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Anyone making a move to get TO? (1 Viewer)
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Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I think T.O is overvalued at this time.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
With ROY there now....cant be a great thing. Targets were already spread thin.
Should help when Romo gets back though.
Should help when Romo gets back though.
Coach3K
Footballguy
I think we can all offer guesses as to what will happen, but we'll have to wait until Roy's brought up to speed in a couple weeks. Sure he'll make it on the field, assuming he passes the physical, etc., this week for at least a few plays. Even just streaks or standard routes. I'd say Crayton and Austin, just by virtue of their playbook knowledge, are still going to get more play time for 2-3 weeks. A bye soon really helps minimize the impact.
After the bye and after Romo is back...well, things might be different.
I'm in the camp that feels this will benefit TO, at least after the initial adjustment period - fewer double-teams and less rolling coverage. Teams can't let Roy do to them what they've let Crayton and Austin do a few times - run free in single-coverage or with a nickel back (or worse) on them. He'll definitely get more coverage thrown his way opening up more options for the offense.
Good for TO, good for Witten, good for Barber (especially if teams start having to line up in more DB-heavy sets to counteract TO/Roy/Witten)...I think it's a good thing.
But that's just my gut feeling - we won't know for a while and we're all just guessing right now.
I'll just say I'm happy a few of my attempts to deal TO this week weren't accepted.
After the bye and after Romo is back...well, things might be different.
I'm in the camp that feels this will benefit TO, at least after the initial adjustment period - fewer double-teams and less rolling coverage. Teams can't let Roy do to them what they've let Crayton and Austin do a few times - run free in single-coverage or with a nickel back (or worse) on them. He'll definitely get more coverage thrown his way opening up more options for the offense.
Good for TO, good for Witten, good for Barber (especially if teams start having to line up in more DB-heavy sets to counteract TO/Roy/Witten)...I think it's a good thing.
But that's just my gut feeling - we won't know for a while and we're all just guessing right now.
I'll just say I'm happy a few of my attempts to deal TO this week weren't accepted.
I agree, less focal point from the defense on TO, will be good for him.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Seems good to me - just need to have another QB.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Quite the opposite. Williams to Dallas raises TO's stock.The shark move is to buy TO from someone who thinks TO's nubmers drop.glvsav37 said:
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Another owner in one of my leagues called to bounce a trade offer off me for advise (not involving me).
LT (or Jacobs) for TO. He'd be getting TO, but left w/ scraps @ WR in a 14 team league.
For value purposes TO wise.
LT (or Jacobs) for TO. He'd be getting TO, but left w/ scraps @ WR in a 14 team league.
For value purposes TO wise.
Star Jones Donut
Footballguy
Being a TO owner I'm not sure what to make of this. Romo out 4 weeks, Roy coming on board. It could go either way. TO could have less coverage, we'll have to wait and see. I decided to gamble on it and moved TO for Reggie Wayne straight up. So far both WR have been pretty equal this year. Plus Manning looks to be coming back, if Addai is out a while, the Colts might need to rely on the pass more, who knows. Plus the Colts have already had their bye. I also like the Colts match ups during playoffs...at home against the Begals and Lions, then at the Jags.It could come back and bite me in the butt, but i'm willing to pull the trigger. I just feel that Wayne has more upside then TO right now.
spitkickers
Footballguy
Could Brad Johnson develop something with him early on, considering new reps and simplified playbook? Brad Johnson is a vet and won't be interested in any whining, say, from TO. And he would be justified in ignoring it, as long as he manages the game. If the Dallas staff get BJ/RW together early, it could be a great few weeks for RW. After that, doubtful RW would be as productive, as Romo will look to Whitten and TO as his proven outlets when he returns. Ride RW for a few weeks, then watch the production drop - assuming he gets reps and the plays are there for him early on. With the potential for Roy to have a few good weeks, defenses might not key as much on TO, even after Romo returns (at least for a week or two)...so I guess that means buy low on everybody? But in your FF playoffs it could be trouble. Safe bet is TO, get him now if you can or within the next few weeks. Then again, at least that's what the beers think. MMm beer.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I traded Owens and Grant for Fitzgerald. Get that head case off my team
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Just offered TO and JLewis for Wayne :crossfinger:
I'm not sure I follow this - the Cowboys already are third in the league in overall offense and in passing offense. Also third in pointsAre they going to get more plays per game? Are they going to start turning a lot more field goals into touchdowns? Are they going to make sure no subdiary player gets any touches, and all production goes through TO/Witten/Williams/Barber?This is to some extent a zero-sum game, and unless the addition of Williams generates a big increase in overall production, or unless he serves primarily as a very effective decoy, his numbers will have to come from somewhere. Either the Cowboys pass more, and Barber gets fewer yards, or TO/Witten take some kind of hit.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Like the post, love the bolded parts.Williams isn't going to be happy running around as a decoy. TO thinks it'll take off double coverage. I highly disagree.
Was DAL playing 1 WR sets, allowing teams to double TO before this trade? No. Teams were doubling TO and forcing Crayton/Austin to beat them. Roy Williams will play that same role as Crayton/Austin except he has a history of being better.
Personally, I don't think Roy is that amazing. He's an upgrade over Crayton, but he's hardly a Boldin/Fitzgerald combination that would draw single coverage with help over the top from the safetys. No way that happens against Dallas.
I think this is bad for TO and Witten. I don't think they run the ball any less- otherwise the gameplan gets predictable. Their ability to run is what makes them so effective in the air. I think the targets are spread around more. TO still sees double coverage
Coach3K
Footballguy
Production isn't always about brute-force numbers. If that were the case, then Minnesota would be able to just beat people to death with a ground game rotating two fresh horses. They obviously haven't shown enough of a threat in the passing game yet to balance their offense and keep D's from selling out against the run (though they're getting better). It's about efficiency and doing the most with the opportunities you have. My gut feeling is that, yes, the Cowboys will have the same number of offensive plays/opportunities, but instead of throwing into double-coverage or trying to run against 8 stacked in the box (leading to dropped/defended passes, runs stuffed in the backfield, generally lower production-per-play), each play they'll have a better chance of getting matchups with odds in their favor.Adding another legitimate big-play threat to the opposite side of the field means TO may face fewer double teams. No, Roy isn't going to suddenly start DRAWING double teams instead of TO, but a legit threat on the other side of the field means that safeties will...more often play safety and not as second cornerbacks focusing on TO. Yes, Austin and Crayton have done well with the opportunities they've been given, but I assure you D Coordinators are willing to give up some big plays to those two to try to limit the chances the Big 3 can have. It's a probability game. Now you have to gameplan for a 4th big-play target.That also means that it's less likely that a DB-type can be allocated to Witten to limit his receiving ability. So he's left with mismatches on LB's, who he should continue to have success against.Finally, if the defense goes DB-heavy to limit production from TO/Roy/Witten, then you're looking at better matchups in the box for Barber to run against. And if D's line up in base defenses to try to limit all equally, then Romo/Johnson can pick the best matchup at the line.Again, I'm not delusional thinking that Roy suddenly creates 15 more offensive opportunities out of thin air. But him as a legitimate threat opposite TO makes defenses play differently, giving the 'boys a chance to be more efficient with the plays they're already running.Now, the question is...Can Garrett implement this correctly?
Coach3K
Footballguy
Thing is, we're all just offering our educated guesses on what will happen. Sadly, someone on one side or the other is going to 
this and come back either next week (WAY too early either way), in a few months, or sadly, years in the future to 
about how right they were and that the people who disagreed with them should give up fantasy football and move to a cabin in Montana.
*shrug* I'm just offering my OPINION about how I see things playing out. I'm believe that getting out of "jail" in Detroit and going back home to Texas will revitalize Roy and bring out the things he's show when he's played well in the past. I personally feel that will be enough to give D Coordinators fits and make them gameplan more against HIM where all they had to plan for before was a "generic WR2/3" position.
Time will tell, but ultimately, I'm not selling or buying TO based on this trade - I think his actual value will just get closer to his perceived value, so it doesn't really change much. My gut tells me things will improve, but the Cowboys do have a way of screwing things up.
*and go ahead - someone do the obligatory smart-### Blackdot!*
this and come back either next week (WAY too early either way), in a few months, or sadly, years in the future to about how right they were and that the people who disagreed with them should give up fantasy football and move to a cabin in Montana. *shrug* I'm just offering my OPINION about how I see things playing out. I'm believe that getting out of "jail" in Detroit and going back home to Texas will revitalize Roy and bring out the things he's show when he's played well in the past. I personally feel that will be enough to give D Coordinators fits and make them gameplan more against HIM where all they had to plan for before was a "generic WR2/3" position.
Time will tell, but ultimately, I'm not selling or buying TO based on this trade - I think his actual value will just get closer to his perceived value, so it doesn't really change much. My gut tells me things will improve, but the Cowboys do have a way of screwing things up.
*and go ahead - someone do the obligatory smart-### Blackdot!*
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Very good arguments on both sides in this thread. I think we're getting close to point of subtraction by addition for Cowboys fantasy owners. There's only one football and 60 minutes per game.
