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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I just checked within myself, and I do not have this feeling. You may very well be right though.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
My sources are saying there could be as many as FIVE draft day trades that involve 1st round picks.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Detriot - at least once.
Washington, Miami, Denver, Buffalo, Kansas City, Tampa Bay and Baltimore could all be involved in early moves.
It's going to be very interesting.
Washington, Miami, Denver, Buffalo, Kansas City, Tampa Bay and Baltimore could all be involved in early moves.
It's going to be very interesting.
enfuego
Footballguy
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
49ers might move up for a 2nd 1st round pick, grab Willis/Bowe
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Maybe it's happenning, but I'd venture to guess that the few teams that are one player away from gold are sitting at the back end of round one.
purestrength
Footballguy
I'd like to see the Colts trade a bunch of future picks to Detroit for the No. 2 (if Oakland takes Russell) so they could get Calvin Johnson as another target for Manning. Having Harrison and Wayne just isn't enough. 
Give Snyder some time. He'll find a way.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I only expect 2 trades in the top 15 picks.
One, TB will trade up with Detroit if Oakland takes Russell so they can get Johnson and Detroit takes Adams at 4.
Two, I think someone will trade up with Washington to get whoever drops between Quinn and Peterson.
One, TB will trade up with Detroit if Oakland takes Russell so they can get Johnson and Detroit takes Adams at 4.
Two, I think someone will trade up with Washington to get whoever drops between Quinn and Peterson.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
With the amount of info out there I feel like GMs are more prepared for this draft class then any other draft in the history of the league. Everyone is an armchair GM this year.
I could easily see 4-5 1st day trades happening, if not more.
I could easily see 4-5 1st day trades happening, if not more.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Peter King was on Mike and Mike this morning, and was saying the reason there aren't many trades up to the top two these days is the disparity in contracts. (He said he discussed this in his Monday Morning Quarterback column this week if you want to check it out, though I haven't looked at it.) He said the top two picks end up averaging about $3 million more per year than the guys that come after them, and teams sitting lower don't want to pay that kind of premium. He said that someone like Tampa, if they believe they have a 50% chance of getting Calvin Johnson by sitting where they are, will likely do so. Trading up to #2 to get him could happen though if Gruden "would die if he didn't get him."He also said that the Jimmy Johnson value chart was developed at a time when the salary drop off wasn't that great, but that now that price has to be factored in so much, the chart overstates what teams at the top can get in trade for those picks.I usually don't pay much attention to King, but this was just on the air a couple of hours ago and seemed topical to this thread, so I'm passing it along.
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I've always thought that value chart was overrated. The pick is only as valuable as what someone is willing to give up to get it. Sometimes that might be more, sometimes less. To treat it like it's some sort of league rule always seemed foolish to me.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm actually starting to feel the opposite.
I think teams are going to ask for too much for their high picks and nothing will get done.
I think teams are going to ask for too much for their high picks and nothing will get done.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Actually, I have been waiting for big pre-draft trade that shakes up the dynamics of the draft. Recently, there seems to be one or two of those the week of the draft. these are not always top ten though.
As for Top 10 trading, I beleive that compensation, both the draft picks/playes and money required to move up limits the chances for trades Yesterday at his press conference Jerry Jones was talking about the trade value chart and stated that its pretty close to obsolete for these reasons. Along these lines, i wonder if some team anxious to move down (Wash, Det) will take less than the current chart value to get out of the pick.
The Texans are also in the mix of teams wanting to move down.
As for Top 10 trading, I beleive that compensation, both the draft picks/playes and money required to move up limits the chances for trades Yesterday at his press conference Jerry Jones was talking about the trade value chart and stated that its pretty close to obsolete for these reasons. Along these lines, i wonder if some team anxious to move down (Wash, Det) will take less than the current chart value to get out of the pick.
The Texans are also in the mix of teams wanting to move down.
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Kleck.
Footballguy
Same here. It's not cheap to move up a few spots early in round one, and I don't see the Raiders or Lions settling for much less that what we've seen in past years (even though it might be the wise thing for them to do, which is a whole nother argument).
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Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I also suspect the Pats will trade down from the 28 to recoup the 2nd rounder they spent on Welker.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Posturing, Andy. It's all posturing.
Sinrman
Footballguy
djcolts
Footballguy
A lot of teams want to trade down. Who's going to want to trade up for a late 1st is the real question.I also suspect the Pats will trade down from the 28 to recoup the 2nd rounder they spent on Welker.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The one guy that I can see teams trading up for if he falls to the 20's is Joe Staley.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Someone who doesn't have a first and is watching a guy they like slip, slip, slip...A lot of teams want to trade down. Who's going to want to trade up for a late 1st is the real question.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So, Seattle and....
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
49ers trade up to receive pick #24 from Patriots to select Bowe, Patriots receive 49ers 2nd + ???(whatever the calculator says) to recoup the loss of their 2nd round pick.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I get the feeling that the Bears will move up to Buffalo's pick in exchange for Briggs. He will be dealt this weekend imo....
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here are the rumblings around Denver, and I am hearing it alot lately, so maybe there is some truth to it.
Denver is offering their 1st, 2nd, 3rd of this year and 1st rd pick next year to Detroit so they can get Calvin Johnson.
TB has countered with offering their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of this year. nothing next year.
Both are contigent upon what the first pick is, because both want CJ. Now TB is trying to work w/ OAK to try to beat everyone.
Nothing will happen until draft day
Denver is offering their 1st, 2nd, 3rd of this year and 1st rd pick next year to Detroit so they can get Calvin Johnson.
TB has countered with offering their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of this year. nothing next year.
Both are contigent upon what the first pick is, because both want CJ. Now TB is trying to work w/ OAK to try to beat everyone.
Nothing will happen until draft day
Traders2001
Footballguy
Michael Turner will get traded .
Briggs maybe .
As for trading picks for pick to move up or down i do not see it happening.
Briggs maybe .
As for trading picks for pick to move up or down i do not see it happening.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think someone will trade up to Washington to get QUinn.
I think that it's possible - but highly unlikely - that Tampa could go to #2 for Johnson.
Other then that, I could see some late round movement but nothing super exciting.
I think that it's possible - but highly unlikely - that Tampa could go to #2 for Johnson.
Other then that, I could see some late round movement but nothing super exciting.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No secret that I think they should... But who could it be? Miami is a likely candidate.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The intrigue surrounding Calvin is very intense.
I could be wrong, but I believe Oakland wants Russell. Period.
But I think Al also wants to exploit the situation if he can.
Tampa tried working wth Detroit. It was difficult. Other teams are involved.
So, they go to Oakland and try to work something.
Detroit now sees Russell exactly how Davis sees Calvin. Maybe not the the player they covet the most, but a must pick to exploit.
Oakland take Calvin to exploit his value but wants Russell.
Russell goes to Detroit who hold Oakland hostage for whatever they hoped to get out of Calvin.
A bunch of teams want Peterson, and Cleveland happy with JLewis for a year before a huge crop of great rookie RBs come along, also love Peterson, but see him as a player whose value they can exploit in order to better buidl the franchise. They draft Peterson and suitors come calling.
Who knows where Tampa is by this point, but AZ is after this 4th pick and they want Thomas so whoever now has the 4th pick takes Thomas whether they want him or not to exploit AZ... and a few other teams who may want a franchise LT.
With those two worked out we get to the Skins who may have moved down already...
I could be wrong, but I believe Oakland wants Russell. Period.
But I think Al also wants to exploit the situation if he can.
Tampa tried working wth Detroit. It was difficult. Other teams are involved.
So, they go to Oakland and try to work something.
Detroit now sees Russell exactly how Davis sees Calvin. Maybe not the the player they covet the most, but a must pick to exploit.
Oakland take Calvin to exploit his value but wants Russell.
Russell goes to Detroit who hold Oakland hostage for whatever they hoped to get out of Calvin.
A bunch of teams want Peterson, and Cleveland happy with JLewis for a year before a huge crop of great rookie RBs come along, also love Peterson, but see him as a player whose value they can exploit in order to better buidl the franchise. They draft Peterson and suitors come calling.
Who knows where Tampa is by this point, but AZ is after this 4th pick and they want Thomas so whoever now has the 4th pick takes Thomas whether they want him or not to exploit AZ... and a few other teams who may want a franchise LT.
With those two worked out we get to the Skins who may have moved down already...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That would so totally rule - have the top 5 teams all draft guys they don't really want and then get stuck with them when they can't move them.The intrigue surrounding Calvin is very intense. I could be wrong, but I believe Oakland wants Russell. Period.But I think Al also wants to exploit the situation if he can. Tampa tried working wth Detroit. It was difficult. Other teams are involved.So, they go to Oakland and try to work something.Detroit now sees Russell exactly how Davis sees Calvin. Maybe not the the player they covet the most, but a must pick to exploit. Oakland take Calvin to exploit his value but wants Russell.Russell goes to Detroit who hold Oakland hostage for whatever they hoped to get out of Calvin.A bunch of teams want Peterson, and Cleveland happy with JLewis for a year before a huge crop of great rookie RBs come along, also love Peterson, but see him as a player whose value they can exploit in order to better buidl the franchise. They draft Peterson and suitors come calling.Who knows where Tampa is by this point, but AZ is after this 4th pick and they want Thomas so whoever now has the 4th pick takes Thomas whether they want him or not to exploit AZ... and a few other teams who may want a franchise LT. With those two worked out we get to the Skins who may have moved down already...
Of course, there are way worse things than getting "stuck" with guys like Calvin Johnson & Adrian Peterson.
The Lions have been very...VERY...quiet the last few weeks. Everything in print concerning the Lions; their pick and suitors that I have seen has been penned by writers outside of Motown. There has been an eerie silence surrounding Millen and Co.
It leads me to believe that Millen already has a few if, then deals in place. One being based on Russell being available and the other being built around C. Johnson's availability. He already has a buyer for Russell and Johnson. I think he ultimately gets something done with the Falcons for C. Johnson. The Falcons, if need be, have much more juice than the Broncos or Bucs to get that slot at 1.02. I am not sure, though, who would come up to get Russell.
It leads me to believe that Millen already has a few if, then deals in place. One being based on Russell being available and the other being built around C. Johnson's availability. He already has a buyer for Russell and Johnson. I think he ultimately gets something done with the Falcons for C. Johnson. The Falcons, if need be, have much more juice than the Broncos or Bucs to get that slot at 1.02. I am not sure, though, who would come up to get Russell.
massraider
Footballguy
This is a fun read. Fearless predictions:
No trades in the 1st 5 picks. Tampa calls everyones bluff, and gets their guy.
I gotta think picks 6-10 is where the action is. Washington sitting there, perhaps looking to move down, and having Landry, Brown, and Quinn or Peterson there, with the teams that are behind them....if I had to bet, this is where I'd say the first trade occured.
I see the theory out there that there aren't 30+ 1st round talents in this draft. Maybe not. I wouldn't be surprised if that leads to more trades. If the Pats think there are only 20 1st round talents, and 18 of them are gone, maybe they move up to snag one of them. I think later in the 1st round, you could see several minor moves, teams jumping up 2-5 spots. Teams have different boards, everyone is working off a different cheat sheet.
I think the Raiders will move back up into the 1st round. I hope they don't, but I think they will.
Maybe with the Pats, who I think would like to move down, acquire more picks, then spend the rest of the draft trading up.
Michael Turner gets traded on draft day.
Trent Green gets traded on draft day.
Lance Briggs does not.
Randy Moss does not.
No trades in the 1st 5 picks. Tampa calls everyones bluff, and gets their guy.
I gotta think picks 6-10 is where the action is. Washington sitting there, perhaps looking to move down, and having Landry, Brown, and Quinn or Peterson there, with the teams that are behind them....if I had to bet, this is where I'd say the first trade occured.
I see the theory out there that there aren't 30+ 1st round talents in this draft. Maybe not. I wouldn't be surprised if that leads to more trades. If the Pats think there are only 20 1st round talents, and 18 of them are gone, maybe they move up to snag one of them. I think later in the 1st round, you could see several minor moves, teams jumping up 2-5 spots. Teams have different boards, everyone is working off a different cheat sheet.
I think the Raiders will move back up into the 1st round. I hope they don't, but I think they will.
Maybe with the Pats, who I think would like to move down, acquire more picks, then spend the rest of the draft trading up.
Michael Turner gets traded on draft day.
Trent Green gets traded on draft day.
Lance Briggs does not.
Randy Moss does not.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
there was great anecdote in aforementioned king MMQB article by CP, about the expense of moving up & how it wasn't necessarily a desireable thing...
casserly called the jets to guage interest in moving up for the first pick... NYJ FO (bradway) retorted... what else are you going to give us?
casserly called the jets to guage interest in moving up for the first pick... NYJ FO (bradway) retorted... what else are you going to give us?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Miami, Minnesota, Jacksonville, Chicago (Briggs, a 1st and a 3rd...?)
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Cleveland if/when Lynch starts slipping?I don't see it happening, but aren't the Pats the only team with 2 1sts? Would they move up for somebody?I could also see them trading that pick for a 2008 1st + if there wasn't anybody they were in love with. Didn't they do that with Balt. so they could draft Boller?djcolts said:A lot of teams want to trade down. Who's going to want to trade up for a late 1st is the real question.Kit Fisto said:Ramblin Wreck said:I also suspect the Pats will trade down from the 28 to recoup the 2nd rounder they spent on Welker.
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massraider
Footballguy
Oakland as well, for that same reason.Cleveland if/when Lynch starts slipping?djcolts said:A lot of teams want to trade down. Who's going to want to trade up for a late 1st is the real question.Kit Fisto said:Ramblin Wreck said:
If Oakland moves down in a trade with Tampa, you should see them moving up from the second round into the 20's to nab a player they want. I can see them drafting a couple of QB's on the first day and an Offensive Left Tackle if they move up into the 20's from the second round.
Chris Simms could also be part of a package, if Oakland trades with Tampa.
Edit to add: I see Oakland trading into the 20's for Ginn, if he slips that far.
Chris Simms could also be part of a package, if Oakland trades with Tampa.
Edit to add: I see Oakland trading into the 20's for Ginn, if he slips that far.
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Looks like Denver may try and trade into Detroit's spot for CJ.
"Broncos offered picks in the first, second and third rounds, plus their first-round pick in 2008, for the Lions' No. 2 selection, a trade contingent on the Oakland Raiders not taking Johnson with their No. 1 choice."
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5728859
"Broncos offered picks in the first, second and third rounds, plus their first-round pick in 2008, for the Lions' No. 2 selection, a trade contingent on the Oakland Raiders not taking Johnson with their No. 1 choice."
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5728859
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I only know of threeCecil Lammey said:You've outsourced me
massraider
Footballguy
Is there a change in the draft rules? Because unless there was, no one gets an additional 15 minutes after a trade is done.With an additional 15 minutes added per trade its going to be long day.TitanBlitz said:Jeff Pasquino said:
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
It's gone back and forth. I know there was a time not that long ago when the clock reset for a trade. I'm not even positive what the rule is anymore.
Maybe they are trading with Minnesota?Is there a change in the draft rules? Because unless there was, no one gets an additional 15 minutes after a trade is done.With an additional 15 minutes added per trade its going to be long day.TitanBlitz said:Jeff Pasquino said:
NoFBinLA
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Until this today:
Although to be fair, it's almost liek he's just reporting news outta Denver.
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