Anyone else think the Denver Secondary got exposed? (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Driver was held in check for most of the game, but the other guys were burning left and right, and the announcers, when they weren't fellating Brett Favre, or his wife, or discussing whatever other topic they could squeeze into a two-hour football game, mentioned that Favre was uncharacteristically attacking outside the hash marks, going after their corners. Now, this guy has been throwing against Bly twice a year since Bly came into the league. I've always considered Bly overrated as a corner, but also thought that any decent corner opposite Champ would constitute a pretty scary secondary. When setting my lineup I benched a good receiver for another almost as good who wasn't playing the Broncos. Then I thought about the game I watched last night and wondered if that were still as smart as it seemed in the beginning of the season.

Thoughts?

 

[packersfan]

My thought is you're underestimating Jennings and Jones. Neither one is an All-Pro but neither one is a bum either. The Packers have one standout WR in Driver and two very good young WRs in Jennings and Jones.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Even the best corners get beat once in a while. And I do not think Bailey is 100%, anyway.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[Koya]

No names? One of the best looking rookies during the preseason and a guy who showed that he has the skillset to be a very good WR in the league last year, who is only in year 2 of his career.

Those are some nice, talented complements to Driver.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Bailey was coming back off of injury, and Bly had seperated his shoulder last week. Still it was a fair showing and likely accomplished much as future teams prep for the Packers. They went very much away from their slants. They ran the ball. They but in a few screens. Teams now have alot more to prepare for in facing the Packers. I'll hold my enthusiasm, however, noting that Denver was nicked up starting the game and lost Lynch in game.

 

[sho nuff]

Bailey was coming back off of injury, and Bly had seperated his shoulder last week. Still it was a far showing and likely accomplished much as future teams prep for the Packers. They went very much away from their slants. They ran the ball. They but in a few screens. Teams now have alot more to prepare for in facing the Packers. I'll hold my enthusiasm, however, noting that Denver was nicked up starting the game and lost Lynch in game.

Yup.Im happy, excited, but still a bit weary of going overboard.And screw Lynch. Overrated chump lead with his helmet and got a stinger.

 

[Fantaholic]

No names??

In my opinion you could be looking at next year's best receving trio in the NFL. In any event you can hardly call them no namers.

 

[sholditch]

Wow, thanks to all of you minus one who ignored the post completely and overreacted to one sentence. How #######g helpful. Is there anyone left in the Shark Pool who would rather discuss fantasy football rather than take jabs at someone for a careless comment?

There, I changed the subtitle. Now can we actually address the question in the post?

 

[thehornet]

Well, i for one do not think Driver, Jones and Jennings are no names. But it's not really the point.

Favre torched Bly/Bailey and made them look pretty stupid to boot. You can say what you want about injuries but they were flat out beat on a foot race by each wideout.

The combo may not be quite as potent this year.

 

[sholditch]

Well, i for one do not think Driver, Jones and Jennings are no names. But it's not really the point. Favre torched Bly/Bailey and made them look pretty stupid to boot. You can say what you want about injuries but they were flat out beat on a foot race by each wideout. The combo may not be quite as potent this year.

thank you for actually making a post that relates to the thread

 

[Spartans Rule]

Wow, thanks to all of you minus one who ignored the post completely and overreacted to one sentence. How #######g helpful. Is there anyone left in the Shark Pool who would rather discuss fantasy football rather than take jabs at someone for a careless comment?

Nobody's ignoring the post. The fact that Jennings and Jones are good receivers is extremely relevant to the question.

 

[sholditch]

Wow, thanks to all of you minus one who ignored the post completely and overreacted to one sentence. How #######g helpful. Is there anyone left in the Shark Pool who would rather discuss fantasy football rather than take jabs at someone for a careless comment?

Nobody's ignoring the post. The fact that Jennings and Jones are good receivers is extremely relevant to the question.

Only if they are saying that they are so good that they are head and shoulders above the rest of the starting wideouts in the league and therefore render last night's game such an anomoly it can't be used in terms of judging the Denver secondary. I don't think that was anyone's point. Just more posts in what appears to be M.O of this board now. If you have nothing to say, pick a sentence and rant about it. If you have no opinions on Denver's secondary after this game, find another thread.

 

[TheWick]

Denver feeling like they needed to have a safety up at the line of scrimmage all night combined with Champ and Dre always looking in the backfield made for a run, run, run, and playaction attack the corners with no deep help game plan.

 

[sholditch]

Denver feeling like they needed to have a safety up at the line of scrimmage all night combined with Champ and Dre always looking in the backfield made for a run, run, run, and playaction attack the corners with no deep help game plan.

Do you see this as a one-game trend or could we see something similar against Detroit, and for the rest of the season? Is that similar to what they usually do?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Opponents are completing 70% of their passes against Denver and they have the worst opposing QB rating in the league at 106.3. It's not just last night that exposed them. Not all of that is on the secondary of course, they can't generate a consistent pass rush without blitzing. Still, I think it is an average secondary with one exceptional player. Take away Bailey and it would be considered one of the worst in the league.

 

[Enforcer]

No.

Placing that much emphasis on two plays is myopic.

 

[LILB811]

From what I've seen of Champ, including the TD last night, he always has inside position and more often than not looks like the receiver rather than the defender when going deep. To combat this the QB has to throw very long and hope the safety doesn't get over in time, which is what appears happened on the Jones TD. They have been injured, and Dre Bly is probably overrated. So maybe they were a bit exposed, but I don't think we learned anything last night that we didn't already know.

Denver is in the bottom 5 in the league in points allowed, and in the bottom half of the league in sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions. They have not been very good, and the Packers did a nice job.

 

[BusterTBronco]

They were exposed a long time ago. Please see my "Why is Favre rated so friggin' low this week" thread.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I hate the Broncos, but I still think those guys are pretty good....two plays does not a season make.....plus Lynch was out for quite a bit of the game....

in addition, had Favre's arm not been hit on the pass he was throwing to Champ's side in the 4th quarter, we might be whistling a different tune today, as he had radar lock on it and would have probably taken it to the house the other way......

Champ is a freak....Bly is above average.....I don't think teams will want to continually test them....

 

[remote controller]

Champ might have gotten beat by a great pass and route, but it no way exposed him. He is still one, if not the best corner in football.

 

[BusterTBronco]

"Enforcer", could you go to the following website and tell me what was Brett Favre's QB rating this week?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/weeklyleaders

Thank ya very much!

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Champ might have gotten beat by a great pass and route, but it no way exposed him. He is still one, if not the best corner in football.

possibly of all time..........

 

[sholditch]

Champ might have gotten beat by a great pass and route, but it no way exposed him. He is still one, if not the best corner in football.

possibly of all time..........

I agree but one fantastic player doesn't make a defense.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't think Champ is healthy. Bly is overrated. He does create turnovers because he gambles a lot, but he can't cover anyone. He gets burned a lot.

 

[mbuehner]

It exposed Denver's defense as being unable to stop the run (which we already new) which took away safety help over the top and put CBs in man to man, which Brett Favre is going to eventually beat every time.

 

[rascal]

When your safeties have to play in the box, and your corners have to keep cheating against the run,and you have two speedy WR's and a QB who can throw what do you expect? This all stems from the broncos inability to stop the rush and get any kind of a pass rush without an all out blitz.

 

[IAmTheBruteSquad]

When your safeties have to play in the box, and your corners have to keep cheating against the run,and you have two speedy WR's and a QB who can throw what do you expect? This all stems from the broncos inability to stop the rush and get any kind of a pass rush without an all out blitz.

Amen brother! If you've watched and paid attention to the Broncos for the last couple of years, most of their defensive issues stem from their inability to get to the QB. Anyone remember the AFC championship game 2 years ago against Pitt? If the opposing team has a QB with half-a-brain, they can make dink and dunk passes on Denver all day. Any team that gives the QB 4-6 seconds in the pocket gives their cornerbacks little chance to be successful. That's part of the reason the Broncos have gone crazy with trying to replace their defensive line. And I can't forget to mention that they lost Al Wilson and Darrent Williams in the offseason, two of their best defensive players.

 

[a_rackowski]

James Jones is a man child. I have never seen a guy so young look so old outside of Greg Oden.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

"Enforcer", could you go to the following website and tell me what was Brett Favre's QB rating this week?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/weeklyleaders

Thank ya very much!

Looks like he is second fiddle to Derek Anderson.

 

[Gopher State]

From what I've seen of Champ, including the TD last night, he always has inside position and more often than not looks like the receiver rather than the defender when going deep. To combat this the QB has to throw very long and hope the safety doesn't get over in time, which is what appears happened on the Jones TD. They have been injured, and Dre Bly is probably overrated. So maybe they were a bit exposed, but I don't think we learned anything last night that we didn't already know. Denver is in the bottom 5 in the league in points allowed, and in the bottom half of the league in sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions. They have not been very good, and the Packers did a nice job.

Very Denver has a lot of issues on defense, and Young + the possible return of Walker will not salvage the season for them. Cutler will be a good QB, but still has a ways to go on the NFL learning curve.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Look for the Lions to attack Bly this week. Not only is he vulnerable (slightly seperated shoulder) but the Lions would love nothing more than to humiliate him.

 

[KoolKat]

When your safeties have to play in the box, and your corners have to keep cheating against the run,and you have two speedy WR's and a QB who can throw what do you expect? This all stems from the broncos inability to stop the rush and get any kind of a pass rush without an all out blitz.

What we really need is a top notch safety. I have thought this for some time. Hopefully the rookie DL we brought in this year will improve rapidly. I could see Dumervil, Thomas, and Moss being and effective DL for years to come. We have the core players to be a top notch D, but the talent is just not there yet. Bly's gambling is just another reason why we need a quality saftey.

 

[sholditch]

Look for the Lions to attack Bly this week. Not only is he vulnerable (slightly seperated shoulder) but the Lions would love nothing more than to humiliate him.

Good call. Megatron could be in for a huge game, and Bly should be covering him. If champ can shut down Roy, then Megatron and probably Shaun McDonald will be huge.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ok, the Denver secondary has been abused two weeks in a row. Their defensive front let Ryan Grant, that's Ryan Grant go off for 100 yards. This is a defense that is learning a new system. The Packers already know this same system. They know what the opponents were going to try to do.

Bly got abused. So did Bailey. Methinks Bailey wanted to jump the James Jones TD because Jones is generally more of a slanter and hook guy. Bailey got burned deep and fell down trying to recover. The refs threw a nice block as well but I believe Jones gets in either way.

Lynch got dinged because he illegally lead with the crown of his helmet.

McCarthy said in post game that the Packers had been setting Bly up for the double move by throwing in front of him knowing how much he looks into the backfield.

Has the secondary been exposed? I think the whole defense is suspect to be honest. At least while Bailey is not 100%. I'd start my wideouts against Denver with indifference at this point.

 

[wickster33]

I didn't watch much of the game, since it just seemed to be one long Deanna Favre lovefest. however, looked over the State and Bret ended regulation with almost identical stats to Cutler... 20 passes for 249 yds and a TD vs 21 passes for 264 yards and a TD. In fact, if Jay hits Marshall with a 4 yard pass at the end of the 4th, the Broncos win and we're not having this discussion. Packers had two great first down plays that won the game for them. Otherwise, all they could muster was 2 FGs

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

if

I thought I'd boil that post down for you. "Ifs' don't get you very far. Fact is, Cutler did what he did. Favre did what he did.And if you want to talk about 'ifs, remember how many times Green Bay was in the red zone and choked away their own TD opportunities. Like back to back penalties on the O line from within the five yard line.....

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

the denver secondary is way above average but a team without any pass rush might as well play without a secondary. u could clone 4 deion sanders and start them but if there is no pass rush the secondary will continue to get burnt. think about it the only times favre was rushed was on busted plays where he or the RB went the wrong way. teams are hip to elvis dumervil now- he's lost that element of surprise. simeon rice should've retired.

saying that i concede teams will be able to pass on the broncos, but its not soley the secondary's fault

 

[Calvitron Johnson]

Look for the Lions to attack Bly this week. Not only is he vulnerable (slightly seperated shoulder) but the Lions would love nothing more than to humiliate him.

Good call. Megatron could be in for a huge game, and Bly should be covering him. If champ can shut down Roy, then Megatron and probably Shaun McDonald will be huge.

I'll chew them up if Kitna is man enough to throw it my way more than 2 times a game.

 

[Phurfur]

When your safeties have to play in the box, and your corners have to keep cheating against the run,and you have two speedy WR's and a QB who can throw what do you expect? This all stems from the broncos inability to stop the rush and get any kind of a pass rush without an all out blitz.

Actually coming out of the draft the knock on both these guys is that they were not fast enough.

 

[jurrassic]

Bailey was coming back off of injury, and Bly had seperated his shoulder last week. Still it was a fair showing and likely accomplished much as future teams prep for the Packers. They went very much away from their slants. They ran the ball. They but in a few screens. Teams now have alot more to prepare for in facing the Packers. I'll hold my enthusiasm, however, noting that Denver was nicked up starting the game and lost Lynch in game.

Fair showing? Favre was 21 of 27 for 331 yards and 2 td's. The Denver secondary is extremely overrated. The only reason people are noticing now is because they sold out to stop the run vs. Pittsburgh, and then Green Bay just decided they were going to do what they do regardless of matchup, and it worked out pretty well.

 

[BusterTBronco]

They stink. Third game in a row they have been lit up.