Inter on 22 March, 1973.
 By the next season he had become a first-choice in the Roma midfield and with the exception of a season-long loan spell at Vicenza to ‘build up his bones’ in Serie B, Ago soon developed into an indispensable player for the Giallorossi. Di Bartolomei played the role of the regista, the central midfield ‘director’, a position made famous by Gianni Rivera and which required a skilful playmaker who would distribute passes to the wings and the forwards and dictate the tempo of the game. By the 1980s this position was beginning to disappear as coaches tended to favour midfielders who could press and tackle back. Perhaps this explains why Di Bartolomei was never called up for the Italian national team as coach Enzo Bearzot seemed to prefer the steel and substance of Marco Tardelli and Gabriele Oriali over the flair and fantasy of Di Bartolomei. A crime of gargantuan proportions, it certainly helps qualify Di Bartolomei as the greatest Italian never to play for his country. Tall, elegant and skilful, with fantastic vision and technical ability, Di Bartolomei fulfilled all the requirements of the regista. He would regularly hit pinpoint 60-yard cross-field passes to a team-mates feet and could spot a through-ball that most other players did not believe existed. In a similar way to Andrea Pirlo today, Di Bartolomei never appeared to do much running or tackling back and for this reason he was often tormented by the criticism that he was lazy and slow. However, like Pirlo, his brilliance was unquestionable. Roma’s Swedish boss Nils Liedholm said of him that “he never moved on the pitch without a reason. His passes were long, and perfect. He always ran with great elegance, with his head up.” A creator of goals, Ago also boasted a superb scoring record for a midfielder, with a ratio of one goal in just over every four games. In the 1977-78 season he scored 10 (in a 16-team league), a tally most forwards would be proud of, whilst the season preceding that he chipped in with eight strikes. Even when in 1982 Di Bartolomei was moved into a more defensive position in front of the defence he continued to regularly find the back of the net, scoring seven league goals in the 1983 Scudetto-winning campaign.
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I love the story, and had he been born a little later, his style would've guaranteed him a spot in the Azzurri for sure...

 
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Alright, I need a sub for my defense, to give me good cover when up against some of the more attack minded sides. I need someone that can organize the defense, and be cool, calm and collected:

Alan Hansen

Alan Hansen was known as the greatest defender ever to come from the Scotland and is one of the greatest defenders in history of the English football league and European Cup. A stellar defensive organizer and technician, He was one of the most important player of “The Red Machine” Liverpool which is the most successful team in Europe for years between lately 1970s to early 1980s. Hansen played all 4 European Cup final matches and won 3 times. He played as sweeper, possessed an uncanny coolness and was reliable in every situation.

Major Club : Liverpool
Club Honours : 8 Times England Top Division
1 Time Scottish First Division
2 Times FA Cup, 3 Times League Cup
3 Times European Cup (1978, 1981, 1984)
1985 European Cup Runner-Up

 
Eephus said:
15.06  Jurgen Klinsmann  FWD  Germany

He's a controversial figure on this board but he absolutely deserves to be selected as a player.  Klinsi was a proven goalscorer in three of the biggest leagues in Europe but always seemed to find a higher gear in major tournaments.  His attacking skills are versatile enough to pair effectively with either Shevchenko or John Charles although JK has been reported been lobbying the gaffer to start him at LWB on a hunch.

Also a natural for the simulation
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Dammit again.  I finally had a short list to move things along and now I see why you guys are complaining about them.

 
Eephus said:
15.06  Jurgen Klinsmann  PLAYER-MANAGER, Germany

He's a controversial figure on this board but he absolutely deserves to be selected as a player.  Klinsi was a proven goalscorer in three of the biggest leagues in Europe but always seemed to find a higher gear in major tournaments.  His attacking skills are versatile enough to pair effectively with either Shevchenko or John Charles although JK has been reported been lobbying the gaffer to start him at LWB on a hunch.

Also a natural for the simulation
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Fixed his position for you

 
In retrospect, going with the actual seven man bench was kind of a stupid idea.  There is really no way that I can make dynamic substitutions work with the polling, so what I'll probably do is have each team designate an "offensive change" when chasing the game or needing a goal and a "defensive change" in advance.  Then we'd have a poll on whether the voters think those changes would be effective.  If 60% do, you get one re-roll in the appropriate circumstances if you make the change. 

A "change" can be more than one player though.  It can be up to the three person substitution limit and even a formation change.

So, let's say I'm playing Eephus.

My "offensive change" is replacing Tigana with Blokhin, replacing Mascherano with Effenberg and moving into a 4-3-3 shape with Effenberg holding behind Zico and Luis Figo and Blokhin and Seeler on the wings.

Eephus' defensive change is removing Shevchenko for Ardiles.

We'd specify that up front.  The voters would vote for whether those changes would be successful.  Say we both break 60%.  I would be allowed to re-roll any neutral result on my own roll.  Eephus would be allowed to re-roll any goal or PK conceded result on either his roll or my roll.

In the same way, the "injury" values in the table don't really work if we assume most people will vote early.  If we keep injuries, we'd want to roll for duration (so they might affect future games).  Otherwise, I can turn those values into other narrative events.

 
Sweet now that ive taken 2-3 offensive subs already. 

RHE, my son plays a hockey game made by Import Dragon. It is essentially a dice game that is similar to what you have laid out. Each player has strengths and weaknesses. If you want a copy of the rules, let me know. It may be easier than whatever else you are dreaming up

 
AcerFC said:
Sweet now that ive taken 2-3 offensive subs already. 

RHE, my son plays a hockey game made by Import Dragon. It is essentially a dice game that is similar to what you have laid out. Each player has strengths and weaknesses. If you want a copy of the rules, let me know. It may be easier than whatever else you are dreaming up
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I'll look at it, for ideas, but we don't really have the capacity to rate each of these players.  Even if we found a knowledgeable, sober neutral party (sorry, Kafka :P ) we'd still be talking about one guy's opinion.

I could be wrong.  Maybe voting will be more evenly dispersed than I suspect.  I really have no way to know.  As I said, your "offensive change" could easily be three subs.

 
Here at Manos de Dios FC, we don't make "defensive substitutions".  Our goal is to win every game 10-8, usually with several handball goals and red cards.

 
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Hans Peter Briegal RB Germany   The Steamroller From Palatinate was his nickname.

I needed a starting right back, and this will be the guy.  I was gonna take him or Alan Hanson before Bale, so I am happy he slid.  He is extremely versatile playing any back four spot, or either wing back also.  He was the 1985 German Footballer of the year and twice he was the German Defender of the year.  He was twice nominated for a Balloon in 84 and 85, finishing 14th and 8th respectively.

 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
In retrospect, going with the actual seven man bench was kind of a stupid idea.  There is really no way that I can make dynamic substitutions work with the polling, so what I'll probably do is have each team designate an "offensive change" when chasing the game or needing a goal and a "defensive change" in advance.  Then we'd have a poll on whether the voters think those changes would be effective.  If 60% do, you get one re-roll in the appropriate circumstances if you make the change. 

A "change" can be more than one player though.  It can be up to the three person substitution limit and even a formation change.

So, let's say I'm playing Eephus.

My "offensive change" is replacing Tigana with Blokhin, replacing Mascherano with Effenberg and moving into a 4-3-3 shape with Effenberg holding behind Zico and Luis Figo and Blokhin and Seeler on the wings.

Eephus' defensive change is removing Shevchenko for Ardiles.

We'd specify that up front.  The voters would vote for whether those changes would be successful.  Say we both break 60%.  I would be allowed to re-roll any neutral result on my own roll.  Eephus would be allowed to re-roll any goal or PK conceded result on either his roll or my roll.

In the same way, the "injury" values in the table don't really work if we assume most people will vote early.  If we keep injuries, we'd want to roll for duration (so they might affect future games).  Otherwise, I can turn those values into other narrative events.
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Shouldn't affect Team Tasker/Gator...their bench rolls 18 deep...when they "rolled", it must of been on the Wandering Monster chart. 

 
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So I need a depth full back.  And I don't really like this guy, but ...

Link

I mean, he's so decorated as a LB, but ..

Link

I mean, there's the whole strike thing in 2010...

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Screw, it I'm doing it.  Give me Patrice Evra.

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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
In retrospect, going with the actual seven man bench was kind of a stupid idea.  There is really no way that I can make dynamic substitutions work with the polling, so what I'll probably do is have each team designate an "offensive change" when chasing the game or needing a goal and a "defensive change" in advance.  Then we'd have a poll on whether the voters think those changes would be effective.  If 60% do, you get one re-roll in the appropriate circumstances if you make the change. 

A "change" can be more than one player though.  It can be up to the three person substitution limit and even a formation change.

So, let's say I'm playing Eephus.

My "offensive change" is replacing Tigana with Blokhin, replacing Mascherano with Effenberg and moving into a 4-3-3 shape with Effenberg holding behind Zico and Luis Figo and Blokhin and Seeler on the wings.

Eephus' defensive change is removing Shevchenko for Ardiles.

We'd specify that up front.  The voters would vote for whether those changes would be successful.  Say we both break 60%.  I would be allowed to re-roll any neutral result on my own roll.  Eephus would be allowed to re-roll any goal or PK conceded result on either his roll or my roll.

In the same way, the "injury" values in the table don't really work if we assume most people will vote early.  If we keep injuries, we'd want to roll for duration (so they might affect future games).  Otherwise, I can turn those values into other narrative events.
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I have viewed my bench differently. I am drafting players I can plug into the starting lineup depending on opponent. For instance, when playing Gator, I would have smaller players that Vinny would never have a chance to catch. They would run circles around him, taunting him, and he would be winded and ready for a pint after 20 minutes.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Riquelme going 12 rounds after Pirlo is amazing.
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Riquelme was one of the players I first fell in love with when I started really getting into watching the sport in the early/mid 00s.  He's the main part of why I became a Boca Juniors fan (and, of course, lobbied Gator to pick La Bombonera), and I actively tried to model my game after him in my late teens when I was playing in a similar position for my club teams.   I think he gets lost in the shuffle for spending so much of his career playing in Argentina, but he was truly a great player in his day.

It was damn near impossible to knock him off the ball, and he was a pass-first playmaker who was more than capable of scoring on his own.  Also a superb free kick taker.  You look up "playmaker" and you see a handful of people up there ahead of him but he should be right in the discussion not far behind.

 
charvik said:
I have viewed my bench differently. I am drafting players I can plug into the starting lineup depending on opponent. For instance, when playing Gator, I would have smaller players that Vinny would never have a chance to catch. They would run circles around him, taunting him, and he would be winded and ready for a pint after 20 minutes.
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Everyone worried about Vinny...I like it 

 
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