* Darrius Heyward-Bey: You've seen the best he's got. I would be selling him like yesterday's newspaper.
* Jonathan Baldwin: He has great size and was a first round pick. I never give up on first round picks unless they have a devastating injury because they are usually given a lot of opportunities to succeed.
You're not consistent with your reasoningDHB had almost 1,000 yards last year and had a good connection with Palmer to end the year. But you give up on him?
Thank you! I love when people look at the structure of the argument instead of just offering opinions. I see your point, and so I should qualify. I could be wrong about DHB, and i certainly wouldn't dump him.
He is HOLD. but I wouldn't want to count on him to improve dramatically either. The difference is that he is entering his FOURTH year. Baldwin is entering his SECOND.
While I wouldn't give up on DHB because he IS an elite pick and he does have physical talent and opportunity, I have watched him play enough to believe that he won't improve in his fourth season. I think we have seen his ceiling.
Baldwin's ceiling is yet to be determined. And there is much more room for him to rise after his rookie season.
Note to self for future reference: When az_prof says "sell like yesterday's newspaper" he really means "hold".
I am open to be persuaded. After seeing some more information, I realized that he is a hold. I still don't consider him likely to do much better than he did last year. Most FF make the mistake of assuming either that last year's production (if elite) will continue forever, or that if there was improvement last year it is sure to continue to improve at the same rate. Palmer is not an elite QB
There are other equally good receivers in Oakland so I don't see DHB demanding the lion's share of looks like White did in Atlanta (crazy comparison). And DHB has had enough time and opportunity to develop. While sometimes a player who doesn't get an opportunity early on (like Cruz or Austin) will break out later, the longer the guy is in the league the less likely it is. That's a fact.
Since you didn't comment on my post before I will rephrase.Is DHB young? Check, he's 25
Good size? Check, 6'2 210
Athletic? Check, 40=4.25, vert=38.5, 3 cone=6.8, broad jump=10'6
Productive? Check, last year= 64 receptions 975 yards 4 TD on 111 targets
Produced with 3 different QB's last year? Check
QB Jason Campbell/Kyle Boller Weeks 3-6
4 for 115 0 TD
7 for 99 1 TD
6 for 82 0 TD
5 for 89 0 TD
QB Carson Palmer Weeks 14-17
5 for 78 0 TD
8 for 155 1 TD
4 for 70 0 TD
9 for 130 1 TD
What is he lacking?