Another school shooting (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

So basically the countless experts...psychiatrists, psychologists, behavioral scientists, counselors, doctors, law enforcement officers, teachers, social workers, etc...who have been trying to figure out the cause(s) behind these horrible tragedies for decades have been wasting their time.

Yet some internet rockhead has it all figured out. All we need to do is to start beating the ever-loving #### out of kids when they misbehave.

Did I get that right?

Close. There's two of them, not one.

 

[Daywalker]

Isn't it fairly common for suicides to come in clusters? It gets in the psyche of a group.

Are more teenagers going on these rampages then 40-year-olds? I know younger people are more violent but is the discrepancy larger then you would think?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I do think thr

Isn't it fairly common for suicides to come in clusters? It gets in the psyche of a group.

Are more teenagers going on these rampages then 40-year-olds? I know younger people are more violent but is the discrepancy larger then you would think?

I think there have been studies that have shown that when suicides are highly publicized, it does indeed lead to an uptick in suicides in general.

I've been saying for a while that the extensive media coverage of these things contributes to more of them happening. I doubt that most of these kids would have ever thought about going into school and shooting a bunch of people if the seed hadn't been planted from the news. At the worst, the kid would probably go hunt down the one kid that they blame for whatever and go after that one kid at their house.

And it always bugs me that the media gives a ton of coverage and attention to the murderer and very little to their victims. I truly believe that if these events had been treated as local tragedies, left out of the national news, and any media coverage refused to discuss the killer, that there would be a lot less of these types of murders.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Yeah OK. Obviously that will never happen. Any other ideas? I've got nothing.

Armed guard on campus.

Maybe schools around you are different, but schools I'm familiar with tend to either be multiple buildings (usually built across multiple decades) or multiple floors or both. In Baltimore County there is a "resource officer" at every public school and yet . So absent a dozen or so arm guards at the types of schools I'm familiar with this doesn't matter much at all.

In fact many of the schools around here are multiple buildings where you need to exit one building to the outside to enter another (not to mention the "temporary" trailers to deal with overcrowding) so a single entrance isn't going to work either.

 

[timschochet]

I do think thr

Isn't it fairly common for suicides to come in clusters? It gets in the psyche of a group.

Are more teenagers going on these rampages then 40-year-olds? I know younger people are more violent but is the discrepancy larger then you would think?

I think there have been studies that have shown that when suicides are highly publicized, it does indeed lead to an uptick in suicides in general.I've been saying for a while that the extensive media coverage of these things contributes to more of them happening. I doubt that most of these kids would have ever thought about going into school and shooting a bunch of people if the seed hadn't been planted from the news. At the worst, the kid would probably go hunt down the one kid that they blame for whatever and go after that one kid at their house.

And it always bugs me that the media gives a ton of coverage and attention to the murderer and very little to their victims. I truly believe that if these events had been treated as local tragedies, left out of the national news, and any media coverage refused to discuss the killer, that there would be a lot less of these types of murders.

i don't disagree, but the problem is if you have two TV stations, one that focuses on the killer, and the other that focuses on the victims, I'm guessing the public would be inclined to watch the first one by a large margin.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I do think thr

Isn't it fairly common for suicides to come in clusters? It gets in the psyche of a group.

Are more teenagers going on these rampages then 40-year-olds? I know younger people are more violent but is the discrepancy larger then you would think?

I think there have been studies that have shown that when suicides are highly publicized, it does indeed lead to an uptick in suicides in general.I've been saying for a while that the extensive media coverage of these things contributes to more of them happening. I doubt that most of these kids would have ever thought about going into school and shooting a bunch of people if the seed hadn't been planted from the news. At the worst, the kid would probably go hunt down the one kid that they blame for whatever and go after that one kid at their house.

And it always bugs me that the media gives a ton of coverage and attention to the murderer and very little to their victims. I truly believe that if these events had been treated as local tragedies, left out of the national news, and any media coverage refused to discuss the killer, that there would be a lot less of these types of murders.

i don't disagree, but the problem is if you have two TV stations, one that focuses on the killer, and the other that focuses on the victims, I'm guessing the public would be inclined to watch the first one by a large margin.

I don't disagree. I think it goes to the heart of the root issue in that it's really a cultural issue.

I do think it's a pretty big indictment of the idea that the press is some sort of noble crusader or whatever romantic view they want us to believe of the media. It's not really about making the world a better place, it's about catering to the public's base desires.

 

[CurlyNight]

I do think thr

Isn't it fairly common for suicides to come in clusters? It gets in the psyche of a group.

Are more teenagers going on these rampages then 40-year-olds? I know younger people are more violent but is the discrepancy larger then you would think?

I think there have been studies that have shown that when suicides are highly publicized, it does indeed lead to an uptick in suicides in general.I've been saying for a while that the extensive media coverage of these things contributes to more of them happening. I doubt that most of these kids would have ever thought about going into school and shooting a bunch of people if the seed hadn't been planted from the news. At the worst, the kid would probably go hunt down the one kid that they blame for whatever and go after that one kid at their house.

And it always bugs me that the media gives a ton of coverage and attention to the murderer and very little to their victims. I truly believe that if these events had been treated as local tragedies, left out of the national news, and any media coverage refused to discuss the killer, that there would be a lot less of these types of murders.

i don't disagree, but the problem is if you have two TV stations, one that focuses on the killer, and the other that focuses on the victims, I'm guessing the public would be inclined to watch the first one by a large margin.

You don't need 2 tv stations. CNN alone flip flopped. They released the name of the killer a few times in the afternoon and talked about him then in the evening segment, Anderson is saying they won't reveal the name of the killer. Ummm, your station already did!

I am one who is interested in what goes through the minds and learning about what makes people tick and all. Goes with my psychology degree of always being interested in the human mind. It is very surprising to all who aren't in the field that here you have a kid that is popular and well liked, very nice and sociable, and on the football team who did this. So opposite of what has been the profile of these mass shooting kids thus far. Message is you just don't know what may be going on in a kid's mind. It's all in how he interprets his situation and doesn't necessarily need to be mentally ill in the clinical sense of the term to carry such a horrific tragedy out.

Internet is also just as key as tv stations. We learned of the killer's name and had a link to his fb page and twitter feed right here before it was released on tv, from someone posting it on the internet and people searching. People want to know about the killer for whatever their reason is: personal fascination to clinical research to whatever. It happens enough to be very concerned yet it doesn't happen a lot in terms of # of killers vs the population of kids in schools.

I would venture a bet that kids are on the internet far more than in front of the tv. The kids in my family live on their phones/internet and rarely watch tv. I'm guessing in most households, this is the case. So with technology, news will get out and tv news stations don't want to miss out.

 

[CurlyNight]

Former Columbine principal on CNN now. Great idea for all schools to implement, they have a system where kids can anonymously give their concerns they see however small. Says got in front of 8 kids who turned out had every intention of carrying out their thoughts.

 

[cstu]

New report on Lanza.

 

[CurlyNight]

New report on Lanza.

wow... !