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Andy D's 2017 Mock Draft Thread - 4/17 One last "Oh, okay.What the heck..." mock (1 Viewer)

Obviously, a lot rides on how things play out with Martavis Bryant (suspension), Sammie Coates (fingers), and Ladarius Green (concussions) over the offseason, but I'd be really surprised if the Steelers took pass catchers with their first two picks and ignored the defense.
Who needs defense if you score enough? They're like a Big 12 team.

 
Really like this mock. Not for my team (Steelers), but it's different from most of the mocks already out there and it's nice when things are mixed up.

 
I need to research more, when you have a small school tight end in my state I haven't heard about going in the first. 

 
I don't hate...just observe. :lol:

But seriously, Forte and Powell are JAGs at this point.
Well I'll disagree on Powell to some extent - not that he's elite but he's improved every year and is more than good enough to be a feature back.

But more importantly, the Jets do not have a Dallas level o-line (heck they don't have a Cleveland level o-line), and "wasting" a first round pick at RB when they aren't close to competing would be idiotic - which means maybe you're on to something. 

 
No it doesn't because each team that needs a QB could easily not take or not get one.

For example, of course Chicago could take Allen over Trubisky/Kiser/Watson. In which case that QB is available for, say, Buffalo. But if they did take him the. Buffalo takes someone else.

It has the same effect as having 2 players for each of the teams that need a QB and leaves the discussion open for all the other team/player combos.

Anyway, accuracy isn't important or even fun. It's still one player per team so that's easy enough to discuss. And further mocks are fun to discuss relative positioning of each player in relation to his peers.
Good points. I can see where you're coming from then

 
I'm not so sure Cook is going to be there for GB at 32.
I see what you did there....  :thumbup: :D

I'm not a big fan of GB going for a RB round 1. Andy and I discussed this on page 1 or 2. I think Lacy comes back. However if Cook is there for GB then no matter what they should take him.

 
Like it overall with two caveats,....

I don't think Foster goes as high as two. Love him, but you just rarely see a LB go that high.

Id be amazed if Cook lasted to GB. I'll be surprised if he makes it out of the teens.

 
Andy, I normally like your mocks, but the QB thing sucks for Carolina. You don't have two guys in the 1st who will be in the 1st so now we get McCaffery in the 2nd instead of Bolles/Ramczyk? That's really mean to us Panther fans, I mean downright cruel. If you told me we'd come away with Barnett and Bolles/Ramczyk in the 1st and 2nd, I'd be as giddy as a school girl. I can't imagine Carolina taking Thomas over Barnett. Maybe he'll blow away the combine, but I would be surprised to see him before Barnett.

 
Like it overall with two caveats,....

I don't think Foster goes as high as two. Love him, but you just rarely see a LB go that high.

Id be amazed if Cook lasted to GB. I'll be surprised if he makes it out of the teens.
Von Miller went #2. And both SF and Washington need the upgrade badly.

Yes, Miller was an OLB which is more important. But Foster is a missile and the MLB/ILB position has risen in importance a bit in the modern NFL.

Plus, the most recent CBA makes it financially more feasible to take a non-premium position player this high.

 
Has there ever been a real draft where no QB went in the first round?  I doubt that will happen this year.  There will be teams interested in moving up to get a QB.

 
Andy, I normally like your mocks, but the QB thing sucks for Carolina. You don't have two guys in the 1st who will be in the 1st so now we get McCaffery in the 2nd instead of Bolles/Ramczyk? That's really mean to us Panther fans, I mean downright cruel. If you told me we'd come away with Barnett and Bolles/Ramczyk in the 1st and 2nd, I'd be as giddy as a school girl. I can't imagine Carolina taking Thomas over Barnett. Maybe he'll blow away the combine, but I would be surprised to see him before Barnett.
This is a truly terrible year to need offensive line help. I mean awful. I think Ramczyk is really, really overrated and is being ranked high because he's the fattest kid at skinny camp.

I don't think they're "missing" out by not getting a first or second round lineman.

 
Love this for the Patriots - 2 CBs.

Really like how different this is than a majority of other mocks.

Nice work Andy!

ETA - While I really like the idea of 2 of the top 3-5 CBs going to the Pats, I don't see this.  The Pats are due to have Hightower, Long and other front & players be free agents after this season.  While I have to figure they would re-sign or franchise Hightower, I can't see them not using a pick on a front 7 player.  Plus, Bill LOVES DL.

 
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42. NO - Justin Evans S Texas A&M
On board with the R1 pick. It's something that can help them immediately. It helps them get younger too. R2, however, I think Safety is less a priority. They have Vaccaro under contract for another year. Vonn Bell opposite him looks like a fit too. They might be able to add a S later in the draft.

What do they need? CB. The revolving door at the position last year - Breaux, Moore, Webb, etc - was a disaster. If the plan was to give them the burn and hThey played hard but not always well. Bringing a quality CB in to at least compete, if not start, would be a smart play. 

 
Who needs defense if you score enough? They're like a Big 12 team.
I'm just looking at who is under contract and would be considered "likely" to be on the roster next year.

WR - A. Brown, M. Bryant, S. Coates, D. Heyward-Bey, D. Ayers (probable), C. Hamilton (probable)

TE - J. James, L. Green (probable), D. Johnson (probable)

OLB - Dupree, Chickillo, Harrison (questionable)

You can see the glaring need at OLB in a draft that's supposed to be very deep in quality edge rushers.  Now, if they address this in FA, it could be a different story but that's not the way the Steelers usually do business.  If they sign anyone at the position, and I think there's a chance they may, it's likely to be a depth signing.  They need youth and speed at the OLB spot DESPERATELY and while I don't think they'll reach egregiously, I do think that they're going to focus on that spot hard.  WR/TE would be luxury picks unless Green has to retire due to head trauma or Bryant gets cut for being a world-class idiot.

 
I'm just looking at who is under contract and would be considered "likely" to be on the roster next year.

WR - A. Brown, M. Bryant, S. Coates, D. Heyward-Bey, D. Ayers (probable), C. Hamilton (probable)

TE - J. James, L. Green (probable), D. Johnson (probable)

OLB - Dupree, Chickillo, Harrison (questionable)

You can see the glaring need at OLB in a draft that's supposed to be very deep in quality edge rushers.  Now, if they address this in FA, it could be a different story but that's not the way the Steelers usually do business.  If they sign anyone at the position, and I think there's a chance they may, it's likely to be a depth signing.  They need youth and speed at the OLB spot DESPERATELY and while I don't think they'll reach egregiously, I do think that they're going to focus on that spot hard.  WR/TE would be luxury picks unless Green has to retire due to head trauma or Bryant gets cut for being a world-class idiot.
Here, they got caught behind the curve and missed out on the best OLBs.

 
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True, but you have Charles Harris and Ryan Anderson going in the 2nd and I think they'd be more likely to take either (especially Harris) over a TE in the 1st.
Yeah, I could see Harris. Maybe I'm just down on Missouri DE's because they haven't exactly lit the NFL afire even though highly touted.

 
Yeah, I could see Harris. Maybe I'm just down on Missouri DE's because they haven't exactly lit the NFL afire even though highly touted.
Don't get me wrong, I love the player you mocked to them and think he has Pro Bowl potential but he's probably a year away from being an impact guy and they need help at OLB immediately.  Just addressing what I think they WOULD do, not even necessarily who I think is the best player.

 
Shout out to Daniel Jeremiah.
Would love to see two TE from the great state of Alabama go in the 1st, kudos for finding Everett.  Doubt he goes that high but looks like a good prospect.

Von Miller went #2. And both SF and Washington need the upgrade badly.

Yes, Miller was an OLB which is more important. But Foster is a missile and the MLB/ILB position has risen in importance a bit in the modern NFL.

Plus, the most recent CBA makes it financially more feasible to take a non-premium position player this high.
He's better than Ragland but really don't see him going ahead of his teammate allen.  I do like him a lot (especially for ff),  should be a tackle machine. 

 
I see what you did there....  :thumbup: :D

I'm not a big fan of GB going for a RB round 1. Andy and I discussed this on page 1 or 2. I think Lacy comes back. However if Cook is there for GB then no matter what they should take him.
Agreed I'm still on the Cook train because of his talent otherwise they need to address that defense it a big way.

 
The Steelers are going to be very hard to predict IMO.  They almost always just let someone fall to them, so whoever takes a surprising fall in the draft could easily be our pick no matter what position.  Last year they seemed to reach in the first 2 rounds, but they had specific players they wanted, so in their eyes it wasn't a reach due to athleticism and scheme.  Our needs this year are OLB, ILB (if Timmons leaves), CB, DE , OT, TE, WR, RB, QB.  That's to cover depth, potential FAs, upgrade, or aging. 

All things equal, if there's a top Edge Rusher left at pick 32 (hopefully) then we'll take him.  But if all the 1st round grade rushers are gone, they'll take the top TE, OT, CB, or DL that come to them.

Possible Picks: Carl Lawson DE, any of the top 10 CBs, Zach Cunningham ILB, Demarcus Walker DE, Tim Williams OLB, Ryan Ramczyk OT, Charles Harris EDGE, OJ Howard TE, TJ Watt LB, Christian McCaffrey, and any Combine Hero who bursts onto the scene.  (McCaffrey thrown in because then AB won't have to punt return, and he already runs like Le'veon)

 
Always appreciate the effort, Andy.  Looking forward to the Shark Pool mock so I can draft someone other than John Ross for the Bucs.   :P

 
Round 2 - Assuming that Kizer and Trubisky went SOMEWHERE in the 1st, they're off the board here. Let's cheat some more and assume that teams DIDN'T get their QB guy in FA/Trade...what then?

33. Cle - Patrick Mahomes QB Texas Tech

34. SF - Deshaun Watson QB Clemson

35. Jax - Garett Bolles T Utah

36. Chi - Davis Webb QB Cal

37. LAR - Tre'Davious White CB LSU

38. LAC - Ryan Ramczyk T Wisconsin

39. NYJ - Desmond King CB Iowa

40. Car - Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford

41. Cin - Raekwon McMillan LB Ohio St

42. NO - Justin Evans S Texas A&M

43. Phi - Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan

44. Buf - Marlon Humphrey - CB Alabama

45. AZ - Forrest Lamp G Western Kentucky

46. Ind - Alvin Kamara RB Tennesse

47. Balt - JuJu Smith Schuster WR USC

48. Min - Antonio Garcia T Troy

49. Wash - Dan Feeney G Indiana

50. TB - Ryan Anderson DE Alabama

51. Den - Ethan Ppocic C LSU

52. Cle (from Ten) - Curtis Samuel RB Ohio St

53. Det - Haason Reddick LB Temple

54. Mia - Charles Harris DE Missouri

55. NYG - DeMarcus Walker DE FSU

56. Oak - Cordrea Tankersley CB Clemson

57. Hou - Elijah Lee LB Kansas St

58. Sea - Dion Dawkins T Temple

59. KC - Anthony Walker Jr. LB Northwestern

60. Dal - Dawuane Smoot DE Illinois

61. GB - Caleb Brantley DL Florida

62. Pitt - Isaiah Ford WR Virginia Tech

63. Atl - Chris Wormley DL Michigan

64. NE - Evan Engram TE Ole Miss
Love the mocks, Andy. My only question is San Francisco's giving up two first-round picks for a QB then we're going to take QB Watson in the second?  

Seems to me thanks two firsts for Cousins means he's a long-term option and pick of Watson is redundant

 
Love the mocks, Andy. My only question is San Francisco's giving up two first-round picks for a QB then we're going to take QB Watson in the second?  

Seems to me thanks two firsts for Cousins means he's a long-term option and pick of Watson is redundant
I wasn't real clear about what I was trying to do here . Round 2 is disconnected from round 1 and I start from the idea that SF didn't take a QB or trade for one. I was trying to show that Watson probably falls out of the first and Mahomes and Webb shouldn't be a surprise.

The 49ers picks can be considered Foster/Watson. If its Cousins in the 1st then I could see a WR in the 2nd. 

 
I wasn't real clear about what I was trying to do here . Round 2 is disconnected from round 1 and I start from the idea that SF didn't take a QB or trade for one. I was trying to show that Watson probably falls out of the first and Mahomes and Webb shouldn't be a surprise.

The 49ers picks can be considered Foster/Watson. If its Cousins in the 1st then I could see a WR in the 2nd. 
Understood.  I love Watson and would be thrilled to get him in round 2, though I would be shocked if he's not top 5 come draft day.

Foster (who reminds me of PWilly) in 1 and Watson in 2 would be a coup.

 
The one spot on the oline that doesn't need to be replaced is center...so I can't see Denver selecting Ethan Ppocic

 
Andy Dufresne said:
They thought about Dalvin Cook here.
I imagine it would be quite hard for them to pass on Cook there unless Martin has restructured his deal. 

I think we can agree they need weapons for Jameis this season and probably more than one. 

Ross doesn't seem like much more than a speed guy to me. Undersized. I made a point to watch him against Alabama and he all but disappeared. 

I guess he could go here, especially if the rumors are true that he could threaten Chris Johnson's 4.25 40 at the combine. 

 
I imagine it would be quite hard for them to pass on Cook there unless Martin has restructured his deal. 

I think we can agree they need weapons for Jameis this season and probably more than one. 

Ross doesn't seem like much more than a speed guy to me. Undersized. I made a point to watch him against Alabama and he all but disappeared. 

I guess he could go here, especially if the rumors are true that he could threaten Chris Johnson's 4.25 40 at the combine. 
Against Alabama he was a #1 and I don't think they had much else. As a #2 to Evans the story would be different.

A sneaky play would be OSU's Samuel. There's rumors he could be a surprise first rounder in the Percy Harvin mold.

 
I have to transcribe this from my work computer because "The Bank" doesn't like emailing to external sources. So it'll take a bit.

1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M

This is really the only answer (other than a trade - in which case Garrett still goes #1)

2. San Francisco/Washington - Reuben Foster LB Alabama

Whichever team picks here, Foster would be a building block for a decade for their defense. Shades of Patrick Willis/Redskins need help up the middle.

3. Chicago - Jonathan Allen DL Alabama

Their defense should have been better this past year. Allen would assure it for next.

4. Jacksonville - Jamal Adams S LSU

Jags are on the verge of having a great defense. Teamed with Ramsey, this would be lethal.

5. Tennessee (fom LAR) - Mike Williams WR Clemson

It's no secret the Titans need better targets for Mariota. 

6. NY Jets - Leonard Fournette RB LSU

After seeing what Elliott did for Dallas, this would be awfully tempting for the Jets.

7. LA Chargers - Malik Hooker S Ohio State

They look kind of smart for letting Weddle go (his talent has slipped) but they DO need to replace what he was.

8. Carolina - Solomon Thomas DE Stanford

Thomas is this year's fast riser winner. Panthers always seem to churn through good DE's.

9. Cincinnati - Derek Barnett DE Tennessee

Helping their surprisingly wobbly defense would do wonders to make this a more balanced team.

10. Buffalo - Tim Williams DE Alabama

Off field questions be darned (they were dismissed anyway), this would be an aggressive player for McDermott's scheme.

11. New Orleans - Takkarist McKinley DE UCLA

12. Cleveland/New England - Marshon Lattimore CB Ohio St

13. Arizona - Quincy Wilson CB Florida

14. Indianapolis - Jabrill Peppers

15. Philadelphia (from MIN) - Corey Davis WR Western Michigan 

16. Baltimore - Taco Charlton DE Michigan

17. Washington - Malik McDowell DL Michigan St

18. Tennessee - Sidney Jones CB Washington

19. Tampa Bay - John Ross WR Washington

20. Denver - Cam Robinson T Alabama

21. Detroit - Carl Lawson DE Auburn

22. Miami - Zach Cunningham LB Vanderbilt

23. NY Giants - OJ Howard TE Alabama

24. Oakland - Jarrad Davis LB Florida

25. Houston - David Njoku TE Miami

26. Seattle - Gareon Conley CB Ohio St

27. Kansas City - TJ Watt DE/OLB Wisconsin

28. Dallas - Budda Baker S Washington

29. Green Bay - Dalvin Cook RB FSU

30. Pittsburgh - Gerald Everett TE South Alabama

31. Atlanta - Adoree' Jackson CB USC

32. New England - Teez Tabor CB Florida
Not a Steelers homer (Patriots fan) but I cannot see the Gerald Everett pick.  Had to go back to 2008 for their last 1st round skill player.  (Their only other 1st round draft picks on offense were OLine.)  It just seems to me they get "fits" for offense later because they know they have to get elite quality "fits" in the first few rounds.

 
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Not a Steelers homer (Patriots fan) but I cannot see the Gerald Everett pick.  Had to go back to 2008 for their last 1st round skill player.  (Their only other 1st round draft picks on offense were OLine.)  It just seems to me they get "fits" for offense later because they know they have to get elite quality "fits" in the first few rounds.
I don't understand what you mean.

 
I don't understand what you mean.
By "fits", I mean they really hold the line on going for players who fit their schemes and what they look for in players more than just BPA.  A number of teams seem to go with the "BPA forever!" way of doing things with saying, "Well, you can never have too much talent" and then maybe having talented players but not ones who fit what their team's philosophy is.  The Steelers really seem to have a way they want to build (especially on defense) that they stay with, come hell or high water.

I just believe they will stay the course instead of reaching in the first round for a TE.

 
By "fits", I mean they really hold the line on going for players who fit their schemes and what they look for in players more than just BPA.  A number of teams seem to go with the "BPA forever!" way of doing things with saying, "Well, you can never have too much talent" and then maybe having talented players but not ones who fit what their team's philosophy is.  The Steelers really seem to have a way they want to build (especially on defense) that they stay with, come hell or high water.

I just believe they will stay the course instead of reaching in the first round for a TE.
Unless he fits... ;)

 
After the AFC Championship I could see the Steelers investing a 1st or 2nd round pick in RB this year if there's an elite talent there.  When Bell went down Williams wasn't made to follow in his footsteps, we'd need another RB who could try and emulate his style. The timing was all off when Williams got in there, but McCaffrey could be that Le'veon-lite to plug right in. Probably won't happen though. See a defensive pick in the 1st.

 
The draft is actually pretty deep in RB talent. At least good enough to play 2nd fiddle to Bell.

 
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After the Packers turning back into a pumpkin this weekend I think it's clear that GB needs to take a CB round 1. If they go after a big name free agent (Gilmore maybe?) then maybe the need for a true #1 CB is less. But its clear Randall was a failure and Rollins hasn't been healthy enough to show if he has taken that next step. Since Thompson never signs big name FAs, then they will have to go CB round 1

CB is actually quite deep for that round 1-2 talent. RB is so deep I can't see GB wasting a 1st round pick on one since that isn't really their #1 need. Even if they let Lacy walk. They still have Montgomery who statistically is awesome (rated #1 most elusive RB). I could see them grabbing a RB round 3 even and signing a younger vet (even bringing C-Mike back). FWIW I think they will have Lacy, Montgomery, and a Rookie (round 3) next year. 

CB is such a glaring need for GB, and that only gets worse once they release Sam Shields. Then they are stuck with basically what went out there yesterday, and that clearly won't do. 

 
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1.    Browns – Myles Garrett, DE Texas A&M
2.    49ers – Solomon Thomas, DE Stanford 
3.    Bears - Deshaun Watson, QB Clemson.  
4.    Jaguars – Marshon Lattimore, CB Ohio St
5.    Titans (from  Eagles) – Jamal Adams, S LSU  
6.    Jets – Mitchell Trubisky, QB North Carolina 
7.    Chargers – Malik Hooker, S tOSU
8.    Panthers – Leonard Fournette, RB LSU 
9.    Bengals – Jonathan Allen, DT/DE Alabama.     
10.    Bills – Jabrill Peppers, S/LB Michigan
11.    Saints – Derek Barnett, DE Tennessee
12.    Browns – OJ Howard, TE  Alabama 
13.    Cardinals – Rueben Foster, LB Alabama
14.    Colts – Haason Reddick, LB Temple.  
15.    Eagles (from Vikings) – Mike Williams, WR Clemson
16.    Ravens – Sidney Jones, CB Washington
17.    Redskins – Zach Cunningham, LB Vanderbilt 
18.    Saints (from Titans) – Marlon Humphrey, CB Alabama
19.    Buccaneers – Corey Davis, WR Western Michigan
20.    Broncos – Ryan Ramczyk, OT Wisconsin 
21.    Lions – Evan Engram, TE Ole Miss. 
22.    Dolphins – Taco Charlton, DE Michigan
23.    Giants – John Ross, WR Washington
24.    Raiders – Dalvin Cook, RB FSU
25.    Texans – Garrett Bolles, OT Utah
26.    Seahawks – Forrest Lamp, OL Western Kentucky
27.    Chiefs – Christian McCaffery, RB Stanford
28.    Cowboys – Curtis Samuel, WR tOSU
29.    Packers – Gareon Conley, CB tOSU 
30.    Steelers – TJ Watt, OLB Wisconsin
31.    Falcons -  Charles Harris, DE/OLB Missouri 
32.    Patriots – Cam Robinson, OL Alabama

Just missed: Budda Baker, Tim Williams, Ryan Anderson, Jarrad Davis, David Njoku, Carl Lawson, Alvin Kamara, Patrick Mahomes, Davis Webb, Obi Melifonwu
 

 
I see the Fournette pick happening. I don't see the Mike Williams one happening. That's another WR with no speed for the Eagles? Unless they get a speedster later...that can catch a football.

 
I see the Fournette pick happening. I don't see the Mike Williams one happening. That's another WR with no speed for the Eagles? Unless they get a speedster later...that can catch a football.
I'm assuming Desean Jackson returns to Philly. Williams' size and ball skills override any speed shortcomings.

 

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