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Andy D's 2nd annual Super-Mega, 3 Round, Post-Combine, (1 Viewer)

Norseman said:
Andy Dufresne said:
79. Houston - Kevin Smith, RB - U.S.F.
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Do you think Smith is the starter if he goes to Houston?
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IMO (and not that you asked) i think he very well could become the starter not too long into the season. The $$ they invested in Green will give him the shot to start the season. If healthy he helps Schaub more then the rook would. Walker showed good skills last season late in the year too.I could see Smith and Walker in a RBBC late in the year with Smith as the lead and bulk of the work back.
 
85. Tennessee - Terrell Thomas, CB - U.S.C.

86. Seattle - Mike McGlynn, OG - Pittsburgh

87. Detroit - Eric Young, OG/OT - Tennessee

 
88. Pittsburgh - Donnie Avery, WR - Houston

89. Jacksonville - Tavares Gooden, LB - Miami (Fl.)

90. Chicago (from San Diego) - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm glad the Panthers made that trade as it gives me a chance to move Ray Rice where I wanted him in the first place. Plus, I'll make my Bengals friends happier...67. Carolina Panthers (from NY Jets) - Ray Rice, RB - Rutgers68. Atlanta - Xavier Adibi, LB - Virginia Tech69. New England (from Oakland) - Heath Benedict, OT - Newberry
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Who is Heath Benedict and where is Newberry?? Can you just change this pick to Chris Ellis, DE from Va Tech and we call it a day?
 
twitch said:
69. New England (from Oakland) - Heath Benedict, OT - NewberryWho is Heath Benedict and where is Newberry?? Can you just change this pick to Chris Ellis, DE from Va Tech and we call it a day?
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He's the guy that's going to take Kaczur's spot at RT.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
88. Pittsburgh - Donnie Avery, WR - Houston89. Jacksonville - Tavares Gooden, LB - Miami (Fl.)90. Chicago (from San Diego) - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky
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Damn Woodson fell. Not sure chicago will like that either. too many comparisons of Byron Leftwhich and his way too long delivery make me wonder if he will be a good qb. I dont think Chi can take that chance on another bad QB (i know all rooks are risky). At least in the 3rd its not a high priced risk...
 
91. Green Bay - Patrick Lee, CB - Auburn

92. Dallas - Marcus Harrison, DT - Arkansas

93. Indianapolis - Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech

Watch out for Eddie Royal. :rant:

 
Andy Dufresne said:
91. Green Bay - Patrick Lee, CB - Auburn92. Dallas - Marcus Harrison, DT - Arkansas93. Indianapolis - Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech Watch out for Eddie Royal. :rant:
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Can't say I know anything about Harrison. Is he a DE or an NT in the 3-4?Royal might be better slotted 1 pick earlier.
 
94. New England - Chevis Jackson, CB - L.S.U.

95. New York Giants - John Greco, OT - Toledo

Well that's that. Unless anyone knows what the compensatory picks are.

 
eric rymer said:
Andy Dufresne said:
91. Green Bay - Patrick Lee, CB - Auburn

92. Dallas - Marcus Harrison, DT - Arkansas

93. Indianapolis - Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech

Watch out for Eddie Royal. :thumbup:
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He has ridiculous speed. He plays faster than his times would show. :confused:
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Always got to be aware of a WR in Indy!!!
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Well that's that. Unless anyone knows what the compensatory picks are.
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You could skip them and move on to round 4 if you were inclined?!?!?!!? I guess maybe a 1st rd FF rookie mock based on this mock draft

 
Andy Dufresne said:
94. New England - Chevis Jackson, CB - L.S.U.95. New York Giants - John Greco, OT - ToledoWell that's that. Unless anyone knows what the compensatory picks are.
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Ok since I was loyal and watched the whole thing. Can you give any insight who my Browns might be looking at in the 4th?
 
Ridgelake said:
Can't say I know anything about Harrison. Is he a DE or an NT in the 3-4?
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Saw a decent amount of Hog's games the past few years. He could probably play either spot. Scrapes off the traffic pretty well. More of a force against the run than he'll ever be as a pass rusher though.
 
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Ridgelake said:
Can't say I know anything about Harrison. Is he a DE or an NT in the 3-4?
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Could probably play either but might be more suited to end.
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DE is not a need for Dallas unless Canty gets signed/poison-pilled away. But then Dallas would get another 1st. You could argue for a big space eating NT as a missing element on their front 7. That would allow Ratliff to slide back to his more-natural DE spot. I just don't see them taking a DE unless they lose Canty.I think Royal would be much more likely to make the team and contribute. He possibly fits the bill of a needed deep-threat receiver.
 
eric rymer said:
Ok since I was loyal and watched the whole thing. Can you give any insight who my Browns might be looking at in the 4th?
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A pass rushing OLB/DEChris Ellis - Virginia Tech Shawn Crable - MichiganJeremy Thompson - Wake ForestPerhaps a corner to replace the departed Bodden:Trae Williams - U.S.F.DeJuan Tribble - B.C.Antuan Molden - Eastern KentuckyTyvon Branch - Connecticut
 
Here we go by team:

Arizona

Quentin Groves, DE - Auburn

Tracy Porter, CB - Indiana

Matt Forte, RB - Tulane

Atlanta

Sedrick Ellis, DT - U.S.C.

Brian Brohm, QB - Louisville

Xavier Adibi, LB - Virginia Tech

Tony Hills, OT - Texas

Baltimore

Vernon Gholston, OLB - Ohio St.

Joe Flacco, QB - Delaware

Buffalo

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB - Tennessee St.

James Hardy, WR - Indiana

Martin Rucker, TE Missouri

Carolina

Philip Merling, DE - Clemson

Anthony Collins, OT - Kansas

Thomas DeCloud, S - California

Ray Rice, RB - Rutgers

Chicago

Jeff Otah, OT - Pittsburgh

Early Doucet, WR - L.S.U.

Jamaal Charles, RB - Texas

Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky

Cincinnati

Glenn Dorsey, DT - L.S.U.

Dustin Keller, TE - Purdue

Jason Jones, DE - Eastern Michigan

Dallas

Antoine Cason, CB - Arizona

Felix Jones, RB - Arkansas

Justin King, CB - Penn. St.

D.J. Hall, WR - Alabama

Denver

Chris Williams, OT - Vanderbilt

Earl Bennett, WR - Vanderbilt

Detroit

Rashard Mendenhall, RB - Illinois

Jerod Mayo, ILB - Tennessee

Eric Young, OG/OT - Tennessee

Curtis Lofton, LB - Okalhoma

Green Bay

Dan Connor, OLB - Penn St.

Charles Godfrey, CB - Iowa

Brad Cottam, TE - Tennessee

Patrick Lee, CB - Auburn

Houston

Sam Baker, OT - U.S.C.

Kevin Smith, RB - U.C.F.

Indianapolis

Chris Johnson, RB - E.C.U.

Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech

Jacksonville

Lawrence Jackson, DE - U.S.C.

Andre Caldwell, WR - Florida

DeMario Pressley, DT - NC State

Tavares Gooden, LB - Miami (Fl.)

Kansas City

Ryan Clady, OT - Boise St.

Aqib Talib, CB - Kansas

Mario Manningham, WR - Michigan

Miami

Matt Ryan, QB - Boston College

Kentwan Balmer, DT - North Carolina

Ahtyba Rubin, DT - Iowa St.

Cliff Avril, OLB - Purdue

Minnesota

Derrick Harvey, DE - Florida

Chad Henne, QB - Michigan

DaJuan Morgan, S - North Carolina State

Jermichael Finley, TE - Texas

New England

Mike Jenkins, CB - USF

Jonathan Goff, ILB - Vanderbilt

Heath Benedict, OT - Newberry

Chevis Jackson, CB - L.S.U.

New Orleans

Leodis McKelvin, CB - Troy

Trevor Laws, DT - Notre Dame

Erin Henderson, LB - Maryland

New York Giants

Reggie Smith, CB/S - Oklahoma

Jordy Nelson, WR - Kansas St.

John Greco, OT - Toledo

New York Jets

Darren McFadden, RB - Arkansas

Red Bryant, DT - Texas A&M

Marcus Howard, OLB - Georgia

Oakland

Carl Nicks, OT - Nebraska

Chris Long, DE - Virginia

Philadelphia

Limas Sweed, WR - Tennessee

Fred Davis, TE - U.S.C.

Oneil Cousins, OT, Texas - El Paso

Pittsburgh

Branden Albert, OG - Virginia

Dre Moore, DT - Maryland

Donnie Avery, WR - Houston

San Diego

Kenny Phillips, S - Miami (Fl.)

San Francisco

Gosder Cherilus, OT - B

Chilo Rachal, G - U.S.C.

Josh Barrett, S - Arizona St.

Seattle

Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon

Martellus Bennett, TE - Texas A&M

Mike McGlynn, OG - Pittsburgh

St. Louis

Jake Long, OT - Michigan

Malcolm Kelly, WR - Oklahoma

Darrell Robertson, DE - Georgia Tech

Tampa Bay

Keith Rivers, LB - U.S.C.

Pat Sims, DT - Auburn

Lavelle Hawkins, WR - California

Tennessee

Calais Campbell, DE - Miami (Fl.)

DeSean Jackson, WR - California

Terrell Thomas, CB - U.S.C.

Washington

Devin Thomas, WR - Michigan St.

Brandon Flowers, CB - Virginia Tech

Roy Schuening, OG - Oregon State

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
eric rymer said:
Ok since I was loyal and watched the whole thing. Can you give any insight who my Browns might be looking at in the 4th?
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A pass rushing OLB/DEChris Ellis - Virginia Tech Shawn Crable - MichiganJeremy Thompson - Wake ForestPerhaps a corner to replace the departed Bodden:Trae Williams - U.S.F.DeJuan Tribble - B.C.Antuan Molden - Eastern KentuckyTyvon Branch - Connecticut
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Great. Thanks for all the hard work Andy. Great Mock. :fishing: I'd be very happy with Ellis or Crable. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on a guy like Mike Hart if he fell to the 4th or 5th. I know he had a bad combine, but he was a very good player at Michigan. I would just love to see a good RB prospect that we could groom over the next 2 years as an eventual replacement for Lewis.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
60. Green Bay - Brad Cottam, TE - Tennessee

Fast riser coming back from injury for a team that loves the TE spot.
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With all due respect, because I know it's hard to put together 3 rounds, I highly doubt this pick for Green Bay and wouldn't personally like it. The TE class this year is nothing special and the top guy taken is not that much more, if anything, than the 6th guy. With that in mind, and the fact that Cottam, Jermichael, and Carlson are still on the board as well as others, I think it would be a mistake to take a TE before the 3rd round. That's were they become value picks. Also, as secret as Ted Thompson is about who he's interested in and talks to, one of the players the Packers talked to at the combine was Jermichael from Texas.I could see a versatile OL here. A guard who could also play tackle, or a tackle that could play guard. I know I picked him in our pre-combine draft for the Packers but Mike McGlynn would be pretty nice here. He's played every position on the OL so he's ridiculously versatile. Also, look at who he's compared to in the analysis on NFL.com...

Compares To: MARK TAUSHER-Green Bay-Like Tauschner, McGlynn has lots of field savvy and the knowledge to excel at any position on the front wall. His trap-blocking skills are solid enough to move to guard and his nimble kick-slide leads you to believe he could excel as a left tackle. He works well in unison with his guards and tight ends to seal off the backside charge at right tackle, but with his hand quickness and deep-snapping skills, he could find a home at center in the NFL due to his intelligence and field awareness.
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Entire Mike McGlynn analysis
 
Andy, great stuff as always. You've put a ton of work and thought into this and it shows.

Your Dallas picks address the 3 biggest needs. Can't say I agree with all the selections, but they are in the right spots most likely. :thumbdown:

 
Ridgelake said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Ridgelake said:
Urinal Mint said:
Ridgelake said:
Hmmm, so does Dallas go safety or WR here?
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Everyone shoe-horns Felix Jones here, and I just don't see it happening. I think Dallas can find a complementary RB in round 2 or 3.
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I would be seriously pissed if they took Felix here. If you're gonna use a 1st on a RB, he darn well better be able to carry the load. You can successfully argue Mendenhall and Stewart. But Felix is too small to be an every down back. How is his blocking? Think he can pick up a blitzing LB and keep Romo alive? And for a "speed" back, he sure ran slow at the combine. No, I really don't see how he would fit in Dallas at this pick.
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Well that sucks because that's who I had there. Again, it's on the philosophy that they're looking for guys that can play right away. And I think you're wrong about a 1st round RB having to carry the load. Teams are getting smarter about this and I love the trend toward two guys sharing the load.And besides, 40 times don't tell the whole story. He had the 2nd best shuttle time, ran a 4.44 40 which was 8th best (still not terrible) among RBs, had a 33 in. vertical, and a 10'4" broad jump. I think he'd be a great compliment to Marion Barberl

28. Dallas Cowboys- Felix Jones, RB - Arkansas

Boring pick because everyone else has it. Still I really do think this pick makes a lot of sense. The Cowboys have to be looking for guys that can contribute right away since their window is wide open but could close just as quick. I think the 2nd tier of backs is overrated, but Jones is definitely at the top of the 2nd tier list.
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20 minutes later, the booing still continues on this AWEFUL pick! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just say no to Felix, Andy. Early Doucet, James Hardy or Reggie Smith. Heck, even Talib, but he's so similar to Cason that I could not see them paired together.
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Funny that. I'm working on a quickie mock because I don't like the way mocks are shaping up here and elsewhere. I have some offbeat ideas I wanted to loosely pencil, and I end up with two first round DBs in Dallas. JJ said he was going to add some wow to the offense, but the 3rd ranked offense isn't the problem. Wow can come later, thanks.

I don't believe for a second that Felix is atop tier 2 RBs either. I like Felix, but I hate this pick for Dallas. They need to address the secondary and they are in a great spot to do so meeting both immediate and long term-right needs. I'd love it if they did it. I wouldn't mind an OL either, now that Parcells is out of the way. A WR isn't going to help them short-term. If they weren't staring at a wide open door to glory, i would support a young WR, but there's tons of nice wides in this draft for later. Tighten up that secondary, please.

My biggest fear is Dallas moving up for someone they see as "wow factor" like Desean Jackson and sacrificing this double whammy opportunity. They way they've wiffed with first rounders recently it won't surprise me.

 
scrumptrulescent said:
Andy Dufresne said:
60. Green Bay - Brad Cottam, TE - TennesseeFast riser coming back from injury for a team that loves the TE spot.
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With all due respect, because I know it's hard to put together 3 rounds, I highly doubt this pick for Green Bay and wouldn't personally like it. The TE class this year is nothing special and the top guy taken is not that much more, if anything, than the 6th guy. With that in mind, and the fact that Cottam, Jermichael, and Carlson are still on the board as well as others, I think it would be a mistake to take a TE before the 3rd round. That's were they become value picks. Also, as secret as Ted Thompson is about who he's interested in and talks to, one of the players the Packers talked to at the combine was Jermichael from Texas.I could see a versatile OL here. A guard who could also play tackle, or a tackle that could play guard. I know I picked him in our pre-combine draft for the Packers but Mike McGlynn would be pretty nice here. He's played every position on the OL so he's ridiculously versatile. Also, look at who he's compared to in the analysis on NFL.com...
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Yup. O-line was the other consideration here.Unfortunately, I slotted McGlynn to the Seahawks five picks before the Packers pick in round 3.
 
Can we get the third round added to page 1? I would like to paste the first 3 rounds into another thread with a title of something like, "if the draft played out like this, were do these guys get drafted in a Dynasty rookie draft?"

 
Chaos Commish said:
Funny that. I'm working on a quickie mock because I don't like the way mocks are shaping up here and elsewhere. I have some offbeat ideas I wanted to loosely pencil, and I end up with two first round DBs in Dallas. JJ said he was going to add some wow to the offense, but the 3rd ranked offense isn't the problem. Wow can come later, thanks. I don't believe for a second that Felix is atop tier 2 RBs either. I like Felix, but I hate this pick for Dallas. They need to address the secondary and they are in a great spot to do so meeting both immediate and long term-right needs. I'd love it if they did it. I wouldn't mind an OL either, now that Parcells is out of the way. A WR isn't going to help them short-term. If they weren't staring at a wide open door to glory, i would support a young WR, but there's tons of nice wides in this draft for later. Tighten up that secondary, please. My biggest fear is Dallas moving up for someone they see as "wow factor" like Desean Jackson and sacrificing this double whammy opportunity. They way they've wiffed with first rounders recently it won't surprise me.
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I was hoping you'd be around here as this was gong on. As far as where you have Felix, that's okay. I like you. But I don't like your rankings. :thumbdown:And I did tighten up the Cowboys secondary. I can't see them taking two defensive backs in the first round.
 
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New York Giants

Reggie Smith, CB/S - Oklahoma

Jordy Nelson, WR - Kansas St.

John Greco, OT - Toledo
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Andy what do the LB’s after round 3 look like.I see that you don’t have the Giants addressing that position in the 1st 3 rounds and they have yet to do anything about in free agency.

 
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Yenrub said:
Andy Dufresne said:
New York Giants

Reggie Smith, CB/S - Oklahoma

Jordy Nelson, WR - Kansas St.

John Greco, OT - Toledo
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Andy what do the LB’s after round 3 look like.I see that you don’t have the Giants addressing that position in the 1st 3 rounds and they have yet to do anything about in free agency.
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Actually not too bad. At least they're roughly the same talent as guys drafted in rounds 2 & 3.Here are some names that are kicked around

Outside

Jordan Dizon, Colorado

Gary Guyton, Georgia Tech

Geno Hayes, Florida State

Ezra Butler, Nevada-Reno

Ali Highsmith, Louisiana State

Inside

Phillip Wheeler Georgia Tech (I tried to find a spot for him in rounds 2 & 3 but couldn't do it.

Beau Bell U.N.L.V.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Chaos Commish said:
Funny that. I'm working on a quickie mock because I don't like the way mocks are shaping up here and elsewhere. I have some offbeat ideas I wanted to loosely pencil, and I end up with two first round DBs in Dallas. JJ said he was going to add some wow to the offense, but the 3rd ranked offense isn't the problem. Wow can come later, thanks. I don't believe for a second that Felix is atop tier 2 RBs either. I like Felix, but I hate this pick for Dallas. They need to address the secondary and they are in a great spot to do so meeting both immediate and long term-right needs. I'd love it if they did it. I wouldn't mind an OL either, now that Parcells is out of the way. A WR isn't going to help them short-term. If they weren't staring at a wide open door to glory, i would support a young WR, but there's tons of nice wides in this draft for later. Tighten up that secondary, please. My biggest fear is Dallas moving up for someone they see as "wow factor" like Desean Jackson and sacrificing this double whammy opportunity. They way they've wiffed with first rounders recently it won't surprise me.
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I like you. But I don't like your rankings. :hifive:And I did tighten up the Cowboys secondary. I can't see them taking two defensive backs in the first round.
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I somewhat agree. I don't think Dallas can take 2 corners in the 1st. But I do think they could take a CB and a safety. The CB immediately takes over the nickle. The safety learns for a year before Roy gets cut. I actually think Dallas will go either RB/CB or CB/WR in the first. The RB would be either Stewart or Mendenhall. These are the type of backs that Dallas wants. Bigger guys like Barber who can pass protect. Versatile guys who can run and catch. Felix can run and catch. But he just doesnt have the size profile that Dallas seems to want. Felix also doesnt appear to have the size to be a full time guy. If Barber goes down, can you rely on Felix for 20 carries a game? I would not doubt Mendy or Stewart in that roll, but I sure doubt Felix in it. I could see them go RB at 22 with Stew or Mend, then come back to CB at 28.Alternatively, they go CB at 22 and a top WR should be there at 28. As I mentioned earlier, the risk of a 1st round WR is mitigated by the other pick as well as its lateness in the first. Doucet is a guy I know they've been looking at hard.
 
The two top centers (Mike Pollack of Arizona State and John Sullivan of Notre Dame, IMO) will likely go in the first three rounds too, I just didn't know where to put them.

Also, I think Colt Brennan should go in the first three rounds. If not, someone in the top 10 of the fourth should scoop him up FAST.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Chaos Commish said:
Funny that. I'm working on a quickie mock because I don't like the way mocks are shaping up here and elsewhere. I have some offbeat ideas I wanted to loosely pencil, and I end up with two first round DBs in Dallas. JJ said he was going to add some wow to the offense, but the 3rd ranked offense isn't the problem. Wow can come later, thanks. I don't believe for a second that Felix is atop tier 2 RBs either. I like Felix, but I hate this pick for Dallas. They need to address the secondary and they are in a great spot to do so meeting both immediate and long term-right needs. I'd love it if they did it. I wouldn't mind an OL either, now that Parcells is out of the way. A WR isn't going to help them short-term. If they weren't staring at a wide open door to glory, i would support a young WR, but there's tons of nice wides in this draft for later. Tighten up that secondary, please. My biggest fear is Dallas moving up for someone they see as "wow factor" like Desean Jackson and sacrificing this double whammy opportunity. They way they've wiffed with first rounders recently it won't surprise me.
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I was hoping you'd be around here as this was gong on. As far as where you have Felix, that's okay. I like you. But I don't like your rankings. :confused:And I did tighten up the Cowboys secondary. I can't see them taking two defensive backs in the first round.
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I haven't been able to read the whole thing, just refresh the OP. I had to comment on Dallas though. You're basically saying Dallas prizes Felix almost equally to Stewart here. Stewart is sitting there at 22 with a pack of hard to rank and interchangeable corners. If they wanted the "wow" of a back to replace Julius, then Stewart is the "wowowow" and they get their DB with the second pick. Cason before Stewart with Jones in the plans. The way you went about this didn't make sense beyond everyone giving Stewart to Seattle and Jones to Dallas. Those picks are part of mass groupthink right now. It ain't goin' down like that, bro. :thumbup: Not that my chicken scratch is significantly better, just moderately. :goodposting:
 
Chaos Commish said:
I haven't been able to read the whole thing, just refresh the OP. I had to comment on Dallas though. You're basically saying Dallas prizes Felix almost equally to Stewart here. Stewart is sitting there at 22 with a pack of hard to rank and interchangeable corners. If they wanted the "wow" of a back to replace Julius, then Stewart is the "wowowow" and they get their DB with the second pick. Cason before Stewart with Jones in the plans. The way you went about this didn't make sense beyond everyone giving Stewart to Seattle and Jones to Dallas. Those picks are part of mass groupthink right now. It ain't goin' down like that, bro. :unsure: Not that my chicken scratch is significantly better, just moderately. :shrug:
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Everyone has such a woody for Jonathan Stewart I can't believe it.If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?
 
Andy Dufresne said:
If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?
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Thats precisely the point. There have been a number of comments coming out of Valley Ranch indicating that Barber is the profile they want. They have speed guys who can run (Tyson Thompson anyone?). But they really value backs who can pass protect, as well as run inside, outside and catch. Its a lot easier to do that at 230 than 200.
 
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