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weasel3515

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10 team keeper league, high performance with 2 pts. for every 10 yds/rushing/receiving, 1 point for every 10 yards passing, 6 points for rushing, receiving TDs, 4 pts. for passing TDs., -2 per fumble/INT for the player who lost it. Biggest thing may be the 1 pt. per reception.

Currently I have the #1 overall pick for next season (we draft at the prior year's draft for the next year) and have this team:

QBs Thigpen, Garcia

RBs ADP, TJ, CJ3, Slaton, Portis, M.Morris

WRs CJ2, Welker, Bess

TEs Dal. Clark, Cooley

PK Crosby

D/STs Indy, Miami

I am seriously thinking of trading my draft spot and dropping ADP in favor of CJ3 or Slaton. I know ADP will be on the cover of every magazine next year, but in this league his lack of receptions, his fumbles, and Chester vulturing TDs really hurt his value at the end of the season. I have two teams that are interested in trading draft slots, (#4 and #9) so that they can get ADP. Other keeper players, in order, will probably be (and they only get one keeper player and must use first round draft pick on him):

1.01 ADP (by whomever drafts him)

1.02 Turner

1.03 S-Jax or Westy

1.04 LT (unless he moves up to #1 to take ADP)

1.05 Forte

1.06 D-Wil or MJD

1.07 Gore

1.08 Brees or any best RB available

1.09 Nobody

1.10 Andre Johnson most likely

 
if i am reading this right you only get to keep 1 player? then no, you are probably not crazy. i am not sure i would cut him, but i don't think it's insane. i'd be more likely to trade him, but there's probably not a whole lot of value at this point if i'm reading your rules right.

 
Chester did not vulture much, if anything. IIRC he made plays on most of his TDs this season, and it isn't like he stole touches either, unless you think ADP can handle much more than 363 touches in 15 games (24 per game). That is a heavy workload for any RB.

The Vikings like to run and they have one of the best O-lines in the league to support the best RB in football.

Keep him.

 
You really need yo explain your league rules better.

I'm really not sure what your choice is. What isn't vague is confusing.

You have the 1.01 slot AND have ADP as a keeper?

Or do you have to relinquish the #1 if you keep ADP?

Or do you just relinquish your draft pick, irrespective of spot?

May you trade ADP to the owner of the #9, making him a better keeper for that team?

If so, what do you get in return?

 
Okay, I just re-read your post. I think I get it.

If you have to decide now, keep ADP.

 
If you are worried about Chester vulturing TDs from ADP then you must be terrified of Fatboy White with CJ. The only reason that Peterson gets pulled in the red zone is that he just broke a 40 yard run. Chester has taken advantage of that a few times this year. CJ on the other hand will get pulled just about every time Tenn gets inside the 5. Peterson will get plenty of touches inside the 5 and his TDs should go up next year.

ADP has to work on ball security but he has only lost fumbles in 3 games this year. Is it that big a concern from a FF point of view?

His minimal receptions should improve a bit as his game develops (including pass blocking) but Chester is too good not to get most of the action on passing downs. Chester still has one year left on his contract and will probably be looking for a starting job after that.

On pace for 1800 yds and 10 TDs and still improving. I am not in a keeper league so I am not up on all the fine strategy points. But he is going to be as close to a sure thing in FF as you can find for a long time.

 
CJ and Slaton are flashy but I don't see either one repeating their success next year. They are both too small and probably can't carry the full load.

ADP looks undervalued to me next year.

 
Thanks for all of your input! To clarify, I have the 1.01 slot and ADP. If I trade my slot it will be so someone else can grab ADP, meaning I'd have to drop him (they wouldn't trade if I keep him). Good points about CJ3 losing vultured TDs to Landwhale White. I'm leaning more to keeping Slaton as he really showed a lot later in the season and reminds me of T.Barber/Westy. The good thing is I don't have to decide until draft day.

Even if the Vikings fired the entire coaching staff they still wouldn't have much at QB and would still have Chester around for next year. The last thing that scares me about ADP is that, with the exception of this year, he gets hurt due to all of the shots he takes with his running style.

 
AD is the most talented RB in the NFL. At some point in his career, he's going to put up a string of 3 or 4 straight top 3 seasons, seasons when numbers like 2000 yards rushing or 20 rushing TDs are in play. It's easy to forget that he's only 23!

I suppose if you could give us an example of the kind of trade you would get , i.e. What would you gain for moving down? then I could answer more fully, but the answer will likely still be keep AD.

 
The solution seems pretty simple to me...so therefore I am probably not fully understanding your question.

Since you have the lst overall pick in the draft...could you not drop Peterson, select another keeper from your roster, and then select Peterson with your lst pick?

 
Underachievers said:
The solution seems pretty simple to me...so therefore I am probably not fully understanding your question. Since you have the lst overall pick in the draft...could you not drop Peterson, select another keeper from your roster, and then select Peterson with your lst pick?
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That's what I thought at first.
weasel3515 said:
Other keeper players, in order, will probably be (and they only get one keeper player and must use first round draft pick on him)
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It seems that he must give up his first rounder IF he keeps any player at all.Thus, the question boils down to keeping ADP and forgoing the 1.01 pick or not keeping any player at all, and selecting Slaton or LBJ with the 1.01I guess important factors are when these decisions have to be made.(One Keeper leagues never really made much sense to me.)
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
AD is the most talented RB in the NFL. At some point in his career, he's going to put up a string of 3 or 4 straight top 3 seasons, seasons when numbers like 2000 yards rushing or 20 rushing TDs are in play. It's easy to forget that he's only 23! I suppose if you could give us an example of the kind of trade you would get , i.e. What would you gain for moving down? then I could answer more fully, but the answer will likely still be keep AD.
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:shrug:
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
I suppose if you could give us an example of the kind of trade you would get , i.e. What would you gain for moving down? then I could answer more fully, but the answer will likely still be keep AD.
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Bingo. OP seems to be stating that he gets nothing at all. Or maybe he's getting trade-ups in picks later in the draft?

Can he trade first round draft position?

 
Here are my options:

1. Keep 1.01 AND ADP

2. Keep 1.01 and some other player (which makes no sense to me)

3. Trade my draft position with someone else and keep some other player like Slaton, Portis, CJ3 or TJ (I would have to give up ADP to get somebody else to trade draft position with me). The two that are interested are 4th and 9th.

The reason we only keep one franchise player is so that each year is new and different while you can still have your favorite player, but only IF you are willing to give up your first round pick.

Here are some scoring stats for the 5 guys in our league:

Name 50+pts. 40+pts. 30+pts. 20+pts. 10+pts. TDs Receptions Avg.pts.

ADP 1 2 7 10 14 9 21 27.3

CJ3 0 3 5 10 14 10 43 24.6

Slaton 1 1 7 11 14 9 45 25.4

TJ 0 2 7 10 14 15 35 26.2

Portis 0 0 6 10 13 8 28 24.7

Obviously, Portis' stats aren't as good as the other four who look pretty equal. I also think this was probably a career year for TJ and Leon Washington will really start cutting into his production next year. CJ3 had the least 30+ pt. games but the most 40+ pt. games and the second most catches as well as scoring more TDs than ADP with the LandWhale vulturing 1-2 TDs a game. Slaton had one less 40+ game than ADP but one more 20+ game and the same TDs with more than twice as many catches. I'd like to think that Houston will be even more of an offensive juggernaut next year, benefitting Slaton, who also had no one to vulture TDs from him.

Ideally, I guess I'd like to trade with the 1.09 guy, keep Slaton and then get CJ3 in the second round.

 
If I just read your last post correctly, one of your options is

Keep ADP and you have the #1 pick in next year's draft

Is THAT correct?

or is it that IF you keep ADP, you have to use the 1st pick to keep him?

 
In my opinion, Peterson is THE guy to have in a keeper league, and he's barely enetering his prime. I can't foresee a situation in which I'd deal him.

 
Each post gets more confusing than the previous. You state you can keep #1 and ADP, but in another post you state you would have to give up 1st rd pick to keep anyone. :goodposting:

 
Sorry for the confusion. I have the first pick, 1.01. I also own ADP. But if I want to trade that draft position then I will have to drop ADP before the draft so whatever team trades with me can draft him.

 
weasel3515 said:
Sorry for the confusion. I have the first pick, 1.01. I also own ADP. But if I want to trade that draft position then I will have to drop ADP before the draft so whatever team trades with me can draft him.
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So if you have them BOTH.....and can keep them BOTH, don't you just keep ADP and then draft Johnson or Slaton with the first pick? :shrug:
 
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We draw a new draft order for the next season at the draft and I got the #1 pick. I only get to keep ONE player. So if I keep ADP, I have to let everybody else go. If I keep Slaton or CJ3, then I can't keep ADP.

 
I don't know if I'm more confused by the question or by this thread still being in the Shark Pool.

weasel3515 said:
We draw a new draft order for the next season at the draft and I got the #1 pick. I only get to keep ONE player. So if I keep ADP, I have to let everybody else go. If I keep Slaton or CJ3, then I can't keep ADP.
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How is this different than just saying "is AD better for next year than CJ3 or Slaton"? Seems easy, keep Peterson.
 
ClownDogs said:
Man, this is confusing. Why not just keep SLaton and draft ADP at 1.01 or vice versa?
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If I keep Slaton, I have to give up ADP. We only get one keeper player. Would you keep Slaton at the 1.01 slot? I like him, but that would be overpaying. Plus, I'd like to get another decent RB in the second round.
 
weasel3515 said:
ClownDogs said:
Man, this is confusing. Why not just keep SLaton and draft ADP at 1.01 or vice versa?
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If I keep Slaton, I have to give up ADP. We only get one keeper player. Would you keep Slaton at the 1.01 slot? I like him, but that would be overpaying. Plus, I'd like to get another decent RB in the second round.
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So keep AP and draft at 1.01? Seems like a no brainer if i am understanding this right.
 
weasel3515 said:
Here are my options:1. Keep 1.01 AND ADP2. Keep 1.01 and some other player (which makes no sense to me)3. Trade my draft position with someone else and keep some other player like Slaton, Portis, CJ3 or TJ (I would have to give up ADP to get somebody else to trade draft position with me). The two that are interested are 4th and 9th.
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Option #1 and it's not even close. /thread
 
Assuming that the OP is posing a serious question, I think this thread is a example of someone trying to outsmart themselves.

Sometimes the obvious thing to do is also the smart thing to do.

 
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Butters said:
Keep ADP. You have to use the 1.01 pick to do so. So be it.
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i'm very confused, but I think this is the right interpretation of OP's rules. If he keeps Peterson, he forfeits the No. 1 pick in the draft in order to keep him. It's not an option of picking with the first pick and keeping ADP. idk. this is kind of baffling.
 
eagles2007 said:
Butters said:
Keep ADP. You have to use the 1.01 pick to do so. So be it.
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i'm very confused, but I think this is the right interpretation of OP's rules. If he keeps Peterson, he forfeits the No. 1 pick in the draft in order to keep him. It's not an option of picking with the first pick and keeping ADP. idk. this is kind of baffling.
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I don't think so.From what I gather, what he really wants to do is trade down from 1.01. In order to do that, people will want ADP to be there. If he isn't, then no one will think it's worth it to trade up.So his options are ADP+1.01or Slaton+1.0?+whatever else he can get in the trade.My opinion is that the OP is trying to be way to clever with a no-brainer situation. Unless ADP flops badly next year, the likelyhood that the trade will give equal value is low. I'd keep ADP and the 1.01 and be very happy with the situation.
 
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