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Any news on Vick and the plea deal? (1 Viewer)
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Hopefully he can work it so he only has to spend 6-9 months or so away so he can be available for next football season.
Unfortunately reports are the Feds want him to spend at least a year behind bars, maybe they are ironing out the final details and making it a more reasonable amount of time.
Unfortunately reports are the Feds want him to spend at least a year behind bars, maybe they are ironing out the final details and making it a more reasonable amount of time.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
On your dynasty team, eh?
suchislife
Footballguy
Unfortunately we won't know how much jail time he's facing even if the 1 year min deal is accepted. From what I heard on Mike & Mike this morning from a former defense lawyer, he would be pleading guilty in return for a "recommended" sentence. The judge can sentence any term he sees fit. And remember this judge has a rep for handing down stiff sentences and making examples of people. Theoretically, Vick can accept a deal that recommends 12 to 15 months and actually receive a 3 year sentence.The NBA ref recently plead guilty to a Federal crime and his sentencing is in November, I believe.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think this year and next year will be a problem for Vick. IMO, he will see a 1 year suspension from the league. I also see him not being able to serve less than a year (at least that's what I hear). Next, I think the Falcons will release him for breach of contract (conduct non-becoming the team) and sue to get their signing money back.This is where it starts to get fuzzy. If Vick is unsigned by an NFL team, I am not sure if his time in jail would be applied to his league suspension. If he can't complete both concurrently, then there's no way he'll be able to play next year if he has to complete his jail time and then his suspension. And if a team that would sign him has to wait out a year under contract, I'm not sure any team would want to sign him.
burd
Footballguy
if he takes the plea, he has to state in writing that he killed dogs. i doubt Goodell would let a convicted (and admitted) dog killer back into the league ..not to mention, no GM is willing to stake their job on Vick. See, youve got to expect that PETA will stage protests w/ whatever team signs him ... if a team does sign him. The bad publicity plus protests isn't something that any owner wants. No sir ... Vick's days in the NFL are over. If you have him in your dynasty, trade him for whatever you can get.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Per PFT... if true, would the feds still allow him to cop to just the conspiracy?
PHILLIPS, PEACE ADMIT TO KILLING DOGS WITH VICK
In a statement of facts signed in connection with the guilty pleas entered on Friday morning by Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips, Peace and Phillips admit to participating with Vick in the killing of eight dogs in April 2007, according to ESPN.
In our view, this means that Virginia authorities now have the green light to proceed with an indictment of Vick on eight counts of animal cruelty. Under Virginia law, he'd face up to 40 years behind bars, in addition to any federal prison term that he serves.
The alleged involvement in killing dogs is, in our view, proof positive that Vick will never be able to return to the NFL.
ESPN also reports that Phillips immediately was taken into custody because he failed a drug test while free on bond.
PHILLIPS, PEACE ADMIT TO KILLING DOGS WITH VICK
In a statement of facts signed in connection with the guilty pleas entered on Friday morning by Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips, Peace and Phillips admit to participating with Vick in the killing of eight dogs in April 2007, according to ESPN.
In our view, this means that Virginia authorities now have the green light to proceed with an indictment of Vick on eight counts of animal cruelty. Under Virginia law, he'd face up to 40 years behind bars, in addition to any federal prison term that he serves.
The alleged involvement in killing dogs is, in our view, proof positive that Vick will never be able to return to the NFL.
ESPN also reports that Phillips immediately was taken into custody because he failed a drug test while free on bond.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I watched this video and I'm not buying what the attorney is saying because there was no mention of any league sanctions at all. He made it out to seem like Vick would go to jail for a year, walk out, and suit up again for the Falcons. I really don't see that happening.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I also heard the lawyer on Mike & Mike and he definitely said the judge is not bound to the sentence recommended in the plea. If he accepts the plea he will be bound to whatever sentence the judge makes.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Kinda defeats the incentive to take the plea if you can still end up with far worse than what the plea deal was supposed to be.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
My opinion....this judge is supposed to be a hard liner, and will want to send a message, so I believe Vick's jail time will be over a year, like a year and 3 months or something...thus not allowing him to play next season. He will want to give a long enough sentence to punish Vick...and long enough to me would be making sure he can't play in 2008.
Nothing but a hunch.
Nothing but a hunch.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Wonder if his honor owns Vick in a dynasty league?
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
In a weird way, as Vick dynasty owner (yeah, yeah, I know) I'm almost hoping he gets a multi-year sentence so that I don't have to waffle on what to do with him. At this point, it is obvious he won't be playing this season. If he gets 9 months or a year or whatever, then you have a choice to make. I would lean towards cutting him anyway, seeing as there's a possibility he'd have trouble finding work post jail, be rusty, etc... then again, what if you cut him and somebody stashes him and reaps the benefits down the road? If he gets multiple years then you cut him and don't look back.
I do say this assuming this is what he deserves, however, as I admittedly do not know all the facts of the case... as none of us really do. (Know EVERYTHING, that is).
I do say this assuming this is what he deserves, however, as I admittedly do not know all the facts of the case... as none of us really do. (Know EVERYTHING, that is).
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
Heard on some sports show yesterday that Vick will not be able to serve his time and NFL suspension at the same time. He'll do his time and then serve his NFL suspension when he gets out so he's looking at at least 2 years out of the NFL.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
The incentive is to avoid the additional charges that will be put against him if he doesn't plea to the current charges. Right now he's looking at up to five years. If they add the other interstate gambling charges (RICO) he'd be looking at the 5 + 20 or more in a court with over 90% conviction rate. If you're looking at over 20 years, taking your chances with only up to 5 certainly is incentive enough. 3 years>23 years.
nygiants56
Footballguy
you're advocating the `slap on the wrist ` plan?! you want to pooh-pooh this, and give him just 12 days and a $2500 fine..as long as he's ready for week 8, right? you're as much a loser as he is.
the dude is a scumbag for what he's done. let him rot in jail for 5 years..he will never play another down in the NFL.bank on it.
don't forget, he LIED to the commish about this situation..that will make the NFL's front office drop the hammer on him, it will carry at least a 1 yr NFL suspension, probably to be served AFTER his 1 year prison sentence..
he won't be eligible until 2010 at the earliest, if he goes to jail this november..
burd
Footballguy
you're advocating the `slap on the wrist ` plan?! you want to pooh-pooh this, and give him just 12 days and a $2500 fine..as long as he's ready for week 8, right? you're as much a loser as he is.the dude is a scumbag for what he's done. let him rot in jail for 5 years..
he will never play another down in the NFL.bank on it.
don't forget, he LIED to the commish about this situation..that will make the NFL's front office drop the hammer on him, it will carry at least a 1 yr NFL suspension, probably to be served AFTER his 1 year prison sentence..
he won't be eligible until 2010 at the earliest, if he goes to jail this november..
Vick's only chance of playing football after serving his prison term is if he plays Arena ball. As a convicted felon, i don't even think he can play in Canada. No one in the NFL will touch him because he'll bring bad publicity and protests with him and no owner wants that.
Remember it's a lawyer... he never said NFL... he said professional football.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Uh oh.
"FoxSports.com reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick posed for a photo with a pit bull he sponsored in a North Carolina dog fight four years ago, according to the statement of facts signed by Purnell Peace, one of two alleged cohorts who entered guilty pleas Friday, Aug. 17. Peace also said Vick "participated" in the execution of approximately eight dogs earlier this year. It is unclear whether prosecutors - or anyone - has a copy of the photo. According to the statement of facts signed Friday, Aug. 17, "Peace, (Quanis) Phillips and Vick executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging and drowning. All three participated in executing the dogs. Peace agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick."
"FoxSports.com reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick posed for a photo with a pit bull he sponsored in a North Carolina dog fight four years ago, according to the statement of facts signed by Purnell Peace, one of two alleged cohorts who entered guilty pleas Friday, Aug. 17. Peace also said Vick "participated" in the execution of approximately eight dogs earlier this year. It is unclear whether prosecutors - or anyone - has a copy of the photo. According to the statement of facts signed Friday, Aug. 17, "Peace, (Quanis) Phillips and Vick executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging and drowning. All three participated in executing the dogs. Peace agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick."
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
He's officially done. He'll never play another down in the NFL if this is true. Even if the NFL doesn't ban him for life, what team would ever take on that PR nightmare by signing him? No chance. Career over.
Gonzo Stokes
Footballguy
I hope he takes the plea agreement today and then goes away so that they can actually talk football on NFL Live again.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
per ESPN.com
ESPN's Kelly Naqi has learned from multiple sources that Vick, Peace and Phillips initially hanged all of the dogs in the woods behind Vick's house but at least three dogs survived the hanging attempt. Subsequently, Vick, Peace and Phillips submerged the surviving dogs' heads in five gallon buckets filled with water until they drowned.
The above all purportedly took place ~ 4 months ago
ESPN's Kelly Naqi has learned from multiple sources that Vick, Peace and Phillips initially hanged all of the dogs in the woods behind Vick's house but at least three dogs survived the hanging attempt. Subsequently, Vick, Peace and Phillips submerged the surviving dogs' heads in five gallon buckets filled with water until they drowned.
The above all purportedly took place ~ 4 months ago
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Not really, because the Feds might not even add the RICO charges which adds 20 possible years to the deal if he pleas.If he doesnt, then he could get 25 instead of 5.David Yudkin said:
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
BigSteelThrill
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And why would you want the POS to be able to play again? Weren't you the one that was going to ban himself from this site if Vick was guilty? Unfortunately you say? You're just as bad as Vick if you don't want him to spend at least a year in prison for what he has done. This forum will be a better place once you take your leave of absence Luvbeer.ILUVBEER99 said:
freshly_shorn
Footballguy
Michael Vick, most exciting reviled player ex-player in the NFL.
Statorama
Footballguy
Bad publicity goes away. Just ask Ray Lewis.burd said:nygiants56 said:you're advocating the `slap on the wrist ` plan?! you want to pooh-pooh this, and give him just 12 days and a $2500 fine..as long as he's ready for week 8, right? you're as much a loser as he is.ILUVBEER99 said:
he will never play another down in the NFL.bank on it.
don't forget, he LIED to the commish about this situation..that will make the NFL's front office drop the hammer on him, it will carry at least a 1 yr NFL suspension, probably to be served AFTER his 1 year prison sentence..
he won't be eligible until 2010 at the earliest, if he goes to jail this november..Vick's only chance of playing football after serving his prison term is if he plays Arena ball. As a convicted felon, i don't even think he can play in Canada. No one in the NFL will touch him because he'll bring bad publicity and protests with him and no owner wants that.
Big Score
Footballguy
Or Leonard Little.Bad publicity goes away. Just ask Ray Lewis.burd said:nygiants56 said:you're advocating the `slap on the wrist ` plan?! you want to pooh-pooh this, and give him just 12 days and a $2500 fine..as long as he's ready for week 8, right? you're as much a loser as he is.ILUVBEER99 said:
he will never play another down in the NFL.bank on it.
don't forget, he LIED to the commish about this situation..that will make the NFL's front office drop the hammer on him, it will carry at least a 1 yr NFL suspension, probably to be served AFTER his 1 year prison sentence..
he won't be eligible until 2010 at the earliest, if he goes to jail this november..
Big Score
Footballguy
5th post in this very thread.
David Yudkin said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
What's wrong with a simple bullet to the back of the head? Why do you need to hang, drown or electrocute a dog to execute it. There was a huge case in Phoenix years and years ago where over a hundred greyhounds (dog racing is, or at least was, big in Phx) all with a 9mm hole in their head found in a shallow grave in the desert. I'm certainly not advocating the killing of dogs but since these facts have surfaced I am just wondering why the cruel means of execution? IMO, this cruelty will be on the judge's mind when sentencing.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
A bullet to the back of the head apparently doesn't get this psycho's juices flowing quite like drowning them in a bucket does.
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ptsteelers
Footballguy
I think if you were to drown / electrocute / bash her head in with a hammer you would get the same response.This is NOT just about "killing" a couple of dogs
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I guess it would depend on much the wife was slapped around - or what her injuries were. To me personally, torturing and executing a dog is worse than slapping someone. Don't get me wrong, I would never do either and think they should both go to jail, but I just think in the heat of the moment, I could at least understand the concept of someone slapping or hitting another person. But to take a defenseless animal and hang them from a tree, then drowned them in a bucket... we're talking about a complete psycho here.can't say this enough.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99 doesn't care...what happens off the field happens off the field. He's got a fantasy team to run. Plus, they're just dogs.
I would have to agree. I would classify simple assault as far less damaging than systematic abuse and torture. You can compare it by saying "abusing a wife is worse than abusing a dog". If Vick had simply slapped the dogs around this would be an entirely different matter. By the same token anyone who treated their family like Vick treated these dogs would be in jail for a very long time.I guess it would depend on much the wife was slapped around - or what her injuries were. To me personally, torturing and executing a dog is worse than slapping someone. Don't get me wrong, I would never do either and think they should both go to jail, but I just think in the heat of the moment, I could at least understand the concept of someone slapping or hitting another person. But to take a defenseless animal and hang them from a tree, then drowned them in a bucket... we're talking about a complete psycho here.can't say this enough.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
Or at least an emotionally dead person.Pure heartless acts.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
This is just sadistic. Doing harm to humans clearly should carry significant consequences, clearly. But, it slays to me to see people here defend Vick on the grounds that they're just dogs. This is sadistic, violent behavior. I know this is a football site, but that doesn't excuse one from being totally detached from the humanity that should be totally, grossly offended by Vick and his thug friends that did this ####.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
It's not worse than beating your wife. You can go to jail for longer for assaulting a human being than you can killing a dog. Vick's maximum I think is about 5 years. For assault or raping a human being you can get much more, depending on the circumstances. Also, think about how many wive's/girlfriends don't press charges or the case is settled out of court (sometimes for $$). There are so many factors to consider when it's a person on person crime. Dogs aren't treated with the same prison sentences, it's less. It's just that it's being treated as a illegal gambling ring as well as torture etc. that makes this a big deal.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
I hear ya.
switz
Footballguy
The lawyers were also trying to get the NFL agree to no sanctions if Vick took the plea, but reportedly Goodell told them "You take care of the legal issues, when it plays out, I'll decide on the NFL issues."I like Goodell - tough guy, but it's good for the league.David Yudkin said:
switz
Footballguy
Sure... slapping someone in the heat of the moment is much worse than premeditatively torturing a relatively defenseless animal that is completely loyal to you. Sure.FYI - I think the American justice system IS too light on domestic violence... but, generally, domestic violence is the result of two people provoking each other, OR someone being under the influence...For some reason I don't think "not testing well" is an adequate excuse to subject any living creature to torture...If the dogs had rabies, or were seriously ill, and Vick humanely terminated their lives that would be one thing, but the way he handled things goes into a psyche worse than someone who is guilty of domestic violence...can't say this enough.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
I'd rather get 10 years for what he did than get 5 for rape.
I still dont believe he is guilty
does this look like the face of a dog killer?
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/poo...nk/image001.jpg
does this look like the face of a dog killer?
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c166/poo...nk/image001.jpg
Illegal interstate gambling ring down?You can't be this blind.can't say this enough.
