King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Anything blurbs about this cat? Can we expect him to play at a high level ever again?
again? He never started. He did just sign a contract extension in Cleveland this year so they do figure on him being a part of the offense at some point. Other than that, what happens with him is anyone's guess.Anything blurbs about this cat? Can we expect him to play at a high level ever again?
A Menace of a blocker? Based on what? College is a little different than the NFL. If I remember correctly, he was known for his pass receiving skills at Miami. Either way, how does equate to him being a good NFL player? Time will tell.He's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
Not to be rude, but you "remeber incorrectly." Winslow's value came from the fact that he was a friggin' lawnmower out there. His pass catching is a terrific bonus. His game at Pitt in 2003 and his devestating block on a certain Vols DB in 2003 were the better parts of his highlight reel.Is he a great pass catcher? Absolutely. BUt he'll get on the field quickly b/c he is a fearsome blocker. In his Jr. season at Miami, he barely averaged 10ypr and had 1 TD.A Menace of a blocker? Based on what? College is a little different than the NFL. If I remember correctly, he was known for his pass receiving skills at Miami. Either way, how does equate to him being a good NFL player? Time will tell.He's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
BTW, I don't too many DBs are too worried about him being on the field.
Not to be rude, but who gives a horses ### about a TE's blocking? There are many "blocking" TEs in the league. What the Brownies need is a playmaker, not a blocker. I'm not sure what you infactuation is with Winslow, but let's wait at least until the guy plays in an NFL game before you call him the next great TE. BTW, Tony Gonzalez sucks as a blocker, but who cares? He's a gamer. That's what the Browns want Winslow to be.For the record, I bet he'll be a bust, like most of the other Browns high draft picks in recent years (and no, I'm not calling B. Edwards a bust... too early to tell).Not to be rude, but you "remeber incorrectly." Winslow's value came from the fact that he was a friggin' lawnmower out there. His pass catching is a terrific bonus. His game at Pitt in 2003 and his devestating block on a certain Vols DB in 2003 were the better parts of his highlight reel.Is he a great pass catcher? Absolutely. BUt he'll get on the field quickly b/c he is a fearsome blocker. In his Jr. season at Miami, he barely averaged 10ypr and had 1 TD.A Menace of a blocker? Based on what? College is a little different than the NFL. If I remember correctly, he was known for his pass receiving skills at Miami. Either way, how does equate to him being a good NFL player? Time will tell.He's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
BTW, I don't too many DBs are too worried about him being on the field.
It. Is. All. About. The. Blocking.
Colin
LOL. Are you kidding? THe best tight ends in the league, the ones that are 3 down TEs, are great blockers. They don't show it on highlight reels, but the reason Marcus Pollard kept the better receiver (Dallas Clark) off the field was because of blocking. THe reason an inferior pass catcher like Stephen Alexander takes looks from Jeb Putzier is b/c of blocking. The reason Ernie Conwell is still playing an Boo Williams is dying for a paycheck is blocking.The NFL isn't fantasy football. On any given play, no fewer than 7 offensive players are BLOCKING. If you are a TE and can't block, that means someone else has to.Not to be rude, but who gives a horses ### about a TE's blocking? There are many "blocking" TEs in the league. What the Brownies need is a playmaker, not a blocker. I'm not sure what you infactuation is with Winslow, but let's wait at least until the guy plays in an NFL game before you call him the next great TE. BTW, Tony Gonzalez sucks as a blocker, but who cares? He's a gamer. That's what the Browns want Winslow to be.For the record, I bet he'll be a bust, like most of the other Browns high draft picks in recent years (and no, I'm not calling B. Edwards a bust... too early to tell).Not to be rude, but you "remeber incorrectly." Winslow's value came from the fact that he was a friggin' lawnmower out there. His pass catching is a terrific bonus. His game at Pitt in 2003 and his devestating block on a certain Vols DB in 2003 were the better parts of his highlight reel.Is he a great pass catcher? Absolutely. BUt he'll get on the field quickly b/c he is a fearsome blocker. In his Jr. season at Miami, he barely averaged 10ypr and had 1 TD.A Menace of a blocker? Based on what? College is a little different than the NFL. If I remember correctly, he was known for his pass receiving skills at Miami. Either way, how does equate to him being a good NFL player? Time will tell.He's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
BTW, I don't too many DBs are too worried about him being on the field.
It. Is. All. About. The. Blocking.
Colin
Bullshi....t!LOL. Are you kidding? THe best tight ends in the league, the ones that are 3 down TEs, are great blockers. They don't show it on highlight reels, but the reason Marcus Pollard kept the better receiver (Dallas Clark) off the field was because of blocking. THe reason an inferior pass catcher like Stephen Alexander takes looks from Jeb Putzier is b/c of blocking. The reason Ernie Conwell is still playing an Boo Williams is dying for a paycheck is blocking.The NFL isn't fantasy football. On any given play, no fewer than 7 offensive players are BLOCKING. If you are a TE and can't block, that means someone else has to.Not to be rude, but who gives a horses ### about a TE's blocking? There are many "blocking" TEs in the league. What the Brownies need is a playmaker, not a blocker. I'm not sure what you infactuation is with Winslow, but let's wait at least until the guy plays in an NFL game before you call him the next great TE. BTW, Tony Gonzalez sucks as a blocker, but who cares? He's a gamer. That's what the Browns want Winslow to be.For the record, I bet he'll be a bust, like most of the other Browns high draft picks in recent years (and no, I'm not calling B. Edwards a bust... too early to tell).Not to be rude, but you "remeber incorrectly." Winslow's value came from the fact that he was a friggin' lawnmower out there. His pass catching is a terrific bonus. His game at Pitt in 2003 and his devestating block on a certain Vols DB in 2003 were the better parts of his highlight reel.Is he a great pass catcher? Absolutely. BUt he'll get on the field quickly b/c he is a fearsome blocker. In his Jr. season at Miami, he barely averaged 10ypr and had 1 TD.A Menace of a blocker? Based on what? College is a little different than the NFL. If I remember correctly, he was known for his pass receiving skills at Miami. Either way, how does equate to him being a good NFL player? Time will tell.He's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
BTW, I don't too many DBs are too worried about him being on the field.
It. Is. All. About. The. Blocking.
Colin
Fantasy Successs = opportunity.
For TEs, Blocking = time on the field = opportunity.
COlin
10-4 professer. E=MC(2); F=MA I guess we'll see next year (maybe) how your "soldier" does on the field. Talk to you about it then.The fact that you disagree in the face of clear and quantitative evidence doesn't make it "busslhit."
COlin
I like how you brought up an event from 3 years ago to validate your argument without once disputing anything I said regarding his blocking. THat was awesome.Colin10-4 professer. E=MC(2); F=MA I guess we'll see next year (maybe) how your "soldier" does on the field. Talk to you about it then.The fact that you disagree in the face of clear and quantitative evidence doesn't make it "busslhit."
COlin
Colon,If you hadn't noticed, I could care less about his blocking ability, so why would I dispute your obsession. Winslow is a fraud. I don't care if it was 3 years ago or 3 days ago. He's a cheap-shot, dirty player who justified his actions by claiming he was a "soldier." Now he's getting his dues. And to be honest with you, there's entirely too much conversation about this bum... more than what he is worth. I know you feel differently, but that's my opinion, and my last comment on your hero.I like how you brought up an event from 3 years ago to validate your argument without once disputing anything I said regarding his blocking. THat was awesome.Colin10-4 professer. E=MC(2); F=MA I guess we'll see next year (maybe) how your "soldier" does on the field. Talk to you about it then.The fact that you disagree in the face of clear and quantitative evidence doesn't make it "busslhit."
COlin
1. DOnt be a child. Misspelling my name because you think it's cute is both unoriginal and unfunny. If I had a dime for every other unoriginal nucklehead that crept along, I'd be richer than I am now.2. THere is nothing to gain from talking to you about Winslow. You don't like him. Great, that's your perogative, as wrong and uninformed as it may be. Being incorrect doesn't seem to phase you, so I'll leave you to it. I have hero-worship for neither Winslow nor anyone else; I'm just offering a perspective on a message board.Colon,If you hadn't noticed, I could care less about his blocking ability, so why would I dispute your obsession. Winslow is a fraud. I don't care if it was 3 years ago or 3 days ago. He's a cheap-shot, dirty player who justified his actions by claiming he was a "soldier." Now he's getting his dues. And to be honest with you, there's entirely too much conversation about this bum... more than what he is worth. I know you feel differently, but that's my opinion, and my last comment on your hero.I like how you brought up an event from 3 years ago to validate your argument without once disputing anything I said regarding his blocking. THat was awesome.Colin10-4 professer. E=MC(2); F=MA I guess we'll see next year (maybe) how your "soldier" does on the field. Talk to you about it then.The fact that you disagree in the face of clear and quantitative evidence doesn't make it "busslhit."
COlin
It's entertaining to me to watch this...It's like sandblasting a soup cracker for you, but hey, I've laughed three times reading this.2. THere is nothing to gain from talking to you about Winslow.
Huh?So apparently comments which are used every single day on this board regarding RB's ablility to block and protect the QB, and how that tends to be a huge factor in playing time and opportunity is irrelevant?As much as I love Winslow, Otter simply Colin in this discussion, childish slights aside.
Colin, do you realize that you are arguing blocking prowess on a fantasy football message board? I get the whole "opportunity" thing but really....
Winslow may become great one day but to predicate that upon blocking at this point is a bit ridiculous, if not disconcerting for a FBG.
What thread are you reading?Colin comes with facts, Otter comes with "Blocking doesn't matter" and "Winslow is a jerk".As much as I love Winslow, Otter simply Colin in this discussion
Tony Gonzalez is actually a very good blocker. That's the whole reason his receiving stats were down most of the year. Willie Roaf was out and Tony was kept in to block while Priest and Larry put up big numbers. If he was a terrible blocker I doubt the Chiefs would sacrifice his receiving abilities to keep him in for protection. I'm not sure how Winslow career will turn out when it is all said and done, but I know one thing for sure, KW is a gamer. That guy gives his all every play and hehas tons of talent. I don't know how you could define a "gamer" better than that.BTW, Tony Gonzalez sucks as a blocker, but who cares? He's a gamer. That's what the Browns want Winslow to be.Not to be rude, but you "remeber incorrectly." Winslow's value came from the fact that he was a friggin' lawnmower out there. His pass catching is a terrific bonus. His game at Pitt in 2003 and his devestating block on a certain Vols DB in 2003 were the better parts of his highlight reel.Is he a great pass catcher? Absolutely. BUt he'll get on the field quickly b/c he is a fearsome blocker. In his Jr. season at Miami, he barely averaged 10ypr and had 1 TD.A Menace of a blocker? Based on what? College is a little different than the NFL. If I remember correctly, he was known for his pass receiving skills at Miami. Either way, how does equate to him being a good NFL player? Time will tell.He's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
BTW, I don't too many DBs are too worried about him being on the field.
It. Is. All. About. The. Blocking.
Colin
I don't think it's very entertaining at all. I'm suprised Colin is even wasting his time trying to argue with Otter. It's obvious he isn't going to get anywhere, he's pretty much just pissing into the wind.It's entertaining to me to watch this...It's like sandblasting a soup cracker for you, but hey, I've laughed three times reading this.2. THere is nothing to gain from talking to you about Winslow.
Very good posting Chaos. His injuries do bring up some very valid concerns. HOWEVER, it isn't that unlikely that he returns to the NFL with 100% health. As you mentioned he will be 2 years removed from the game. Yet, in the same post, you bring up Antonio Gates, who entered the NFL at age 22, with NO football experience. Winslow will be 23 with way more experience than Gates had when he entered the game.Am I the only one who is worried that Kellen may be damaged goods? He misses his rookie season with a broken leg. Then he has the stunt bike accident and tears his knee up. Then he gets a staph infection and drops 30 pounds. Missing two full years of live competition cannot be a good thing for a professional athlete. Is there any reason to believe he'll ever overcome all of this downtime and realize his potential? There are many fine young TEs in the league, and there are many more coming soon. I only mention them because from a fantasy perspective Winslow is going to have tons of competition. Who would you rather have? Gates, of course. Shockey? What about Troupe and Miller? Watson? Smith and Smith? Even Anderson and Bird look like they have long successful careers ahead of them. There's a dozen very good looking TEs entering the draft in the next two years, and half of them look like elite prospects to me. I think the odds are heavily stacked against Winslow ever rising above this crowd, and it's likely he'll just be one of many very good TEs. Crumpler? McMicheal? Clark? Witten? It's getting crowded.
Uhh, you obviously don't "know" much.Here's a blurp from a scouting report from his draftHe's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
You obviously don't know anything about blocking, TEs, or Winslow. So what exactly are you doing in this thread?What thread are you reading?Colin comes with facts, Otter comes with "Blocking doesn't matter" and "Winslow is a jerk".As much as I love Winslow, Otter simply Colin in this discussion
Uh-huh. Owned is right.
I'll be back to post just as manyciting him as a great blocker. Work/Coffee call, but this is absurd. TEs don't go in the top-10 b/c they are good receivers. If that were the case, Ben Watson and Heath Miller would have gone much higher. ColinUhh, you obviously don't "know" much.Here's a blurp from a scouting report from his draftHe's 24 years old IIRC> I expect he'll still put in a full decade of play in the NFL....
I don't know why people still think back 3+ years ago to one episode while giving other players a free pass for their similar dumb acts. Weird. All I know is he is a MENACE as a blocker and more than a few AFC North DBs will not be happy to see him back on the field.
COlin
"Downside: As demonstrated in 2003, will allow his emotions to get the better of him, and his nasty streak sometimes turns ugly. A little bit too much of a "me-first" player. Not a very good blocker, especially in-line, takes the lazy way out and tries to cut defenders. More accomplished blocker at the second level than at point of attack. Frame is relatively thin and could use more bulk.
The Dish: Despite flashes of ego, his father's heavy-handed manner in interviewing possible representatives, and his choice of Carl and Kevin Poston as his agents, still a sure top 10 choice and could go in the top five. Will be a special player if he gets into camp on time and gets his emotions under control. Blocking deficiencies could mean he has to play H-back in some offenses. "
Some more
"TE Kellen Winslow. A TE/WR hybrid in the mold of Jeremy Shockey. Not quite the blocker Shockey is, but perhaps a better receiver. "
And again
"Junior: Winslow is a tremendous athlete and a great football player that's a "chip off the old block". Like his father, he is indeed a rare specimen justifying the label "a special player". Linebackers cannot run with him and safeties are over-powered by Winslow. Though he gets minimal results blocking it is not from lack of effort. Then again, to be truthful, anyone who drafts Winslow will not be doing so for his blocking prowess."
These are college and NFL scouting reports on him. I've embarrassed you enough.
I love when people on FBGs talk out their ###. I highlighted the important parts, i.e. the ones that show you're clueless.
I am surrounded on all sides.As much as I love Winslow, Otter simply Colin in this discussion, childish slights aside.
Colin, do you realize that you are arguing blocking prowess on a fantasy football message board? I get the whole "opportunity" thing but really....
Winslow may become great one day but to predicate that upon blocking at this point is a bit ridiculous, if not disconcerting for a FBG.
Thank Jeebus that there are still at least a handful of intelligent posters around here. I was beginning to worry.What thread are you reading?Colin comes with facts, Otter comes with "Blocking doesn't matter" and "Winslow is a jerk".As much as I love Winslow, Otter simply Colin in this discussion
Uh-huh. Owned is right.
What happened to being excellent? Don't be a jerk within about 7 hours of registering...you don't know us well enough to make those kinds of judgments.Oh, and about Winslow:You obviously don't know anything about blocking, TEs, or Winslow. So what exactly are you doing in this thread?What thread are you reading?Colin comes with facts, Otter comes with "Blocking doesn't matter" and "Winslow is a jerk".As much as I love Winslow, Otter simply Colin in this discussion
Uh-huh. Owned is right.
The quote above is from a national editor at NFL.com. You apparently missed that.I was trying to get quotes from a bunch of different sources (Old coaches, who know him very well, beat writers in his pro city, who see every game, and know him well, and then, the overall national picture).I think I'll trust the NFL scouting reports, by NFL writers. You can stick with Fulmer and Clevelandbrowns.com for all your scouting reports."Yet, for all of his prowess as a receiver, he also has managed to draw favorable marks for his blocking. The 6-foot-3, 247-pound Winslow has made steady improvement as a blocker, especially when it comes to creating room for a ball carrier at the point of attack.
From the Blogger today...February 2, 2006, 09:52Any more news on Winslow's rehab? He will have had 16 months to recover by the season starts and just wondering if it's going as scheduled or if there have been any setbacks. It's been 9 months and we've got guys thinking Palmer will be back within that time.
Fixed. And Otter makes it worse by acting like a baby instead of admitting he was wrong. ColinAs much as I love Winslow, Otter simply got by Colin in this discussion, childish slights aside.
Last seen he was Vin Diesal's stunt double in Fast and Furious III...........
I don't care if anyone has any points about anything relevant. "Colon" ... Sorry man, but I'm laughing my ### off right now.Colon,If you hadn't noticed, I could care less about his blocking ability, so why would I dispute your obsession. Winslow is a fraud. I don't care if it was 3 years ago or 3 days ago. He's a cheap-shot, dirty player who justified his actions by claiming he was a "soldier." Now he's getting his dues. And to be honest with you, there's entirely too much conversation about this bum... more than what he is worth. I know you feel differently, but that's my opinion, and my last comment on your hero.I like how you brought up an event from 3 years ago to validate your argument without once disputing anything I said regarding his blocking. THat was awesome.Colin10-4 professer. E=MC(2); F=MA I guess we'll see next year (maybe) how your "soldier" does on the field. Talk to you about it then.The fact that you disagree in the face of clear and quantitative evidence doesn't make it "busslhit."
COlin
so says the guy that traded for the soldier a couple of weeks back ............It's entertaining to me to watch this...It's like sandblasting a soup cracker for you, but hey, I've laughed three times reading this.2. THere is nothing to gain from talking to you about Winslow.
Let me know where to send your gift for 5th grade graduation....your standards of comedy sux0r.I am still interested in why people dislike Winslow so much. I'm a friggin' VOLS fan - as big as any - and I could care less about his comments. That was three YEARS ago, and many atheletes (Kevin Garnett) have said the same thing, literally, since then. WHo cares?I don't care if anyone has any points about anything relevant. "Colon" ... Sorry man, but I'm laughing my ### off right now.Colon,If you hadn't noticed, I could care less about his blocking ability, so why would I dispute your obsession. Winslow is a fraud. I don't care if it was 3 years ago or 3 days ago. He's a cheap-shot, dirty player who justified his actions by claiming he was a "soldier." Now he's getting his dues. And to be honest with you, there's entirely too much conversation about this bum... more than what he is worth. I know you feel differently, but that's my opinion, and my last comment on your hero.I like how you brought up an event from 3 years ago to validate your argument without once disputing anything I said regarding his blocking. THat was awesome.Colin10-4 professer. E=MC(2); F=MA I guess we'll see next year (maybe) how your "soldier" does on the field. Talk to you about it then.The fact that you disagree in the face of clear and quantitative evidence doesn't make it "busslhit."
COlin