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Andy D's 2017 Mock Draft Thread - 4/17 One last "Oh, okay.What the heck..." mock (1 Viewer)

By the way, on a more serious note. The said team from LA which used to be in St. Louis lost to my Panthers. Does the head to head matter in determining the order or SOS? Also, does it then flip flop in the following rounds.

Found my answer:

Draft Order:

  • Determination of Draft order for the 32 NFL teams is based on the record and playoff finish by each team in that year.
  • For the teams that did not make the playoffs, order is determined by overall season record, with the worst record picking first.
  • For the teams that made the playoffs, the rest of the picks are ordered by playoff record, with the teams that lose getting lower picks based on which round they were ousted and the Super Bowl winner getting the last pick.
  • For the playoff teams that got eliminated in the same round, their order is determined by regular season record.
  • Overall ties are then broken by strength of schedule, which is a calculation of the combined record of all of a team's opponents in that year, with divisional opponents counting twice.
  • The next tie breaker would be record against conference opponents and then divisional opponents.
  • Coin flip will occur if tie still exists
  • After the first round, the order is determined by revolving the teams with the same records, with the team that just picked first of the group picking last in the next round.
  • If there is an expansion team, that team will pick first, and if there are two expansion teams, they will flip a coin with one team getting the first pick in the draft and the other in the expansion draft of current players.


SOS is used to break a tie, but if you have the same record then Carolina would pick 2nd to the team that went from St. Louis to LA, completely avoiding the Nashville area in the move and then Carolina would pick before the Tennessee Rams in the 2nd round and so on.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
7. Tennessee - Jamal Adams,  Safety LSU

I get the feeling that this team might actually be turning the corner. Their defense is good but could improve against the pass. Adams has drawn Polamalu comparisons. 

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Haven't seen one second of this kid play, but the write ups from draft Twitter are insane.  Kid is getting hyped.

 
massraider said:
Haven't seen one second of this kid play, but the write ups from draft Twitter are insane.  Kid is getting hyped.
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Yeah, I am interested in the safeties. I have seen mocks with Adams going later than Hooker from OSU (still has to declare, but I've seen as high as top 10).

Now that Carolina's season is in the toilet, I am planning to watch a bit more college especially the games with guys who seem to be thrown around the top 10. The way this draft is going, I could see Hooker, McGlinchey (I am 99% sure he will declare as it's a weak OT class and he'd likely jump to the top) or the top CB. I have seen so many different CBs in the 1st, I really don't know who is the best. DE is also a huge need, but I don't think Barnett has the size for 4-3 DE to go this early.

ETA: I missed that Fournette hadn't gone yet. Hmm, I really like Cook and Fournette scares me a little with some of his games where he's gotten held to so little. Stewart has been pretty mediocre this year and hasn't looked as good as last year, but heck the whole teams been worse and the OL has been decimated by injuries. We are now onto our 4th C (practice squad guy), 3rd RT, 2nd RG and 2nd LT. The only guy who's played his same spot and was the intended starter is LG Norwell. Even Turner is now set to play RG because the other guy is a better G than T. All that said, Stewart being gone would save $5M in 2017 and improve the position. Honestly, with the way this has shaken out, RB might be the position. I think 2.7 should still have some good DEs/Ss/CBs as this draft is pretty good in the DB and DE area. It's also deep at RB, so who knows.

 
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8. Carolina - Cam Robinson, OT Alabama

Remmers is a free agent and Oher has flat stunk for some time now. I don't care how big and tough Cam Newton is he needs better protection.

Robinson gets better week after week, which I always see as a good indicator of success.

IMO - Cook goes before Fournette and the latter is in for a slide due to his foot injuries. 

Corner would be an option but what did people expect to happen when you start two rookies?

 
Andy Dufresne said:
8. Carolina - Cam Robinson, OT Alabama

Remmers is a free agent and Oher has flat stunk for some time now. I don't care how big and tough Cam Newton is he needs better protection.

Robinson gets better week after week, which I always see as a good indicator of success.

IMO - Cook goes before Fournette and the latter is in for a slide due to his foot injuries. 

Corner would be an option but what did people expect to happen when you start two rookies?
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Better than McGlinchey or are you assuming he won't declare? Don't get me wrong. I think there are two OTs in this draft that are worthwhile. This might be early for Robinson, but we need a LT, period. An upgrade there over Oher (who knows if he even comes back at this point), would make it a solid OL when healthy. Daryl Williams made big strides this year at RT and Norwell, Kalil and Turner is a solid inside when healthy. Sucks that we had a solid backup in Gradkowski and he's gotten hurt every time he came in for Kalil and both are now on IR.

I honestly don't want a corner in the 1st. An upgrade at Safety would improve our secondary far more as Bradberry has played very well and Worley has been decent. Next year, they should both be better and I think Bradberry will end up being a top CB. Also, CB seems deep enough that there could be a 1st rounder falling to the early 2nd.

 
9. Arizona - Quincy Wilson, CB Florida

The corner spot has given the Cards all kinds of problems this year.

It will be interesting to see in what order the corners come off the board but more than one spot is talking about Wilson .

 
Andy Dufresne said:
9. Arizona - Quincy Wilson, CB Florida

The corner spot has given the Cards all kinds of problems this year.

It will be interesting to see in what order the corners come off the board but more than one spot is talking about Wilson .
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I agree, it will be interesting. I know on PFF's top 25 CB list, only Bradberry is a rookie on the list, so have the rest of the rookies in the 1st/2nd played well? Sometimes you wonder if the play of the previous year's group has an impact on whether or not this year's group slides a bit. There were a lot of corners taken last year (5 in the 1st, 5 in the 2nd and 5 in the 3rd, heck even 5 more in the 4th). Almost 1 of every 6 players drafted in the first 4 rounds was a CB. Even more than DTs and they were considered ridiculously stacked.

I like walterfootball.com with their prospects and mocks. They keep them updated pretty well and have nice write ups. It's really good close to the draft as it keeps prospect visits and all the pro-day info. Anyway, their two mocks have 7 CBs going in the 1st round and it's not the same 7, I think 6 are the same. That also includes having Hooker/McGlinchey in the draft, so CB appears to be the strongest position this year in the 1st round.

 
Guess I better speed this up...

10. Indianapolis - Rueben Foster, LB Alabama

11. Green Bay - Dalvin Cook, RB FSU

12. San Diego - Mike Williams, WR Clemson

Cook would look good in Indy but their defense stinks. GB's RB corps needs a reboot as does SDs WRs.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Guess I better speed this up...

10. Indianapolis - Rueben Foster, LB Alabama

11. Green Bay - Dalvin Cook, RB FSU

12. San Diego - Mike Williams, WR Clemson

Cook would look good in Indy but their defense stinks. GB's RB corps needs a reboot as does SDs WRs.
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I disagree with the Green Bay pick, unless they let Lacy walk, which is possible. If they let Lacy walk then there is a good chance they will likely go RB. If not I can't see them signing Lacy to a 3-4 year deal (more likely a 1-2 yr given his injury has lowered his offseason value) and then taking a RB within the top half of the 1st round. That's a lot of commitment to 1 position that a year ago wasn't a problem

I honestly see GB going more LB, CB, or even OL (Lang may walk) round 1... 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
About all Lacy can do is walk. About 2.8 yards at a time.
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He averaged 5.1 ypc before he got hurt this year. On pace to come pretty close to his rookie year stats (1152 yards); having arguably his best season ever in the NFL

He is ranked 10th in Green Bay Packer Rushing History (only 3.3 seasons)

He is 4th in YPC amongst the top 10 GB rushers of all time 

Had he played this entire season, even if he had a crappy year at 700 rushing yards, he would be top 5 all time in rushing yards

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/career-rushing.htm

But yeah... 2.8 sounds about right

 
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I like it.  Cook is a special player.  He's going to be lethal in the NFL.  He would have a Zeke effect on that GB offense.

 
FWIW, this mock has the Pack taking a RB as well but he isn't the first RB taken.

This also projects how they feel teams will finish the season rather than how the draft currently stacks up.

Oh, and they also have Kizer falling out of the first round.

Check it out for comparison's sake.

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php?d=wfojns#/.WEBjgvumcJQ.twitter

 1: EDGE MYLES GARRETT  - / CLEVELAND BROWNS
 2: QB MITCH TRUBISKY  - / SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
 3: QB BRAD KAAYA  - / CHICAGO BEARS
 4: CB QUINCY WILSON  - / JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
 5: EDGE TAKKARIST MCKINLEY  - / NEW YORK JETS
 6: S MALIK HOOKER  - / CINCINNATI BENGALS
 7: CB JALEN TABOR  - / TENNESSEE TITANS
 8: QB DESHAUN WATSON  - / ARIZONA CARDINALS
 9: OT CAM ROBINSON  - / CAROLINA PANTHERS
10: S JAMAL ADAMS  - / CLEVELAND BROWNS
11: S JABRILL PEPPERS  - / SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
12: RB CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY  - / GREEN BAY PACKERS
13: RB LEONARD FOURNETTE  - / INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
14: RB DALVIN COOK  - / NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
15: WR MIKE WILLIAMS  - / BUFFALO BILLS
16: OT RYAN RAMCZYK  - / TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
17: DL JONATHAN ALLEN  - / TENNESSEE TITANS
18: WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER  - / BALTIMORE RAVENS
19: CB MARSHON LATTIMORE  - / PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
20: LB REUBEN FOSTER  - / MIAMI DOLPHINS
21: EDGE TIM WILLIAMS  - / PITTSBURGH STEELERS
22: DL MALIK MCDOWELL  - / WASHINGTON REDSKINS
23: TE BUCKY HODGES  - / HOUSTON TEXANS
24: CB TRE'DAVIOUS WHITE  - / DETROIT LIONS
25: EDGE DEREK BARNETT  - / ATLANTA FALCONS
26: TE O.J. HOWARD  - / DENVER BRONCOS
27: G DAN FEENEY  - / SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
28: WR COREY DAVIS  - / KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
29: RB ALVIN KAMARA  - / NEW YORK GIANTS
30: EDGE CARL LAWSON  - / NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
31: CB SIDNEY JONES  - / OAKLAND RAIDERS
32: CB GAREON CONLEY  - / DALLAS COWBOYS

 
The point is that Lacy can't stay healthy because he can't stay in shape.

If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. But she didn't, so she wasn't.

What was that stat the other night?...GB's backs hadn't scored a rushing TD in a year or so.

Very unlikely they bring Lacy back.

 
Damn, that really is a dream for Browns fans. Getting a first round CB in the 3rd, a rising 2nd round DE in the 4th. Also, somehow getting Jamal Adams at 10 when they won't likely draft there.

That draft needs some work. They have the order wrong (AZ behind Carolina) and Cleveland doesn't have the 10th pick. That said, I kind of like their picks for Carolina even though they screwed us out of a spot and they put some compensatory estimates in there. ;)  I do think we may have the first 3rd round compensatory pick. They have Malik Jackson, who signed a 1 year longer deal (still $15M per) than Norman, but performance wise, Norman should get enough of an edge to get over him. The secret sauce is unknown, so I could be wrong.


9: R1P9
 


OT CAM ROBINSON
ALABAMA :D




41: R2P9
 


S JUSTIN EVANS
TEXAS A&M :)




73: R3P9

CB CORDREA TANKERSLEY
CLEMSON




99: R3P35
 


RB SAMAJE PERINE
OKLAHOMA :)




112: R4P9
 


EDGE DAESHON HALL
TEXAS A&M :)




151: R5P9
 


WR MALACHI DUPRE
LSU :D




188: R6P9
 


DL ISAAC ROCHELL
NOTRE DAME




231: R7P13
 


TE GERALD EVERETT
SOUTH ALABAMA :)




251: R7P33
 


QB TREVOR KNIGHT
TEXAS A&M


 
13. New Orleans - Derek Barnett, DE Tennessee

14. Cleveland (from Philly) - Adoree' Jackson, SAK USC

15. Tennessee - Desmond King, CB Iowa

Saints need someone to get to the QB.

Jackson must be blowing up the sabermetric gauge in Cleveland.

King is just a solid, solid cornerback.

 
16. Buffalo - Malik McDowell, DT Michigan St

17. Philadelphia - Corey Davis, WR Western Michigan

18. Pittsburgh - Zach Cunningham, LB Vanderbilt 

 
Bracie Smathers said:
12: RB CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY  - / GREEN BAY PACKERS
13: RB LEONARD FOURNETTE  - / INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
14: RB DALVIN COOK  - / NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
 
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This would be hilarious if it happened IRL. All three of those teams are bottom of the barrel in terms of defense and already have good to great offenses.

 
19. Tampa Bay - John Ross, WR Washington

20. Denver - O.J. Howard, TE Alabama

21. Baltimore - Tim Williams, OLB Alabama

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
The point is that Lacy can't stay healthy because he can't stay in shape.

If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. But she didn't, so she wasn't.

What was that stat the other night?...GB's backs hadn't scored a rushing TD in a year or so.

Very unlikely they bring Lacy back.
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I disagree. In 4 seasons in the NFL he has played 15, 16, 15, 5 games

Le'Veon Bell was drafted in the same year and he's played 13, 16, 6, 8. For some reason no one is saying anything about his durability? 
Giovani Benard also drafted 2013: 16, 13, 16, 10
Other RBs drafted 2013 aren't worth mentioning

Yes, Lacy had a weight issue, last season. This year he was reportedly trimmed down and actually looked like it too. 

I think it makes the most sense for GB to resign him. He isn't going to get a big pay day that he was hoping for because he was hurt. He will sign a 1-2 year deal with GB (as they have typically done in the past in these same scenarios- see BJ Raji) and will hope to cash in. GB can't afford to start over at RB, they have way too many other needs at Defense and even on the OL if they let Lang walk

 
Lacy was trimmed down at the beginning of the year but got progressively heavier as the season went on. That simply shouldn't happen.

He's just not the player he was as a rookie.

 
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Grahamburn said:
I like it.  Cook is a special player.  He's going to be lethal in the NFL.  He would have a Zeke effect on that GB offense.
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I agree.  As bad as their defense is I'd love to see Cook in GB.  This would add a running/receiving weapon out of the backfield that Rodgers has never had.  Reminds me of a young Shady McCoy. 

 
Thanks Andy for doing a early mock. I always enjoy reading your opinions. As a Raider fan for the first time in a long time I haven't started to even think about the draft this year. In the past 12+ years I would start looking forward to the draft by the end of October.

Here are some of the their biggest needs in my opinion.

1. MLB - The Raiders went into the season with a couple of unproven MLB's in Heeney and James and it didn't pan out so well. When Heeney went to IR they brought in Riley who actually helped to stabilize the position for this season but the Raiders will be looking for a long term solution for the MLB position.

2. Safety - The Raiders found a good one in Karl Joseph, however they need to find and upgrade at the other safety position. Reggie Nelson is a stop gap player that is getting long in the tooth.

3. DT - The Raiders defensive tackle play hasn't been very good this season. The Raiders need a playmaker there who can disrupt the middle in both the run and pass. Having a playmaker at DT would help to free up Mack and Irvin and as good as they are already especially Mack he would be a force to reckon with if the Raiders received good play from the DT position.

4. OT - Penn has been playing out of this world this season keeping Carr clean in the pocket. Howard has been meh. The Raiders could use an upgrade at the RT position preferably drafting someone who can play RT and then switch over to LT in a year or two when Penns play starts to fall off.

5. RB - Latavius Murray is a free agent at the end of the season and I don't know what kind of money Murray will be looking for. The Raiders do have a pair of young RB's in Richard and Washington and a good FB in Olawale. However if the Raiders do move on from Murray they could use a big bruising back who can get the tough yards.

6. CB - Amerson has been very good since he was picked up of Waivers after the Redskins let him go. Smith has been decent on the other side of Amerson but what the Raiders could really use is a solid slot CB.

 
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8. Carolina - Cam Robinson, OT Alabama

Remmers is a free agent and Oher has flat stunk for some time now. I don't care how big and tough Cam Newton is he needs better protection.

Robinson gets better week after week, which I always see as a good indicator of success.

IMO - Cook goes before Fournette and the latter is in for a slide due to his foot injuries. 

Corner would be an option but what did people expect to happen when you start two rookies?
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Love the cam pick.  So does cam, and cam. 

Andy Dufresne said:
7. Tennessee - Jamal Adams,  Safety LSU

I get the feeling that this team might actually be turning the corner. Their defense is good but could improve against the pass. Adams has drawn Polamalu comparisons. 

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I wouldn't complain but was leaning Wilson.  Corner is a need and I think they're similar in talent. 

Andy Dufresne said:
13. New Orleans - Derek Barnett, DE Tennessee

14. Cleveland (from Philly) - Adoree' Jackson, SAK USC

15. Tennessee - Desmond King, CB Iowa

Saints need someone to get to the QB.

Jackson must be blowing up the sabermetric gauge in Cleveland.

King is just a solid, solid cornerback.
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Don't know much about king but if he's bpa, the Titans defense should be majorly improved.  Was kind of hoping for Mike Williams or another receiver (corner plus receiver instead of safety) but good receivers can be had later, or in fa.

Oh, and thanks again for starting this thread and discussion.  Love this part of the football season. 

 
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I don't think the Steelers will be drafting at 18 nor that Tim Williams will be there at 18, but in that scenario I am almost certain they'd take him. I don't see them going ILB in the first with Shazier playing well and Vince Williams signed long term to replace Timmons. They need pass rush desperately NOW and with Harrison likely to retire and both Jarvis Jones and Arthur Moats unlikely to return, that leaves them with unproven Bud Dupree and Anthony Chickillo at OLB. They're going to go to that well early and often in this draft. 

 
22. Houston - Dan Feeney, OG Indiana

23. Washington - Leonard Fournette, RB LSU

24. Miami - Carl Lawson, DE Auburn

Feeney is a two time, first team All American.

I know that is late for Courgette but that ankle injury has to be at least a little concerning for teams.

As Lawson has gotten healthier he's shown why people were excited about him.

 
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19. Tampa Bay - John Ross, WR Washington

20. Denver - O.J. Howard, TE Alabama

21. Baltimore - Tim Williams, OLB Alabama
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I don't think Broncos take a TE in the first round.  Derby has shown lots of promise, thanks New England!, and will probably push TE down the needs list.  Dan Feeney would be a better selection IMO.

 
I would also be surprised if Tampa doesn't select a WR in the first couple rounds.  Jackson is gone after this year and the cupboard is bare after Evans.  I don't think they will add in free agency as Evans is going to need to be paid like a top 5 WR after next season.  Ross would compliment him well.

 
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I don't think Broncos take a TE in the first round.  Derby has shown lots of promise, thanks New England!, and will probably push TE down the needs list.  Dan Feeney would be a better selection IMO.
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Derby is just better than Virgil Green. Overall he's just serviceable though.

 
Jabril peppers is the most overrated player almost ever. Anyone taking him top 5 should have their hesx examined. Too small for lb. Not good enough for corner in the nfl. Whoever takes him should convert him to a running back

 
Andy Dufresne said:
The point is that Lacy can't stay healthy because he can't stay in shape.

If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. But she didn't, so she wasn't.

What was that stat the other night?...GB's backs hadn't scored a rushing TD in a year or so.

Very unlikely they bring Lacy back.
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Gotta be honest, this is the first time I've ever heard this expression and I thought I had suffered some sort of mini-stroke while trying to process it. A fantastic idiom, and one I'm definitely going to be working into my lexicon going forward.

Nice job on this mock, I definitely enjoy reading your insights.

But, to be fair, when the Raiders pick rolls around, if you select anyone except a replacement for Janikowski I'm going to consider your judgement questionable at best. Joey Julius out of Penn State feels like the obvious pick  :D

 
Moonshine said:
Gotta be honest, this is the first time I've ever heard this expression and I thought I had suffered some sort of mini-stroke while trying to process it. A fantastic idiom, and one I'm definitely going to be working into my lexicon going forward.

Nice job on this mock, I definitely enjoy reading your insights.

But, to be fair, when the Raiders pick rolls around, if you select anyone except a replacement for Janikowski I'm going to consider your judgement questionable at best. Joey Julius out of Penn State feels like the obvious pick  :D
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Don't watch much Star Trek?

 
25. Detroit - Teez Tabor, CB Florida

26. Atlanta - Takkarist McKinley, DE UCLA

27. Seattle - Ryan Ramczyk, OT Wisconsin

 
28. NY Giants - DeMarcus Walker, DE FSU

29. Kansas City - Marlon Humphrey CB Alabama

30. New England - Christian McCaffrey, RB Stanford

31. Dallas - Jarrad Davis, OLB Florida

32. - Sidney Jones, CB Washington

 
Is Cam Robinson projected to be the #1 tackle in the draft?  I honestly dont know.  I dont recall hearing that he was that good.  Maybe I am wrong.  Its always tough to gauge how god/great a player is when they are on a juggernaut like the bama teams

 
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Is Cam Robinson projected to be the #1 tackle in the draft?  I honestly dont know.  I dont recall hearing that he was that good.  Maybe I am wrong.  Its always tough to gauge how god/great a player is when they are on a juggernaut like the bama teams
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It's a very down year for tackles. There's nobody obviously better.

 
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