Almost 50% of all black males are arrested before the age of 23 (1 Viewer)

[Joe Summer]

Over 40% of all white males are arrested before the age of 23!

 

[whoknew]

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

The problem with "inner city" schools (for the most part) has little to do with funding. The biggest problem with inner city schools is that...they're in the inner city.

What do you mean by that?

Overall socio-economic status can't be overcome by funding schools better. The family life, lifestyle, etc. of so many inner-city kids simply has an overwhelming impact upon their lives that a few hours per week spent in school simply won't overcome.

Ok. How do we fix that?

You ask that as if it's one thing. It's not . It's many things, and they're all complex.

I didn't mean to make it seem like I thought it was easy. But a journey of a million miles begins with one step.

And unlike LinusMarr, I think its important to find a solution. Or at least improve the situation. So how do we start?

 

[whoknew]

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

The problem with "inner city" schools (for the most part) has little to do with funding. The biggest problem with inner city schools is that...they're in the inner city.

What do you mean by that?

Overall socio-economic status can't be overcome by funding schools better. The family life, lifestyle, etc. of so many inner-city kids simply has an overwhelming impact upon their lives that a few hours per week spent in school simply won't overcome.

Ok. How do we fix that?

Break up the inner city (seriously).

What do you mean? How?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

How in the hell do you get to these ideas from the article you started with? What does sentencing have to do with arrests? Where did you see racism in the original stats you posted?

You're ignorant and don't understand the science. /tim

 

[Sarnoff]

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

The problem with "inner city" schools (for the most part) has little to do with funding. The biggest problem with inner city schools is that...they're in the inner city.

What do you mean by that?

Overall socio-economic status can't be overcome by funding schools better. The family life, lifestyle, etc. of so many inner-city kids simply has an overwhelming impact upon their lives that a few hours per week spent in school simply won't overcome.

Ok. How do we fix that?

1) Remove children from single-parent homes by force.

2) Force sterilization for the poor.

3) Prison/Labor camps in the desert for convicts.

4) Broaden the death penalty to cull more undesirables.

5) State-run re-education camps for those under 12.

 

[LinusMarr]

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

The problem with "inner city" schools (for the most part) has little to do with funding. The biggest problem with inner city schools is that...they're in the inner city.

What do you mean by that?

Overall socio-economic status can't be overcome by funding schools better. The family life, lifestyle, etc. of so many inner-city kids simply has an overwhelming impact upon their lives that a few hours per week spent in school simply won't overcome.

Ok. How do we fix that?

You ask that as if it's one thing. It's not . It's many things, and they're all complex.

I didn't mean to make it seem like I thought it was easy. But a journey of a million miles begins with one step.

And unlike LinusMarr, I think its important to find a solution. Or at least improve the situation. So how do we start?

Are you implying we know whats best for the inner city family? Thats a bit racist....Things wont change unless "they" want them to. Its too cool to not go to school, speak in a way where only a select few will understand you. I can go on and on here but i think you get the picture...

 

[whoknew]

Are you implying we know whats best for the inner city family? Thats a bit racist....Things wont change unless "they" want them to. Its too cool to not go to school, speak in a way where only a select few will understand you. I can go on and on here but i think you get the picture...

I'm not implying anything. I'm stating some things. Like, for example, the US has a real problem with:

a) a growing divide and separation between the wealthy and the poor; and

b) the largest prison population in a developed country.

I think these are problems that are worth it to all of us to try and solve. And I'm willing to hear any solutions to these problems.

You seem to be in the "that's their problem, they want it that way" camp. I don't agree.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

tim's link suggests otherwise (random sample of US teens followed over time), but still doesn't link to the actual study.

http://cad.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/12/18/0011128713514801.full.pdf+html

 

[Thunderlips]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Completely revamp the criminal justice system. To do this, we need to let go of our thirst for vengeance and punishment and focus on rehabilitation.

That would include:

• Decriminalizing drugs (this will help in so many ways)
• Improving education in impoverished areas to help show a viable alternative (I have no idea how to do this, just that it needs to be done)
• Stop treating criminals as animals we lock up in cages for a few years and then hope for the best
• Instead treat them as human beings with respect and reasonable/comfortable living conditions
• More money for education/alternative rehabilitation in prisons
• Continued educational training/requirements for the police force
• Somehow solve the money issue in courts - again, I don't know how to do this. But I know its a big problem - there's a big difference between getting an overworked public defender with limited resources and a high priced criminal defense attorney. But I don't know how to fix that.

I say kill them.

I say we hang them....then we kill them.

 

[Thunderlips]

If you want to stop 23 year old and younger men from being arrested.....then:

A) they need to have a viable father figure that teaches them that there's still some nobility in being a man.

B) they need to have a viable and societally acceptable way in which to release the aggression that resides in an overwhelming majority of young males of all races.

C) there needs to be an acceptance by the PC/female driven hierarchy that is slowly taking over this nation that boys and girls are different; and what works with girls doesn't always work with boys.

I'm serious. There's an entire nation of testorone driven maniacs that don't have a father figure, are told that being aggressive and physical is wrong and that they need to get in touch with their feminine inner selves in order to be socially acceptable.....and I'm not even blaming those people (women) who push this agenda as they're more or less doing what they think is the correct way. More and more...American men are giving up on their sons.

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://rt.com/usa/50-black-40-white-arrested-297/

49% of all black males

44% of all Hispanic males

40% of all white males

Those are some pretty big damn numbers. And really depressing. What is to be done?

Completely revamp the criminal justice system. To do this, we need to let go of our thirst for vengeance and punishment and focus on rehabilitation.

That would include:

• Decriminalizing drugs (this will help in so many ways)
• Improving education in impoverished areas to help show a viable alternative (I have no idea how to do this, just that it needs to be done)
• Stop treating criminals as animals we lock up in cages for a few years and then hope for the best
• Instead treat them as human beings with respect and reasonable/comfortable living conditions
• More money for education/alternative rehabilitation in prisons
• Continued educational training/requirements for the police force
• Somehow solve the money issue in courts - again, I don't know how to do this. But I know its a big problem - there's a big difference between getting an overworked public defender with limited resources and a high priced criminal defense attorney. But I don't know how to fix that.

I say kill them.

I say we hang them....then we kill them.

I say we let them go

 

[msommer]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

How in the hell do you get to these ideas from the article you started with? What does sentencing have to do with arrests? Where did you see racism in the original stats you posted?

Actually mandatory sentencing would lead to fewer arrests. Hard to get arrested when you are locked up for life.

Have we caught Tim

 

[msommer]

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

The problem with "inner city" schools (for the most part) has little to do with funding. The biggest problem with inner city schools is that...they're in the inner city.

What do you mean by that?

Overall socio-economic status can't be overcome by funding schools better. The family life, lifestyle, etc. of so many inner-city kids simply has an overwhelming impact upon their lives that a few hours per week spent in school simply won't overcome.

Ok. How do we fix that?

1) Remove children from single-parent homes by force.

2) Force sterilization for the poor.

3) Prison/Labor camps in the desert for convicts.

4) Broaden the death penalty to cull more undesirables.

5) State-run re-education camps for those under 12.

Those suggestions sound a bit like life in North Korea. Missing a few dogs but I'm sure that's just a detail.

 

[Sarnoff]

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

The problem with "inner city" schools (for the most part) has little to do with funding. The biggest problem with inner city schools is that...they're in the inner city.

What do you mean by that?

Overall socio-economic status can't be overcome by funding schools better. The family life, lifestyle, etc. of so many inner-city kids simply has an overwhelming impact upon their lives that a few hours per week spent in school simply won't overcome.

Ok. How do we fix that?

1) Remove children from single-parent homes by force.

2) Force sterilization for the poor.

3) Prison/Labor camps in the desert for convicts.

4) Broaden the death penalty to cull more undesirables.

5) State-run re-education camps for those under 12.

Those suggestions sound a bit like life in North Korea. Missing a few dogs but I'm sure that's just a detail.

I bet they have higher literacy and lower repeat criminals than the inner cities in the US. So as a solution, it's proven to work.

 

[LinusMarr]

Are you implying we know whats best for the inner city family? Thats a bit racist....Things wont change unless "they" want them to. Its too cool to not go to school, speak in a way where only a select few will understand you. I can go on and on here but i think you get the picture...

I'm not implying anything. I'm stating some things. Like, for example, the US has a real problem with:

a) a growing divide and separation between the wealthy and the poor; and

b) the largest prison population in a developed country.

I think these are problems that are worth it to all of us to try and solve. And I'm willing to hear any solutions to these problems.

You seem to be in the "that's their problem, they want it that way" camp. I don't agree.

Just keepin it real, homie...

 

[dickey moe]

Maybe there are too many laws.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Maybe there are too many laws.

Time to start the War on Laws!

 

[DocHolliday]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

3 has no impact on a culture that has no respect for education and the rule of law

Where does this money come from for number 3? Money is an easy answer as a way to solve many problems. However, It is usually just as difficult to obtain that money. Let's educate. Let's train folks. Let's hire more police as a deterent. Let's add lighting to the streets and neighborhoods. Let's put cameras on every street corner as another deterent.

"For the 2011 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $664.84 billion." Link.

I bet we can find a couple million in there to try to save ourselves.

I believe that the US spends too much money on its military. However, spending a few million on education may not solve anything. How would you spend that million? More free lunches? Free breakfasts? After school care? Free Pre-K?

The schools of today are similar if not better than the schools of a few decades ago. Why then are the US kids not being educated as well. We are falling behind other countries.

 

[DrJ]

Maybe there are too many laws.

Time to start the War on Laws!

In.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think maybe it's time for the War on Wars on things

 

[omahawildcat25]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
—Benjamin Franklin

 

[whoknew]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

3 has no impact on a culture that has no respect for education and the rule of law

Where does this money come from for number 3? Money is an easy answer as a way to solve many problems. However, It is usually just as difficult to obtain that money. Let's educate. Let's train folks. Let's hire more police as a deterent. Let's add lighting to the streets and neighborhoods. Let's put cameras on every street corner as another deterent.

"For the 2011 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $664.84 billion." Link.

I bet we can find a couple million in there to try to save ourselves.

I believe that the US spends too much money on its military. However, spending a few million on education may not solve anything. How would you spend that million? More free lunches? Free breakfasts? After school care? Free Pre-K?

The schools of today are similar if not better than the schools of a few decades ago. Why then are the US kids not being educated as well. We are falling behind other countries.

I have no answer to your questions. I don't know how to fix schools. Hell, I thought No Child Left Behind seemed like a good idea - until I realized all the unintended consequences.

So I don't know - how do we improve education?

 

[whoknew]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

—Benjamin Franklin

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but basically taken to its conclusion, that means that the ideal would be for nobody to do anything for any poor person (no welfare programs, no food assistance, no free schools, no emergency care, etc.). And then they will somehow become richer.

How will that work?

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

—Benjamin Franklin

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but basically taken to its conclusion, that means that the ideal would be for nobody to do anything for any poor person (no welfare programs, no food assistance, no free schools, no emergency care, etc.). And then they will somehow become richer.

How will that work?

Easy.

 

[jon_mx]

We need to decriminalize skittles.

 

[Jewell]

The schools of today are similar if not better than the schools of a few decades ago. Why then are the US kids not being educated as well. We are falling behind other countries.

I saw a recent chart regarding United States students; performance on the 2012 PISA test (Programme for International Student Assessment). The chart showed that, yes, United States students performance is falling in the international rankings. The chart, however, broke down American student performance by race and compared it to international students. When broken down by race you could see that America's Asian students performed quite well, and America's white students were performing above average compared to their international competitors. America's Hispanic and America's black students in particluar scored quite low compared to their international competitors. While I can't seem to locate that chart, Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan touches on it here:

Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said Tuesday morning that despite incremental progress in certain aspects of education, the United States’ results on the 2012 Programme for International Student Assessment are mediocre. {snip}

“They acknowledge the performance of America’s 15-year-olds as mediocre, but they say that’s only because our average scores are dragged down by the large number of poor, minority students in the United States,” Duncan said.

Although it is “absolutely true” that the United States has “large, unacceptable, deeply troubling achievement gaps,” Duncan said, that difference in background does not explain why some types of American students still score below their peers in other countries.

White students in the United States perform better than minority students on the PISA test in math, but still fall behind students in other education systems in places such as Shanghai, Singapore, Korea, and Vietnam.

“While our poverty rate is about 22 percent, in Vietnam, the poverty rate is about 79 percent,” Duncan said.

LINK

Alright, found some links for past PISA tests, but not the 2012 test that Duncan is speaking on above.

International test results per nation

Where American gender/race/ethnic groups fall on international graph

American student PISA scores by race/ethic group

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

—Benjamin Franklin

A true philanthropist would actually steal #### from poor people. That way they'd do even more for themselves.

 

[timschochet]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

So rather than actually address the multiple problems with the data that have been brought up or try to refute the studies and info suggesting other factors play a larger role than race, you double down and start demanding changes to the law and throwing huge piles of money around. Got it. Oh, and I forgot implying that anyone that disagreed with you was racist. Awesome.

Sorry guys, I've been busy and couldn't respond before now.

1. Yes, other factors play a role besides race, but race is also a factor.

2. I have long demanded changes to drug laws, as do many reasonable people.

3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

4. Most of those here who disagree with me are not racist. LinusMarr made a comment about african-Americans which, combined with some of his previous comments, makes me suspicious that he is racist. But that's the only one.

 

[Black Box]

If you want to stop 23 year old and younger men from being arrested.....then:

A) they need to have a viable father figure that teaches them that there's still some nobility in being a man.

B) they need to have a viable and societally acceptable way in which to release the aggression that resides in an overwhelming majority of young males of all races.

C) there needs to be an acceptance by the PC/female driven hierarchy that is slowly taking over this nation that boys and girls are different; and what works with girls doesn't always work with boys.

I'm serious. There's an entire nation of testorone driven maniacs that don't have a father figure, are told that being aggressive and physical is wrong and that they need to get in touch with their feminine inner selves in order to be socially acceptable.....and I'm not even blaming those people (women) who push this agenda as they're more or less doing what they think is the correct way. More and more...American men are giving up on their sons.

I agree with this and think it is certainly a factor.

 

[humpback]

How do you stop people like this from having children?

(pretty sure it's not by posting it to the police union's website)

 

[TobiasFunke]

How do you stop people like this from having children?

(pretty sure it's not by posting it to the police union's website)

Sterilize Nebraska?

 

[timschochet]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible.

 

[LinusMarr]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

So rather than actually address the multiple problems with the data that have been brought up or try to refute the studies and info suggesting other factors play a larger role than race, you double down and start demanding changes to the law and throwing huge piles of money around. Got it. Oh, and I forgot implying that anyone that disagreed with you was racist. Awesome.

Sorry guys, I've been busy and couldn't respond before now.

1. Yes, other factors play a role besides race, but race is also a factor.

2. I have long demanded changes to drug laws, as do many reasonable people.

3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

4. Most of those here who disagree with me are not racist. LinusMarr made a comment about african-Americans which, combined with some of his previous comments, makes me suspicious that he is racist. But that's the only one.

lol i dislike a lot of people for very different reasons, skin color isnt one of them, ace

 

[Sarnoff]

3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

Good lord. I don't know how much white/elite/Jewish/liberal/whatever guilt you've got bottled up inside you, but time to let it go, Tim.

Uselessly throwing money at a problem does not solve it.

And education worked just fine for thousands of years with little more than pencils, a map and a stick.

 

[timschochet]

Some of the responses here are pretty depressing to me. How about considering:

1. Decriminalizing the use of certain drugs?

2. Eliminating mandatory sentencing (like 3 strikes)?

3. More money going toward education in the inner cities, where much of the problem lies?

4. Less tolerance for police authorities who demonstrate clear racism against blacks and Hispanics?

Just some ideas...

So rather than actually address the multiple problems with the data that have been brought up or try to refute the studies and info suggesting other factors play a larger role than race, you double down and start demanding changes to the law and throwing huge piles of money around. Got it. Oh, and I forgot implying that anyone that disagreed with you was racist. Awesome.

Sorry guys, I've been busy and couldn't respond before now.

1. Yes, other factors play a role besides race, but race is also a factor.

2. I have long demanded changes to drug laws, as do many reasonable people.

3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

4. Most of those here who disagree with me are not racist. LinusMarr made a comment about african-Americans which, combined with some of his previous comments, makes me suspicious that he is racist. But that's the only one.

lol i dislike a lot of people for very different reasons, skin color isnt one of them, ace

All right. I found your comment questionable, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

How do you stop people like this from having children?

(pretty sure it's not by posting it to the police union's website)

My Link

 

[timschochet]

3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

Good lord. I don't know how much white/elite/Jewish/liberal/whatever guilt you've got bottled up inside you, but time to let it go, Tim.

Uselessly throwing money at a problem does not solve it.

And education worked just fine for thousands of years with little more than pencils, a map and a stick.

I question this. But whatever, it's not working now.

 

[omahawildcat25]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

—Benjamin Franklin

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but basically taken to its conclusion, that means that the ideal would be for nobody to do anything for any poor person (no welfare programs, no food assistance, no free schools, no emergency care, etc.). And then they will somehow become richer.

How will that work?

The important word in the quote is "public" provisions. Friends, families, private charities, churches should be the entities that help lift people out of poverty. The problem with public institutions as has been shown is the idea of unlimited funds so there really is no one pushing these people out of welfare. As long as the funds are their, they will always expect those funds.

 

[Black Box]

I think it comes down to time-preference. Those that have a longer-term time preference will tend to do well over time, and avoid being arrested and put value in education. Because they pay off in the long-run.

Those that prefer a shorter time-preference will tend to do poorly over time, getting into trouble and skipping out on education for something more enticing in the short-run.

Think Stanford Marshmallow Experiment.

 

[StrikeS2k]

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3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

 

[timschochet]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

—Benjamin Franklin

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but basically taken to its conclusion, that means that the ideal would be for nobody to do anything for any poor person (no welfare programs, no food assistance, no free schools, no emergency care, etc.). And then they will somehow become richer.

How will that work?

The important word in the quote is "public" provisions. Friends, families, private charities, churches should be the entities that help lift people out of poverty. The problem with public institutions as has been shown is the idea of unlimited funds so there really is no one pushing these people out of welfare. As long as the funds are their, they will always expect those funds.

I am so sick of hearing this. The idea that most people on welfare somehow enjoy it and will do nothing productive so that they can stay on welfare is really repellant to me. It's not true and it's never been true.

 

[omahawildcat25]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible

Really?

the money has gone to inflated administrations and bureaucracies. Go to the administrative offices of your inner city schools and count how many bmw, Mercedes and lexus' there are.

 

[timschochet]

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3. However much money we are spending on schools, it's not enough.

You go visit some of those inner-city schools and then tell me we're spending enough money. Besides the issues I mentioned above, they lack many of the basic materials that nice schools in the suburbs have: computers, textbooks, equipment. They lack money for everything.

 

[omahawildcat25]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

All I have to say is:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

—Benjamin Franklin

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but basically taken to its conclusion, that means that the ideal would be for nobody to do anything for any poor person (no welfare programs, no food assistance, no free schools, no emergency care, etc.). And then they will somehow become richer.

How will that work?

The important word in the quote is "public" provisions. Friends, families, private charities, churches should be the entities that help lift people out of poverty. The problem with public institutions as has been shown is the idea of unlimited funds so there really is no one pushing these people out of welfare. As long as the funds are their, they will always expect those funds.

I am so sick of hearing this. The idea that most people on welfare somehow enjoy it and will do nothing productive so that they can stay on welfare is really repellant to me. It's not true and it's never been true.

Sorry that you are tired of hearing the truth.

 

[TheIronSheik]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible.

Not saying this is the case every where, but Philadelphia public schools didn't have enough money to open this year. Yet when they went in to see where all of the money was, they found grand pianos that were never used, as well as laptops that were covered in dust and sitting in locked cages. The amount of negligent spending was laughable. And then they wondered why no one would give them more money to stay open.

 

[humpback]

How do you stop people like this from having children?

(pretty sure it's not by posting it to the police union's website)

Sterilize Nebraska?

How do you stop people like this from having children?

(pretty sure it's not by posting it to the police union's website)

My Link

Like both options.

 

[timschochet]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible

Really?

the money has gone to inflated administrations and bureaucracies. Go to the administrative offices of your inner city schools and count how many bmw, Mercedes and lexus' there are.

This is pretty commonly said too, but somehow I doubt it's the truth. While I haven't been inside the administrative offices of my local inner cities, I've driven by them, and haven't seen a lot of expensive cars there. We're not talking about very attractive buildings either- old buildings in a scary neighborhood where I wouldn't want to work.

For example, the school district office for Compton is located right across from Compton Towne Center, a large shopping center where I've been involved in a few leasing deals- and it's not a place you want to visit at night.

 

[timschochet]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible.

Not saying this is the case every where, but Philadelphia public schools didn't have enough money to open this year. Yet when they went in to see where all of the money was, they found grand pianos that were never used, as well as laptops that were covered in dust and sitting in locked cages. The amount of negligent spending was laughable. And then they wondered why no one would give them more money to stay open.

Look, Iron Sheik, I'm sure there's a lot of waste, a lot of graft, and a whole lot of stupidity. Goes with the territory. But even with all that, nobody can look at some of these inner city schools and think that enough money is allocated for them.

 

[LinusMarr]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible

Really?

the money has gone to inflated administrations and bureaucracies. Go to the administrative offices of your inner city schools and count how many bmw, Mercedes and lexus' there are.

This is pretty commonly said too, but somehow I doubt it's the truth. While I haven't been inside the administrative offices of my local inner cities, I've driven by them, and haven't seen a lot of expensive cars there. We're not talking about very attractive buildings either- old buildings in a scary neighborhood where I wouldn't want to work.

For example, the school district office for Compton is located right across from Compton Towne Center, a large shopping center where I've been involved in a few leasing deals- and it's not a place you want to visit at night.

Are you saying the people that live there are racist? I had no idea....

 

[omahawildcat25]

As far as this complaint that we've already thrown a ton of money at the inner city schools and it hasn't accomplished anything- all I can say is, I have no idea in Hell where that money's going. When I visit local inner city schools in Compton, South Central, East L.A.- they all look like ####. There's graffiti everywhere. The playgrounds are filthy. Teachers are terrified to teach there. When I then visit the nice public school my white daughters attended in Huntington Beach- there's no comparison. The money allocated cannot be equal- it's impossible

Really?

the money has gone to inflated administrations and bureaucracies. Go to the administrative offices of your inner city schools and count how many bmw, Mercedes and lexus' there are.

This is pretty commonly said too, but somehow I doubt it's the truth. While I haven't been inside the administrative offices of my local inner cities, I've driven by them, and haven't seen a lot of expensive cars there. We're not talking about very attractive buildings either- old buildings in a scary neighborhood where I wouldn't want to work.

For example, the school district office for Compton is located right across from Compton Towne Center, a large shopping center where I've been involved in a few leasing deals- and it's not a place you want to visit at night.

Over $12,000 a student per year goes to education. No matter how you slice it, government is to blame for the downfall of education. Governments have always been inefficient money hogs that should be responsible for the least amount of anything.