America's #1 Problem: Diabetes up 4x in 3 decades (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Our healthcare systems is very excited to help fix this major problem by prescribing medication that will help the pharmaceutical make billions in profits, when all that needs to happen is people just need to eat better.

America!  #### yea!

RACK IT!!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Diabetes is genetic for many, so this is an oversimplification of the problem. 

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[Ministry of Pain]

then there is this..

The good news is that type 2 diabetes is largely preventable. About 9 cases in 10 could be avoided by taking several simple steps: keeping weight under control, exercising more, eating a healthy diet, and not smoking.

Can I get an Amen?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ok then, the 8-14% of people for which its genetic don't have to pay more.   Just the non-genetic heavies.  Or maybe the genetic heavies still pay more but not as much.  They can blame their parents for being heavy and polluting the gene pool.  

Like 90% of the peeps is not genetic so maybe we start there.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is pretty much impossible for parents.  Good luck keeping a 4-8yo under 12 grams of sugar.

Do 5 year olds have a lot of ways to pay for the candy in the store? Do they load up the lil red wagon with soda pop and pull it home with their fridge art pictures?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

More High Fructose Corn Syrup please!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought Heroin was America's #1 problem?

Pales to the damage sugar does because its legal, readily available, and it is socially acceptable. I also should be including the evil twin HFCS and also their 1st cousin, Fructose.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 5 years or so ago - early 50s.  No family history, I have been very physically active most all of my life but did do less starting in my mid-40s.  Mostly due to a heavy work/travel schedule.  I ate lots of rich foods on the road, drank heavily and ran hard.  Went from mid-160s to low 190s at my high point (5'9").  Been maintaining 181-187 the last couple of years but just not eating as much.  

I have always drank pretty heavily and smoked - not heavily but maybe a couple packs a week (smoke mostly when drinking).  

I am not a big vegetable guy, never have been and I am better about what I eat, but don't watch that closely.  I love red meat, lunchmeat sandwiches, potato chips, butter, bacon, pizza, burgers. 

I have backed off drinking nearly as much as I used to and finally started (this week) walking for an hour a day (on day 3) and my right knee hurts like hell and the shin splits are raising their ugly heads.  Ready to start golfing more and plan to cautiously start some weight lifting on a Cybex circuit at the local gym.  

I know this is going to help my numbers tremendously.  Just very tough to get going and keep it going.  

ETA:  As for the epidemic (maybe not for me in particular) - corn subsidies are a big contributor to more diabetes.  That #### is in everything.

I could kiss you, ty for sharing all of this. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

More High Fructose Corn Syrup please!

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It's worse than sugar actually. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just the fact a lot of folks don't think its an epidemic is cause for concern.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

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It's worse than sugar actually. 

Completely.  A freakin' monster.  Though it's worse for some then it is for others.

 

[massraider]

Well the article I started with published by CNN says it's not as ez as you say it is. 

It's not completely and totally easy.  You have to give a #### about what's going in your body.  

We have control over what we eat.  And our kids.  My buddy has a vegan wife, and their kid never eats garbage.  This kid thinks avocados and baby carrots are candy for pete's sake.  

Sorry, not the #1 problem in America.  

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's not completely and totally easy.  You have to give a #### about what's going in your body.  

We have control over what we eat.  And our kids.  My buddy has a vegan wife, and their kid never eats garbage.  This kid thinks avocados and baby carrots are candy for pete's sake.  

Sorry, not the #1 problem in America.  

Just because one family...you are short changing the obesity epidemic which directly related to the Diabetes epidemic...don't take my word for it. That family you example is the exception not the norm. 

 

[BassNBrew]

It's not completely and totally easy.  You have to give a #### about what's going in your body.  

We have control over what we eat.  And our kids.  My buddy has a vegan wife, and their kid never eats garbage.  This kid thinks avocados and baby carrots are candy for pete's sake.  

Sorry, not the #1 problem in America.  

So what's the number one problem IYO?

 

[BassNBrew]

Interesting thread MOP.

You coming back for the FBG SSLs?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So what's the number one problem IYO?

Money in politics. From the politicians and how the election cycle is set up to the lobbyist flat out buying them and votes/laws.

 

[Quez]

Do 5 year olds have a lot of ways to pay for the candy in the store? Do they load up the lil red wagon with soda pop and pull it home with their fridge art pictures?

We have placed Amazon Dash buttons in the pantry next to all of my kids favorite candy & snacks.  Whenever he needs more candy he just presses the button.  If it's an item they don't have  a dash button for (like sweedish fish) then he just pulls out his tablet or smartphone and orders in the Amazon app.  

 

[NutterButter]

We have placed Amazon Dash buttons in the pantry next to all of my kids favorite candy & snacks.  Whenever he needs more candy he just presses the button.  If it's an item they don't have  a dash button for (like sweedish fish) then he just pulls out his tablet or smartphone and orders in the Amazon app.  

 

[Quez]

Don't laugh, he is as strong as an ox!!

http://addicted2success.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Fat-Kid.jpg

 

[Peyton Marino]

People's health impacts all of us. I am starting to understand why some thin people resent the chubbies. Granted there are exceptions but it is not common or normal for men to be carrying between 30-50+ lbs over what they should be. Again there are exceptions but a lot of guys feel that because they carry a good amount of muscle they should get a pass for the amount of fat they carry with it. These are the dudes who say "I'm just a big bone dude, I'm not built to be 200 lbs"...look around and ask how many Senior Citizen men in relatively good health are carrying anything close to 250-300 lbs, common sense will tell you lean and even thin is the way to go. I know guys like to feel strong but some of us are not really made to carry a lot of weight but we do anyways.

um.  how/why?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Perhaps they need to dust off Richard Simmons and have him run as VP for the GOP in November.

He's a loner who may or may not be kidnapped in his own house right now

 

[Quez]

um.  how/why?

Healthcare cost / they take all the drivable carts at grocery stores intended for real handicapped people.

 

[massraider]

So what's the number one problem IYO?

I don't feel qualified to give an answer I would be proud of, but whatever it is, it's something that individuals cannot control.

Really, tho, this is just me being a semantics jagoff.  If MOP had titled this thread, ''Obesity is a major problem, let's get on this!'', I'd be much more constructive, so my apologies.

This is an important topic, but fixing it requires the individual, the family, first.  That will make it a lot easier to attack the 'real' problem of companies producing mass quantities of food, and pumping them full of HFCS, steroids, preservatives, and god knows what else.  

Individual families refusing to eat garbage, and refusing to spend money on food that is mostly chemicals, will lead to companies doing the right thing.  

Bread in the market now, you see labels, 'NO HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP'.  Why the hell should bread ever have HFCS in the first place?  

Don't let your kids eat garbage, take a little time to get real, decent food.  It's more convenient to eat crap, I get that.  But this is food, for pete's sake.  You're putting it in your body.  Get your meat/chicken/turkey from a smaller farm market, those birds from the supermarket are disgusting.  

But everyone knows this, and everyone that eats like crap knows it.  This is a national problem, but how do you fix individual stupid?  

 

[Steve Tasker]

Bread in the market now, you see labels, 'NO HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP'.  Why the hell should bread ever have HFCS in the first place?  

After reading Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food a few years ago, I made it a point to try to seek out what hidden sugar I was eating.  I'd been a pretty healthy eater for some time with very very little processed food, but the next time I was at the store, I took a look at the bread I was buying weekly.  Sugar/HFCS was one of the first ingredients - and it was a "healthy" wheat bread.  I spent the next couple minutes reading bread ingredients down the aisle.  Every single one of them except for one, a random local rye bread, contained either added sugar or HFCS as one of the first few ingredients on the label.  I was astounded.  Since then I've either just bought that rye bread or made my own bread.

 

[cstu]

I blame Wilford Brimley for making diabetes cool.

 

[Brony]

I agree that if people eat chickens from smaller farms instead of big farms, this whole problem would just wash away.

 

[massraider]

I agree that if people eat chickens from smaller farms instead of big farms, this whole problem would just wash away.

 

[SkyRattlers]

This is pretty much impossible for parents.  Good luck keeping a 4-8yo under 12 grams of sugar.

Isn't this exactly the reason why it should be the #1 priority? It's not completely impossible to feed yourself and your kids only healthy food, but the food industry is so rigged against your health that it's become a problem the government needs to step in and get involved in. They need to put severe restrictions on what can go into our foods. They need to set severe punishments for companies that break that law.

Somewhere along the way Americans became so obsessed with money that they sacrificed everything else that matters. American corporations care only about their bottom line. Your health, short of causing immediate and lawsuit inducing deaths, is just not a factor in their decision making process.

 

[culdeus]

Isn't this exactly the reason why it should be the #1 priority? It's not completely impossible to feed yourself and your kids only healthy food, but the food industry is so rigged against your health that it's become a problem the government needs to step in and get involved in. They need to put severe restrictions on what can go into our foods. They need to set severe punishments for companies that break that law.

Somewhere along the way Americans became so obsessed with money that they sacrificed everything else that matters. American corporations care only about their bottom line. Your health, short of causing immediate and lawsuit inducing deaths, is just not a factor in their decision making process.

Did you see the outcry when there were size limits imposed on big gulps?

Food with added sugar is too cheap.  Learning from the smoking regulations the easiest way to drive behavior is to tax the users.  Phillip Morris (Now some hipster name I forget) of course fought each and every one of these but is still just raking in obscene profits even with less smokers.  

Tax sugar, remove corn subsidies, limit the ability to market these products. It may take another 20 years, but that's what has to happen.

Step 1 is a chaotic GOP convention that might result in Iowa losing their precious caucus.  The Iowa Caucus specifically I think is the single biggest reason why we are fat.  Corn farmers can go #### themselves.  

 

[mr roboto]

My kids rarely drink anything but water. Occasionally fruit juice. Very occasionally milk. They don't like soda (they say it's too sweet and fizzy). 

We have a 1 treat a day rule. If I make pancakes on a weekend morning with syrup or jam, that's a treat. Big glass of OJ at dinner? Treat. Chocolate muffin?  Treat.

So if at the end of the day they haven't had any treats they can pick a small cookie or piece of candy or small bowl of ice cream. They really don't have any issues with this cause it's the way we've raised them. 

We go out to eat with my SIL/BIL and their 2 boys (same age as our girls). They both routinely have 1-2 refills of apple juice/chocolate milk or soda. With a desert after their pasta noodles. It's insane. 

 

[jhib]

Diabetes is genetic for many, so this is an oversimplification of the problem. 

I was in an express line at the store today.  The older guy (I wouldn't call him overweight at all) in front of me was moving slowly, doing some of the kinds of things people do in front of you when you are in a hurry that just drive you nuts.  He was only buying a couple of things, but took his time getting them up to the cashier to be rung up, and then after they were, he took even more time taking out his wallet.  But instead of opening up and paying, he mumbled something and reached into his other pocket, fumbled over a candy bar and took a bite.  Then finally went through the rest of the process of paying.  In my mind, I'm rolling my eyes big time as this guy obviously has no clue he's in an express line and has people behind him.  I started paying for my items, and when the guy was out of earshot, I chuckled to the cashier and said my favorite part was how he decided that was a good time to eat some candy.  She said that he told her he was diabetic and he was having an issue right then.     

I feel like such a #####.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I was in an express line at the store today.  The older guy (I wouldn't call him overweight at all) in front of me was moving slowly, doing some of the kinds of things people do in front of you when you are in a hurry that just drive you nuts.  He was only buying a couple of things, but took his time getting them up to the cashier to be rung up, and then after they were, he took even more time taking out his wallet.  But instead of opening up and paying, he mumbled something and reached into his other pocket, fumbled over a candy bar and took a bite.  Then finally went through the rest of the process of paying.  In my mind, I'm rolling my eyes big time as this guy obviously has no clue he's in an express line and has people behind him.  I started paying for my items, and when the guy was out of earshot, I chuckled to the cashier and said my favorite part was how he decided that was a good time to eat some candy.  She said that he told her he was diabetic and he was having an issue right then.     

I feel like such a #####.

In Los Angeles one day I was at lunch with a co-worker, maybe known him 2-3 months. On the way he started a diabetic black out thing where you suddenly have a different person in front of you. I thought he was going to die and he did start to fade on me. We had pulled in to Costco for the $1.50 salesman special so I'm trying to flag anyone down and someone realized he was diabetic or had a family member with diabetes, starts shoving a snickers down his throat, he popped right out of it.