Any hope for Crabtree this year? (1 Viewer)

[WFR]

Or is his situation just too much to overcome?

His QB hates him.

He has a bum foot.

VD seems to be the primary target followed up by Braylon & Gore.

Do you hold the guy and hope they end up with Luck or is it time to cut bait?

What value does he hold in dynasty leagues?

Thanks!

 

[mdlane]

Yes. If:

Tolzien takes over and his poise and accuracy were not a mirage.

Crabs' foot makes a complete recovery.

Crabs becomes more consistent than Morgan.

Not all Niner fans would agree with me but the above lists the hopes I cling to as a fan. With Smith as QB, a bad foot and Morgan filling the same role with more professionalism I don't think Crabs is rosterable in redraft.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Nope.

He's waiver fodder this year.

 

[Qtip Callahan]

Nope. He's waiver fodder this year.

Not in redraft. I have him in dynasty and am hoping for a new QB next year. Even that might be wishful thinking.

 

[phillybirds]

I already dumped him for a waiver wire pickup.

I don't see any point wasting my time with him.

Supposedly his foot injury might linger all year and if he's in a game and he's in pain he's coming out.

Maybe he has a few games down the road where he pulls in a TD or nice yardage, but who wants to play a guessing game all season on when that might be.

Not worth it.

 

[mdlane]

Nope. He's waiver fodder this year.

Not in redraft. I have him in dynasty and am hoping for a new QB next year. Even that might be wishful thinking.

Tolzien is the only QB on the roster with a prayer of making Crabtree valuable WR2 in 2012. I think Crabtree needs a QB that is smart and accurate. That's not Smith. And that's not Kap right now either (Kap looked borderline Jamarcus Russell this preseason and I was seriously high on Kap after watching him destroy Cal). So um unless Kap drastically improves next offseason or Tolzien turns out to be as smart and accurate as he showed, there's no hope with a currently rostered QB in 2012. :(

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Bet under 60 catches. Only startable as a bye week flier, and there are plenty of guys with the same potential.

 

[EBF]

I think it depends on whether or not he can get healthy.

If his pain lingers all season, I doubt he'll be effective.

If he can get healed by midseason then maybe he can find a groove.

I'm not a doctor and I don't know the extent of his health problems, so I have no way of guessing whether or not this will go away any time soon. The reports don't seem very encouraging, but at least he's still on the active roster and in the coach's plans.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Not even sure he's thread worthy. I think DHB has a bigger upside for 2011.

The guy has yet to play in a preseason. 3 years in the league -- think about that. This guy has proven absolutely nothing at the NFL level other than he's a mediocre possession WR.

I'd have sold him this offseason before his value plummets even furthur. If you still believe, you can get him even cheaper then.

 

[WFR]

Is his ceiling WR2 or does anyone here think he can reach WR1 status in the next year or two?

 

[EBF]

I think he'll need the right system and supporting cast to reach the elite level. I see him as sort of a Hines Ward/Jerricho Cotchery type of player. He's not going to torch people down the field, but he can do the dirty work underneath and be a high reception WR. Thing is, he doesn't have a great QB like Roethlisberger throwing him the ball or an elite deep threat like Wallace or Burress to create space for him to work.

It's hard to get excited right now considering his health and his supporting cast. The only silver lining is that he's a solid player when healthy and Harbaugh has shown a desire to get him involved (by playing him in week one even though he basically missed all of training camp). Harbaugh is a practical coach. He will do whatever works. If he feels that Crab can help then Crab will play.

It all comes back to health though. Crab needs to get healthy. I'm not sure he will this year, unfortunately.

 

[todisco1]

Bet under 60 catches. Only startable as a bye week flier, and there are plenty of guys with the same potential.

I bet wayyy under 60 catches. In redraft I drop him. In dynasty I hold, but barely.

 

[comfortably numb]

Nope. He's waiver fodder this year.

Not in redraft. I have him in dynasty and am hoping for a new QB next year. Even that might be wishful thinking.

Tolzien is the only QB on the roster with a prayer of making Crabtree valuable WR2 in 2012. I think Crabtree needs a QB that is smart and accurate. That's not Smith. And that's not Kap right now either (Kap looked borderline Jamarcus Russell this preseason and I was seriously high on Kap after watching him destroy Cal). So um unless Kap drastically improves next offseason or Tolzien turns out to be as smart and accurate as he showed, there's no hope with a currently rostered QB in 2012. :(

Does Tolzien even see the field if Smith gets the hook?Kap is listed as the backup.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Dumped him completely the last coupla days & will never roster him again. Pretty sure he knows he dont rate & is milking it to postpone his loss of rep to coincide with his loss of income for it.

 

[Insein]

I dropped him for Eric Decker. I think that sums it up.

 

[Jayrod]

I traded Cutler for him in my dynasty league. I have him on a 4 year contract and don't expect to start him at all this year barring a miraculous turn around or total decimation of the rest of my team. He is a 2012 and on project only. I expect next to nothing from him this year.

 

[Shutout]

I've never felt I have been so wrong about a player in a long time. I had HIGH HIGH value on him coming out but I have given up.

there is no question he has talent exceeding the norm but that's only part of it.

The more I tune in to this guy, the more it feels like the Charles Rogers/Roy Williams years to me: I have moved on.

 

[sho nuff]

I mean...he is more of a blocker in that group of TEs in GB.

Oh wait, you don't mean Tom Crabtree?

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Even if healthy toward the latter half of the year, I really think he's going to be a minimal part of the gameplan. In that sense, he's not worth rostering in redrafts.

My question really is what his dynasty value is. Most spent a fairly high draft pick on him, and he's shown enough to suggest he can be a very good WR in this league, but there's just too much negative about him. It reminds me of everyone who kept Charles Rogers year after year thinking he was finally going to stay healthy and break out after showing minimal, but encouraging, play. And we all know how that turned out.

 

[mdlane]

Nope.

He's waiver fodder this year.

Not in redraft. I have him in dynasty and am hoping for a new QB next year. Even that might be wishful thinking.

Tolzien is the only QB on the roster with a prayer of making Crabtree valuable WR2 in 2012. I think Crabtree needs a QB that is smart and accurate. That's not Smith. And that's not Kap right now either (Kap looked borderline Jamarcus Russell this preseason and I was seriously high on Kap after watching him destroy Cal). So um unless Kap drastically improves next offseason or Tolzien turns out to be as smart and accurate as he showed, there's no hope with a currently rostered QB in 2012. :(

Does Tolzien even see the field if Smith gets the hook?Kap is listed as the backup.

Probably not. But Kap is really, really, not ready. The coaches and players spoke very positively about him during TC, but he looked horrible during the preseason. Like someone practicing their golf swing for the first time, thinking through every mechanic, kind of horrible. Whereas Tolzien doesn't have the same mechanical issues and seems like a poised, smart guy - although he doesn't have Kap's arm or size/athleticism, either. I'm really high on Tolzien as you can tell.

 

[EBF]

Even if healthy toward the latter half of the year, I really think he's going to be a minimal part of the gameplan. In that sense, he's not worth rostering in redrafts.My question really is what his dynasty value is. Most spent a fairly high draft pick on him, and he's shown enough to suggest he can be a very good WR in this league, but there's just too much negative about him. It reminds me of everyone who kept Charles Rogers year after year thinking he was finally going to stay healthy and break out after showing minimal, but encouraging, play. And we all know how that turned out.

Crabtree had more yards in his rookie season than Rogers had in his career. I don't think Crab is a cancer or a complete headcase. He's a diva, but he competes hard when he's actually on the field. The biggest problem that I see is not character, but health. His foot is messed up. Hence why he can't play at his best right now. I think his best value in dynasty is for rebuilding teams looking to get a potential top 20-30 WR for 2012+ on the cheap. Owners that have him are likely to be frustrated. Assuming that you aren't in contention, maybe you can pry him away later in the season for a really low price like a 2nd round rookie pick or some last-legs veteran.

 

[Norseman]

I mean...he is more of a blocker in that group of TEs in GB.Oh wait, you don't mean Tom Crabtree?

They both had identical stats in week 1 --- 1 rec for 4 yards

 

[rct]

Even if healthy toward the latter half of the year, I really think he's going to be a minimal part of the gameplan. In that sense, he's not worth rostering in redrafts.

My question really is what his dynasty value is. Most spent a fairly high draft pick on him, and he's shown enough to suggest he can be a very good WR in this league, but there's just too much negative about him. It reminds me of everyone who kept Charles Rogers year after year thinking he was finally going to stay healthy and break out after showing minimal, but encouraging, play. And we all know how that turned out.

Crabtree had more yards in his rookie season than Rogers had in his career. I don't think Crab is a cancer or a complete headcase. He's a diva, but he competes hard when he's actually on the field. The biggest problem that I see is not character, but health. His foot is messed up. Hence why he can't play at his best right now.

I think his best value in dynasty is for rebuilding teams looking to get a potential top 20-30 WR for 2012+ on the cheap. Owners that have him are likely to be frustrated. Assuming that you aren't in contention, maybe you can pry him away later in the season for a really low price like a 2nd round rookie pick or some last-legs veteran.

But Cancer is a crab. Seriously, I don't think you have to wait until later in the season to get him with a 2nd round pick - I think a lot of his owners would probably take that now and be happy to cut their losses and salvage something from having owned him.

 

[comfortably numb]

Nope.

He's waiver fodder this year.

Not in redraft. I have him in dynasty and am hoping for a new QB next year. Even that might be wishful thinking.

Tolzien is the only QB on the roster with a prayer of making Crabtree valuable WR2 in 2012. I think Crabtree needs a QB that is smart and accurate. That's not Smith. And that's not Kap right now either (Kap looked borderline Jamarcus Russell this preseason and I was seriously high on Kap after watching him destroy Cal). So um unless Kap drastically improves next offseason or Tolzien turns out to be as smart and accurate as he showed, there's no hope with a currently rostered QB in 2012. :(

Does Tolzien even see the field if Smith gets the hook?Kap is listed as the backup.

Probably not. But Kap is really, really, not ready. The coaches and players spoke very positively about him during TC, but he looked horrible during the preseason. Like someone practicing their golf swing for the first time, thinking through every mechanic, kind of horrible. Whereas Tolzien doesn't have the same mechanical issues and seems like a poised, smart guy - although he doesn't have Kap's arm or size/athleticism, either. I'm really high on Tolzien as you can tell.

Cool, in all of my leagues, I am the guy with 18 QB's and they are all crappy, but they are usually QB2's.I just wanted to know if I should make room for this Tolzien character.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Even if healthy toward the latter half of the year, I really think he's going to be a minimal part of the gameplan. In that sense, he's not worth rostering in redrafts.

My question really is what his dynasty value is. Most spent a fairly high draft pick on him, and he's shown enough to suggest he can be a very good WR in this league, but there's just too much negative about him. It reminds me of everyone who kept Charles Rogers year after year thinking he was finally going to stay healthy and break out after showing minimal, but encouraging, play. And we all know how that turned out.

Crabtree had more yards in his rookie season than Rogers had in his career. I don't think Crab is a cancer or a complete headcase. He's a diva, but he competes hard when he's actually on the field. The biggest problem that I see is not character, but health. His foot is messed up. Hence why he can't play at his best right now.

I think his best value in dynasty is for rebuilding teams looking to get a potential top 20-30 WR for 2012+ on the cheap. Owners that have him are likely to be frustrated. Assuming that you aren't in contention, maybe you can pry him away later in the season for a really low price like a 2nd round rookie pick or some last-legs veteran.

But Cancer is a crab. Seriously, I don't think you have to wait until later in the season to get a 2nd round pick for him - I think a lot of his owners would probably take that now and be happy to cut their losses and salvage something from having owned him.

(raises hand) I sure would. No way anyone throws a 2nd at this guy, tho.