An Open letter from Dylan Farrow regarding Woody Allen (1 Viewer)

[T Bell]

So, the theory is that both Mia and Dylan are in on this lie as retribution for Soon Yi, who by all accounts, has been a willing participant and, in fact, is not his wife of 20 years? That he raped a seven year old? I love Woody's films, but that is very hard to believe. I'm inclined to believe her.

It is hard to believe that she would lie. I agree with you.

On the other hand, while Woody has always displayed a predilection for "Lolita" type of young- teenage girl infatuations (from Manhattan's lead character to Soon Yi in real life), there's never been any indication whatsoever that he was into pre-pubescent stuff.

You mean he hasn't made a movie celebrating pre-pubescent romance? Dang, I think he's innocent now.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Anyone ever seen the movie "Life and Death" (which is set in Napoleanic Russia and is sort of a spoof on Tolstoy and Checkov)?

There is a scene where the Woody Allen character, Boris, approaches a wise old rabbi and asks him what the secret of life is...

...and the ancient wise man says "Twelve year old girls."

 

[Jules Winnfield]

It's very probably true, I also am inclined to believe her. That POS ought to be in jail, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that he was a great filmmaker.

Very Probably?

What does that mean?

 

[Guest]

Anyone ever seen the movie "Life and Death" (which is set in Napoleanic Russia and is sort of a spoof on Tolstoy and Checkov)?

There is a seen where the Woody Allen character, Boris, approaches a wise old rabbi and asks him what the secret of life is...

...and the ancient wise man says "Twelve year old girls."

This and the letter from his daughter saying he mollested her make me think there could be a kernel of truth here. If only he'd married a daughter, it could really substantiate.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Have any of you looked at a photo of Soon Yi, by the way? Cause she is hideous.

 

[Fennis]

It's very probably true, I also am inclined to believe her. That POS ought to be in jail, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that he was a great filmmaker.

Very Probably?

What does that mean?

could be, maybe

 

[Fennis]

Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

Considering that's exactly what one of her own children is saying, no.

Which kid is saying that?

 

[DiStefano]

It's very probably true, I also am inclined to believe her. That POS ought to be in jail, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that he was a great filmmaker.

Very Probably?

What does that mean?

Ahh, the dictionary. It's a place where you can look up words and phrases...can be helpful, very probably...

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/probably

 

[T Bell]

None of us are likely to ever know the truth. Woody Allen seems like more than a bit of an odd duck. But Mia also seems bat #### crazy. Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

Even in the cases where conditioning or "brain washing" has occurred, the kids have years or even decades later typically felt guilty and recanted, some even going so far as to apologize to the people they were making the allegations against.

This represents someone not only doing the opposite, but doing it unprompted by any particular necessity, and putting herself out there for the first time.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Have any of you looked at a photo of Soon Yi, by the way? Cause she is hideous.

http://screen.yahoo.com/woody-allen-cold-opening-000000111.html

 

[Guest]

It's very probably true, I also am inclined to believe her. That POS ought to be in jail, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that he was a great filmmaker.

Very Probably? What does that mean?

Ahh, the dictionary. It's a place where you can look up words and phrases...can be helpful, very probably...http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/probably

This didn't really help. Is there a link to a place where I can find words with similar meaning?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don't really care about any allegations.

He hasn't made a decent movie since the early 80s.

You posted this twice in different words. Do you repeat yourself a lot in the classroom to your students?

What are you talking about?

 

[Fennis]

Have any of you looked at a photo of Soon Yi, by the way? Cause she is hideous.

http://screen.yahoo.com/woody-allen-cold-opening-000000111.html

Phil Hartman doing Sinatra gets me everytime.

I'm a coat rack, baby!

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

Considering that's exactly what one of her own children is saying, no.

Which kid is saying that?

Not Dylan or Ronan, but the other one with a weird name. It's in the article.

 

[DSP]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

Not just a moral issue but that is part of it. Morals keep a lot of people from doing a lot of heinous things

 

[Todd Andrews]

Have any of you looked at a photo of Soon Yi, by the way? Cause she is hideous.

http://screen.yahoo.com/woody-allen-cold-opening-000000111.html

I take it back--she actually looked pretty good in that clip, although Woody Allen looked a little strange.

 

[Christo]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

Not just a moral issue but that is part of it. Morals keep a lot of people from doing a lot of heinous things

Please, just stop.

 

[DSP]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

Not just a moral issue but that is part of it. Morals keep a lot of people from doing a lot of heinous things

Please, just stop.

There is nothing funny about what I said. How about you dont respond to my comments if you are going to act so childish? I was talking to tim anf smails not you

 

[Rove!]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Roman Polanski?

 

[Jules Winnfield]

It's very probably true, I also am inclined to believe her. That POS ought to be in jail, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that he was a great filmmaker.

Very Probably?

What does that mean?

Ahh, the dictionary. It's a place where you can look up words and phrases...can be helpful, very probably...

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/probably

Again I will ask

Probably or not?

Do you believe without much doubt that Woody did this? If you had to be the hangman, would you find him guilty?

 

[timschochet]

Really nasty allegations which we all hope aren't true. But moreover this is just another example of everyone caring way too much about the private lives of famous people. If the allegations are true, it's a travesty that Allen is not in prison. But if they're false, consider that the man's name is being sullied by a lot of people who don't know anyone involved personally and are not qualified to give an opinion.

They're clearly not true. Have not you not been reading timschochet's posts????

WTF??? I agree with just about everything McGarnicle wrote. I'm not the one who is certain he's guilty. There are plenty of people in this thread who are though. Why target me?

 

[timschochet]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Roman Polanski?

His "crime" was to have sex with a promiscuous 13 year old with the body of a 20 year old. I don't approve of such behavior, but it's hardly worth lifelong comdemnafion.

 

[Christo]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

Not just a moral issue but that is part of it. Morals keep a lot of people from doing a lot of heinous things

Please, just stop.

There is nothing funny about what I said. How about you dont respond to my comments if you are going to act so childish? I was talking to tim anf smails not you

 

[Christo]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Roman Polanski?

His "crime" was to have sex with a promiscuous 13 year old with the body of a 20 year old. I don't approve of such behavior, but it's hardly worth lifelong comdemnafion.

He drugged her first, #######.

 

[Rove!]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Roman Polanski?

His "crime" was to have sex with a promiscuous 13 year old with the body of a 20 year old. I don't approve of such behavior, but it's hardly worth lifelong comdemnafion.

wow

 

[Guest]

Waaaaaaaaatttt??!!!!!!!

 

[DSP]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

Not just a moral issue but that is part of it. Morals keep a lot of people from doing a lot of heinous things

Please, just stop.

There is nothing funny about what I said. How about you dont respond to my comments if you are going to act so childish? I was talking to tim anf smails not you

You are a real POS

 

[timschochet]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Roman Polanski?

His "crime" was to have sex with a promiscuous 13 year old with the body of a 20 year old. I don't approve of such behavior, but it's hardly worth lifelong comdemnafion.

He drugged her first, #######.

Not according to his testimony, nor according to her later testimony (several years after) nor according to the probation report at the time. According to all of these sources she was sexually active and a drug user, and willingly took Quaaludes with him. Now this may all be a lie. He may be lying and he may have paid her off as well. Even if it's the truth, I consider having sex with a 13 year old to be pretty disgusting. But so long as the 13 year old is physically mature, it's not on the same planet as having sex with a 7 year old.

 

[McGarnicle]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Roman Polanski?

His "crime" was to have sex with a promiscuous 13 year old with the body of a 20 year old. I don't approve of such behavior, but it's hardly worth lifelong comdemnafion.

 

[Fennis]

body of a 20 year old

 

[Mr. Retukes]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

 

[Fennis]

Tim's good with it becasuse polanski raped a 13 year old anally, but she looks like a 20 year old in a 12 year olds body.

 

[timschochet]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime. But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

 

[DiStefano]

It's very probably true, I also am inclined to believe her. That POS ought to be in jail, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that he was a great filmmaker.

Very Probably?

What does that mean?

Ahh, the dictionary. It's a place where you can look up words and phrases...can be helpful, very probably...

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/probably

Again I will ask

Probably or not?

Do you believe without much doubt that Woody did this? If you had to be the hangman, would you find him guilty?

http://www.hangman.no/

 

[timschochet]

Tim's good with it becasuse polanski raped a 13 year old anally, but she looks like a 20 year old in a 12 year olds body.

I'm not good with it. Please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

 

[Fennis]

Tim's good with it becasuse polanski raped a 13 year old anally, but she looks like a 20 year old in a 12 year olds body.

I'm not good with it. Please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

Dont make comments that its ok to anally rape children, because they sluts and we will all be good.

 

[McGarnicle]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime. But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

Even with all the backpedaling you're still fundamentally wrong.

 

[timschochet]

Tim's good with it becasuse polanski raped a 13 year old anally, but she looks like a 20 year old in a 12 year olds body.

I'm not good with it. Please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

Dont make comments that its ok to anally rape children, because they sluts and we will all be good.

If I had done so you would be correct to condemn me for it.

 

[timschochet]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime. But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

Even with all the backpedaling you're still fundamentally wrong.

Not a backpedal and no I'm not.

 

[DSP]

Tim's good with it becasuse polanski raped a 13 year old anally, but she looks like a 20 year old in a 12 year olds body.

One day we will get enough judges in the supreme court to make this law

One day

 

[Christo]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

wow

 

[Jobber]

Tim defending Woody Allen...I just can't put my finger on why.

 

[Christo]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

Not just a moral issue but that is part of it. Morals keep a lot of people from doing a lot of heinous things

Please, just stop.

There is nothing funny about what I said. How about you dont respond to my comments if you are going to act so childish? I was talking to tim anf smails not you

You are a real POS

 

[timschochet]

Tim defending Woody Allen...I just can't put my finger on why.

Link?

 

[timschochet]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

wow

Wow?I believe that if Woody Allen had sex with a 7 year old, he ought to spend the rest of his sorry life in prison- and if he were a younger man, a minimum of 20 years. And I would NEVER forgive him if I knew him. Polanski deserves to spend a couple of years behind bars, perhaps longer for trying to avoid it. And eventually I could forgive him. Do you really not see any moral distinction?

 

[Christo]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

wow

Wow?I believe that if Woody Allen had sex with a 7 year old, he ought to spend the rest of his sorry life in prison- and if he were a younger man, a minimum of 20 years. And I would NEVER forgive him if I knew him. Polanski deserves to spend a couple of years behind bars, perhaps longer for trying to avoid it. And eventually I could forgive him. Do you really not see any moral distinction?

No, I see no distinction between raping a 7 year old and raping a 13 year old.

 

[Jobber]

Tim defending Woody Allen...I just can't put my finger on why.

Link?

You're already there, champ.

 

[timschochet]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

wow

Wow?I believe that if Woody Allen had sex with a 7 year old, he ought to spend the rest of his sorry life in prison- and if he were a younger man, a minimum of 20 years. And I would NEVER forgive him if I knew him. Polanski deserves to spend a couple of years behind bars, perhaps longer for trying to avoid it. And eventually I could forgive him. Do you really not see any moral distinction?

No, I see no distinction between raping a 7 year old and raping a 13 year old.

If its rape, then you're correct. Do you see any difference between rape with a 7 year old and statutory rape with a 13 year old?

 

[timschochet]

Tim defending Woody Allen...I just can't put my finger on why.

Link?

You're already there, champ.

I haven't defended Woody Allen in this thread. It seems unlikely to me that this woman would lie, but I'm not sure. If Allen is guilty he's an incredible scumbag.

 

[Christo]

An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.

Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.

wow

Wow?I believe that if Woody Allen had sex with a 7 year old, he ought to spend the rest of his sorry life in prison- and if he were a younger man, a minimum of 20 years. And I would NEVER forgive him if I knew him. Polanski deserves to spend a couple of years behind bars, perhaps longer for trying to avoid it. And eventually I could forgive him. Do you really not see any moral distinction?

No, I see no distinction between raping a 7 year old and raping a 13 year old.

If its rape, then you're correct. Do you see any difference between rape with a 7 year old and statutory rape with a 13 year old?

#### off, tim. Take your #### somewhere else.