Define "winner".Dallas made the playoffs with him on the team.has he ever played for a winner?
oh yeah? Hmm thought he left just before teams won. Oh wellDefine "winner".Dallas made the playoffs with him on the team.has he ever played for a winner?
Better than nothing though.........If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
Is it that bad in SF? :(Better than nothing though.........If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
has he ever played for a winner?
Antonio Bryant + 3rd and 4th Rounders > Lloyd. And I like Lloyd's talent, but given the headaches he was causing in SF, I think this is a great move by the 9ers.If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
You have no idea....Is it that bad in SF? :(Better than nothing though.........If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
I would imagine The Tuna would argue that ABryant is one huge headache. It looks like Nolan and Company are now desperate for WR help. ABryant might be an average #2 in the NFL, but a #1 I doubt. Add his history of off the field problems and this looks like a bad sign. These idiots need a plan (Dr. York you suck). Nolan may be an OK coach, but at the rate the team is "rebuilding," he will not be around to enjoy the fruits of his labor. I see another 4-12 type season.Antonio Bryant + 3rd and 4th Rounders > Lloyd. And I like Lloyd's talent, but given the headaches he was causing in SF, I think this is a great move by the 9ers.If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
Definately. Both moves were solid. As for his fantasy value, no serious change. He's playing for yet another new team but he has also gotten better each year. Smith is in his second year and should show considerable improvement unless he's one of those who just doesnt have what it takes. Bryant had neither a great QB nor a pass heavy offense in Cleveland.49er management got bashed by the know-nothings over the Lloyd deal, where they got 2 mid-round picks for a team annoyance/2nd-rate receiver.
I'm sure they'll get bashed by the same folks for this signing of a much better player because of the Parcells incident 2 years ago.
Bryant >> Lloyd, no question, plus they have the two picks to help rebuild.
IIRC He threw his jersey at TunaI would imagine The Tuna would argue that ABryant is one huge headache.
That was the last straw. Things were building for a couple weeks.IIRC He threw his jersey at TunaI would imagine The Tuna would argue that ABryant is one huge headache.
don't forget Joey J!!If true, this hurts the Browns big. Their top 2 receivers are now Dennis Northcutt and Frisman Jackson.
Yes, I know, what about Edwards? He'll be ready mid-season at best and even then, who knows?
Chad Jackson in the draft, anyone?
Oh yeah, he did just sign, didn't he? He's definitely not a #1, but a decent #2, and great #3.And Winslow will be back, but who knows what that's worth now.don't forget Joey J!!If true, this hurts the Browns big. Their top 2 receivers are now Dennis Northcutt and Frisman Jackson.
Yes, I know, what about Edwards? He'll be ready mid-season at best and even then, who knows?
Chad Jackson in the draft, anyone?
Isn't the Soldier on schedule to be ready for the start of the season?If true, this hurts the Browns big. Their top 2 receivers are now Dennis Northcutt and Frisman Jackson.
Yes, I know, what about Edwards? He'll be ready mid-season at best and even then, who knows?
Chad Jackson in the draft, anyone?
Antonio Bryant + 3rd and 4th Rounders > Lloyd. And I like Lloyd's talent, but given the headaches he was causing in SF, I think this is a great move by the 9ers.If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
Romeo draft a WR with Ngata, Greenway, Jimmy Williams or Bunkley on the board? I doubt it.It all depends on how the team feels about Edwards and Winslow's recovery. If they are on schedule for a full recovery then they don't need to draft a WR, at least early. I wouldn't be surprised to see them draft Moss if he slipped to them in the 2nd or a WR in the 3rd.If true, this hurts the Browns big. Their top 2 receivers are now Dennis Northcutt and Frisman Jackson.
Yes, I know, what about Edwards? He'll be ready mid-season at best and even then, who knows?
Chad Jackson in the draft, anyone?
That's one of the questions that I have: "What is Ted Washington's role?"If they feel he's still an every down NT, even at 38, then there's no need for Bunkley or Ngata. And there's rumors of them taking looks at some FA linebackers.Romeo draft a WR with Ngata, Greenway, Jimmy Williams or Bunkley on the board? I doubt it.It all depends on how the team feels about Edwards and Winslow's recovery. If they are on schedule for a full recovery then they don't need to draft a WR, at least early. I wouldn't be surprised to see them draft Moss if he slipped to them in the 2nd or a WR in the 3rd.If true, this hurts the Browns big. Their top 2 receivers are now Dennis Northcutt and Frisman Jackson.
Yes, I know, what about Edwards? He'll be ready mid-season at best and even then, who knows?
Chad Jackson in the draft, anyone?
Smith, if you believe Lloyd gave you a headache, just wait. Bryant is going to make you wish you'd kept Lloyd. I can't believe what I'm reading on the thread, this is insane. It seems that people are looking at his talent, this is one case in which the package out weighs the product. He may give you a game or two when he'll get 100+ yds and maybe a TD or two, then 5 or 6 games of 15-70 yds and 0 TDs. I wish SF good luck with this one, the good Lord knows you'll need it.Antonio Bryant + 3rd and 4th Rounders > Lloyd. And I like Lloyd's talent, but given the headaches he was causing in SF, I think this is a great move by the 9ers.If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
I don't have the link here, but word is that Lavar Arrington is visiting Cleveland.That's one of the questions that I have: "What is Ted Washington's role?"If they feel he's still an every down NT, even at 38, then there's no need for Bunkley or Ngata. And there's rumors of them taking looks at some FA linebackers.Romeo draft a WR with Ngata, Greenway, Jimmy Williams or Bunkley on the board? I doubt it.It all depends on how the team feels about Edwards and Winslow's recovery. If they are on schedule for a full recovery then they don't need to draft a WR, at least early. I wouldn't be surprised to see them draft Moss if he slipped to them in the 2nd or a WR in the 3rd.If true, this hurts the Browns big. Their top 2 receivers are now Dennis Northcutt and Frisman Jackson.
Yes, I know, what about Edwards? He'll be ready mid-season at best and even then, who knows?
Chad Jackson in the draft, anyone?
From what I've heard about both of them, Lloyd is a much bigger problem than Bryant. Lloyd has been a locker room cancer but Bryant was mostly fine once he got to Cleveland and learning not to throw his shirt at the coach.Smith, if you believe Lloyd gave you a headache, just wait. Bryant is going to make you wish you'd kept Lloyd. I can't believe what I'm reading on the thread, this is insane. It seems that people are looking at his talent, this is one case in which the package out weighs the product. He may give you a game or two when he'll get 100+ yds and maybe a TD or two, then 5 or 6 games of 15-70 yds and 0 TDs. I wish SF good luck with this one, the good Lord knows you'll need it.Antonio Bryant + 3rd and 4th Rounders > Lloyd. And I like Lloyd's talent, but given the headaches he was causing in SF, I think this is a great move by the 9ers.If you guys think this is a good signing, your in for a rude awakening. He will not see that 5yrs in SF, mark it.
Crennel is clearly attempting to recreate the Ravens and Bucs Super Bowl teams by building through defense and running the ball. WR doesn't seem to be the focus of the offense and they already have their premier WR if he comes back healthy.Northcutt and Juravicious are serviceable players at least until Edwards comes back. Winslow could be huge if he truely recovered. Drafting a WR now to eventually play opposite Edwards should still be in their minds but its not a major neccessity in the age of free agency.
He's also the guy that was ZERO problem (as far as I know) for Cleveland the last two years where he went 58/812/4 (in 8 games) and 69/1009/4.Randy Moss is a punk, too. But talent is talent (no, Bryant <> Moss) and being a punk only docks you so much in the NFL where you're surrounded by other punks.Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but in case you don't remember, Bryant is the guy who threw his jersey in Bill parcell's face. He was promptly shipped out of Dallas. this kid is a mjor talent who would have been a first round pick if here weren't a complete punk. That is all he is, a punk.
Good call. I think Nolan will have to resist his urge as a former DC to take Hawk and go with VD, who will do wonders for the entire team. Playmaker. Matchup problem. Security blanket for Smith. If Johnson is healthy, SF can actually throw or run out of two TE sets unlike last year. VD is a great fit.More interesting will be when the 49ers, theoretically, draft Vernon Davis.
Given Davis and Bryant, Alex Smith will be given a better opportunity to show that he's worth the #1.
It would seem that San Fran and VD go together like punch and pie.Good call. I think Nolan will have to resist his urge as a former DC to take Hawk and go with VD, who will do wonders for the entire team. Playmaker. Matchup problem. Security blanket for Smith. If Johnson is healthy, SF can actually throw or run out of two TE sets unlike last year. VD is a great fit.More interesting will be when the 49ers, theoretically, draft Vernon Davis.
Given Davis and Bryant, Alex Smith will be given a better opportunity to show that he's worth the #1.
You're right, he was a punk and Parcells did the right thing getting rid of him. However, he seems to have learned from it and grown up.Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but in case you don't remember, Bryant is the guy who threw his jersey in Bill parcell's face. He was promptly shipped out of Dallas. this kid is a mjor talent who would have been a first round pick if here weren't a complete punk. That is all he is, a punk.
Wasn't he WR1 last year?Bryant = lock for 90 receptions as the WR1
Yeah, seems like SF got a better player at WR for far less $$ and added two draft picks. Not bad at all....
Eric Johnson is in the final year of his contract and is due $2.2M this year. I'm expecting him to get cut and the 49ers to get VD.Good call. I think Nolan will have to resist his urge as a former DC to take Hawk and go with VD, who will do wonders for the entire team. Playmaker. Matchup problem. Security blanket for Smith. If Johnson is healthy, SF can actually throw or run out of two TE sets unlike last year. VD is a great fit.More interesting will be when the 49ers, theoretically, draft Vernon Davis.
Given Davis and Bryant, Alex Smith will be given a better opportunity to show that he's worth the #1.
sort of...one would think for that kind of money he is the clear #1 now.Wasn't he WR1 last year?Bryant = lock for 90 receptions as the WR1
I would target say 65/1000/5Tds i.e. a repeat of 2005 and do flips if he got anything more.Bryant = lock for 90 receptions as the WR1
If EJ isnt' healthy, then I expect them to release him. BUT if he is healthy, EJ and VD would be a nice pair of TE's.Eric Johnson is in the final year of his contract and is due $2.2M this year. I'm expecting him to get cut and the 49ers to get VD.Good call. I think Nolan will have to resist his urge as a former DC to take Hawk and go with VD, who will do wonders for the entire team. Playmaker. Matchup problem. Security blanket for Smith. If Johnson is healthy, SF can actually throw or run out of two TE sets unlike last year. VD is a great fit.More interesting will be when the 49ers, theoretically, draft Vernon Davis.
Given Davis and Bryant, Alex Smith will be given a better opportunity to show that he's worth the #1.