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[IvanKaramazov]

On the other hand, part of why Tim changes his mind so frequently, I think, stems from his habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly. To that extent, some of the s may be warranted.

Thanks Maurile. Your criticism is warranted. I am flawed in that I make initial assumptions all too quickly.

I would suggest that timschochet's habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly is particularly exacerbated on certain topics, like any topic that potentially involves race, "populism", or "conspiracies". I assume there's a personal history on these topics that makes them more sensitive, perhaps.

Part of it also has to do with a tendency to ascribe motives to actions, based on the political leaning of the actor (e.g. when a Democrat does/says something dumb, timschochet chalks it up as a mistake and isolated, but when a Republican does/says something dumb, he marks it in the intentionally hurtful column and notes it as pattern-worthy).

I don't think your last point is at all accurate.

It absolutely is. This thread is a good example. If you go back to page one, you would find that lots of us had problems with prisoner exchanges before any of these events took place -- in other words, we were supporting the actions of the administration at the time. But then when many of us starting questioning this deal, you (as usual) wrote it off to partisan politics. That's lazy, condescending, and insulting.

 

[BassNBrew]

On the other hand, part of why Tim changes his mind so frequently, I think, stems from his habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly. To that extent, some of the s may be warranted.

Thanks Maurile. Your criticism is warranted. I am flawed in that I make initial assumptions all too quickly.

I would suggest that timschochet's habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly is particularly exacerbated on certain topics, like any topic that potentially involves race, "populism", or "conspiracies". I assume there's a personal history on these topics that makes them more sensitive, perhaps.

Part of it also has to do with a tendency to ascribe motives to actions, based on the political leaning of the actor (e.g. when a Democrat does/says something dumb, timschochet chalks it up as a mistake and isolated, but when a Republican does/says something dumb, he marks it in the intentionally hurtful column and notes it as pattern-worthy).

I don't think your last point is at all accurate.

It absolutely is. This thread is a good example. If you go back to page one, you would find that lots of us had problems with prisoner exchanges before any of these events took place -- in other words, we were supporting the actions of the administration at the time. But then when many of us starting questioning this deal, you (as usual) wrote it off to partisan politics. That's lazy, condescending, and insulting.

I agree. In another thread TGunz makes two good points and twenty horrible posts, Tim goes out of his way to post about how TGunz is the greatest thing since the NSA was created. Matttyl makes twenty good posts and two vague posts and Tim calls him out for hating Obama.

 

[cstu]

Tim, if it was meaningless to let these 5 go, then what was Obama's reason for pursuing Bin

Laden?

al-Qaeda and the Taliban are two very different entities. Also Osama had name recognition, so his death was one of the very few that actually mattered.

Tim, maybe these guys don't have name recognition because they've been in Gitmo. What if they mastermind something terrible?Name recognition should have nothing to do with it.

Bin Laden wasn't a name until he did what he did.

This Constand reference to "mastermind" implies that the guys are somehow evil geniuses, and that their return to the Taliban is going to cause something dreadful to happen. These guys are Taliban leaders, willing to kill and die and get others to kill and die. The Taliban has hundreds of such men, and thousands more willing to follow them. Five more have no special significance, given that we're going to free them all anyhow.

Is this why they allowed themselves to be captured?

 

[fatness]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has told people treating him at a U.S. military medical facility in Germany that he was tortured, beaten and held in a cage by his Taliban captors in Afghanistan after he tried to escape on at least two occasions, a senior U.S. official said Sunday.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss what Bergdahl has revealed about the conditions of his captivity.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-claims-taliban-kept-him-in-a-cage/

 

[timschochet]

On the other hand, part of why Tim changes his mind so frequently, I think, stems from his habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly. To that extent, some of the s may be warranted.

Thanks Maurile. Your criticism is warranted. I am flawed in that I make initial assumptions all too quickly.

I would suggest that timschochet's habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly is particularly exacerbated on certain topics, like any topic that potentially involves race, "populism", or "conspiracies". I assume there's a personal history on these topics that makes them more sensitive, perhaps.

Part of it also has to do with a tendency to ascribe motives to actions, based on the political leaning of the actor (e.g. when a Democrat does/says something dumb, timschochet chalks it up as a mistake and isolated, but when a Republican does/says something dumb, he marks it in the intentionally hurtful column and notes it as pattern-worthy).

I don't think your last point is at all accurate.

It absolutely is. This thread is a good example. If you go back to page one, you would find that lots of us had problems with prisoner exchanges before any of these events took place -- in other words, we were supporting the actions of the administration at the time. But then when many of us starting questioning this deal, you (as usual) wrote it off to partisan politics. That's lazy, condescending, and insulting.

I agree. In another thread TGunz makes two good points and twenty horrible posts, Tim goes out of his way to post about how TGunz is the greatest thing since the NSA was created. Matttyl makes twenty good posts and two vague posts and Tim calls him out for hating Obama.

Apparently you guys read what you want to read. I've been extremely complimentary to matttyl in that thread, and though I've criticized him at times I never accused him of hating Obams. And I defended tgunz against harsh criticism after some of his predictions turned out to be correct; however, we don't see eye to eye on that subject and have argued plenty. Ivan, I didn't write anything off. It's quite reasonable to have issue with this trade as you did earlier. But the amount of attention it's been given, the level of vitriol by some in this thread and elsewhere- I believe that's partisan and ugly.

 

[RCon]

On the other hand, part of why Tim changes his mind so frequently, I think, stems from his habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly. To that extent, some of the s may be warranted.

Thanks Maurile. Your criticism is warranted. I am flawed in that I make initial assumptions all too quickly.

I would suggest that timschochet's habit of jumping to initial conclusions too quickly is particularly exacerbated on certain topics, like any topic that potentially involves race, "populism", or "conspiracies". I assume there's a personal history on these topics that makes them more sensitive, perhaps.

Part of it also has to do with a tendency to ascribe motives to actions, based on the political leaning of the actor (e.g. when a Democrat does/says something dumb, timschochet chalks it up as a mistake and isolated, but when a Republican does/says something dumb, he marks it in the intentionally hurtful column and notes it as pattern-worthy).

I don't think your last point is at all accurate.

Calling it like I see it. It's a constant pattern with you. Now, it is possible that your bias in this regard isn't liberal versus conservative, but rather incumbent party versus minority party. In fact, given your propensity to believe without verification pretty much anything any authority figure tells you, the bolded is a distinct possibility. The bolded would also explain why you yourself don't see it. Regardless, for the last several years, you have constantly ascribed "evil intent" motives to Republican actions or statements you dislike, while ascribing "unfortunate or isolated mistake" motives to Democrat actions or statements you dislike.

As an example, we can look at your idea of "deliberate lies" by Bush 43 and Obama. Repeatedly, you hem and haw at suggestions that Obama knew something he said was untruthful, while outright stating that Bush knew something he said was untruthful, despite far more evidence for the former. "Bush deliberately lied about WMD in Iraq." versus "Obama was incorrect that costs would rise, but it wasn't a lie." Similarly, there is no possible way to interpret "We don't have a domestic spying program" as anything other than an outright and deliberate lie at the time, yet you refuse to call him out for an actual lie.

 

[timschochet]

Rich I don't see it. But I have plenty of flaws I don't see. I'm not going to go back and examine everything I've written, but I'll try to be more aware of what I write in the future in terms of this criticism.

 

[RCon]

Rich I don't see it. But I have plenty of flaws I don't see. I'm not going to go back and examine everything I've written, but I'll try to be more aware of what I write in the future in terms of this criticism.

Not sure if you remember, but this is at least the fourth time I've pointed this out (the ascribing motives thing). Each time, you've said you'll try to be more aware of it in the future.

 

[timschochet]

Rich I don't see it. But I have plenty of flaws I don't see. I'm not going to go back and examine everything I've written, but I'll try to be more aware of what I write in the future in terms of this criticism.

Not sure if you remember, but this is at least the fourth time I've pointed this out (the ascribing motives thing). Each time, you've said you'll try to be more aware of it in the future.

LOL! WellThen, I guess I'll keep trying!

 

[timschochet]

One thing you wrote Rich is 100% true: I was totally wrong to write that Bush deliberately lied about the Iraq war. I hated that was the longer it dragged on, but how the hell would I know if he lied? Usually I'm extremely skeptical when Presidents from either party are accused of deliberate major lies. I should be in this instance too. I will never repeat that charge, or any similar charge, unless there is very clear proof.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I think we should talk more about Tim.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

 

[Kevrunner]

I guess we have a hit squad that is stationed in Qatar that will take these 5 out and then we get a military trail that will judge what's his name. That is the only explanation of this prisoner exchange that makes sense.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

And how sure are you that these are from conservatives?

 

[avoiding injuries]

*69 traced one of the threats back to Diane Feinstein.

 

[Kevrunner]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Was there any outrage recently from our liberals regarding the death threats towards Republican Trey Gowdy, since being named the Select Committee chair that will simply seek the truth about Benghazi.

Well played liberals. Well played indeed.

 

[timschochet]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

And how sure are you that these are from conservatives?

Good posting Max. There are wacko extremists on both the left and right. They don't represent anyone but themselves.

 

[pizzatyme]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his

capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local

partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Is this supposed to be either accurate or funny? I'm seeing neither.

 

[poopdawg]

Can we pass out face punches instead of likes? My god I would love to knock a few people out.....

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

And how sure are you that these are from conservatives?

Good posting Max. There are wacko extremists on both the left and right. They don't represent anyone but themselves.

You come across as a slightly less toolish version of BST every time you post about how "conservatives" do this or that.

 

[Kal El]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has told people treating him at a U.S. military medical facility in Germany that he was tortured, beaten and held in a cage by his Taliban captors in Afghanistan after he tried to escape on at least two occasions, a senior U.S. official said Sunday.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss what Bergdahl has revealed about the conditions of his captivity.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-claims-taliban-kept-him-in-a-cage/

That truly sounds horrible. I think it casts doubt on him as a traitor, but he still apparently left of his own volition.

 

[timschochet]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

And how sure are you that these are from conservatives?

Good posting Max. There are wacko extremists on both the left and right. They don't represent anyone but themselves.

You come across as a slightly less toolish version of BST every time you post about how "conservatives" do this or that.

I don't think I generalize anywhere close to what you're suggesting. But nonetheless I will try to pay attention to it and not do that.

 

[HellToupee]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

And how sure are you that these are from conservatives?

Good posting Max. There are wacko extremists on both the left and right. They don't represent anyone but themselves.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

We are not talking about OBAMA getting death threats, for your Bush equivalent.

We are talking about the family of a returning POW.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

We are not talking about OBAMA getting death threats, for your Bush equivalent.

We are talking about the family of a returning POW.

And any liberals sending death threats to returning POWs while Bush was the CIC is just as disgusting.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Was there any outrage recently from our liberals regarding the death threats towards Republican Trey Gowdy, since being named the Select Committee chair that will simply seek the truth about Benghazi.

Well played liberals. Well played indeed.

Was he a returning POW?

A: no. He was an extremist political hack.

 

[pizzatyme]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

We are not talking about OBAMA getting death threats, for your Bush equivalent.

We are talking about the family of a returning POW.

Point to where it says conservatives are making the death threats in the link, please?

 

[HellToupee]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

We are not talking about OBAMA getting death threats, for your Bush equivalent.

We are talking about the family of a returning POW.

And any liberals sending death threats to returning POWs while Bush was the CIC is just as disgusting.

Do you not agree there are both good and bad Ds & Rs? Or is it always D good R bad?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

..., this will go down as one of the most epic blunders in modern Presidential history.

Absent these five guys pulling off a stunning terrorist strike this will be soon forgotten.

no way. Its the new rallying cry... Benghazi will drop to #2.

What is the staying power of topics that shift to be about calling out Tim? Or, when those rallying around the issue start shouting "both sides do it" in defense? ,

 

[RCon]

I kind of assume these five were sedated and implanted with tracking chips before being turned over. Seems like we'd have the capability to do that without being caught.

 

[jonessed]

The FBI is investigating threats against the parents of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the latest development in a case that has put the spotlight on the circumstances surrounding his capture in Afghanistan and release by the Taliban.

"We are working jointly with our state and local partners and taking each threat seriously," FBI Special Agent William Facer told CNN in an e-mail on Saturday.

Facer declined to detail the nature and severity of the threats, and a military spokesperson for the Bergdahls declined to comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/

Well played conservatives. Well played indeed.

Were you just as snarky with liberals when Bush got death threats? Or Scott Walker? Or any number of conservatives for that matter?

We are not talking about OBAMA getting death threats, for your Bush equivalent.

We are talking about the family of a returning POW.

And any liberals sending death threats to returning POWs while Bush was the CIC is just as disgusting.

Do you not agree there are both good and bad Ds & Rs? Or is it always D good R bad?

You are talking to the liberal Jim11. It's always going to be the same.I actually think this guy is going to have his head on a swivel when he is released. We were in Escondido (near Camp Pendleton) this weekend visiting friends and you could hear the discussions amongst marines. He is highly unpopular.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/us/bergdahl-search-soldiers/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"The fact of the matter is, when those soldiers were killed, they would not have been where they were at if Bergdahl had not have left," said former Sgt. Evan Buetow, Bergdahl's former team leader.

:butterflyeffect:

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Do we negotiate with terrorists? Pretty much.

 

[fatness]

Do we negotiate with terrorists? Pretty much.

From that article

• After the North Koreans captured the U.S.S. Pueblo in 1968, President Lyndon Johnson apologized for spying as part of negotiations to secure the release of 83 American prisoners.
  
• In 1970, President Richard Nixon pressured Israel, Switzerland, West Germany and Britain to release Palestinian prisoners after two airlines were hijacked by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
  
• During the Iran hostage crisis of 1979 to 1981, President Jimmy Carter agreed to unfreeze $8 billion in frozen Iranian assets after more than a year of negotiations with the Iranian revolutionaries.
  
• In perhaps the most famous swap, after seven Americans were captured in Beirut, Lebanon, President Ronald Reagan agreed to send missiles to Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal.
  
• President Bill Clinton’s administration sat down with Hamas in attempts to negotiate peace with Israel. His administration also worked directly with the Taliban nearly two decades ago on several occasions to see if the group would hand over Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders.
  

Reiss also noted that President George W. Bush engaged in negotiations with Iran and North Korea even after decreeing them part of the "Axis of Evil."

 

[Aerial Assault]

Tim, fer chrissakes, stop engaging with these chodes who want to make it all about you. First, you have a right to your opinions and don't have to apologize for not engaging in Polemics According to Conway. Second, these trolls have nothing substantive to talk about, so they use you as a distractor. Just let their weak positions wither in the daylight.

 

[timschochet]

Tim, fer chrissakes, stop engaging with these chodes who want to make it all about you. First, you have a right to your opinions and don't have to apologize for not engaging in Polemics According to Conway. Second, these trolls have nothing substantive to talk about, so they use you as a distractor. Just let their weak positions wither in the daylight.

I respect Rich and Ivan, and take their critiques seriously. Others not so much.

 

[timschochet]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

 

[jonessed]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

 

[timschochet]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

Because along with the suggestion that he deserted, there has also been all throughout this the implication that he is a traitor who worked with the Taliban. If that part isn't true, maybe none of it is true. Who knows? We'll find out soon enough...

 

[jonessed]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

Because along with the suggestion that he deserted, there has also been all throughout this the implication that he is a traitor who worked with the Taliban. If that part isn't true, maybe none of it is true. Who knows? We'll find out soon enough...

Maybe none of what is true?

 

[East Coast Bias]

Isn't the only difference between AWOL and desertion the amount of time someone is gone? Don't all deserters start out as being AWOL?

 

[avoiding injuries]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

Because along with the suggestion that he deserted, there has also been all throughout this the implication that he is a traitor who worked with the Taliban. If that part isn't true, maybe none of it is true. Who knows? We'll find out soon enough...

To me, it seems like you are trying to connect A to D while skipping over B and C. I have linked to plenty of news stories in this thread, none of which were from Fox News. This isn't a Right vs Left issue (although the criticism and support of the president is certainly heading that way), and when you try to single out Fox, it seems like an attempt to turn this completely partisan.

 

[jonessed]

Isn't the only difference between AWOL and desertion the amount of time someone is gone? Don't all deserters start out as being AWOL?

It's based on intention, not time, I believe. You can be gone for a day and be a deserter or a week and be AWOL.

The army already investigated and determined he went AWOL of his own free will. They don't know whether he ever intended to come back though because they couldn't speak with him.

We will likely never know the full truth. He's not going to admit to desertion. That would be moronic.

 

[glock]

Isn't the only difference between AWOL and desertion the amount of time someone is gone? Don't all deserters start out as being AWOL?

...and then there is the additional leap that he is a traitor as well.

 

[timschochet]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

Because along with the suggestion that he deserted, there has also been all throughout this the implication that he is a traitor who worked with the Taliban. If that part isn't true, maybe none of it is true. Who knows? We'll find out soon enough...

Maybe none of what is true?

That he was a bad guy unworthy of rescue or trade.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Isn't the only difference between AWOL and desertion the amount of time someone is gone? Don't all deserters start out as being AWOL?

It's based on intention, not time, I believe. You can be gone for a day and be a deserter or a week and be AWOL.

The army already investigated and determined he went AWOL of his own free will. They don't know whether he ever intended to come back though because they couldn't speak with him.

We will likely never know the full truth. He's not going to admit to desertion. That would be moronic.

Thanks. I just looked it up. Seems like they could easily make a desertion charge stick if they wanted.

 

[jonessed]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

Because along with the suggestion that he deserted, there has also been all throughout this the implication that he is a traitor who worked with the Taliban. If that part isn't true, maybe none of it is true. Who knows? We'll find out soon enough...

Maybe none of what is true?

That he was a bad guy unworthy of rescue or trade.

Because he tried to escape? What does that have to do with whether the prisoner swap was a good idea?

 

[jonessed]

Isn't the only difference between AWOL and desertion the amount of time someone is gone? Don't all deserters start out as being AWOL?

It's based on intention, not time, I believe. You can be gone for a day and be a deserter or a week and be AWOL.The army already investigated and determined he went AWOL of his own free will. They don't know whether he ever intended to come back though because they couldn't speak with him.

We will likely never know the full truth. He's not going to admit to desertion. That would be moronic.

Thanks. I just looked it up. Seems like they could easily make a desertion charge stick if they wanted.

They don't want to and he isn't going to want to.

 

[timschochet]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place? [/b ]There's a lot we don't know about this story. It sure would be something if Fox News turned out to be completely wrong.

Wonder if Tommyboy still wants Bergdahl to get ball cancer?

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Why would the Taliban alter their initial treatment based on whether he intended to desert or just went AWOL?

Because along with the suggestion that he deserted, there has also been all throughout this the implication that he is a traitor who worked with the Taliban. If that part isn't true, maybe none of it is true. Who knows? We'll find out soon enough...

To me, it seems like you are trying to connect A to D while skipping over B and C. I have linked to plenty of news stories in this thread, none of which were from Fox News. This isn't a Right vs Left issue (although the criticism and support of the president is certainly heading that way), and when you try to single out Fox, it seems like an attempt to turn this completely partisan.

It is my impression that SOME conservatives are trying to make Bergdahl out to be a really bad guy so as to paint this trade as a scandal and a black mark for President Obama, and also to energize the Republican base before the next election, and that Fox News is the biggest culprit. This is irrespective of other news outlets reporting aspects of this story, and of people without partisan intent who raise legitimate concerns about this trade.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So Bergdahl tried to escape several times and was tortured. I'm starting to wonder if he really deserted in the first place?

Everyone from his unit (at least six men, as far as I know) who has spoken out in the last week or so has said there is no question he deserted. Are you calling them all liars? What would they have to gain by lying? What is their motive?