pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Please answer both questions, and state your reasoning behind tanking or not tanking for both choices.
What say ye?
What say ye?
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Annual: Do you tank a game to increase chance to win the championship? (2 Viewers)
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Play to win, within the rules. Always.Our league gives a first round bye to the top 2 seeds to avoid this though.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Exactly, I've been ####ed over many times by other owners pushing the rules to the nth degree. I will try my damndest to get the best matchups and manipulate who makes the dance.
dparker713
Footballguy
You can never be sure who will post good games from week to week. I play to win every week, and let the chips fall where they may.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Do what it takes to win.
Phurfur
Footballguy
I will do what ever I can to win every game. Tanking a game is like calling a time out right before a FG. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I see too many owners try this only to have their "dream" matchup blow up in their face. Be careful what you wish for.
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mdog1967
Footballguy
Win the whole thing or why bother. I would tank if I thought it would increase the odds of a FFBL Super Bowl championship. I have a first round by locked up in a 16 team league, I am contemplating tanking this week to keep a much stronger team on paper from getting the other by week. My luck has been really silly good this year. I could start a ham sandwich and still be nervous I would pull off the win. Just happens somtimes. 98% luck, 2% dumb luck.pigskinliquors said:Please answer both questions, and state your reasoning behind tanking or not tanking for both choices. What say ye?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
we have a no tank rule in my leagues. Having said that, if there is any way to debate someone choice for starting someone i would let it go. But if someone started an injured player or someone who will not get run over an obvious choice, i would consider making a ruling.
GregR_2
Footballguy
There is only one situation I've ever heard of where I think tanking might be justified, and neither of the ones in the poll are it.
The only time I think it might be justified is when a league has a playoff spot going to highest remaining points and others going to record. There can be situations where winning your game completely eliminates you from playoff contention. But if you lose, a team you had no chance to beat on tiebreak goes in on record and then you win the highest remaining points playoff spot.
If someone is put in such a definite win-eliminates-you situation I might be ok with it, but even then it's questionable. Any other justification I've seen is bush league. I make sure the leagues I play in have explicit rules against tanking.
The only time I think it might be justified is when a league has a playoff spot going to highest remaining points and others going to record. There can be situations where winning your game completely eliminates you from playoff contention. But if you lose, a team you had no chance to beat on tiebreak goes in on record and then you win the highest remaining points playoff spot.
If someone is put in such a definite win-eliminates-you situation I might be ok with it, but even then it's questionable. Any other justification I've seen is bush league. I make sure the leagues I play in have explicit rules against tanking.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Steeler07 said:
Incredibly lame.It's a hobby. Unless you're gunning for high stakes, it's pitiful.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I have this option in my main league. 11-1 and play the two guys that are 8-3 right behind me this week and next. Playoffs start week 15. No way I put a lame duck team out there to face one guy or the other.
I might get blasted on Monday for starting Warner against the Browns at home over Manning or Schaub this week who have bad matchups, but that is about the only deviation I have from my normal squad. It's not like Manning has been lights out this year. And Cleveland bleeds yards and TD's through the air....
Besides, I think that if I tanked for one or the other that guy would probably smoke me in the playoffs just because of Karma...
I might get blasted on Monday for starting Warner against the Browns at home over Manning or Schaub this week who have bad matchups, but that is about the only deviation I have from my normal squad. It's not like Manning has been lights out this year. And Cleveland bleeds yards and TD's through the air....
Besides, I think that if I tanked for one or the other that guy would probably smoke me in the playoffs just because of Karma...
Wouldn't you want the stronger team to get the other bye spot? In my leagues we do playoffs by seeding and if I am 1 seed, I won't have to face the 2 seed until the championship game if we both make it that far. I would think it would give you better odds not to have to face the stronger on paper team if he got the other bye. I'd rather face the strong team in the championship game then take the chance of losing to him in the first round. I am assuming of course that there are only 2 bye teams.Edit: Besides, tanking = bad karma. The fantasy gods frown on tanking.Win the whole thing or why bother. I would tank if I thought it would increase the odds of a FFBL Super Bowl championship. I have a first round by locked up in a 16 team league, I am contemplating tanking this week to keep a much stronger team on paper from getting the other by week. My luck has been really silly good this year. I could start a ham sandwich and still be nervous I would pull off the win. Just happens somtimes. 98% luck, 2% dumb luck.pigskinliquors said:Please answer both questions, and state your reasoning behind tanking or not tanking for both choices. What say ye?
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
I posted, as I believe tanking this week would help me win it all, as I play the team that would knock the 2nd highest scoring team out of the playoffs this week = if I beat him, the 2nd highest scoring team will be out of the playoffs. The second highest scorer also has great match-ups throughout the playoffs. I don't want to be "that guy" but I also want to give myself the best chance to win it all.
edited to fix the error identified below = my bad
edited to fix the error identified below = my bad
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That doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't having the second highest point scorer out of the playoffs give you a better chance to win it all?
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
My bad, fixed.
Win at all costs. Morals be damned. This attitude is one reason I don't like myself during fantasy football. If I have secured a playoff spot, doesnt it make sense that I would hope the weakest team also make the playoffs? Makes sense to me that if I would prefer the weakest teams and I can impact which teams make it, then I should do what I can to get the weakest competition. However, even I would not play an injured player (should include a rule to prevent this) and would play my second string and send out a note explaining why I think Justin Fargas is going to go nuts this week and Westbrook sat out practice and scares me this week.
Keep this on a general strategy discussion and it can stay here. Please don't turn it into a "this one time in my league..." thing.
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GregR_2
Footballguy
When you feel that you need to create lies to explain your actions to others that are affected by them, does that not set off some sort of alarm in your head that you're acting unethically?It would me.
wraith5
Footballguy
I can't see a way in which tanking a game benefits me, but if it was there I'd definitely do it.
I can see a scenario when you look at potential playoff match-ups, and decide you'd rather play one team vs another in the first round, or maybe bump yourself to a different bracket altogether depending on how strong teams look going into the playoffs - but that's a whole lot of analysis and assumption based strictly on match-ups.
I can see a scenario when you look at potential playoff match-ups, and decide you'd rather play one team vs another in the first round, or maybe bump yourself to a different bracket altogether depending on how strong teams look going into the playoffs - but that's a whole lot of analysis and assumption based strictly on match-ups.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I don't ever tank games, mostly because of the old saying 'to be the best, ya gotta BEAT the best'..I'm not winning a title by going thru the backdoor..If I can't beat the top teams, so be it..but at least I tried.pigskinliquors said:Please answer both questions, and state your reasoning behind tanking or not tanking for both choices. What say ye?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Steeler07 said:
It cements ones inner lameness.You always play your best. Unless, of course, you are a lamer. The implications and impact to oneself go beyond fantasy football.
Steeler07 said:It cements ones inner lameness.You always play your best. Unless, of course, you are a lamer. The implications and impact to oneself go beyond fantasy football.
Agreed. Always play to win...period.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Whatever it takes to win?
Why stop there?
Drop a extra player to waivers you know could help a guy beat an opponent you need to lose if he has a high waiver priority.
Have a alternating deal with an owner each year one of you gets to win by:
1. Tank the game he plays you that year.
2. Give up close but questionable trades.
3. Strengthen and rip off opponents at the right time to knock off main competitors.
Use your imagination.
Winning is everything, right.
As a commish, I use my imagination too. Like at the end of the year when you find you're prize ineligible, not coming back, and possibly your money returned...or not, as stated in our rules at my whim.
Just play the game right. Put in your best lineup each week.
Why stop there?
Drop a extra player to waivers you know could help a guy beat an opponent you need to lose if he has a high waiver priority.
Have a alternating deal with an owner each year one of you gets to win by:
1. Tank the game he plays you that year.
2. Give up close but questionable trades.
3. Strengthen and rip off opponents at the right time to knock off main competitors.
Use your imagination.
Winning is everything, right.
As a commish, I use my imagination too. Like at the end of the year when you find you're prize ineligible, not coming back, and possibly your money returned...or not, as stated in our rules at my whim.
Just play the game right. Put in your best lineup each week.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
If you're playing to increase your odds of winning the championship, is that really tanking? Isn't the whole point to win the ENTIRE thing and not just do well in the playoffs?
Winning a season > winning a game.Steeler07 said:
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
In your eagerness to show us all how moral you are, I think you might've approached this thread with a bit of a closed mind.
Heh, I LOLed
daveandken
Footballguy
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Its a game and I play to win. If me tanking a game boots a real threat out of the picture and lets some slub team in the playoffs, then by all means yes I would tank.
Sure it is... Where is the skill in fantasy football?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
What if there were two owners in your league that were on the cusp of making the playoffs? Team A has a good team but just ran into loads of terrible luck this season. Team B is inexplicably in the playoff hunt thanks to somebody blowing up each week. If you lose, Team B will face you in the first round. If you win, Team A will face you in the first round. Which team do you feel you have a better chance against?Let's look at the teams:Team A Drew BreesADPLTTorry HoltChad JohnsonDeion BranchDallas ClarkPatriots DBironasTeam BVince YoungJesse ChatmanThomas JonesKevin CurtisSteve SmithLee EvansAlge CrumplerLions DJanikowskiWe've seen fluke things happen all the time and yes, either team could beat you. With that said, which team would you prefer to take your chances against?
daveandken
Footballguy
Luck, luck and luck...
The Redbeard
Footballguy
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
Unethical and weak. Seriously. In a make believe game, you would rather throw a week so that you keep someone out of the playoffs (who also paid their entry fee by the way) because you are scared to face another good team? If you are such a shark, how about you play every week to win - and then face the best competition to win the championship? Are you really good at fantasy football? Prove it. And spare me the "being good means taking every advantage and if the rules don't specify" excuse. When week 16 rolls around, why would I want to play the #6 seed who got lucky at every turn rather than the team that was on my tail for best record? I wanna beat my arch rival. I want to crush the team that stole some of my gems on draft night and on the waiver wire. I want people to remember that my team was well constructed, well rounded and beat all comers.
But hey, if basking in the glow of a championship you won by throwing a game to keep a deserving team out of the playoffs makes you feel awesome...
Definitely not.
Unethical and weak. Seriously. In a make believe game, you would rather throw a week so that you keep someone out of the playoffs (who also paid their entry fee by the way) because you are scared to face another good team? If you are such a shark, how about you play every week to win - and then face the best competition to win the championship? Are you really good at fantasy football? Prove it. And spare me the "being good means taking every advantage and if the rules don't specify" excuse. When week 16 rolls around, why would I want to play the #6 seed who got lucky at every turn rather than the team that was on my tail for best record? I wanna beat my arch rival. I want to crush the team that stole some of my gems on draft night and on the waiver wire. I want people to remember that my team was well constructed, well rounded and beat all comers.
But hey, if basking in the glow of a championship you won by throwing a game to keep a deserving team out of the playoffs makes you feel awesome...
daveandken
Footballguy
Wrong, wrong, wrong.I've seen many people screw up drafts by not thinking ahead. I've seen others pull off wins based solely on their skill at selling players high in trades. But great post. I love the analysis. 
And I also love how you left off the rest of the post.Why are you here if you don't think that the information you read will give you some kind of advantage?BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
H.K.
Footballguy
The FF Gods must never be angered. Throwing a game is the ultimate sin. Adandon hope for all that disobey.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I've made it to the Championship three years in a row. I'm in good shape to make it there yet again. We have another owner that is on the brink of missing out on the playoffs. Yet again.
If it's all luck that is involved, how come we keep staying in familiar places?
If it's all luck that is involved, how come we keep staying in familiar places?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I double that... the only time I would consider it is if I caught someone else tanking (leaving a blank spot or playing an injuried player)... I would 1st bring it up to the commish, if he didn't do anything about it; I would make sure an injuried player ended up in my line up.Steeler07 said:Incredibly lame.It's a hobby. Unless you're gunning for high stakes, it's pitiful.
daveandken
Footballguy
The only people who would claim that it is 100% luck are those who aren't intelligent enough to win once in a while."It can't be me, it must be luck!"Similar threads
