Andre Johnson vs. Mike Wallace (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Okay, I will preface this by saying I have a trade scenario involving both of them, but this is not a "who should I trade" but rather getting opinions:

Andre Johnson was the #1 WR off the board in most drafts (although I am sure calvin went in a few). His hamstring is "supposedly" healed and now he has the added strike of Leinart vs. Schaub.

Wallace Has been solid this year week in and week out, but now Big ben Broke his thumb.

At this time of year there are lots of question marks, but who would you rather have?

I feel they are almost equal in terms of questions and potential: Wallace is a big play wr with a QB who may have trouble with the longball. Johnson is recovering from a hammy with a new, somewhat underachieving QB throwing him the ball.

If it was Johnson with a healthy Schaub, the scales tip to Houston.

If it was wallace with a healthy Big Ben, the scales tip to Pitt

So what do we think here?

I think wallace may be a little more valuable than AJ, but I cnnot say that with 100% assurance.

What say the shark pool?

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'd rather have Andre Johnson and it really just comes down to a simple matter of targets. Wallace has an emerging A. Brown on the other side which could negatively impact him from week to week. Plus, I trust Houston's running game regardless of opponent. I see no reason Johnson doesn't immediately step in and resume 9-11 targets a week.

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

 

[Phenix]

I love how everyone is certain Leinart will suck. Has anyone seen him play the last 2 years?

I'll take the talnet of Andre over any WR but Calvin, no matter who the QB.

 

[Hue G]

I love how everyone is certain Leinart will suck. Has anyone seen him play the last 2 years?I'll take the talnet of Andre over any WR but Calvin, no matter who the QB.

Just traded for AJ for a bargain but I disagree, look at Fitzgerald he's got every bit of ability that AJ does and how's his year going. There's a reason we haven't seen Leinart in 2 years, hopefully he's improved but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Hue G]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

 

[griff321]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

If I remember correctly he would usually have one guy with good numbers and the other with nothing.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

No, I said "supporting cast". That also includes a much more dominant offensive line, a TE in Owen Daniels that trumps anything he ever had to work with in Arizona by a mile and even more important, Arian Foster moving the chains and being an exceptional safety valve as a receiver. That's not to say Fitzgerald isn't one of the most talented receivers in the league, just that the Texans' entire offensive system plays to Leinart's potential success.

 

[Phenix]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

If I remember correctly he would usually have one guy with good numbers and the other with nothing.

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

 

[griff321]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

If I remember correctly he would usually have one guy with good numbers and the other with nothing.

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

What I'm saying is that in the past I think that he locked in on his primary read more often than not giving the WR very good numbers. I wouldn't be shocked to see him feed AJ the ball almost exclusively. I think Leinart will be a fine fantasy QB. He may not have a ton of attempts, but he's got a good run game and line to lean on along with AJ.

 

[Gatorman]

interesting to read this and see it all be about AJ and Leinart. No thoughts on wallace and big ben's thumb? FBG has wallace rated above AJ at this moment, but I think that is simply due to AJ uncertaintly while wallace is a sure thing.

The thing is, does ben's thumb make the long ball a sure thing anymore?

 

[Grahamburn]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

If I remember correctly he would usually have one guy with good numbers and the other with nothing.

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

Larry Fitzgerald is currently WR7 in my league. He's getting it done just fine. Just for some perspective here are these two players career statistics. Keep in mind Larry Fitzgerald came into the league one year after Andre Johnson. Are you still so certain?Larry Fitzgerald - 661 receptions, 9,037 yards, 71 TDsAndre Johnson - 698 receptions, 9,516 yards, 52 TDsLeinart is going to effect Johnson in a negative way. I watched Matt play quite a bit as a Fitzgerald owner. He had ample opportunity to take over as the QB of the future for the Cardinals, and simply can't cut it as a starting QB in the NFL. The Texans are going to be even more run oriented as an offense now. Wallace is in a pass first offense and has a huge advantage in the QB department. My money would be on Wallace to have more fantasy output than Johnson down the stretch.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I haven't seen many Steelers games this year but hasn't Wallace been getting a lot of volume targets as guick slants and underneath routes recently? Ben should still be able to hit him on those and allow him to make plays.

 

[kinghill]

I haven't seen many Steelers games this year but hasn't Wallace been getting a lot of volume targets as guick slants and underneath routes recently? Ben should still be able to hit him on those and allow him to make plays.

Brown's been the most targeted WR @ PIT this year and that has increased over the past 4 gamesA.Brown 12.75 pts/gm, 10.25 targets/gmM.Wallace 11.00 pts/gm, 7.5 targets/gmStill starting Wallace with confidence of course, it's just that Brown has certainly been cutting into Wallace's production moreso lately.

 

[Hue G]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

No, I said "supporting cast". That also includes a much more dominant offensive line, a TE in Owen Daniels that trumps anything he ever had to work with in Arizona by a mile and even more important, Arian Foster moving the chains and being an exceptional safety valve as a receiver. That's not to say Fitzgerald isn't one of the most talented receivers in the league, just that the Texans' entire offensive system plays to Leinart's potential success.

Kurt Warner didn't seem to have much trouble with that supporting cast

 

[FantasyTrader]

Also, I happen to be in the minority that doesn't believe there will be a substantial dropoff from Schaub to Leinart. Leinart has plenty of shortcomings as a QB, but he's never had a supporting cast like this. He doesn't need to be Schaub - he just needs to be efficient. Part of doing that will mean a heavy dose of AJ.

I guess Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't a very good duo?

No, I said "supporting cast". That also includes a much more dominant offensive line, a TE in Owen Daniels that trumps anything he ever had to work with in Arizona by a mile and even more important, Arian Foster moving the chains and being an exceptional safety valve as a receiver. That's not to say Fitzgerald isn't one of the most talented receivers in the league, just that the Texans' entire offensive system plays to Leinart's potential success.

Kurt Warner didn't seem to have much trouble with that supporting cast

Warner is a HOF QB though. Having that level of talent forgives a lot of shortcomings in your supporting cast.

 

[Alkahsu]

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.

how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.

Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

If you think that is even remotely close to being true you must only look at the box score for games.

 

[kinghill]

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.

how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.

Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

If you think that is even remotely close to being true you must only look at the box score for games.

 

[griff321]

interesting to read this and see it all be about AJ and Leinart. No thoughts on wallace and big ben's thumb? FBG has wallace rated above AJ at this moment, but I think that is simply due to AJ uncertaintly while wallace is a sure thing.The thing is, does ben's thumb make the long ball a sure thing anymore?

To me the OPs question is like asking if I want a million dollars or a million dollars. Everyone is worried about the long ball and the fact that Brown gets a lot of underneath targets.I always felt that FBGs has been very down on Wallace since the end of last year when they strongly advised everyone to sell because he's a one trick pony. The one trick pony bit isn't true, but I do worry about his chances for a bunch of 20+ point games. I think Wallace should remain consistent with 10-20 pts a game. I expect him to remain a big part of that offense and he'll always have a bunch of plays that are scripted to get him the ball in space.

 

[xrayveggin]

before the week 11 bye, i traded Vincent Jackson, Santonio Holmes, and Brandon Jacobs for Andre, Antonio and jets D...

My thinking was that Jackson is incredibly inconsistent and Holmes has yet to break 12 points in my league... I expect Andre to get targets and be on the field the rest of the season barring some new injury - I think the Hammy was treated appropriately long with the 6 complete weeks of rest and no attempt to push the recovery ( as far as we know ). Antonio has finally started to catch all of those targets from ben that he was not getting early in the season, and both Antonio and Wallace are talented enough to turn short passes in to big scores.

To answer your question, I would say that Wallace might draw more attention and Ben favors Antonio because he usually gets the CB2 and no safety help, and the thumb is only a small knock. Andre is just a huge beast, and even if he doesn't have his elite open field speed and power, he is still elite hands, routes, and size. I say Wallace vs Andre is a push, but I'd slightly rather have Andre going forward.

 

[Phenix]

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.

how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.

Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

If you think that is even remotely close to being true you must only look at the box score for games.

i'm sorry, does something else other than the box score matter in fantasy football?keep in mind your posting in a thread about fantasy football and his output.

he makes some great catches, my point is truly great WRs can produce no matter who the Qb is.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.

how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.

Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

If you think that is even remotely close to being true you must only look at the box score for games.

i'm sorry, does something else other than the box score matter in fantasy football?keep in mind your posting in a thread about fantasy football and his output.

he makes some great catches, my point is truly great WRs can produce no matter who the Qb is.

...Its already been pointed out to you that he's top-7, right now, even with this QB situation.

 

[Alkahsu]

same ol "Leinart couldnt do it with Fitz" arguments.

how bout Fitz cant do it with Skelton, or Kolb, or Leinart, or any QB but Warner. Maybe Fitz needs someone who only puts the ball in his chest. before the fbg crusaders step in and assume i am saying Fitz sucks, i'm not, i'm just saying you guys act like it was all Leinarts fault. Leinart is not the best, but a truly great wr can adjust, like Andre. Watch.

Andre>fitz in my view. you can bring any fact or opinion, you will not convince me otherwise as i see with my own eyes that Andre has always been good no matter who the QB is. i would take andre over fitz with my grams throwin to him.

If you think that is even remotely close to being true you must only look at the box score for games.

i'm sorry, does something else other than the box score matter in fantasy football?keep in mind your posting in a thread about fantasy football and his output.

he makes some great catches, my point is truly great WRs can produce no matter who the Qb is.

If box score is all that matters then why are you talking about intangibles? Keep in mind you're the one who brought it up.

 

[Raider Nation]

Fun fact: Andre had one more reception today than Titans center Eugene Amano.