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Andrew Luck..... Love fest inside.... (1 Viewer)

Dr. Dan said:
I see what you're saying.

Luck is the third highest paid QB in the league for total contract value. Assuming no QB is signed over the next 5 years (For example: Cousins and Rodgers will likely disrupt this list big time): 

2017: 9th
2018: 4th
2019: 2nd (to Matt Stafford of all players!)
-------potential out in 2019-2020 offseason with only 6.4 mil dead cap space-----------
2020: 2nd (Stafford again)
2021: 4th (but only 6 QBs are under contract this year)
2022: FA

So yes, a team would need to take on a top 5 contract for at least 2 more seasons. He could always restructure it but he just signed this 5 year deal starting in 2017. 

I'm not sure a lot of teams have this kind of money to spend at least for this season, but I imagine Luck might be a topic of trade talk this offseason. If teams think they can get a talent like Luck (albeit expensive contract) for a reasonable price, I think many teams would love to do this. You could even see a team like New Orleans go for it assuming Brees retires this offseason. 
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Right, they'd have to take on that contract AND likely pay a pair of first round picks or something ridiculous.  Why not just sign Cousins to a similar deal next year and save the picks if you need a QB? 

 
matttyl said:
Right, they'd have to take on that contract AND likely pay a pair of first round picks or something ridiculous.  Why not just sign Cousins to a similar deal next year and save the picks if you need a QB? 
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Is Cousins older the Luck? Too lazy to look it up... Might be a factor. But yes, that is a cheaper alternative. I don't think Luck will cost a pair of first round draft picks. If he wants out that gives the leverage to the opposing team. Colts will have a guy who could hold out and refuse to play and get nothing for their investment. Given Luck's injury history I really don't think he would attract a 1st rounder... maybe... but I wouldn't be shocked if it was two 2nds or something. Even a single 1st. 

 
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Dr. Dan said:
Bull crap...

they have 20 MILLION in cap space right now. You mean they can't prorate some 8 million dollar signing bonus? 20 million is more than Andrew Luck makes this season

Aaron Rodgers and Luck have a very similar cap space for this season. But for some reason Green Bay was able to sign the best OLB on the free agent market last offseason (their own) Nick Perry. Somehow GB has talent oozing from it's offense and has the looks of a better defense this year.

Unless Luck is making 30 million, there's no way they can't sign free agents. Sure, they can't get the top guy. This quote is passing the blame onto Luck for his perceived "greedy" contract. When it's the GM himself who seems to not be able to draft and spend money wisely on priority FAs. 
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I completely agree with you.  

 
So no timeline, which is concerning. 

Who is holding on to Luck and who has cut bait and moved on to Smith, Bradford, etc.?

 
greyhorse said:
So no timeline, which is concerning. 

Who is holding on to Luck and who has cut bait and moved on to Smith, Bradford, etc.?
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I wish they would IR him so i could just cut him or IR in yahoo.  As it stands i don't want someone else to have him for weeks 10-16 

 
They took him off PUP, so he's playing by week 6. It doesn't matter their record, he's playing at some point and I'd bet on week 5. 

 
I'm about ro cut bait in my two most important redrafts. Both teams are 0-1. One has ODB and the other DJ and both have Luck. I've Smith in both leagues and Bradford is still on the WW. 

 
FGITLOTR said:
They took him off PUP, so he's playing by week 6. It doesn't matter their record, he's playing at some point and I'd bet on week 5. 
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If i told you your franchise quarterback had a 10% chance of playing by week 6, would you be willing to cut your 53rd best guy? 

 
Id rather see a known studly team chase Luck. (Currently rolling out a real veteran QB.) Id be quick too mention the Pats, but I think it be bad too worse as GB in past (No. not TB continuing, although that's possible) Giants, Chargers, Saints, and Steelers should all be researching Luck (imho) How QB Coach feels? Surgery?  Pitt may have the goods too. Bell, and perhaps a backup OLineman, not too mention a few picks if needed. Colts already swung hard n' missed on a proposed Stud RB.

But yeah, Bell is expensive, and I'm not so sure Pitt even has depth at Lineman. Not too mention, not only is Luck a guy ya build around, but Mack himself, could flourish some. I'm thinking the Colts, still would hope too add RB depth, in next yrs draft. Being honest? maybe, DaBears should talk Luck. Its possibly they could trade Trubisky, and Howard, for Luck.. Bears aint had a real QB for years (not counting Cutler) Colts would have Brissett, who I believe may be a great QB, while Trubinsky is given time too mature. A combo of Howard and Mack seems too alleviate drafting RB, because of need not talent. Big stumbling block, I'm not so sure Bears willing too just give up Howard, especially for the position, whose responsible for handing off..

Lets say Luck really would, actually like too play for a SB contender, who perhaps don't expect him too go through motions, in a meaningless game. Whats your trade thoughts?

 
On the possibility of the Colts trading Luck...he just turned 28.  QB's today are playing into their late 30's/early 40's.  So the Colts aren't going to feel compelled to move on from a known commodity because of a 'ticking clock'.

As for when he returns this year...I actually think him showing up at the Colts practice was a decent sign but it's also clear that Luck's removal from PUP had more to do with him being able to practice during that time than play.

 
Tool said:
http://cover32.com/2017/09/14/will-the-colts-trade-andrew-luck/

maybe farfetched? but something to think about. if it's a lost season, tank like they did a few years ago, get one of the top qb's in the draft and deal Luck for a ton.  Would end up in a pretty good spot if they did that...
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would they realistically be able to get "a ton" for him? he's presumably a franchise QB but he hasn't played a full season since 2014. that has to hurt his value. 

also, as we discussed above, he's got a very hefty contract. that hurts his value too. 

let's pretend he doesn't play this year. if you're a GM do you trade "a ton" for a QB who hadn't thrown in a game for 18 months, hasn't started 16 games in 3 years, and will take up about almost 20% of your salary cap? I'm not so sure. 

He might get a 1st round pick but that's probably it. if it's after the 2014 season, sure, IND would get a king's ransom

IMO he's worth more to the Colts staying on the team than he is for them to trade him, even if he is unhappy. he signed a big deal and he has zero leverage. if he didn't want to play in Indy he shouldn't have signed his deal

 
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Assuming his shoulder checks out, even if he misses this season entirely, you're kidding yourself if you think that there wouldn't be numerous teams tripping over themselves to trade more than just a single first round pick for Andrew Luck. 

 
SayWhat? said:
Assuming his shoulder checks out, even if he misses this season entirely, you're kidding yourself if you think that there wouldn't be numerous teams tripping over themselves to trade more than just a single first round pick for Andrew Luck. 
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depends on what's wrong with his shoulder. that's a huge red flag for me

if he's 100% healthy, yes he warrants more, but I'm not so sure he is. I really do think he's headed under the knife again 

 
How much did Houston pay to sign Brock Osweiler? And then they gave up a 2nd round pick just to get rid of him.

Yeah, plenty of teams would pay a multiple picks for Luck, including at least one 1st rounder.

 
Dr. Dan said:
depends on what's wrong with his shoulder. that's a huge red flag for me

if he's 100% healthy, yes he warrants more, but I'm not so sure he is. I really do think he's headed under the knife again 
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Right, which is why I said assuming his shoulder checks out.  Because of it does, not many that need a franchise QB are going to care much about his contract or how much time he's missed over the previous three years. If his shoulder does not check out, then all bets are off.going to care much about his contract or how much time he's missed over the previous three years. If his shoulder does not check out, then all bets are off.

 
His shoulder doesn't need to be one hundred percent he just needs to pass a physical. There's a lot of leeway between the two.

 
Dr. Dan said:
would they realistically be able to get "a ton" for him? he's presumably a franchise QB but he hasn't played a full season since 2014. that has to hurt his value. 

also, as we discussed above, he's got a very hefty contract. that hurts his value too. 

let's pretend he doesn't play this year. if you're a GM do you trade "a ton" for a QB who hadn't thrown in a game for 18 months, hasn't started 16 games in 3 years, and will take up about almost 20% of your salary cap? I'm not so sure. 

He might get a 1st round pick but that's probably it. if it's after the 2014 season, sure, IND would get a king's ransom

IMO he's worth more to the Colts staying on the team than he is for them to trade him, even if he is unhappy. he signed a big deal and he has zero leverage. if he didn't want to play in Indy he shouldn't have signed his deal
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If you're the Saints and Brees isn't under contract?

And your doctors clear him?

 
sho nuff said:
If you're the Saints and Brees isn't under contract?

And your doctors clear him?
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absolutely I think the saints are a great example. PIT too. 

I just don't think he's healthy... the longer they wait with him the later he returns next season if he actually does need another surgery. 

I think there is a lot of interest but if his shoulder isn't 100% I'm not so sure he gets a ton. if it is, sure then there's little reason to think he can't be a top 5 franchise qb

 
Dr. Dan said:
absolutely I think the saints are a great example. PIT too. 

I just don't think he's healthy... the longer they wait with him the later he returns next season if he actually does need another surgery. 

I think there is a lot of interest but if his shoulder isn't 100% I'm not so sure he gets a ton. if it is, sure then there's little reason to think he can't be a top 5 franchise qb
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The Saints are also a great example of the last time a franchise QB came at a discounted cost because people worried his shoulder was so jacked up he'd never be the same again.  That's how they got Brees in the first place.

 
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Dr. Dan said:
would they realistically be able to get "a ton" for him? he's presumably a franchise QB but he hasn't played a full season since 2014. that has to hurt his value. 

also, as we discussed above, he's got a very hefty contract. that hurts his value too. 

let's pretend he doesn't play this year. if you're a GM do you trade "a ton" for a QB who hadn't thrown in a game for 18 months, hasn't started 16 games in 3 years, and will take up about almost 20% of your salary cap? I'm not so sure. 

He might get a 1st round pick but that's probably it. if it's after the 2014 season, sure, IND would get a king's ransom

IMO he's worth more to the Colts staying on the team than he is for them to trade him, even if he is unhappy. he signed a big deal and he has zero leverage. if he didn't want to play in Indy he shouldn't have signed his deal
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Yes they would get a king's ransom for him. Look around the league. You have garbage QBs like Dalton getting $96M contracts. Even Osweiler is somehow getting paid $16M this year to do nothing. Any QB with Luck's skill is priceless. There would be at least 5 teams that would gladly take on his contract and give up every pick for the rest of this decade just to get him. 

 
TwinTurbo said:
Yes they would get a king's ransom for him. Look around the league. You have garbage QBs like Dalton getting $96M contracts. Even Osweiler is somehow getting paid $16M this year to do nothing. Any QB with Luck's skill is priceless. There would be at least 5 teams that would gladly take on his contract and give up every pick for the rest of this decade just to get him. 
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yes, valid point. his contract isn't as much as a negative. a team like NO or PIT already paying their QB a lot, and if those guys retire they'd have the room and talent around him for him to succeed. 

these teams would be more desperate/willing to pay more to win now and not have a massive rebuild. rookies are unpredictable and you kind of know what you get with luck... if his shoulder is fine. I guess I'd amend my previous expectation if what he would cost

 
I doubt he goes anywhere. I had labrum/cuff surgery from a bad accident (lift a lot too) and it was considerably harder and a little longer to recover from than a standard rotator cuff surgery. That said, five years later it's bullet proof. So much that I'm hoping the other side starts hurting. 

 
Slider said:
I doubt he goes anywhere. I had labrum/cuff surgery from a bad accident (lift a lot too) and it was considerably harder and a little longer to recover from than a standard rotator cuff surgery. That said, five years later it's bullet proof. So much that I'm hoping the other side starts hurting. 
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Let's hope it doesn't take 5 years to recover.

Back to to the fantasy aspect. I am surprised that he seems to be available on many league wires.  People just flat out dropped him?  Plenty of QB needy teams would be more than happy to stash him and wait for a hopeful return.  

 
greyhorse  I can't say for others, anymore than you. But, I'd suspect the combination of reinjure n' rust, could play a role. Difference being Doc says Okay, and guy feels/looks okay. Talk of pressure too play, for no reason last yr,(Coaching?) could also play a role.

I sound bias, Yes, because I sorta have faith in the current QB.. (IF it aint broke don't fix it) A re-injury could be bad for business too.. It be nice if its the Fans decided. I mean if they just want a big name QB? The backup should have much value by then.

 
I feel bad for Indy fans. The organization knows exactly what is going on and they have refused to give any semblance of honest info to the fanbase. What a mess that front office is/has been and I wouldn't blame Luck if he did want out.

 
I really think he sits out the year, especially if they are 0-4 or 0-5 when they start talking about him coming back.  I think they weigh their playoff options and decide to tank again in the QB rich draft.  Then move that pick to try to fill some of their huge holes on the rest of the team.

 
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(RotoWire) Luck (shoulder) has been ruled out for Sunday's matchup with the Browns, Zak Keefer of The Indianapolis Star reports.

Analysis: On Sunday morning, FOX's Jay Glazer relayed that Luck remains behind schedule and will miss 3-4 more weeks, so head coach Chuck Pagano's announcement Monday was expected. Because he's unable to make all the throws he must make before taking part in practice, Luck will yield quarterback duties to Jacoby Brissett for the time being.

 
I have to think Luck will return to practice imminently...

While the Colts do appear to have bungled this situation entirely, can they be soooo bad at PR that they would allow Luck to wander onto the sidelines at practice, after having been shletered from public view for the better part of the last two months, without understanding what type of frenzy that might cause?  It's not like they've received 'a pass'.

I mean it's possible they are that bad, but even Luck himself seems media savvy enough to know better.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I have to think Luck will return to practice imminently...

While the Colts do appear to have bungled this situation entirely, can they be soooo bad at PR that they would allow Luck to wander onto the sidelines at practice, after having been shletered from public view for the better part of the last two months, without understanding what type of frenzy that might cause?  It's not like they've received 'a pass'.

I mean it's possible they are that bad, but even Luck himself seems media savvy enough to know better.
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I agree. Him being seen on the sidelines has to mean he's practicing soon.  

 
I'm happy that we now have at least some sort of timeline, although it would be nice to hear it from more sources as well.

Some of us need some major Luck to turn our seasons around!

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I have to think Luck will return to practice imminently...

While the Colts do appear to have bungled this situation entirely, can they be soooo bad at PR that they would allow Luck to wander onto the sidelines at practice, after having been shletered from public view for the better part of the last two months, without understanding what type of frenzy that might cause?  It's not like they've received 'a pass'.

I mean it's possible they are that bad, but even Luck himself seems media savvy enough to know better.
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Interesting in that from a PR perspective, the Colts are (and have been) taking major hits.  Their lack of foresight in getting a viable back-up was risky.  That said, Brissett looks like a keeper, and at 1-2, the Colts have life.

The caution with which IND proceeded with, seemed to be a course of action eschewed by CAR.  And it's clear, they might have benefitted from the same thought process, especially since they have a back-up they have confidence in.

 
Not practicing this week.  Possibly will return next week.

So now what are we looking at Week 7? 

Just added him off waivers in a 12 team short bench league (4 bench spots)

 
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