anti-westbrook? (1 Viewer)

[puffkit]

i am not that high on westbrook this year...at least for a top 6 pick...which is where i see him ranked mostly. he has durability issues and there is a real risk of hunt vulturing tds. also with garcia gone if (when) mcnabb goes down, defenses will not respect feeley much. also play one of the toughtest schedules (for rb). any support in this or prove me wrong............

 

[Sea Bass]

No support, you are simply wrong!

He is a central figure in a high powered offense. If you want to bank on injuries to Westbrook and McNabb that is your choice.

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

i am not that high on westbrook this year...at least for a top 6 pick...which is where i see him ranked mostly. he has durability issues and there is a real risk of hunt vulturing tds. also with garcia gone if (when) mcnabb goes down, defenses will not respect feeley much. also play one of the toughtest schedules (for rb). any support in this or prove me wrong............

Westy was vultured last year in short yardage. The eagles barely run any way when there within the 10 yard line. They make Westbrook a reciever and try to create mismatches.

 

[Chaser1439]

i am not that high on westbrook this year...at least for a top 6 pick...which is where i see him ranked mostly. he has durability issues and there is a real risk of hunt vulturing tds. also with garcia gone if (when) mcnabb goes down, defenses will not respect feeley much. also play one of the toughtest schedules (for rb). any support in this or prove me wrong............

it sounds like you got rid of Westy in a trade and your trying to justify getting rid of him. If westy stays healthy for 14 games this year, and you are in a PPR league, he is the 4th best running back you can select/have.

 

[bcr8f]

i am not that high on westbrook this year...at least for a top 6 pick...which is where i see him ranked mostly. he has durability issues and there is a real risk of hunt vulturing tds. also with garcia gone if (when) mcnabb goes down, defenses will not respect feeley much. also play one of the toughtest schedules (for rb). any support in this or prove me wrong............

it sounds like you got rid of Westy in a trade and your trying to justify getting rid of him. If westy stays healthy for 14 games this year, and you are in a PPR league, he is the 4th best running back you can select/have.

He was nice at 1.09 in a .5 PPR league.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

He was nice at 1.09 in a .5 PPR league.

Was pleased with getting him at 1.10 in a non ppr, 16 teamer.

 

[Bruno Tataglia]

The guy is so dynamic, but you always worry about his size.

 

[JMJ]

Besides just the fact that Andy Reid knows Westbrook is his only real offensive weapon, this also helps explain why Westbrook did not play much (1 carry) in last night's preseason game:

Late arrival: Running back Brian Westbrook was spotted on a morning flight from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh Sunday. The rest of the team arrived in the Steel City on Saturday.

Eagles representative Bob Lange said that Westbrook had been excused from the team flight for personal reasons. The Eagles' running back was, in fact, in the starting lineup against the Steelers, but he only carried the ball once for two yards.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Besides just the fact that Andy Reid knows Westbrook is his only real offensive weapon, this also helps explain why Westbrook did not play much (1 carry) in last night's preseason game:

Late arrival: Running back Brian Westbrook was spotted on a morning flight from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh Sunday. The rest of the team arrived in the Steel City on Saturday.

Eagles representative Bob Lange said that Westbrook had been excused from the team flight for personal reasons. The Eagles' running back was, in fact, in the starting lineup against the Steelers, but he only carried the ball once for two yards.

he oversees some dog fighting operations out of pitt. -- sometimes it conflicts with practiceanyway, last season westbrook's numbers LEAPED up compared to years past. if you think he can reproduce those numbers, he's certainly worthy of top 6 pick. if you think he'll be somewhere between last season and his 05 season, he's still a first rounder. if you don't want to depend on him cuz he might not be around when it counts, let him slide.

 

[JMJ]

Besides just the fact that Andy Reid knows Westbrook is his only real offensive weapon, this also helps explain why Westbrook did not play much (1 carry) in last night's preseason game:

Late arrival: Running back Brian Westbrook was spotted on a morning flight from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh Sunday. The rest of the team arrived in the Steel City on Saturday.

Eagles representative Bob Lange said that Westbrook had been excused from the team flight for personal reasons. The Eagles' running back was, in fact, in the starting lineup against the Steelers, but he only carried the ball once for two yards.

he oversees some dog fighting operations out of pitt. -- sometimes it conflicts with practiceanyway, last season westbrook's numbers LEAPED up compared to years past. if you think he can reproduce those numbers, he's certainly worthy of top 6 pick. if you think he'll be somewhere between last season and his 05 season, he's still a first rounder. if you don't want to depend on him cuz he might not be around when it counts, let him slide.

Exactly what I feel. Although, I know that him reproducing his numbers from last year are definitely possible. He is simply that talented. If you watch him run with the ball, make cuts on a dime, follow his blockers, create blocks for his blockers, etc. The guy is simply that good and Philly's only real weapon on offense.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The only question on Westbrook is whether he'll actually play every game or not. He's a top 5 RB as long as he's playing. So you'd better have decent #2 and #3 RBs that you can count on behind him.

I probably won't have him in any redraft leagues because I wouldn't really be comfortable with him as my #1. If he stays healthy the entire year, he's a guy that you could ride to the championship. But it's definitely a gamble on whether or not he'll stay healthy. He's a true boom or bust pick IMO.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The only question on Westbrook is whether he'll actually play every game or not. He's a top 5 RB as long as he's playing. So you'd better have decent #2 and #3 RBs that you can count on behind him.I probably won't have him in any redraft leagues because I wouldn't really be comfortable with him as my #1. If he stays healthy the entire year, he's a guy that you could ride to the championship. But it's definitely a gamble on whether or not he'll stay healthy. He's a true boom or bust pick IMO.

I agree that he misses games due to injury. But if you really look at it, he doesn't miss that many.2002: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2003: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2004: Played 13 games (missed 1 due to injury, 2 DNP Coaches decisions)2005: Played 12 games (missed 4 due to injury)2006: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)So in his 5 year career he's missed 8 regular season games due to injury. Apart from 2005, It's not like he's missing big chunks of time.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

The only question on Westbrook is whether he'll actually play every game or not. He's a top 5 RB as long as he's playing. So you'd better have decent #2 and #3 RBs that you can count on behind him.I probably won't have him in any redraft leagues because I wouldn't really be comfortable with him as my #1. If he stays healthy the entire year, he's a guy that you could ride to the championship. But it's definitely a gamble on whether or not he'll stay healthy. He's a true boom or bust pick IMO.

I agree that he misses games due to injury. But if you really look at it, he doesn't miss that many.2002: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2003: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2004: Played 13 games (missed 1 due to injury, 2 DNP Coaches decisions)2005: Played 12 games (missed 4 due to injury)2006: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)So in his 5 year career he's missed 8 regular season games due to injury. Apart from 2005, It's not like he's missing big chunks of time.

this isn't entirely accurate. playing in a game often involves getting a carry in the opening drive, and coming out of the game early to avoid further swelling. i think it'd be best to list the number of games that he received at least 10 touches as a more accurate indicator of time missed due to injury. (because, let's face it, if he's healthy he's gonna get at least 10 touches in a game)

 

[Snotbubbles]

The only question on Westbrook is whether he'll actually play every game or not. He's a top 5 RB as long as he's playing. So you'd better have decent #2 and #3 RBs that you can count on behind him.I probably won't have him in any redraft leagues because I wouldn't really be comfortable with him as my #1. If he stays healthy the entire year, he's a guy that you could ride to the championship. But it's definitely a gamble on whether or not he'll stay healthy. He's a true boom or bust pick IMO.

I agree that he misses games due to injury. But if you really look at it, he doesn't miss that many.2002: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2003: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2004: Played 13 games (missed 1 due to injury, 2 DNP Coaches decisions)2005: Played 12 games (missed 4 due to injury)2006: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)So in his 5 year career he's missed 8 regular season games due to injury. Apart from 2005, It's not like he's missing big chunks of time.

this isn't entirely accurate. playing in a game often involves getting a carry in the opening drive, and coming out of the game early to avoid further swelling. i think it'd be best to list the number of games that he received at least 10 touches as a more accurate indicator of time missed due to injury. (because, let's face it, if he's healthy he's gonna get at least 10 touches in a game)

I assume you would only apply that from 2004 on. Since in 2002 he was a rookie and didn't see the field much and in 2003 he was part of the three-headed monster (with Buckhalter and Staley).From 2004-2006 he got less than 10 touches in 2 games.The first was in 2004 against PIT. Which I agree he was limited due to injury.The second was in 2005 against DAL. But in that game the Eagles were down 14-0 quickly and never utilized Westbrook. He didn't get 10 touches but it wasn't because of injury.

 

[runDMCnabb]

I think Westbrook gets a bad rap as far as the injuries are concerned. I love Frank Gore, but I shake my head at the inconsistency of owners who are overly concerned with Westbrook, yet completely ignore the laundry list that Frank Gore has already accumulated at the age of 24 (Knees, shoulders, hands, groin). Both can play, so both should be drafted early.

As for his size, he's certainly not LJ, but he's also not Sproules. He's the same size as Tiki and I think an inch shorter than Reggie Bush.

The entire offense hinges on Westbrook. If you don't have faith in him, don't even bother with Reggie Brown, Kevin Curtis, or LJ Smith. The Eagles WR's are a collection of #2's to put it kindly. But with Westbrook in there, the offense's ceiling in the NFC is only exceeded by the Saints.

 

[Sweetness_34]

The only question on Westbrook is whether he'll actually play every game or not. He's a top 5 RB as long as he's playing. So you'd better have decent #2 and #3 RBs that you can count on behind him.I probably won't have him in any redraft leagues because I wouldn't really be comfortable with him as my #1. If he stays healthy the entire year, he's a guy that you could ride to the championship. But it's definitely a gamble on whether or not he'll stay healthy. He's a true boom or bust pick IMO.

I agree that he misses games due to injury. But if you really look at it, he doesn't miss that many.2002: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2003: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2004: Played 13 games (missed 1 due to injury, 2 DNP Coaches decisions)2005: Played 12 games (missed 4 due to injury)2006: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)So in his 5 year career he's missed 8 regular season games due to injury. Apart from 2005, It's not like he's missing big chunks of time.

And what is funny is these same people will run to draft Travis Henry without counting how many games he has missed in the same span.

 

[wraith5]

i am not that high on westbrook this year...at least for a top 6 pick...which is where i see him ranked mostly. he has durability issues and there is a real risk of hunt vulturing tds. also with garcia gone if (when) mcnabb goes down, defenses will not respect feeley much. also play one of the toughtest schedules (for rb). any support in this or prove me wrong............

Last year CBuck had 6 goal line carries and 2 TDs v. Westy's 7 carries and 2 TDs. So if you were to assume the same number of total goalline carries this year, WORST case is that Westbrook gives up 2 TDs. More likely, Hunt would take CBucks carries or a combination thereof. The vulture theory is not a concern for me.Injury risk is a concern, but in my league Westbrook put up 5 points per game more than anyone but LT, SJax, LJ and Gore (still 3pts ahead of him). If I can get that kind of production for 75% of my games, I'm more likely to have wins in those games. I'll take it. Anything beyond that is frosting on the Championship Cake.

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

The only question on Westbrook is whether he'll actually play every game or not. He's a top 5 RB as long as he's playing. So you'd better have decent #2 and #3 RBs that you can count on behind him.I probably won't have him in any redraft leagues because I wouldn't really be comfortable with him as my #1. If he stays healthy the entire year, he's a guy that you could ride to the championship. But it's definitely a gamble on whether or not he'll stay healthy. He's a true boom or bust pick IMO.

I agree that he misses games due to injury. But if you really look at it, he doesn't miss that many.2002: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2003: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)2004: Played 13 games (missed 1 due to injury, 2 DNP Coaches decisions)2005: Played 12 games (missed 4 due to injury)2006: Played 15 games (missed 1 due to injury)So in his 5 year career he's missed 8 regular season games due to injury. Apart from 2005, It's not like he's missing big chunks of time.

And what is funny is these same people will run to draft Travis Henry without counting how many games he has missed in the same span.

Have both Henry and Westy on my team.

 

[SSOG]

Besides just the fact that Andy Reid knows Westbrook is his only real offensive weapon, this also helps explain why Westbrook did not play much (1 carry) in last night's preseason game:

Late arrival: Running back Brian Westbrook was spotted on a morning flight from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh Sunday. The rest of the team arrived in the Steel City on Saturday.

Eagles representative Bob Lange said that Westbrook had been excused from the team flight for personal reasons. The Eagles' running back was, in fact, in the starting lineup against the Steelers, but he only carried the ball once for two yards.

he oversees some dog fighting operations out of pitt. -- sometimes it conflicts with practiceanyway, last season westbrook's numbers LEAPED up compared to years past. if you think he can reproduce those numbers, he's certainly worthy of top 6 pick. if you think he'll be somewhere between last season and his 05 season, he's still a first rounder. if you don't want to depend on him cuz he might not be around when it counts, let him slide.

Ummm... no they didn't.Yards per rush- 5.2, 4.6, 4.0 (battling injury), 5.1. Nothing out of line there (outside of his 2005 season).

Yards per reception- 9.0, 9.6, 10.1, 9.1. Seems pretty consistent there, too.

TDs per touch- 1 per 14, 1 per 28, 1 per 31, 1 per 29. First year was amazing, but last year was right smack dab in line with the rest of his career.

Yards per game- 63, 117, 103, 127. Yeah, a slight jump up there, but hardly a *LEAP* upwards.

Games played- 15, 13, 12, 15. Pretty much par for the course.

The only number that really LEAPED up by any stretch of the imagination was his total carries (up to 16 per game from his previous career high of 13.6 per game, which barely qualifies as a leap). There are a couple of theories for that, (change in Reid's philosophy, switch to Marty as a playcaller, recognition of Westy's skill running the ball, dreck at RB behind him)... but as far as I know, nothing has changed from any of those theories. If Reid's philosophy changed, there's no reason for it to change back. Morninwheg is still calling plays, Westy's still a talented runner, and the RBs behind him are pretty much the same this year as last year. No matter what theory you believe, there's no reason to think Westy is going to see a drop in rushing attempts this year. And since every single other number was perfectly in line with his career averages, there's no reason at all to expect a significant regression from last season.

Now, if you want to downgrade Westy because he's an injury risk, be my guest, but allow me to first introduce you to a classic article by Doug Drinen titled everybody is an injury risk. According to that article, an RB who has played in 32 straight games over the last two seasons will average 14 games played next year. Over the last 4 years, Brian Westbrook has played in an average of 13.75 games per year. He's actually stayed remarkably healthy, about as healthy as you would have expected of even the most iron-man of RBs.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Besides just the fact that Andy Reid knows Westbrook is his only real offensive weapon, this also helps explain why Westbrook did not play much (1 carry) in last night's preseason game:

Late arrival: Running back Brian Westbrook was spotted on a morning flight from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh Sunday. The rest of the team arrived in the Steel City on Saturday.

Eagles representative Bob Lange said that Westbrook had been excused from the team flight for personal reasons. The Eagles' running back was, in fact, in the starting lineup against the Steelers, but he only carried the ball once for two yards.

he oversees some dog fighting operations out of pitt. -- sometimes it conflicts with practiceanyway, last season westbrook's numbers LEAPED up compared to years past. if you think he can reproduce those numbers, he's certainly worthy of top 6 pick. if you think he'll be somewhere between last season and his 05 season, he's still a first rounder. if you don't want to depend on him cuz he might not be around when it counts, let him slide.

Ummm... no they didn't.Yards per rush- 5.2, 4.6, 4.0 (battling injury), 5.1. Nothing out of line there (outside of his 2005 season).

Yards per reception- 9.0, 9.6, 10.1, 9.1. Seems pretty consistent there, too.

TDs per touch- 1 per 14, 1 per 28, 1 per 31, 1 per 29. First year was amazing, but last year was right smack dab in line with the rest of his career.

Yards per game- 63, 117, 103, 127. Yeah, a slight jump up there, but hardly a *LEAP* upwards.

Games played- 15, 13, 12, 15. Pretty much par for the course.

The only number that really LEAPED up by any stretch of the imagination was his total carries (up to 16 per game from his previous career high of 13.6 per game, which barely qualifies as a leap). There are a couple of theories for that, (change in Reid's philosophy, switch to Marty as a playcaller, recognition of Westy's skill running the ball, dreck at RB behind him)... but as far as I know, nothing has changed from any of those theories. If Reid's philosophy changed, there's no reason for it to change back. Morninwheg is still calling plays, Westy's still a talented runner, and the RBs behind him are pretty much the same this year as last year. No matter what theory you believe, there's no reason to think Westy is going to see a drop in rushing attempts this year. And since every single other number was perfectly in line with his career averages, there's no reason at all to expect a significant regression from last season.

Now, if you want to downgrade Westy because he's an injury risk, be my guest, but allow me to first introduce you to a classic article by Doug Drinen titled everybody is an injury risk. According to that article, an RB who has played in 32 straight games over the last two seasons will average 14 games played next year. Over the last 4 years, Brian Westbrook has played in an average of 13.75 games per year. He's actually stayed remarkably healthy, about as healthy as you would have expected of even the most iron-man of RBs.

This is the point is was trying to make. Plus 2 of the games he didn't play in in 2004 were coaches decisions since Philly already had a bye locked up by week 14 and home field advantage locked up by week 15, the coaches sat him weeks 16 and 17 along with a bunch of other players to make sure he'd be fresh for the playoffs.