Antonio Gates (1 Viewer)

[WildGeneral]

I drafted Gates in 2 of my leagues in the late 3rd/early 4th rounds for obvious reasons.

After week 2, a lot of owners were panicking and I was thinking that the Chargers really didn't use Gates in those games (as much as they could have) because they didn't need to...

After today, I'm beginning to panic, myself. Should I be worried...or...will they find a way to work him into the offense a little more than they have been? Are Gates owners doomed because Rivers is a rookie QB and the coaching staff isn't going to let him make mistakes through the air?

 

[Righetti]

Antonio Gates' receptions have all gone to Colston

i'm serious

 

[Cowboys#1]

from what i saw of the game (wasnt much was flipping to the cowboys and colts games) rivers does target gates a fair amount, but he doesnt key on anyone (maybe tomlinson more than everyone else, but no WR's)

we all know gates is talented, teams are game planning to stop him as well.. as the year progresses i expect his #'s to go up.

BUY LOW if you can!

 

[Capella]

What are you going to do about it? You're stuck with him. Panic all you want, if he's on your team you have to start him, and you can't trade him because you won't get fair value.

 

[Despyzer]

from what i saw of the game (wasnt much was flipping to the cowboys and colts games) rivers does target gates a fair amount, but he doesnt key on anyone (maybe tomlinson more than everyone else, but no WR's)we all know gates is talented, teams are game planning to stop him as well.. as the year progresses i expect his #'s to go up. BUY LOW if you can!

Agreed. Gates is getting targetted (including two in the end zone the last two games).

 

[TwinTurbo]

Rivers has been averaging only around 15 completions per game so far. Gates isn't going to have huge production unless SD starts passing it downfield more. But so far, they have run a very conservative Martyball offense.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I said this in another thread, but I am starting to think Brees made Gates. Rivers is making Colston a stud.

 

[jonessed]

Marty is handcuffing Rivers and it cost them the game today. All of SDs passing optiosn are pretty worthless until Marty changes his tune. Hopefully he has learned his lesson (I doubt it though).

 

[delusional]

1st pick: SA

3rd pick: Gates

:( :(

 

[ProdigyofParcells]

Screw Schottenheimer. They get a penalty and all it is, 3 runs and a field goal attempt. The Chargers deserve to lose. They are playing not to lose. Rivers is more than capable of doing well. They are not obviously confident in their passing game to do anything. Maybe this game will wake him up to know they have to pass to keep the D just a little honest.

I am not confident the offense will open up however.

 

[RKMoney]

NEVER draft a TE early. Gonzo last year and Gates this year as PRIME examples.

 

[Raiders Fan]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

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[bonesman]

Rivers has been averaging only around 15 completions per game so far. Gates isn't going to have huge production unless SD starts passing it downfield more. But so far, they have run a very conservative Martyball offense.

I hope Mary learned his lesson today.... had he been a little more agressive... you know, like, PASS on 3rd DOWN?!?! i think the Chargers would have put them away... but they leaned on their D just a lil too hard

 

[Despyzer]

I hope Mary learned his lesson today.... had he been a little more agressive... you know, like, PASS on 3rd DOWN?!?! i think the Chargers would have put them away... but they leaned on their D just a lil too hard

You don't think six points is a comfortable enough lead to start running out the clock in the 2nd quarter?

 

[H.K.]

I love how all these people who are shocked about Gates' lousy production with Rivers at QB.

There are about 10-15 active pro bowl QB's in the world, and Gates/SD backers act like they can just put a guy in there with no expereince and everything will be the same, if not better. If you haven't figured it out yet, shame on you.

 

[broncofan13000]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

1st pick: SA2nd pick: Gates

 

[Englishteacher]

I love how all these people who are shocked about Gates' lousy production with Rivers at QB.There are about 10-15 active pro bowl QB's in the world, and Gates/SD backers act like they can just put a guy in there with no expereince and everything will be the same, if not better. If you haven't figured it out yet, shame on you.

exactly why you should drop him in CHUG

 

[SSOG]

NEVER draft a TE early. Gonzo last year and Gates this year as PRIME examples.

First off, I'm calling a big fat here. First off, the season isn't over, so it's a little bit premature to be giving up on Gates. At this point last year, Marvin Harrison was the #35 ranked WR in the entire NFL. Second off, Tony Gonzalez actually performed up to his draft position last year. He finished the season ranked 44th in VBD, which is equal to a 4th round pick in terms of production. He was typically selected with a fourth round pick. And the other TE that was typically going in the fourth, Gates, wound up finishing EIGHTH in season-ending VBD, despite the fact that he was suspended for the first week!What's more, Tony Gonzalez outperformed his draft position for six consecutive years prior to last year. Name me one other player in the history of fantasy football that can make a similar claim. In addition, if you read Drinen's "optimal draft" study, you would know that historically, you should ALWAYS be the first person to grab a TE in the 3rd round if you want to have the best team possible.There is a *strong* body of evidence to suggest that drafting a TE early is actually one of the best strategies in all of fantasy football. One mediocre season from Gonzalez (where he still performed like a 4th round pick) and three mediocre games from Gates do not qualify as "PRIME examples" to the contrary.

I love how all these people who are shocked about Gates' lousy production with Rivers at QB.There are about 10-15 active pro bowl QB's in the world, and Gates/SD backers act like they can just put a guy in there with no expereince and everything will be the same, if not better. If you haven't figured it out yet, shame on you.

I guess that Brian Griese and Kyle Boller are on that list of 10-15 active pro bowl QBs, right? I mean, they both managed to produce stud TEs, and if you're claiming that you need a pro bowl QB to make a stud TE, then you're OBVIOUSLY claiming that both Griese and Boller are pro-bowl caliber QBs, right?

 

[kd1]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

 

[SSOG]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

 

[delusional]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

0-4

actually 2-2 now cause the rest of my team decided not to play gates, gore, fred taylor carr is my ### #### leading scorer while leftwich is on my bench

 

[Tau837]

Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3).

So what? Who cares about how many losing seasons they have? It's about winning, not non-losing seasons.Cowher - 142-84-1 regular season (0.628), 12-9 postseason (0.571), 1 Super Bowl winShanahan - 124-75 regular season (0.623), 8-5 postseason (0.615), 2 Super Bowl winsBelichick - 101-78 regular season (0.564), 11-2 postseason (0.846), 3 Super Bowl winsMarty - 188-124-1 regular season (0.603), 5-12 postseason (0.294), 0 Super Bowl winsMarty does not come close to measuring up to Cowher, Shanahan, and Belichick when it comes to winning. And you're telling everyone else to "learn your football"? Oh yeah, and one of the top 10 coaches in the league...?

 

[kd1]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

woah, what are you, marty's son? or just a bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points?all that winning, and how many superbowls has he won? schottenheimer is overrated by anybody who thinks he can coach in the first place, and is nothing more than an old man who cannot adjust to the times, and will grind games out and play not to lose as long as idiot owners still allow him to coach. there is not a current head coach i'd want coaching my team less than him. the guy is in his own world and just doesnt get it.

 

[WildGeneral]

NEVER draft a TE early. Gonzo last year and Gates this year as PRIME examples.

First off, I'm calling a big fat here. First off, the season isn't over, so it's a little bit premature to be giving up on Gates. At this point last year, Marvin Harrison was the #35 ranked WR in the entire NFL. Second off, Tony Gonzalez actually performed up to his draft position last year. He finished the season ranked 44th in VBD, which is equal to a 4th round pick in terms of production. He was typically selected with a fourth round pick. And the other TE that was typically going in the fourth, Gates, wound up finishing EIGHTH in season-ending VBD, despite the fact that he was suspended for the first week!What's more, Tony Gonzalez outperformed his draft position for six consecutive years prior to last year. Name me one other player in the history of fantasy football that can make a similar claim. In addition, if you read Drinen's "optimal draft" study, you would know that historically, you should ALWAYS be the first person to grab a TE in the 3rd round if you want to have the best team possible.There is a *strong* body of evidence to suggest that drafting a TE early is actually one of the best strategies in all of fantasy football. One mediocre season from Gonzalez (where he still performed like a 4th round pick) and three mediocre games from Gates do not qualify as "PRIME examples" to the contrary.

I love how all these people who are shocked about Gates' lousy production with Rivers at QB.There are about 10-15 active pro bowl QB's in the world, and Gates/SD backers act like they can just put a guy in there with no expereince and everything will be the same, if not better. If you haven't figured it out yet, shame on you.

I guess that Brian Griese and Kyle Boller are on that list of 10-15 active pro bowl QBs, right? I mean, they both managed to produce stud TEs, and if you're claiming that you need a pro bowl QB to make a stud TE, then you're OBVIOUSLY claiming that both Griese and Boller are pro-bowl caliber QBs, right?

 

[SSOG]

Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3).

So what? Who cares about how many losing seasons they have? It's about winning, not non-losing seasons.Cowher - 142-84-1 regular season (0.628), 12-9 postseason (0.571), 1 Super Bowl winShanahan - 124-75 regular season (0.623), 8-5 postseason (0.615), 2 Super Bowl winsBelichick - 101-78 regular season (0.564), 11-2 postseason (0.846), 3 Super Bowl winsMarty - 188-124-1 regular season (0.603), 5-12 postseason (0.294), 0 Super Bowl winsMarty does not come close to measuring up to Cowher, Shanahan, and Belichick when it comes to winning. And you're telling everyone else to "learn your football"? Oh yeah, and one of the top 10 coaches in the league...?

I never said that Marty was better than Cowher, Shanny, or Belichick (who I consider the top 3 coaches in football). Still, I challenge you to name me 10 coaches who are better than Schottenheimer. Go on, try.

 

[SSOG]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.

More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.

Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

woah, what are you, marty's son? or just a bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points?all that winning, and how many superbowls has he won? schottenheimer is overrated by anybody who thinks he can coach in the first place, and is nothing more than an old man who cannot adjust to the times, and will grind games out and play not to lose as long as idiot owners still allow him to coach. there is not a current head coach i'd want coaching my team less than him. the guy is in his own world and just doesnt get it.

Definitely the latter. Doesn't change the fact that Schotty's one of the top 10 coaches in the league.Edit: And out of curiousity, what's wrong with referring to an encyclopedia when I'm trying to gather information to support my points? What should I be using instead of an encyclopedia? Perhaps a magic 8-ball?

 

[Bad_Mo]

I love how all these people who are shocked about Gates' lousy production with Rivers at QB.There are about 10-15 active pro bowl QB's in the world, and Gates/SD backers act like they can just put a guy in there with no expereince and everything will be the same, if not better. If you haven't figured it out yet, shame on you.

I think a logical line of thought is that Gates provides Rivers with an easy release valve in the middle of the field. Alot easier to hit than a WR down the sidelines.Don't bury Gates just yet....

 

[kd1]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.

More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.

Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

woah, what are you, marty's son? or just a bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points?all that winning, and how many superbowls has he won? schottenheimer is overrated by anybody who thinks he can coach in the first place, and is nothing more than an old man who cannot adjust to the times, and will grind games out and play not to lose as long as idiot owners still allow him to coach. there is not a current head coach i'd want coaching my team less than him. the guy is in his own world and just doesnt get it.

Definitely the latter. Doesn't change the fact that Schotty's one of the top 10 coaches in the league.Edit: And out of curiousity, what's wrong with referring to an encyclopedia when I'm trying to gather information to support my points? What should I be using instead of an encyclopedia? Perhaps a magic 8-ball?

absolutely nothing....just be sure to replace "learn your football people" with "learn how to copy and paste out of wikipedia people".

 

[Lauryn]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

0-4

i have em both and am 4-0learn2draft

 

[Noahs Troopers]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

 

[Tau837]

Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3).

So what? Who cares about how many losing seasons they have? It's about winning, not non-losing seasons.Cowher - 142-84-1 regular season (0.628), 12-9 postseason (0.571), 1 Super Bowl winShanahan - 124-75 regular season (0.623), 8-5 postseason (0.615), 2 Super Bowl winsBelichick - 101-78 regular season (0.564), 11-2 postseason (0.846), 3 Super Bowl winsMarty - 188-124-1 regular season (0.603), 5-12 postseason (0.294), 0 Super Bowl winsMarty does not come close to measuring up to Cowher, Shanahan, and Belichick when it comes to winning. And you're telling everyone else to "learn your football"? Oh yeah, and one of the top 10 coaches in the league...?

I never said that Marty was better than Cowher, Shanny, or Belichick (who I consider the top 3 coaches in football). Still, I challenge you to name me 10 coaches who are better than Schottenheimer. Go on, try.

It obviously depends on what you mean by "better". I'll choose to look at it like I'm drafting a coach to coach my team for three years, because that eliminates any age factor. In no particular order, I'd prefer: Cowher, Shanahan, Belicheck, Parcells, Holmgren, Reid, Fox, Gibbs, Dungy, Del Rio, Lewis, Gruden, and Fisher, at minimum, and maybe Billick and Saban, too. And I'm not sure that's all, without looking at it more closely.

 

[Darrinll40]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

In my keep 4 league. I kept Alexander, Gates, D Davis and B Roethlisberger. 0-3Might win this week.

 

[shadyridr]

I wouldnt worry about Gates. But with SDs improved defense I think his numbers should get bumped down a notch. It has nothing to do with Rivers who has looked more than capable. He'll still finish top 3.

 

[shadyridr]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

You got some life man. Do you do this in every thread? I wish I can live your life.

 

[Eric Stratton]

1st pick: SA3rd pick: Gates:( :(

You got some life man. Do you do this in every thread? I wish I can live your life.

 

[H.K.]

I guess that Brian Griese and Kyle Boller are on that list of 10-15 active pro bowl QBs, right? I mean, they both managed to produce stud TEs, and if you're claiming that you need a pro bowl QB to make a stud TE, then you're OBVIOUSLY claiming that both Griese and Boller are pro-bowl caliber QBs, right?

Brees was a probowler, Rivers is inexperienced. Don't change the argument using examples that are not relevant to Gates and the Chargers. Brees was a huge part of Gates success, he is gone and Gates is middle of the pack FF wise. Case closed.

 

[j3r3m3y]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

woah, what are you, marty's son? or just a bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points?all that winning, and how many superbowls has he won? schottenheimer is overrated by anybody who thinks he can coach in the first place, and is nothing more than an old man who cannot adjust to the times, and will grind games out and play not to lose as long as idiot owners still allow him to coach. there is not a current head coach i'd want coaching my team less than him. the guy is in his own world and just doesnt get it.

I am usually the last person to defend SSOG, he does not need the help and I enjoy disagreeing with him, but this guy makes me want an ignore feature for the forums.If you want to have your post taken seriously cut out the personal attacks and find your Shift key.

 

[kd1]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

woah, what are you, marty's son? or just a bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points?all that winning, and how many superbowls has he won? schottenheimer is overrated by anybody who thinks he can coach in the first place, and is nothing more than an old man who cannot adjust to the times, and will grind games out and play not to lose as long as idiot owners still allow him to coach. there is not a current head coach i'd want coaching my team less than him. the guy is in his own world and just doesnt get it.

I am usually the last person to defend SSOG, he does not need the help and I enjoy disagreeing with him, but this guy makes me want an ignore feature for the forums.If you want to have your post taken seriously cut out the personal attacks and find your Shift key.

but he can talk down to me freely? nah, that's not how it works. get over yourself please. speak to people how you wish to be spoken to. your parents should have taught you that when you were a child.

 

[j3r3m3y]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

woah, what are you, marty's son? or just a bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points?all that winning, and how many superbowls has he won? schottenheimer is overrated by anybody who thinks he can coach in the first place, and is nothing more than an old man who cannot adjust to the times, and will grind games out and play not to lose as long as idiot owners still allow him to coach. there is not a current head coach i'd want coaching my team less than him. the guy is in his own world and just doesnt get it.

I am usually the last person to defend SSOG, he does not need the help and I enjoy disagreeing with him, but this guy makes me want an ignore feature for the forums.If you want to have your post taken seriously cut out the personal attacks and find your Shift key.

but he can talk down to me freely? nah, that's not how it works. get over yourself please. speak to people how you wish to be spoken to. your parents should have taught you that when you were a child.

He talks you down by refuting your statements with facts. You use personal attacks. There is an enormous difference.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The bottom line with Shottenheimer is that he often leads his team to a worse finish than the talent he has would dictate. He seems good at making a bad team decent, but can't make a great team great.

San Diego had the talent to do some damage last year and missed the playoffs on the backs of a couple losses that came from overly conservative coaching. We saw it again today as his players vastly outplayed his oppositions players, yet the team saw defeat largely on the wings of coaching.

The SD offense looks great when they're allowed to play, yet as soon as they get a slim lead they are bottled up by their own coach. It's true Schotty didn't miss that tackle on Heap at the 3 yard line today, but it should never have come down to that.

Just because you have a great defense doesn't mean you have to bottle up your offense even with an inexperienced QB (especially one who's looked as good as Rivers has). Just look at the Bears who are in a similar situation with a tough defense and a young inexperienced QB. They let him play and while it occasionally leads to a brief headache (INT for a TD against the Vikes), those occasional headaches are much better than just giving the games away.

 

[Tau837]

The bottom line with Shottenheimer is that he often leads his team to a worse finish than the talent he has would dictate. He seems good at making a bad team decent, but can't make a great team great.San Diego had the talent to do some damage last year and missed the playoffs on the backs of a couple losses that came from overly conservative coaching. We saw it again today as his players vastly outplayed his oppositions players, yet the team saw defeat largely on the wings of coaching.The SD offense looks great when they're allowed to play, yet as soon as they get a slim lead they are bottled up by their own coach. It's true Schotty didn't miss that tackle on Heap at the 3 yard line today, but it should never have come down to that.Just because you have a great defense doesn't mean you have to bottle up your offense even with an inexperienced QB (especially one who's looked as good as Rivers has). Just look at the Bears who are in a similar situation with a tough defense and a young inexperienced QB. They let him play and while it occasionally leads to a brief headache (INT for a TD against the Vikes), those occasional headaches are much better than just giving the games away.

 

[SSOG]

absolutely nothing....just be sure to replace "learn your football people" with "learn how to copy and paste out of wikipedia people".

Have you even *read* the wikipedia article on Schottenheimer? I'd recommend that you do so before accusing me of plagiarizing it.

The bottom line with Shottenheimer is that he often leads his team to a worse finish than the talent he has would dictate. He seems good at making a bad team decent, but can't make a great team great.

San Diego had the talent to do some damage last year and missed the playoffs on the backs of a couple losses that came from overly conservative coaching. We saw it again today as his players vastly outplayed his oppositions players, yet the team saw defeat largely on the wings of coaching.

The SD offense looks great when they're allowed to play, yet as soon as they get a slim lead they are bottled up by their own coach. It's true Schotty didn't miss that tackle on Heap at the 3 yard line today, but it should never have come down to that.

Just because you have a great defense doesn't mean you have to bottle up your offense even with an inexperienced QB (especially one who's looked as good as Rivers has). Just look at the Bears who are in a similar situation with a tough defense and a young inexperienced QB. They let him play and while it occasionally leads to a brief headache (INT for a TD against the Vikes), those occasional headaches are much better than just giving the games away.

I disagree with this. One of San Diego's sportswriters famously joked that he looked for the worst team on San Diego's schedule... and it was San Diego. The Chargers went 12-4 that season. Schottenheimer might not be able to make a great team great... but he sure can make a bad team great.I also disagree that San Diego is "bottled up by their own coach". This whole idea that Schotty is hyper-conservative is ridiculous. Tomlinson threw three touchdown passes last season. San Diego attempted the 9th most 4th downs in the league last season. The only other teams with a winning record to finish in the top 10 in 4th down attempts were Denver and New England. Belichick and Shanahan are two of the most aggressive coaches in the NFL, and Schotty kept pace with them last year. And as for all of this "conservative playcalling" that's costing them games... remember Week 1 last year? San Diego gets first and goal on Dallas, and Schotty calls 3 straight passes, then gets lambasted for being too aggressive and not getting the ball in the hands of his best player (Tomlinson)? And now he's getting lambasted for running the ball (i.e. getting the ball in the hands of his best player)?

Seriously, Schottenheimer has this stigma that's followed him, and it just overshadows the reality of things at this point. Marty Schottenheimer is one of the more aggressive coaches in the AFC right now. If he calls a lot of runs over passes, that's because he trusts Tomlinson more than Rivers (and really, do you blame him?). Look at what he did last year with Drew Brees, a QB he trusted completely, and then get back to me on whether or not you think he's still super-conservative.

I do agree that Schotty needs to take the shackles off of Rivers, though. It's almost like he's coaching scared right now, and that's not a good way to get some Ws.

but he can talk down to me freely? nah, that's not how it works. get over yourself please. speak to people how you wish to be spoken to. your parents should have taught you that when you were a child.

"bitter condescending loser who hates his life, and copies paragraphs out of wikipedia to try and prove his points" down?If you can't handle being disagreed with, I'd recommend that you stop having an opinion.

 

[Mario Kart]

A great coach does not stick around for 20+ years or whatever Shotty has been involved in the game if he was not one of the best at the time. Any notion that he is not worthy of coaching a team has not seen the stats his players are able to put up and the "W's" they put up with it. Shotty is clearly in the top 10 coaches in the league currently.

About Gates, I would worry but looking at the TE position across the board there really is no one running away with it. Winslow and Heap have been consistent. The other top TE's are aided by a big game or two and very little the other two they played.

 

[bonesman]

San Diego gets first and goal on Dallas, and Schotty calls 3 straight passes, then gets lambasted for being too aggressive and not getting the ball in the hands of his best player (Tomlinson)? And now he's getting lambasted for running the ball (i.e. getting the ball in the hands of his best player)?

Tomlinson didn't touch the ball on their last 2 drives against Baltimore... Turner and Neal got the carriesI don't get Marty's play calling at times... but for the most part i think he's pretty good

 

[Kosar_19]

What are you going to do about it? You're stuck with him. Panic all you want, if he's on your team you have to start him, and you can't trade him because you won't get fair value.

 

[PahtyTom]

Gates 8 targets last game vs. Tenn, 8 targets (by my unofficial count) this week vs. Balt. He'll be fine.

 

[Warpig]

I know a sweet sleeper TE you should be able to pick up off the waiver wire. I've been keeping him on the DL (down low) for a few weeks now but I think it might be time to reveal this super sleeper. Get ready to write this name down so you can dominate your league for the rest of the season...ready?

COLSTON

 

[Aaronstory]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

 

[Bull Dozier]

marty schottenheimer is possibly the worst coach i have ever seen. i'd be worried about tomlinson too if i were you guys. he'll grind out good yardage, but until schottenheimer learns to coach and opens up the offense, LT's big games are gone.

Wow, you must not have seen very many coaches if the worst one you've ever seen is a three-time Coach of the Year with a career 58% winning percentage, almost 200 wins, and 2 losing seasons.Fun little did you know... Schotty has fewer losing seasons in 21 years (2) than Shanny has in 14 (3), Bellichick has in 12 (5), or Cowher has in 14 (3). All of this comes despite the fact that Schotty has taken on FOUR different reclamation projects. Schottenheimer didn't post his first sub-.500 record until his 15th year as a head coach.More fun facts... did you know that Marty Schottenheimer has an entire coaching tree? Cowher, Cunningham, Dungy, and Herm Edwards are all Schottenheimer disciples. Those are some seriously good coaches, too. Cowher and Dungy have two of the highest winning percentages in NFL history. They're also guys who get criticized as unable to get it done in the playoffs... although, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think we'll be hearing much of that anymore.Learn your football, people. Keep some perspective. Schotty's one of the top-10 coaches in the league.

It's pretty weak to claim Dungy as a Shottenheimer disciple. Dungy started coaching with Pittsburgh and coached there for several years, including reaching Defensive Coordinator status in '84, all before he spent three years on Shottenheimers staff as DB coach before going to MN to be defensive coordinator again.

 

[laxiepoo]

Rivers has been averaging only around 15 completions per game so far. Gates isn't going to have huge production unless SD starts passing it downfield more. But so far, they have run a very conservative Martyball offense.

As a diehard Bolts fan, Martyball is driving me nuts. Way to give away another small lead marty by not keeping your foot on the gas after scoring one early TD. Oh, and nice job re-signing that idiot 12-year old kicker who keeps missing from 40 yards out.</rant> Gates will be fine, but his production will be down this year. You can't have not expected that.Nice posts about Marty now that I've read the whole thing. Good discussions there. I'll temper my own responses towards marty, but he's gotta uncork that offense a little more. We had some bad field position yesterday, but there were still missed opportunities.