Anyone else considering offering a motherload package for AD? (1 Viewer)

[ILoveMyLions]

FF is about studs and I have the ammo to get hum so I'm putting my pieces together to make an offer.

I'd be curious to hear what "pieces" you're planning on offering.I have AD locked up for the next 5 years, and although I'll always listen, it's extremely unlikely he's going anywhere.

I was going to offer T. Edwards, McGahee, Bowe and the guy's first next year (which I got in a previous trade). Keep in mind this is a start 2 QB league so they have more value. He has only 1 QB and needs help at RB and WR.

Would you accept that if you owned AD?

This was my opening offer and if I had his team I would consider it. I'd likely come back with another 1st in the deal if he rejected it.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I can't conceive of an offer I'd take for ADP right now (of course it helps that my team is stacked - I got SJax too and would still sooner move him than ADP without a doubt). RBs have a very short shelf life in the league. The way I look at it, when you have a guy capable of putting up monster numbers, you keep him for those years you have him - those types are relatively sure things are in short supply. It really is that simple in my eyes. The funny thing is that the guys most mentioned as offered in this thread (Westy, SJax) aren't exactly injury free themselves. The key when having these backs is to plan ahead by taking that "next" guy (though ADP is the rare case of the next guy being a monster right away).

Anyhow, without turning this into the assistant coach forum, what was the monster offer you were considering to make?

-QG

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I rarely overpay for players in FF, but I'm becoming convinced that AD is in for a 3-4 year of total dominance (ala Emmitt, LT, Faulk, etc) All of his tools, on a run first team with a great Oline, plays on turf to utilize his speed, etc. the only negative I see is injury risk. I'm considering putting together a huge package for the guy. I'll make him an offer he can't refuse. After all, FF is about studs and I have the ammo to get hum so I'm putting my pieces together to make an offer. Anyone else considering this in your dynasty leagues? For those of you who have AD, what would it take to get him?

He's a very good player, but I don't like h im as much as everyone else does. I haven't had a 1 or 2 spot draft slot to think about getting him yet this year, but if I were No. 2, I'd be taking Steven Jackson.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Most of those other great stud RBs have atleast had one other great offensive player on the team for support. Not just great support players, HOF calibler talent. Priest Holmes had Gonzalez. Faulk had Holt, Bruce and a 2-time MVP QB. Emmitt had Aikman, Novacek and Irvin. Tomlinson has had Gates. Who does Peterson have to relieve him of some of that burden? Bernard Berrian? Tarvaris Jackson at QB? He's got nothing there around him but a solid Oline. But as far as relief thru the passing game to move the chains, and help get him down inside the 10 on a consistent basis, the help is just not there. I know he's looked brilliant in a handful of games, but dont sell the farm for this kid. He's a great young player, and he'll have some spectacular games, but his offense is a solo act right now, and it wont take long for teams' to completely sell out in their defensive strategies in stopping him. Is he anywhere near that Faulk, Tomlinson, Priest Holmes level of fantasy dominance? Peterson as an individual may be ready. But his team certainly isnt.

That would explain why guys like Payton, Sanders, Dickerson, Alexander, and OJ never amounted to much.

Not to mention that he mentioned LT having Gates even though he was an uber-stud well before Gates came into the picture.

 

[ratbast]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.

With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!

So....why trade him?

My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Had someone offer: Gore/Wayne/Driver for Peterson/Holt/Ricky in a dynasty. Same dynasty, was offered LT/Chambers for Peterson. Quickly turned both down. No shot I deal Peterson w/o getting a swap included to upgrade to an elite WR as well.

I don't think you can deal Peterson with his situation. He's the most athletically gifted RB to enter the league since Bo....combine that will possibly the best O-line in football. He was scary good last year with Tavaris in his first year as the starter. I think Tavaris does make a jump up this season with Berrian/Rice.

I've gotten bombarded with Peterson offers all offseason. I never say never in dealing anyone, but when I go to counter......I can never find something that I'd accept.

 

[cstu]

Basically unless someone gives up a stud like SJax and a stud WR (or more) then there's no point in an owner trading him. He's young so an owner can't get younger by trading him the way an LT or Westbrook owner can.

 

[ex-ghost]

I gave up the 1.02 and 1.05 this year, plus two probable very early picks next year for AD. Deal was made about three months ago.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Jim Morrison was right: people are strange. I just don't get the contrarian view on a player like Peterson. You should have been able to tell the first time you ever saw him run that he was a once-in-a-generation talent, so why are people still trying to go against the grain here?

Remember, growing up, the guy in your neighborhood who always hated Michael Jordan . . . just to be different? And the guy was always a little off on the intelligence scale. His arguments against Jordan made little sense and sounded like something he heard from a strange uncle?

The skeptic is wise, but the contrarian is just annoying. Can't these guys ever just sit on the deck and have a beer? The wheel's still turning, but the hampster's gone. . . .

The contrarian view probably stems from his inability to stay healthy, the fact that he wasn't used as a receiver (for PPR league players), the fact that was much, much less effective at the end of the year, the fact that the team has a pretty good RB splitting time with him (and a coach who seems to enjoy playing both) and the fact that he has a mediocre QB to take the pressure off.As a fan, he's fun to watch. Great talent. In fantasy football, I'm just not sold on him as some clearly are. Maybe they use him as more of a receiver this year. Maybe Childress wakes up and uses him more. Maybe he stays healthy for the first time in three years. Maybe he was average-looking at the end of the year because his injury was still bothering him.

But for me, those are a lot of maybes. Sure, he'd be great to own but he's not somebody I think is a can't-miss prospect, and as such I probably wouldn't offer what the AP owner wants to let him go.

The Jordan comparison is amusing because, as we all know, Jordan had a legendary career, won several titles, stayed healthy, had a coach who knew how to use him and had a decent supporting cast for most of his career. Not sure how AP really compares to that at this stage in his career. I think it's unfair to AP, actually.

To some folks, this makes me a "hater" of AP. All I can say is that I enjoy watching him play as much as anyone outside of Minnesota can. I just don't have the confidence in him others seem to.

Remember the guy who would go out on one date with someone and declare his undying love, think about marriage and believe it was the start of a long, healthy relationship? I don't fall in love with someone the first time I set eyes on them, and I didn't declare AP my fantasy target of the generation after I saw him run. I guess I'm just more of a wait-and-see person.

Like I said, he's fun to watch, though.

 

[cstu]

I gave up the 1.02 and 1.05 this year, plus two probable very early picks next year for AD. Deal was made about three months ago.

GTAP.

 

[Tanner9919]

I rarely overpay for players in FF, but I'm becoming convinced that AD is in for a 3-4 year of total dominance (ala Emmitt, LT, Faulk, etc) All of his tools, on a run first team with a great Oline, plays on turf to utilize his speed, etc. the only negative I see is injury risk. I'm considering putting together a huge package for the guy. I'll make him an offer he can't refuse. After all, FF is about studs and I have the ammo to get hum so I'm putting my pieces together to make an offer. Anyone else considering this in your dynasty leagues? For those of you who have AD, what would it take to get him?

hold the phone...I'm probably in the very small minority who thinks ADP is in for a rough season...I'm looking at the final 6 games of 2007, and I'm seeing a guy who averaged 50.8 yards/gm, and just 3.8 ypc over that span..he also has injury issues..Is he in for a sophomore slump? Lets be honest, he had 2 games of 200+ rushing yards last season, both combining for 520 of his 1321 yards..over 1/3rd of his yardage came from those two games...I know you can't take those out of the equation, I'm just saying he tends to get things in bunches, a guy who runs hot and cold..I have him in a dynasty league and I'm fielding offers for him..His value couldn't be any higher!

 

[bcr8f]

I rarely overpay for players in FF, but I'm becoming convinced that AD is in for a 3-4 year of total dominance (ala Emmitt, LT, Faulk, etc) All of his tools, on a run first team with a great Oline, plays on turf to utilize his speed, etc. the only negative I see is injury risk. I'm considering putting together a huge package for the guy. I'll make him an offer he can't refuse. After all, FF is about studs and I have the ammo to get hum so I'm putting my pieces together to make an offer. Anyone else considering this in your dynasty leagues? For those of you who have AD, what would it take to get him?

hold the phone...I'm probably in the very small minority who thinks ADP is in for a rough season...I'm looking at the final 6 games of 2007, and I'm seeing a guy who averaged 50.8 yards/gm, and just 3.8 ypc over that span..he also has injury issues..Is he in for a sophomore slump? Lets be honest, he had 2 games of 200+ rushing yards last season, both combining for 520 of his 1321 yards..over 1/3rd of his yardage came from those two games...I know you can't take those out of the equation, I'm just saying he tends to get things in bunches, a guy who runs hot and cold..I have him in a dynasty league and I'm fielding offers for him..His value couldn't be any higher!

He probably hit the rookie wall. His running style is brutal though and could face yearly injuries.

 

[bcr8f]

Basically unless someone gives up a stud like SJax and a stud WR (or more) then there's no point in an owner trading him. He's young so an owner can't get younger by trading him the way an LT or Westbrook owner can.

That all depends on league scoring and starting reuirements. Making blanket statements like this without regard to scoring is wrong. In most cases I would agree, but not all. SJax is young too (25 on tuesday).

 

[suspected]

One year ago, before he had played an NFL down, I offered Brady and Fitz and was turned down.

 

[jurb26]

One year ago, before he had played an NFL down, I offered Brady and Fitz and was turned down.

One year ago Brady didn't have the value he does today.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Thinking of offering

Addai and Fitzgerald for ADP and Plaxico

Would you offer that in a dynasty?

 

[cstu]

Basically unless someone gives up a stud like SJax and a stud WR (or more) then there's no point in an owner trading him. He's young so an owner can't get younger by trading him the way an LT or Westbrook owner can.

That all depends on league scoring and starting reuirements. Making blanket statements like this without regard to scoring is wrong. In most cases I would agree, but not all. SJax is young too (25 on tuesday).

I agree, but even though SJax is young most owners are going to want a player like him plus a lot of talent. Obviously there are leagues where the starting requirements could make Peterson slightly less valuable (start 4/5 WR) but he still has the potential to score twice as many points as the next RB.

 

[cstu]

Thinking of offering Addai and Fitzgerald for ADP and Plaxico Would you offer that in a dynasty?

Yes, but I don't think a Peterson owner would take that. Maybe Addai and Fitz for ADP alone. No owner wants to be *that guy* who gave away ADP for too little.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Thinking of offering Addai and Fitzgerald for ADP and Plaxico Would you offer that in a dynasty?

Not a chance in hell would I give ADP away for that. To me he's almost untouchable in a dynasty league.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Tried Addai and 1.3 for Peterson

 

[Phurfur]

I rarely overpay for players in FF, but I'm becoming convinced that AD is in for a 3-4 year of total dominance (ala Emmitt, LT, Faulk, etc) All of his tools, on a run first team with a great Oline, plays on turf to utilize his speed, etc. the only negative I see is injury risk. I'm considering putting together a huge package for the guy. I'll make him an offer he can't refuse. After all, FF is about studs and I have the ammo to get hum so I'm putting my pieces together to make an offer. Anyone else considering this in your dynasty leagues? For those of you who have AD, what would it take to get him?

What you have to remenber is that these example are of players that were healthy and played every down. That is still an unknown with AD. On the other side, if he does stay healthy his value will never be lower than it is right now.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!So....why trade him?My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

The main reason to trade him would be to have depth.If you have AD and a bunch of gabage at RB and WR,it would make total sense to get 3 or 4 quality players in exchange for Peterson.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!So....why trade him?My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

The main reason to trade him would be to have depth.If you have AD and a bunch of gabage at RB and WR,it would make total sense to get 3 or 4 quality players in exchange for Peterson.

Normally I would agree with you, but IMO you don't trade a guy that will probably give you LT2 production or better at the beginning of their career.

 

[FUBAR]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.

With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!

So....why trade him?

My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

The main reason to trade him would be to have depth.If you have AD and a bunch of gabage at RB and WR,

it would make total sense to get 3 or 4 quality players in exchange for Peterson.

Normally I would agree with you, but IMO you don't trade a guy that will probably give you LT2 production or better at the beginning of their career.

Are you really not getting this?Hypo:

Let's say you have Peterson, and the Addai owner comes calling. You believe Peterson will outscore Addai by 100 points each year.

You have a decent squad, but not great. Your top QB is Matt Hasselbeck, and he has Tom Brady. Brady, even if he regresses, should outscore Hass by 50 points.

Your last starting WR is Reggie Brown, he has Larry Fitzgerald, in your league, Fitz outscores Brown by 90 points.

Assuming you don't have a slew of young players you "know" will improve, are you saying you wouldn't even consider trading Peterson, Hass, and Brown for Addai, Fitz, and Brady? (feel free to change the names, the points are the point)

If you'd consider doing that, perhaps you'd even take a little less?

 

[JAA]

Who is AD?

 

[offdee]

Who is AD?

All Day (Adrian Peterson's real nickname)

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.

With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!

So....why trade him?

My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

The main reason to trade him would be to have depth.If you have AD and a bunch of gabage at RB and WR,

it would make total sense to get 3 or 4 quality players in exchange for Peterson.

Normally I would agree with you, but IMO you don't trade a guy that will probably give you LT2 production or better at the beginning of their career.

Are you really not getting this?Hypo:

Let's say you have Peterson, and the Addai owner comes calling. You believe Peterson will outscore Addai by 100 points each year.

You have a decent squad, but not great. Your top QB is Matt Hasselbeck, and he has Tom Brady. Brady, even if he regresses, should outscore Hass by 50 points.

Your last starting WR is Reggie Brown, he has Larry Fitzgerald, in your league, Fitz outscores Brown by 90 points.

Assuming you don't have a slew of young players you "know" will improve, are you saying you wouldn't even consider trading Peterson, Hass, and Brown for Addai, Fitz, and Brady? (feel free to change the names, the points are the point)

If you'd consider doing that, perhaps you'd even take a little less?

Yes, I would consider that deal, but no way would I trade ADP in a deal that didn't knock my socks off, and certainly not in a deal where I'm just adding depth regardless of my roster. Hell, I'd rather have ADP and build my depth some other way (i.e. drafting better, working the WW, and making lesser deals).

 

[ratbast]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.

With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!

So....why trade him?

My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

The main reason to trade him would be to have depth.If you have AD and a bunch of gabage at RB and WR,

it would make total sense to get 3 or 4 quality players in exchange for Peterson.

Normally I would agree with you, but IMO you don't trade a guy that will probably give you LT2 production or better at the beginning of their career.

Are you really not getting this?Hypo:

Let's say you have Peterson, and the Addai owner comes calling. You believe Peterson will outscore Addai by 100 points each year.

You have a decent squad, but not great. Your top QB is Matt Hasselbeck, and he has Tom Brady. Brady, even if he regresses, should outscore Hass by 50 points.

Your last starting WR is Reggie Brown, he has Larry Fitzgerald, in your league, Fitz outscores Brown by 90 points.

Assuming you don't have a slew of young players you "know" will improve, are you saying you wouldn't even consider trading Peterson, Hass, and Brown for Addai, Fitz, and Brady? (feel free to change the names, the points are the point)

If you'd consider doing that, perhaps you'd even take a little less?

Yes, I would consider that deal, but no way would I trade ADP in a deal that didn't knock my socks off, and certainly not in a deal where I'm just adding depth regardless of my roster. Hell, I'd rather have ADP and build my depth some other way (i.e. drafting better, working the WW, and making lesser deals).

The problem is I wouldn't have Reggie Brown and Matt Hassleback in those slots. Theres no way I need to fill 2 starting slots that desparately. If it was the case I can definatly see your point. A 3 fer would rarely happen with me getting the 3, I am all about depth. (Note: I do not play in full dynasty format, 5 keeper)

 

[crnerblitz]

Last year at the trade deadline I made a deal for AD. I sent Gore, Megaton, and my 2008 (1.15) and 2009 first rounder.

I'm pairing him with SJax, Romo, and Cooley in a 16 team 1,2,2,1,1,4idp .5ppr My team could pay the price and having those two at RB puts me ahead of all 15 other teams.

No, I wouldn't trade him for Addai and Fitz.

 

[pollardsvision]

i'd give my left nut to own peterson just for what i could get from trading him away.

he's a special talent, but there are reasons to be concerned.

concerns aside, i'm not about to pretend i know who will be FFB's best back 3 years from now. AP's value right now is that of someone who is guaranteed to be dominating fantasy football for the next 5 years. no one is guaranteed of that.

 

[FUBAR]

When you have a top 5 keeper fantasy player. It would take a top 5 keeper player for me to even consider a trade.

With AD, you can't really trade up! He's the 1 at the end of all 2 for 1s!

So....why trade him?

My teams are rarely in the position to take a SSmith, Brady and Westbrook without having to trade the guys I'm benching, in a 2 for 1 so I can capitalyze my roster.

The main reason to trade him would be to have depth.If you have AD and a bunch of gabage at RB and WR,

it would make total sense to get 3 or 4 quality players in exchange for Peterson.

Normally I would agree with you, but IMO you don't trade a guy that will probably give you LT2 production or better at the beginning of their career.

Are you really not getting this?Hypo:

Let's say you have Peterson, and the Addai owner comes calling. You believe Peterson will outscore Addai by 100 points each year.

You have a decent squad, but not great. Your top QB is Matt Hasselbeck, and he has Tom Brady. Brady, even if he regresses, should outscore Hass by 50 points.

Your last starting WR is Reggie Brown, he has Larry Fitzgerald, in your league, Fitz outscores Brown by 90 points.

Assuming you don't have a slew of young players you "know" will improve, are you saying you wouldn't even consider trading Peterson, Hass, and Brown for Addai, Fitz, and Brady? (feel free to change the names, the points are the point)

If you'd consider doing that, perhaps you'd even take a little less?

Yes, I would consider that deal, but no way would I trade ADP in a deal that didn't knock my socks off, and certainly not in a deal where I'm just adding depth regardless of my roster. Hell, I'd rather have ADP and build my depth some other way (i.e. drafting better, working the WW, and making lesser deals).

The problem is I wouldn't have Reggie Brown and Matt Hassleback in those slots. Theres no way I need to fill 2 starting slots that desparately. If it was the case I can definatly see your point. A 3 fer would rarely happen with me getting the 3, I am all about depth. (Note: I do not play in full dynasty format, 5 keeper)

Bully for you, yet Hass is a top 10 QB, Brown a top 36 WR, so more likely than not, someone in the league is starting them. In a 5 keeper league, you're probably right, it becomes even harder to trade AD in smaller leagues or keeper formats.