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Banger
Footballguy
he's good at the dumpoffs and throws at the line but when forced to go downfield he seems to lock onto wr's.
madviking10
Footballguy
I'm not going to comment because as a four year subscriber I tend to get my threads deleted. 
Culpepper. I hear people on here talking about Willie Parker on the goaline and Ronnie Brown only getting 62 yards. To me the real stinker was Culpepper. The bulk of his yards seem to come from short pass plays that Welker turned into big gains. When it came time to make big completions he was no where to be found. He really didn't look much different from the Culpepper of last year.
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
yep, not to be the 1st i told you so of the new year, but...
i didnt understand why everyone was so big on him when he hadnt done a thing in 2 years.
i didnt understand why everyone was so big on him when he hadnt done a thing in 2 years.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
well,...he only got the yds from Welker getting yards after catch,..but then again,...Ronnie Brown would have looked like Charlie Batches moms hair-do if he hadn't got those easy goalline TD's that he really had no input on during the drives.
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The Jerk
Footballguy
How much slack do you give him? Someone can stash him on the bench for a few weeks, but when do you drop him and take a shot at a Rivers or Brad Johnson or whoever is on the WW? One game is no doubt too small of a sample, but given the 2005 string of debacles, I'm not sure I'd be as patient with him as others.
He looked bad. If you have him in a league I feel sorry for you.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
GB ifs. Its what make FF message boards so much fun.
Banger
Footballguy
If he does it against an average defense I'd be worried. For the 1st game of the year against the Steelers on their turf. I give him a pass.He's got to get more accurate though, he missed a lot open guys.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Culpepper wasn't nearly as bad as people think he was last year.He had two excellent games, where he averaged 28.3 FP/G
He had two slightly below average games, but they were against the Bears and the Bucs.
He had two average games, against Cincinnati and Atlanta.
Culpepper had the second hardest schedule in the league last year, slightly behind Brad Johnson and tied with Joey Harrington. You know how they did. Culpepper averaged more FP/G than Eli Manning last year.
railman305
Footballguy
I agree he really didn't look good at all escpecially in the 2nd half, he was off on a good portion of his balls, seemed like most of his deep ones where no where near anyone, the one to chambers in the end zone that almost was picked also was really bad, but he is coming off a huge injury playing one of the best defenses on there turf, so I would think he still can have a solid season, but I dont think a top 5 return to what he used to be in Minn.
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
look at his INTs, he couldnt even push off his leg. I think it ws more fatigue than actual injury, but still.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Read this brilliant quote re: Culpepper on a Dolphins board and absolutely had to share:
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
He looked about as good as the amount of people Culpepper supporters sway when they try to defend him....
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
C=Pep also had Mewelde Moore at RB and Eli had Tiki Barber. Not a fair comparison.
madviking10
Footballguy
I thought he looked great. 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
In 2004 he racked up about 400+ FF points...in 2005 he tore his ligaments...2 years? if he didn't do anything this season maybe at the end you could say that...long season.
ydub
Footballguy
Sharp observation. When a guy flat out refuses to "turn" into his hips that's a sure sign of a larger problem. He looked confident at the beginning of the game and Saban clearly designed the gameplan to ease him in to the flow of gamespeed action. But once he dropped the Brooks Bollinger impression it got ugly.
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jurb26
Footballguy
No, he didn't. Not when Moss was healthy.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
merged more than likely, as this one will beI'm not going to comment because as a four year subscriber I tend to get my threads deleted.
Saint
Footballguy
As a Collins owner from last year, Collins looked bad. Even Moss couldn't help him.... cost me the league last year with that schmuck.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Granted, I was at work and didn't see the game, but...
I recall the Steelers making some guy named Peyton look pretty bad about eight months ago.
I'd wait until Daunte plays a non-elite defense before crucifying him.
Edit to Add: I don't necessarily disagree that Moss made Daunte look better than he is. But this game is hardly strong evidence.
I recall the Steelers making some guy named Peyton look pretty bad about eight months ago.
I'd wait until Daunte plays a non-elite defense before crucifying him.
Edit to Add: I don't necessarily disagree that Moss made Daunte look better than he is. But this game is hardly strong evidence.
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jurb26
Footballguy
For the millionth time, here are Collins numbers with a healthy Moss last year:
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WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 1 nwe | 18 39 265 3 0 | 1 2 0 || 2 kan | 21 35 263 1 0 | 2 11 0 || 3 phi | 24 42 345 2 0 | 1 -1 0 || 4 dal | 13 23 218 0 0 | 2 -1 0 |
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Culpepper wasnt that bad.
1. This was his first real game back. The last meaningful game he played was a long time ago with a different team and a different offense.
2. This was his first FULL game. He looked tired in the second half. He was much better in the first half but his passes looked to lose a little velocity in the second half.
3. This was the Pitt defense. Enough said. This defense makes everyone look bad.
4. This was the worst offensive game planning ever put into place in my opinion. They threw the ball like 80 times in the second half and ran the ball what once? Who the hell is calling these plays? Horrible.
1. This was his first real game back. The last meaningful game he played was a long time ago with a different team and a different offense.
2. This was his first FULL game. He looked tired in the second half. He was much better in the first half but his passes looked to lose a little velocity in the second half.
3. This was the Pitt defense. Enough said. This defense makes everyone look bad.
4. This was the worst offensive game planning ever put into place in my opinion. They threw the ball like 80 times in the second half and ran the ball what once? Who the hell is calling these plays? Horrible.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
All this hate sounds a lot like knee jerk reactions to pre-season games. It was his FIRST real game back after a hurried recovery from major knee surgury - @ the defending SB champ's house in a nationally televised game. Yea, the 2 picks were ugly, and his FF scoring was marginal. But, let's give him a few games to get settled down and see where he's at before he's labled a bust. PIT was throwing the house at him early and often, and unfortunately the O line wasn't up to the task - forcing a lot of dump offs. PIT was also very effective taking Chambers out of the first half of the game and McMichael wasn't helping much either. Give credit where it's due and that's w/ Lebeau and the PIT D forcing MIA to pass w/ no running game.
Granted the line play needs to improve (both run and pass blocking), but I wasn't expecting a 350 and 3 td game from him anyway. Those of us counting on CPepp likely got him mid/late in the draft and likely are using some version of QBBC w/ him - so playing matchups and giving the MIA offense a little time to gel will still yield good/solid #s. I'm still confident that (if healthy) he'll get 22-25 tds w/ 2 or 3 rushing and STILL outperform his ADP.
I'm sure if he passed for a TD or 2 (vs. RB running them in) and wasn't forcing the ball resulting in the INTs late this post wouldn't exist. 50% completion and 260 yds. isn't horrible - especially considering he got no help from the run game and was blitzed the majority of the time - barely getting time to s/u in the pocket (that didn't exhist). I also don't get the hate for short passes that turn into long gains. Sure they're not as pretty as the bombs to Moss, but they look the same on the score sheet.
Tau837
Footballguy
I didn't think he looked that bad considering the situation (vs. great defense on the road, 1st game back from injury).
He made a great touch pass to Welker near the right sideline that led to a big gainer. Welker ran with it, but that's only because Culpepper threw a perfect ball.
He moved in the pocket well, which helped him complete a couple, like the one that Booker then took for 50. Again, Booker ran with it, but that play doesn't happen without a good throw on the run from Culpepper.
In the red zone series when he threw a few times, I thought Chambers should have had the first throw for a TD. The DB made a nice play, but only because Chambers didn't catch the ball cleanly to begin with.
Later, on the throw that was almost intercepted, I thought Madden got it wrong when he said Culpepper was trying to throw it away. He threw it before Chambers broke, and thought he would break to the back of the end zone. Instead, Chambers squared off his break, so it looked like a bad pass. I don't think it was a bad pass, it was just a case of Culpepper and Chambers not having the familiarity or one of them making the wrong read.
Anyway, his crew of receivers (Chambers, Booker, Welker, McMichael, and Brown) look good. His schedule looks good. Most likely, he'll improve as he shakes the rust and gains confidence in the knee. If his owner in your league panics, I'd say buy low.
(And I don't own him in any league.)
He made a great touch pass to Welker near the right sideline that led to a big gainer. Welker ran with it, but that's only because Culpepper threw a perfect ball.
He moved in the pocket well, which helped him complete a couple, like the one that Booker then took for 50. Again, Booker ran with it, but that play doesn't happen without a good throw on the run from Culpepper.
In the red zone series when he threw a few times, I thought Chambers should have had the first throw for a TD. The DB made a nice play, but only because Chambers didn't catch the ball cleanly to begin with.
Later, on the throw that was almost intercepted, I thought Madden got it wrong when he said Culpepper was trying to throw it away. He threw it before Chambers broke, and thought he would break to the back of the end zone. Instead, Chambers squared off his break, so it looked like a bad pass. I don't think it was a bad pass, it was just a case of Culpepper and Chambers not having the familiarity or one of them making the wrong read.
Anyway, his crew of receivers (Chambers, Booker, Welker, McMichael, and Brown) look good. His schedule looks good. Most likely, he'll improve as he shakes the rust and gains confidence in the knee. If his owner in your league panics, I'd say buy low.
(And I don't own him in any league.)
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
The ball that hit Chambers in the hands was all Chambers fault.
That ball was thrown way too hard. It was a short distance and Chambers was just coming out of his break. I'm not saying that it was impossible to catch, but I would bet that the Owens. Harrisons, and S.Smith's of the world would come up with that catch less than 50% of the time.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Granted the interceptions were NOT good...he didn't have a running game to speak of so he had to force the passing game. Not entirely his fault. He will be top 10 this year. Now is the time to go get him!!I thought he rushed a lot of passes. Timing between him and the WR looked off. However, I'm not yet ready to worry, I'll start when he lays an egg against an average to below average defense.
Also he looked pretty thin, I thought.
Good news for Brown owners though. C-pep won't be taking any GL carries.
Also he looked pretty thin, I thought.
Good news for Brown owners though. C-pep won't be taking any GL carries.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Thanks for taking Mr. Turnover off of our hands Miami, have fun with C-Pep all year. 
Game 1. 2 Ints
Game 1. 2 Ints
I know he had some awesome stats early on with Minnesota, but based on his performance last year and his first game this year, I can see why fans are a little skeptical about his skills.He seems too young for him to be on the doenside of his career, so maybe Carter and Moss made him a look a little better than he is. I think that could also be said for Jeff George and Randall Cunningham.
cr8f
Footballguy
Give him time. He looked good the year before after Moss was injured going to Burleson. Give him time.
nygiants56
Footballguy
all the warning signs were up last year, when he tossed 6 tds to 12 ints BEFORE getting hurt..he doesn't look any better than last year..he's NOT the same guy without Moss and Carter..did Carter make Culpepper MORE accurate? I think so. the guy was always making one handed grabs that no one else could make...CPepp was spraying the ball all over the place last night, just as he did last year before he got hurt.he's probably better than Carr and maybe Kerry Collins at this point ( joking), but his days of being an elite QB are long gone..the schedule gets easier, but still, he won't be a stud QB anymore..I think alot of folks are just still real bitter with how high they took him.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
I give him the finger!
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Duh....
To be fair, 2005 was a clunker, but 2004 was one of the great seasons ever by a QB. That wasn't all Moss. He looked horrible last night. I'll give that. He's coming back off of a knee injury, and a big part of his game at 255 was his mobility and his ability to make plays after the breakdown. He's never been a great pure passer, but he's still a top 10 NFL QB. I wouldn't quit on him after one game. He's got the weapons. He's in a new system, going against one of the elite pass defenses in the league, that shut down the Colts and made Manning look pathetic in the AFC Championship in January. As a Pats fan, I fear the resurgence of Pepper along with that pass catching talent more than anything on that team. And, even if he fails, they've got Harrington in the wings, who I believe can be salvaged from the Millen debacle that is the Detriot Lions franchise.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The thing that really stood out to me about Culpepper last night as a Dolphin fan was not necessarily his poor decision making but just the fact that for an NFL QB he has really poor accuracy.
I mean, he was missing the mark on 5 yard outs, 8 yard hitches, etc time and time again last night and those are throws that should be made every time even at the high school level.
I mean, he was missing the mark on 5 yard outs, 8 yard hitches, etc time and time again last night and those are throws that should be made every time even at the high school level.
painkiller
Footballguy
There are a ton of Vikings fans that used to say the same thing. You probably noticed last night, that if Culpepper is under pressure (either via pass rush or to come from behind in the closing minutes), he makes poor decisions, takes sacks, throws interceptions, and sometimes fumbles. I lived in Minnesota during the Culpepper years and can tell you that watching the game was just like watching a Vikings game the past few years.Culpepper and Chambers will get their TDs, but the Dolphins will still struggle to make it to 10-6.
War Eagle
Footballguy
Calm down folks.....Let's NOT forget the defense Culpepper was dealing with OR the state of the Miami O-Line!
There were at least 3 plays where Culpepper was SHOCKED to have more than 2 seconds to stand in the pocket.
He looked good and as soon as he feels like he can trust his O-Line and his legs, he'll be back to great.
There were at least 3 plays where Culpepper was SHOCKED to have more than 2 seconds to stand in the pocket.
He looked good and as soon as he feels like he can trust his O-Line and his legs, he'll be back to great.
