Andrew Luck or Landry Jones/Barkley + a bunch of picks (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Simple question as a Dolphin fan or any fan of a team that will likely go 1-15 or 0-16 and have the chance to take Andrew Luck.

Do you take Luck, or Trade down and get a fortune of picks and still get a Good/Great QB? Landry Jones and Barkley are definitely steps below Luck, but if you lump them with this years' class they are worse than Luck and Cam, but likely better prospects than Dalton, Ponder, and Gabbert. With this being said, A team with multiple holes to fill (like Miami, indy etc) are you better off getting one player who is A++ or getting 3, or 4 players that can help your team.

Likely trade value for top pick is a 1 and a 2 in 2012 and multiple picks in 2013 (1 and a 2 or 3)

While the chargers did not win a SB, they definitely had the better deal in the Eli trade a few years ago.

What say you?

(For the record, if Miami has the first pick and doesn't take luck, I think the fans burn down the stadium, but we have been starved for a QB since MArino left)

 

[bigmarc27]

With the cost of signing the #1 overall pick more "reasonably" these days than a few years back, you go with Luck.

 

[uwgb96]

With the cost of signing the #1 overall pick more "reasonably" these days than a few years back, you go with Luck.

On the flip side, with the pick being more "reasonably" priced, the haul you could get in return is increased as well. IMO, it was almost impossible to trade the first pick in the draft due to the high cost associated with it.

 

[EBF]

Not worth it, IMO. The problem is that Barkley/Jones/etc are too likely to become Henne/Orton/Grossman level QBs. Luck is just a much safer bet to become a winning NFL starter. That's immensely valuable, especially since the QB position is so important.

I think it could be worth if you were looking at position like MLB, OG, or RB, where you can generally plug-and-play with decent results, but it's just not worth the gamble when you have a surefire franchise QB staring you in the face.

 

[Joe Summer]

I think the downgrade from Luck to Barkley/Jones/etc. is too great to trade the pick.

 

[th3f00l]

The only team I could see doing this us indy, if the plan on using manning a few more years.

Eta: I think it is unlikely though.

 

[golfguy]

The only team I could see doing this us indy, if the plan on using manning a few more years.Eta: I think it is unlikely though.

I'd do it. i don't see anything special about luck. he doesn't seem to have much zip on the ball from what i've seen. there is no such thing as "can't miss" see david carr, tim couch, alex smith over rodgers, the list goes on and on. and let's remember the ryan leaf/peyton manning pick as a lot closer then people went to say it was.

 

[Joe Summer]

I'd do it. i don't see anything special about luck. he doesn't seem to have much zip on the ball from what i've seen. there is no such thing as "can't miss" see david carr, tim couch, alex smith over rodgers, the list goes on and on. and let's remember the ryan leaf/peyton manning pick as a lot closer then people went to say it was.

I agree to a certain extent, but guys like Carr/Couch/Smith weren't unanimously labeled "once in a generation" quarterbacks. For them, it was more like "best quarterback available this year".When was the last time a quarterback was hyped as much as Luck? Peyton Manning? Elway?

 

[EBF]

Luck's best qualities aren't going to stand out in a highlight reel, so if you haven't watched him play a handful of games then I could understand why you wouldn't buy the hype. As an athlete, there are many quarterbacks in Luck's class. He's not any more physically talented than the likes of Losman, Boller, Russell, or Locker. What sets him apart is all between the ears.

He has the "it factor" and the elite football IQ. Hence why people make the Manning comparison.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'd do it. i don't see anything special about luck. he doesn't seem to have much zip on the ball from what i've seen. there is no such thing as "can't miss" see david carr, tim couch, alex smith over rodgers, the list goes on and on. and let's remember the ryan leaf/peyton manning pick as a lot closer then people went to say it was.

I agree to a certain extent, but guys like Carr/Couch/Smith weren't unanimously labeled "once in a generation" quarterbacks. For them, it was more like "best quarterback available this year".When was the last time a quarterback was hyped as much as Luck? Peyton Manning? Elway?

Peyton and Leaf.Those were the 2 biggest QB prospects I can remember (a bit too young for Elway draft).Peyton is the FAR more accurate comparison to Luck, though.Great leader, impeccable character, strong football family, etc.

 

[Gatorman]

look at the eli and rivers deal. While the giants did win a superbowl, the chargers got a lot better with their picks, and the teams we are talking about have multiple holes to fill...

 

[The Comedian]

If you think Luck is a lock to be a franchise QB, you take him. Nothing is more valuable than that.

 

[Hendo]

Luck, and I wouldn't think twice about it. EBF stated everything perfectly.

 

[Bri]

I'd do it. i don't see anything special about luck. he doesn't seem to have much zip on the ball from what i've seen. there is no such thing as "can't miss" see david carr, tim couch, alex smith over rodgers, the list goes on and on. and let's remember the ryan leaf/peyton manning pick as a lot closer then people went to say it was.

I agree to a certain extent, but guys like Carr/Couch/Smith weren't unanimously labeled "once in a generation" quarterbacks. For them, it was more like "best quarterback available this year".When was the last time a quarterback was hyped as much as Luck? Peyton Manning? Elway?

Peyton and Leaf.Those were the 2 biggest QB prospects I can remember (a bit too young for Elway draft).Peyton is the FAR more accurate comparison to Luck, though.Great leader, impeccable character, strong football family, etc.

Living in Oklahoma, it's possible I'm wrong here with hometown press(es) and all, but I'd say Bradford as the last one.While whether that's true or not might be irrelevant, I think there's something to it. I can see a considerable difference between Bradford and Jones at OU. He's definitely a step down IMO. Maybe this is a discussion point here if Bradford and Luck are comparable.

 

[FUBAR]

If you could go back to 1998 and offer the Colts a package for Peyton, what do you think they would need knowing how he turned out? Obviously we don't know how Luck will pan out, but the potential to look stupid by trading him away is high. If he "pulls an Eli / Elway", then it's a different set of circumstances but if a team has the top pick, needs a QB, and Luck is happy to play there, you can't trade the pick for anything short of a King's ransom - certainly more than two 1sts.

 

[bushdocda]

Is the Luck love fest going to turn critical after the season?

No such thing as a sure thing.

 

[cheese]

Simple question as a Dolphin fan or any fan of a team that will likely go 1-15 or 0-16 and have the chance to take Andrew Luck.

Do you take Luck, or Trade down and get a fortune of picks and still get a Good/Great QB? Landry Jones and Barkley are definitely steps below Luck, but if you lump them with this years' class they are worse than Luck and Cam, but likely better prospects than Dalton, Ponder, and Gabbert. With this being said, A team with multiple holes to fill (like Miami, indy etc) are you better off getting one player who is A++ or getting 3, or 4 players that can help your team.

Likely trade value for top pick is a 1 and a 2 in 2012 and multiple picks in 2013 (1 and a 2 or 3)

While the chargers did not win a SB, they definitely had the better deal in the Eli trade a few years ago.

What say you?

(For the record, if Miami has the first pick and doesn't take luck, I think the fans burn down the stadium, but we have been starved for a QB since MArino left)

There is no such thing as a bad trade that wins you a super bowl. That is the whole reason for doing anything at all in the NFL.Anyway, I would probably stick with Luck. Look at the value that has been traded for QB's half as good. (Kolb,Cutler,Palmer) Based on that, it would take something like 3 additional 1sts for me to move from Luck to Barkley. In other words, I would consider it, but probably at an unreasonable price.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

In today's NFL, if you don't get the QB position right, it doesn't matter if you get the rest of it right.

Take Luck and build from there.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Actually you are one of the teams likely to have to decide on tradeing a bunch of picks to try to get Luck. So instead of thinking about possibly getting a bunch of extra picks, maybe you think about loseing a bunch of your own picks.

 

[Dizzy]

Simple question as a Dolphin fan or any fan of a team that will likely go 1-15 or 0-16 and have the chance to take Andrew Luck.

Do you take Luck, or Trade down and get a fortune of picks and still get a Good/Great QB? Landry Jones and Barkley are definitely steps below Luck, but if you lump them with this years' class they are worse than Luck and Cam, but likely better prospects than Dalton, Ponder, and Gabbert. With this being said, A team with multiple holes to fill (like Miami, indy etc) are you better off getting one player who is A++ or getting 3, or 4 players that can help your team.

Likely trade value for top pick is a 1 and a 2 in 2012 and multiple picks in 2013 (1 and a 2 or 3)

While the chargers did not win a SB, they definitely had the better deal in the Eli trade a few years ago.

What say you?

(For the record, if Miami has the first pick and doesn't take luck, I think the fans burn down the stadium, but we have been starved for a QB since MArino left)

Not so sure the Dolphins would have a choice. There have already been "rumblings" that Luck will pull an Eli/Elway and try to dictate who he would (or would not) play for.___________________________________________________

Alex Marvez, Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com, brought his "A" game once again on the show this morning, and was brutally honest in talking about the state of the Miami Dolphins. Marvez went as far as to say that even if the Dolphins drafted Stanford star quarterback Andrew Luck, there's a strong chance he wouldn't play for them.

The video interview from this story/link is no longer available.

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Also, regarding the Chargers getting the better end of anything... as one Poster mentioned, the NYG did win a ring, and so did the NOS with ejected Chargers QB - Drew Brees.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Also, regarding the Chargers getting the better end of anything... as one Poster mentioned, the NYG did win a ring, and so did the NOS with ejected Chargers QB - Drew Brees.

If you were Luck, where would you want to play if you had the choice?I mean, only the top 10 or so teams have a shot, right? I know he said he'd like to play closer to where his parents are, so that would be the Redskins.Otherwise I think you're looking at Arizona (highly unlikely given Kolb), Seattle, or Denver.I wouldn't want to play for John Fox if I were him.

 

[jonboltz]

Simple question as a Dolphin fan or any fan of a team that will likely go 1-15 or 0-16 and have the chance to take Andrew Luck.

Do you take Luck, or Trade down and get a fortune of picks and still get a Good/Great QB? Landry Jones and Barkley are definitely steps below Luck, but if you lump them with this years' class they are worse than Luck and Cam, but likely better prospects than Dalton, Ponder, and Gabbert. With this being said, A team with multiple holes to fill (like Miami, indy etc) are you better off getting one player who is A++ or getting 3, or 4 players that can help your team.

Likely trade value for top pick is a 1 and a 2 in 2012 and multiple picks in 2013 (1 and a 2 or 3)

While the chargers did not win a SB, they definitely had the better deal in the Eli trade a few years ago.

What say you?

(For the record, if Miami has the first pick and doesn't take luck, I think the fans burn down the stadium, but we have been starved for a QB since MArino left)

Not so sure the Dolphins would have a choice. There have already been "rumblings" that Luck will pull an Eli/Elway and try to dictate who he would (or would not) play for.___________________________________________________

Alex Marvez, Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com, brought his "A" game once again on the show this morning, and was brutally honest in talking about the state of the Miami Dolphins. Marvez went as far as to say that even if the Dolphins drafted Stanford star quarterback Andrew Luck, there's a strong chance he wouldn't play for them.

The video interview from this story/link is no longer available.

_________________________________________________

Also, regarding the Chargers getting the better end of anything... as one Poster mentioned, the NYG did win a ring, and so did the NOS with ejected Chargers QB - Drew Brees.

Fins hiring Cowher or Gruden would make his refusal to play in Miami go away.

 

[Spike]

In today's NFL, if you don't get the QB position right, it doesn't matter if you get the rest of it right.Take Luck and build from there.

 

[dontknowaboutme]

I am far from an NFL scout, but having watched many of OU's games, I would be highly surprised if Landry Jones found success in the NFL.

 

[JFurby]

I am far from an NFL scout, but having watched many of OU's games, I would be highly surprised if Landry Jones found success in the NFL.

I couldn't agree more and would be pissed if the dolphins end up selecting Jones. Jones is a one-read wonder destined to be the next Delhomme, Derrick Anderson, or Henne.Watch an OU game and it is common to see the offense quickly get in formation and then all skills players look at the sideline for play adjustments from the coach, something not that uncommon in college football. Then contrast that with a Stanford game where the presnap reads and adjustments are made by Luck. Hell, I'd rather have Kellen Moore than Jones for the superior defense recognition skills. I haven't seen Barkley play enough to make any judgements.