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By definition, yes, but I’m sure there are some who go with good intentions of being peaceful, yet get swept up into the madness and riot. Probably a pretty small percentage, but again it’s impossible to really know, since none of us can get in the heads of others to know what are their true intentions, so it’s all just speculation.
Please keep posting stuff like this, it's what we so desperately need. If this keeps up we might be able to put the "United" back in U.S.A.
), D.C. had its largest protests yet yesterday, with thousands ignoring the curfew and governors refusing Il Douché's calls for more police/National Guard. Donald's Palace Guard mostly just stood and watched (apparently the unmarked guys were from the Bureau of Prisons?) or tried to blow people away with helicopters.
Yeah, I thought about mentioning that myself, but decided to let it stand as it was written.
Then I guess all eagles fans are all guilty and every other sports team that wins or loses and ends in rioting.
If the were right wing, absolutely that is hiw this forum and the media woukd spin it.
i don't think you get to dictate the terms of how people protest. Thats not how it works. If people only protest in ways that please you, did their message really come across? Based on the Kaepernick situation, I think not.
No it wasn't. It was about people being outraged with people gathering, unless it is to riot, then it's ok. I didn't bring up the curfew strawman. Maybe there's a difference between protesting against "white supremists" and homicide by police and protesting for them?
No not me. The government. We have laws about all kinds of stuff, despite what anarchist want, including protests.
This is what I think...he is trying to normalize white supremacists protesting with protests against police violence
Agreed. It's a difficult time because I understand the viewpoint that this is a disconcerting level of protesting, which has been accompanied by looting and violence, as we are are trying to wind down a health pandemic.
100% serious. And if the Eagle fans were considered left-wing, the media (NYT, CNN, ABC, NBC) would be questioning if the act of violence was really caused by Redskin fans.
Well who do you think enforces the “curfew?” Military is last line of policing authority (and currently deployed in many precincts).
This is EXACTLY what I am referring to. You view protests from the right as "white supremacists" protesting because one guy has a sign. That is the problem with perspective. You see only what you want to see, and if you want to belittle and marginalize a group you do it by calling them "white supremacists" and don't really need any evidence.
When public safety is at stake, don't you think peaceful protestors should abide by the rules? If they don't, they are aiding and abetting.
The country (and the world) are uniting against Donald Trump and his whiny, beta-man attempts at authoritarianism. There were more protests and less looting yesterday than any day yet, and they'll be bigger yet today. The only way anything meaningful gets done is when we keep up the pressure. Don't forget that the 1968 Civil Rights Act came after a whole summer of protests.
What protests are you talking about? If it’s Charlottesville, it most certainly was a white supremacist rally. If we’re talking the COVID protests, I don’t think anyone is talking them white supremacists but feel free to point me towards the people making that argument.
One takeaway people should have from the last ~6 years of BLM protesting is that, to some, there will never be an acceptable form of protest. Not kneeling during an anthem, not marching down the streets with signs and chants, not making an encampment outside a police precinct that killed someone, not blocking freeways with peaceful assembly. All have been decried as "divisive" etc. It's really saddening that the thing that seems to have finally, maybe turned a corner toward drastic responses to legitimate grievances (at least in Twin Cities) is violence, looting, and burning.
Who's safety was at stake when Trump gassed St. John's?
Speaking from on the ground experience in Portland, I’d say more than 95% of the protesters are peaceful and are not looking to riot or cause friction. I was the PDX Portland protest last night and there were thousands and thousands of people protesting peacefully marching across the city and ending up downtown to hear speakers and activists. I’ll post some of my videos from last night.
Son of a #####. I just dropped my daughter off to go into protest with a friend. God dammit. Looks like I'm going to have to take ANOTHER day off of work to chaperone (for the record, her friend's dad will be with them; but . . . she's my baby girl, so would feel more comfortable being there).
I'm pretty sure we can use the 99:1 rule...it's a little better than the 80:20 rule. I appreciate the desire not to generalize, but here it seems rather appropriate. Most logical assumptions based on actions will get you 99% accuracy. I'm good with that.
It is a tactic that is commonly used in the media to seek out the most extremist person at a right-wing rally and try to characterize the whole group in those terms.
I think it's highly unusual for former Presidents to speak up on political matters, but there is a vacuum of leadership at the moment that is also unprecedented in a perilous moment in our nation's history (which is why President Bush spoke up yesterday). I doubt he's literally hiding in a bunker, but the only things Trump has said have been on Twitter or after gassing peaceful protesters so he could say he supports peaceful protests.
When...when has that happened jon. Be specific...cite it please. Rather than this generalization of media and the left doing so.
See how ridiculous the tactic is. Trump is just doing exactly what the media has been doing for decades. I am glad we can agree how ridiculous it is.
Doesn't answer the question....what protests have we seen the yield the behavior you are describing? And when you say "we" in this forum, it reads as if you're talking about this forum. I'd like to know who you're talking about or events you're talking about where this forum has behaved that way.....tia
It's a tough job because it's hard to figure out who is the "most extremist" person in a sea of them.
Wait until the Antifa gang here finds out they are part of "the left" and Antifa group is part of "the right"
well, sure. Ideally, protests are heard and if the protestors gripe is legitimate, a substantial change is made.
Trump, the AG, many posters on this thread...some others who claim all the violence was because of left wing people?
I’ll be honest, I don’t care for it. I think religious institutions have a right to be furious that the President used the church as a prop the way he did, but this statement is clearly political rather than spiritual. If someone representing a religious body is commenting publicly, I think it would be best to express anger and address the inappropriateness and exactly why it was such a wrong thing to do rather than attack him in a political way. Doing it the way it was done actually costs him credibility IMO.
I deleted my post because the twitter announcement wasn't quite accurate. He's going to host a virtual town hall with others where he will speak about it publicly.
