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Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)

Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
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Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement.

There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.

 
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
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Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement.

There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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He wasn't a big back like Christian Okoye was. Lacy was a fat back. It's not like it was some league secret that the guy was a tub of lard this year. Just read this thread. Lacey has always been talented enough to succeed on natural ability and not put as much time in the weight room or running track. He finally hit the point where his conditioning affected his performance. Look at the guy's Twitter. Always talking about the Chinese food he was going to eat or the fast food joint he was hitting. McCarthy called him out. Challenged him to do some work this off-season. I think it's a brilliant way to light a flame under his ###. Hopefully, he's feeling a little embarrassed right now.

 
JuniorNB said:
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
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Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement.

There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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He wasn't a big back like Christian Okoye was. Lacy was a fat back. It's not like it was some league secret that the guy was a tub of lard this year. Just read this thread. Lacey has always been talented enough to succeed on natural ability and not put as much time in the weight room or running track. He finally hit the point where his conditioning affected his performance. Look at the guy's Twitter. Always talking about the Chinese food he was going to eat or the fast food joint he was hitting. McCarthy called him out. Challenged him to do some work this off-season. I think it's a brilliant way to light a flame under his ###. Hopefully, he's feeling a little embarrassed right now.
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I agree with Junior here. I don't know that its necessarily brilliant by McCarthy. I just think it was something he had to do.

Put yourself in McCarthys' shoes for a minute. You're pouring 80+ hours a week into your preparation. The commitment the coaches make is mind boggling. Then your starting RB shows up to camp fat and out of shape. If I were McCarthy, I'd be pissed at that time, but think, oh well, we've got a couple months to get him ready for week 1. Lacy doesn't put in the work though, and plays the entire season fat and out of shape. McCarthy bit his lip about it all season, but embarrassed Lacy publicly yesterday. I don't blame him one bit.

I don't really think there's any comparison to be made to the players that put in the work but struggled on the field. Obviously, McCarthy was willing to give them a much longer leash.

 
GordonGekko said:
BigJim® said:
Given that next year is a contract year, if he comes in fat again it will be a terrible sign.
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As nutty as it sounds, I think it's more toxic if the ONLY year you come into shape is when you are trying to win a starting job or when you need a new contract.

Sam Gash just took one in the back of the head over all of this. Gash was considered a good soldier and a hard working/team oriented coach.

Word I'm hearing is the team is washing their hands of the guy. Come draft time and free agency, they'll look for a new feature back.

One of the things that Pete Carroll did right, by way of his former reputation as a players coach, was to leave the contracts off the field. You earn it on the field, you play. The Packers as an organization didn't want James Starks to effectively work himself into a timeshare for a period, but had no choice, the guy was preparing the right way and doing the job. If he makes mistakes, it's because he's playing more than what his practical useful ceiling would be.

Lacy betrayed the team. He put this team in a classic lose/lose situation. He's not helping the team win on the field and his behavior is creating a negative trade off situation that shouldn't even be an issue to start ( There's already enough stress without some guy showing up out of shape all the time and not knowing the plays down cold, which is why Albert Haynesworth was avoided by lots of teams when he was a free agent)

In dynasty, wait for the glowing reports and Lacy's false mea culpa to the press, then IMHO, trade him. Even at a bit of a loss to your perception, because that's still selling high considering the situation.

Doesn't matter what the press clippings say, the Pack are done with this mother ####er.
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Can you give us any information on your source? Obviously you probably can't give a name, but how about role, job, etc?

 
I hope he is shipped out of Greenbay where the next coach isnt so anal retentive. If he wants to look like Jerome Bettis, fine. Run his ### until his ankles explode. He is fat because McCarthy only gives him 12 carries per game. Run him 25 times per game and see if he stays at 275. Take the training wheels off and let the party bus roll. Pun intended.

 
JuniorNB said:
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
Click to expand...
Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement. There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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He wasn't a big back like Christian Okoye was. Lacy was a fat back. It's not like it was some league secret that the guy was a tub of lard this year. Just read this thread. Lacey has always been talented enough to succeed on natural ability and not put as much time in the weight room or running track. He finally hit the point where his conditioning affected his performance. Look at the guy's Twitter. Always talking about the Chinese food he was going to eat or the fast food joint he was hitting. McCarthy called him out. Challenged him to do some work this off-season. I think it's a brilliant way to light a flame under his ###. Hopefully, he's feeling a little embarrassed right now.
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Careful.... The drippings might cause a grease fire.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
JuniorNB said:
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
Click to expand...
Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement.

There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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He wasn't a big back like Christian Okoye was. Lacy was a fat back. It's not like it was some league secret that the guy was a tub of lard this year. Just read this thread. Lacey has always been talented enough to succeed on natural ability and not put as much time in the weight room or running track. He finally hit the point where his conditioning affected his performance. Look at the guy's Twitter. Always talking about the Chinese food he was going to eat or the fast food joint he was hitting. McCarthy called him out. Challenged him to do some work this off-season. I think it's a brilliant way to light a flame under his ###. Hopefully, he's feeling a little embarrassed right now.
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I agree with Junior here. I don't know that its necessarily brilliant by McCarthy. I just think it was something he had to do.

Put yourself in McCarthys' shoes for a minute. You're pouring 80+ hours a week into your preparation. The commitment the coaches make is mind boggling. Then your starting RB shows up to camp fat and out of shape. If I were McCarthy, I'd be pissed at that time, but think, oh well, we've got a couple months to get him ready for week 1. Lacy doesn't put in the work though, and plays the entire season fat and out of shape. McCarthy bit his lip about it all season, but embarrassed Lacy publicly yesterday. I don't blame him one bit.

I don't really think there's any comparison to be made to the players that put in the work but struggled on the field. Obviously, McCarthy was willing to give them a much longer leash.
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And whose job(s) is it to get players into shape and make the best decisions about using the players based on what they know and to adjust accordingly? McCarthy is ultimately accountable. If he spent an entire season truly thinking that Eddie wasn't in the right place to help the team most then McCarthy is every bit as responsible for "letting the team down" as anyone because he is the one person who can make that call.

But, in reality, Eddie Lacy has been exactly what this team has needed since he got there and calling him out for having a bad year makes little sense because the Packers ACROSS THE BOARD had a bad year. McCarthy obviously either didn't play the right players or couldn't figure out a way to coach them most effectively. Statistically speaking, Rodgers numbers have been falling for 4 straight years so, compared to himself, he had as bad a year in 2015 as Lacy did.

As someone above mentioned, what happens when a guy shows up out of shape? Don't you condition him? If he responds, fine but if he doesn't, don't you go with another guy? Can't have it both ways. also as was mentioned by someone above already, why didn't the coaches force the play? Run the guy 20 times a game instead of 9 and then the film doesn't lie. You either have a guy who gets in shape and it shows OR you OBVIOUSLY have to make a switch.

From the outside looking in, it seems communication is an issue here combined with laziness because you had since March for the coaches to say "we need you at a different weight", not never say a thing about it all season, even when asked by media about it, and then dump it after your season ends (which, it's kind of funny how Lacy's runs the past two weeks have completely turned the Washington game and kept some hope in the other"). For all we know, the idea was they were expecting Lacy to do what Eddie has the past two years which has been very successful and that is become a heavy hammer when the weather turns. Under that scenario, a bigger back can be a good thing. But it seems to me McCarthy is resting on his laurels here and relies a bit too much on the assumption that Rodgers can cover all the warts; as if he said "well, it's not perfect but I don't really need to address the whole loss of Jordy thing (or look as how Janis might be a better fit than Adams, who cost this team big time in several key spots) and I don't have to be tough on Eddie because, in the end, Rodgers will just keep us going."

This kind of stuff is 20/20 armchair quarterbacking at it's worst. Had the Packers had a great year like most people expected and had the RZ opportunities like they are accustomed to and controlled games like we have become used to, Lacy would have once again seen the high stats and all we would have heard was how he is "a unique back who plays with both size and nimbleness" and how he is "the perfect back for this system because of how he can wear you down once the Packers get the lead, as expected by a Rodgers team" and "how it works so well in the Green Bay weather". Yada yada yada.

It's a no-win. When Lacy entered the league, tons of FF people dogpiled him citing everything under the sun.

He had a great year and people doubted him.

He did it again and people still nitpicked.

The PACKERS had a crappy year, relatively, and it is ALL LAcy's gut that is the culprit.

In the meantime, all Lacy has done from a FF perspective is make his owners money and earn trophies that gfs and wives across the land think are tacky.

In short, he's become Arian Foster. Those who didn't believe enough to pull the trigger hate him and can't wait to get it right one year.

 
Ridiculous.

McCarthy went public with the fat-shaming of Lacy. Doesn't mean it wasn't identified as a problem before this. It's not like nothing happens unless the coach said it at a press conference.

McCarthy is not responsible for the weight of Lacy. Lacy is. And McCarthy isn't the GM. Thompson is. Thompson is ultimately responsible for the roster. Lacy is responsible for his jiggly man boobs. Thompson drafted him.

There's only one person responsible for that weight--Lacy. McCarthy can't follow him around the cafeteria.

 
Shutout said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
JuniorNB said:
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
Click to expand...
Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement. There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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He wasn't a big back like Christian Okoye was. Lacy was a fat back. It's not like it was some league secret that the guy was a tub of lard this year. Just read this thread. Lacey has always been talented enough to succeed on natural ability and not put as much time in the weight room or running track. He finally hit the point where his conditioning affected his performance. Look at the guy's Twitter. Always talking about the Chinese food he was going to eat or the fast food joint he was hitting. McCarthy called him out. Challenged him to do some work this off-season. I think it's a brilliant way to light a flame under his ###. Hopefully, he's feeling a little embarrassed right now.
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I agree with Junior here. I don't know that its necessarily brilliant by McCarthy. I just think it was something he had to do. Put yourself in McCarthys' shoes for a minute. You're pouring 80+ hours a week into your preparation. The commitment the coaches make is mind boggling. Then your starting RB shows up to camp fat and out of shape. If I were McCarthy, I'd be pissed at that time, but think, oh well, we've got a couple months to get him ready for week 1. Lacy doesn't put in the work though, and plays the entire season fat and out of shape. McCarthy bit his lip about it all season, but embarrassed Lacy publicly yesterday. I don't blame him one bit.

I don't really think there's any comparison to be made to the players that put in the work but struggled on the field. Obviously, McCarthy was willing to give them a much longer leash.
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And whose job(s) is it to get players into shape and make the best decisions about using the players based on what they know and to adjust accordingly? McCarthy is ultimately accountable. If he spent an entire season truly thinking that Eddie wasn't in the right place to help the team most then McCarthy is every bit as responsible for "letting the team down" as anyone because he is the one person who can make that call.But, in reality, Eddie Lacy has been exactly what this team has needed since he got there and calling him out for having a bad year makes little sense because the Packers ACROSS THE BOARD had a bad year. McCarthy obviously either didn't play the right players or couldn't figure out a way to coach them most effectively. Statistically speaking, Rodgers numbers have been falling for 4 straight years so, compared to himself, he had as bad a year in 2015 as Lacy did.

As someone above mentioned, what happens when a guy shows up out of shape? Don't you condition him? If he responds, fine but if he doesn't, don't you go with another guy? Can't have it both ways. also as was mentioned by someone above already, why didn't the coaches force the play? Run the guy 20 times a game instead of 9 and then the film doesn't lie. You either have a guy who gets in shape and it shows OR you OBVIOUSLY have to make a switch.

From the outside looking in, it seems communication is an issue here combined with laziness because you had since March for the coaches to say "we need you at a different weight", not never say a thing about it all season, even when asked by media about it, and then dump it after your season ends (which, it's kind of funny how Lacy's runs the past two weeks have completely turned the Washington game and kept some hope in the other"). For all we know, the idea was they were expecting Lacy to do what Eddie has the past two years which has been very successful and that is become a heavy hammer when the weather turns. Under that scenario, a bigger back can be a good thing. But it seems to me McCarthy is resting on his laurels here and relies a bit too much on the assumption that Rodgers can cover all the warts; as if he said "well, it's not perfect but I don't really need to address the whole loss of Jordy thing (or look as how Janis might be a better fit than Adams, who cost this team big time in several key spots) and I don't have to be tough on Eddie because, in the end, Rodgers will just keep us going."

This kind of stuff is 20/20 armchair quarterbacking at it's worst. Had the Packers had a great year like most people expected and had the RZ opportunities like they are accustomed to and controlled games like we have become used to, Lacy would have once again seen the high stats and all we would have heard was how he is "a unique back who plays with both size and nimbleness" and how he is "the perfect back for this system because of how he can wear you down once the Packers get the lead, as expected by a Rodgers team" and "how it works so well in the Green Bay weather". Yada yada yada.

It's a no-win. When Lacy entered the league, tons of FF people dogpiled him citing everything under the sun.

He had a great year and people doubted him.

He did it again and people still nitpicked.

The PACKERS had a crappy year, relatively, and it is ALL LAcy's gut that is the culprit.

In the meantime, all Lacy has done from a FF perspective is make his owners money and earn trophies that gfs and wives across the land think are tacky.

In short, he's become Arian Foster. Those who didn't believe enough to pull the trigger hate him and can't wait to get it right one year.
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Kitrick Taylor said:
JuniorNB said:
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
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Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement.

There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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He wasn't a big back like Christian Okoye was. Lacy was a fat back. It's not like it was some league secret that the guy was a tub of lard this year. Just read this thread. Lacey has always been talented enough to succeed on natural ability and not put as much time in the weight room or running track. He finally hit the point where his conditioning affected his performance. Look at the guy's Twitter. Always talking about the Chinese food he was going to eat or the fast food joint he was hitting. McCarthy called him out. Challenged him to do some work this off-season. I think it's a brilliant way to light a flame under his ###. Hopefully, he's feeling a little embarrassed right now.
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I agree with Junior here. I don't know that its necessarily brilliant by McCarthy. I just think it was something he had to do.

Put yourself in McCarthys' shoes for a minute. You're pouring 80+ hours a week into your preparation. The commitment the coaches make is mind boggling. Then your starting RB shows up to camp fat and out of shape. If I were McCarthy, I'd be pissed at that time, but think, oh well, we've got a couple months to get him ready for week 1. Lacy doesn't put in the work though, and plays the entire season fat and out of shape. McCarthy bit his lip about it all season, but embarrassed Lacy publicly yesterday. I don't blame him one bit.

I don't really think there's any comparison to be made to the players that put in the work but struggled on the field. Obviously, McCarthy was willing to give them a much longer leash.
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And I don't think McCarthy just now figured out it was an issue.

Im betting there was plenty talk behind the scenes between the two...he kept "protecting" Lacy in the media until this last time. Maybe Lacy shrugged him off all year and just wasn't getting it...

Things needed to be said and a fire needs to be under his butt.

 
georg013 said:
I hope he is shipped out of Greenbay where the next coach isnt so anal retentive. If he wants to look like Jerome Bettis, fine. Run his ### until his ankles explode. He is fat because McCarthy only gives him 12 carries per game. Run him 25 times per game and see if he stays at 275. Take the training wheels off and let the party bus roll. Pun intended.
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Dude was dinged all year. You think the only thing making him fat was not getting 25 carries?

Its possible some of his injuries are due to his conditioning as well.

 
massraider said:
All the fans said the guy looked fat and slow all year. The coach says the same.

And it's the coaches fault? Oh-kaaaay
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LOL Gotta love the Lacy apologists. It's everyone's fault but his own that he's a fat ###. Hopefully, this is a wake up call and the guy puts a little work in. Otherwise, he'll be with his old teammate, Richardson, in the unemployment line.

 
I don't hate Eddie Lacy. I'm a Packer fan that was disappointed in his performance/professionalism in 2015.

Take a look at what Eddie Lacy can look like.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/eddie-lacy-vs-missouri-2012/

Lacy was only one of the issues with the Packers this year. Massive injury problems to the offensive line were the main culprit, so even if Lacy looked like his 2012 self, it wouldn't have been a great year. However, being fat and out of shape caused Lacy to be part of the problem.

 
Shutout said:
Faust said:
Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy has a lot of work to do
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Almost all the respect and appreciation I had for McCarthy goes out the window on that statement.

There should be a "check yourself, first" caveat to that because A)until this point, McCarthy never said it was a problem, B)if they truly thought in their heart of hearts that it was a problem, then you're telling me that as coaches (he and his staff), you can't fix that sometime between March when you get your first look at him for the year and anytime during the season, and C) good coaches accentuate what they have. Bad coaches gripe about what they don't. So, how about taking advantage of a big back and NOT pulling him at the GOal line 68% of the time? How about leaning on a big back that can take its toll on a defense if you stick with it? How about not being hypocritical and passive aggressive and not basically exiling Lacy when he has a fumble and is never to be seen again for the game YET let Starks and Adams have key, crucial bad plays and just keep trotting them out there?

And since we are talking Adams...how about having the foresight to NOT play that guy that cost you over and over and over again this year and play a guy like Janis who obviously was worth more than TWO freaking plays this year.
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....plus McCarthy is kind of fat.

 
georg013 said:
I dont give a rats ### whose fault it is. 300 pounds or 220 pounds, feed the guy the ball until he passes out.
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So...feed a guy when he is gaining 2 yards and is dinged up just because?

There were very few times this year, if any, where McCarthy gave up on the run when it was working (a problem they have had in the past).

When running was working...they went with it.

He went with Starks seemingly at the right times as well.

Not sure the criticism here other than give the guy the ball more will make him stay in shape somehow. :lmao:

 
Local radio guy in Milwaukee said it best around week 8. Paraphrasing...."Anybody that expects Lacy to suddenly turn it on like he has late in the season in the past, just isn't watching, or doesn't know what they are talking about."

I really don't care what the year end numbers say. Lacy was markedly slower this year.

I just posted this, but watch this video and compare it to what Lacy looked like this year. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/eddie-lacy-vs-missouri-2012/

That difference is the reason for the lack of carries.

 
sho nuff said:
MattFancy said:
georg013 said:
Lacy gained 2 yards per carry over the season? Or was it over 4? Serious question. Im not sure.
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Gained 4.1ypc. Same average as his rookie season. Biggest difference? Lack of carries. He saw 284 in 2013, 246 in 2014, and 187 this season.
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Biggest difference...he was not always available to get said carries.
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He did miss a game and left the Chiefs game after 3 carries and hurting his ankle. So yes, he was banged up early. He had a solid game on Thanksgiving against the Bears (17/105). The next week against the Lions, he saw 5 carries for 4 yards. The following game against Dallas, he had 24 carries for 124 yards. Then the next week, 11 for 23 against Oakland. The ineffectiveness of the OL, Lacy being banged up early, and the way McCarthy distributed carries lead to the downfall of Lacy this year. Starks had the same 4.1ypc over the season.

 
massraider said:
Ridiculous.

McCarthy went public with the fat-shaming of Lacy. Doesn't mean it wasn't identified as a problem before this. It's not like nothing happens unless the coach said it at a press conference.

McCarthy is not responsible for the weight of Lacy. Lacy is. And McCarthy isn't the GM. Thompson is. Thompson is ultimately responsible for the roster. Lacy is responsible for his jiggly man boobs. Thompson drafted him.

There's only one person responsible for that weight--Lacy. McCarthy can't follow him around the cafeteria.
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So, when it was asked ad naseum by every media person that held a recorder and McCarthy said it wasn't a deal then it means he stood there and lied all year to multiple people, time and again. Ok, that's fine and a coach can run his team how he wants but that doesn't do anything to make people feel its justified (unless the point is it's ok to lie and hide the truth and then expose it when it benefits you most).

No thanks. Give me a coach with some marbles that takes accountability and says "he's not doing what I need him to do so he sits until he does." That sentence, in a nutshell, is kind of the credo of all NFL coaches. ALL of them want to run the show, to call the shots, to be the boss but few of them have the canoles to stand up to certain players.

TO say that McCarthy has no responsibility in the weight/condition of his players is just incorrect. Coaches have many responsibilities that don't fall inside the scope of "listed in black and white" but indirectly, all these things like monitoring for general health (and asking players to report it, especially with concussions), setting boundaries on events they can attend, curfews (Curfews?? for grown men?), etc. It's all on the coach.

So, here we have McCarthy who institutes curfews on grown men in order to get the best out of his team and he actually benched Lacy for that in a game and that counts BUT ignoring his conditioning and weight ALL season somehow doesn't count? No dice.

You and I both know these NFL head coaches are the most micro-managing individuals there are. A mother-in-law couldn't be more meddling or controlling so to say that something as important as weight and condition isn't a thing until HC decides to make it a thing simply doesn't cut it. The Pack had a bad year and it starts with a lot of things other than a RB and his weight. If we are going to cast stones, let's take a look at Janis coming up all-world in a game that had everything on the line, yet the coach didn't think he was good enough to play more than 2 plays all year while rolling Adams out there time and time again? Maybe his secret obsession/non-obsession over Eddie's weight issue/non-weight issue was keeping him from thinking clearly.

I'm not saying it is the case because I don't know but maybe it is time to look at McCarthy and ask if he is simply a "good" coach who plays a hot hand well when it is all going right but not a "very good" coach who knows how to develop and get the most out of players when they aren't hall of famer types.

 
Shutout said:
massraider said:
Ridiculous.

McCarthy went public with the fat-shaming of Lacy. Doesn't mean it wasn't identified as a problem before this. It's not like nothing happens unless the coach said it at a press conference.

McCarthy is not responsible for the weight of Lacy. Lacy is. And McCarthy isn't the GM. Thompson is. Thompson is ultimately responsible for the roster. Lacy is responsible for his jiggly man boobs. Thompson drafted him.

There's only one person responsible for that weight--Lacy. McCarthy can't follow him around the cafeteria.
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So, when it was asked ad naseum by every media person that held a recorder and McCarthy said it wasn't a deal then it means he stood there and lied all year to multiple people, time and again. Ok, that's fine and a coach can run his team how he wants but that doesn't do anything to make people feel its justified (unless the point is it's ok to lie and hide the truth and then expose it when it benefits you most).

No thanks. Give me a coach with some marbles that takes accountability and says "he's not doing what I need him to do so he sits until he does." That sentence, in a nutshell, is kind of the credo of all NFL coaches. ALL of them want to run the show, to call the shots, to be the boss but few of them have the canoles to stand up to certain players.

TO say that McCarthy has no responsibility in the weight/condition of his players is just incorrect. Coaches have many responsibilities that don't fall inside the scope of "listed in black and white" but indirectly, all these things like monitoring for general health (and asking players to report it, especially with concussions), setting boundaries on events they can attend, curfews (Curfews?? for grown men?), etc. It's all on the coach.

So, here we have McCarthy who institutes curfews on grown men in order to get the best out of his team and he actually benched Lacy for that in a game and that counts BUT ignoring his conditioning and weight ALL season somehow doesn't count? No dice.

You and I both know these NFL head coaches are the most micro-managing individuals there are. A mother-in-law couldn't be more meddling or controlling so to say that something as important as weight and condition isn't a thing until HC decides to make it a thing simply doesn't cut it. The Pack had a bad year and it starts with a lot of things other than a RB and his weight. If we are going to cast stones, let's take a look at Janis coming up all-world in a game that had everything on the line, yet the coach didn't think he was good enough to play more than 2 plays all year while rolling Adams out there time and time again? Maybe his secret obsession/non-obsession over Eddie's weight issue/non-weight issue was keeping him from thinking clearly.

I'm not saying it is the case because I don't know but maybe it is time to look at McCarthy and ask if he is simply a "good" coach who plays a hot hand well when it is all going right but not a "very good" coach who knows how to develop and get the most out of players when they aren't hall of famer types.
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Why are you so hellbent on defending a man making millions of dollars and won't even apply himself enough to get into shape? You're more mad at McCarthy than at the guy who ate himself into looking like a guard instead of a running back.

 
Shutout said:
massraider said:
Ridiculous.

McCarthy went public with the fat-shaming of Lacy. Doesn't mean it wasn't identified as a problem before this. It's not like nothing happens unless the coach said it at a press conference.

McCarthy is not responsible for the weight of Lacy. Lacy is. And McCarthy isn't the GM. Thompson is. Thompson is ultimately responsible for the roster. Lacy is responsible for his jiggly man boobs. Thompson drafted him.

There's only one person responsible for that weight--Lacy. McCarthy can't follow him around the cafeteria.
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So, when it was asked ad naseum by every media person that held a recorder and McCarthy said it wasn't a deal then it means he stood there and lied all year to multiple people, time and again. Ok, that's fine and a coach can run his team how he wants but that doesn't do anything to make people feel its justified (unless the point is it's ok to lie and hide the truth and then expose it when it benefits you most).

No thanks. Give me a coach with some marbles that takes accountability and says "he's not doing what I need him to do so he sits until he does." That sentence, in a nutshell, is kind of the credo of all NFL coaches. ALL of them want to run the show, to call the shots, to be the boss but few of them have the canoles to stand up to certain players.

TO say that McCarthy has no responsibility in the weight/condition of his players is just incorrect. Coaches have many responsibilities that don't fall inside the scope of "listed in black and white" but indirectly, all these things like monitoring for general health (and asking players to report it, especially with concussions), setting boundaries on events they can attend, curfews (Curfews?? for grown men?), etc. It's all on the coach.

So, here we have McCarthy who institutes curfews on grown men in order to get the best out of his team and he actually benched Lacy for that in a game and that counts BUT ignoring his conditioning and weight ALL season somehow doesn't count? No dice.

You and I both know these NFL head coaches are the most micro-managing individuals there are. A mother-in-law couldn't be more meddling or controlling so to say that something as important as weight and condition isn't a thing until HC decides to make it a thing simply doesn't cut it. The Pack had a bad year and it starts with a lot of things other than a RB and his weight. If we are going to cast stones, let's take a look at Janis coming up all-world in a game that had everything on the line, yet the coach didn't think he was good enough to play more than 2 plays all year while rolling Adams out there time and time again? Maybe his secret obsession/non-obsession over Eddie's weight issue/non-weight issue was keeping him from thinking clearly.

I'm not saying it is the case because I don't know but maybe it is time to look at McCarthy and ask if he is simply a "good" coach who plays a hot hand well when it is all going right but not a "very good" coach who knows how to develop and get the most out of players when they aren't hall of famer types.
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Yes...he lied all year to the media.

He protected his guy in public...why do you think it was never an issue until now? Because you bought the lie.

Im guessing the benching was not just about curfew...and also that the weight issue was addressed with Lacy behind closed doors as well.

In addition...nobody is casting stones only at Lacy...literally nobody.

And even in this past game, Janis showed why he wasn't on the field all year with the earlier redzone opportunity that ended in a FG. Great article in Packers.com with Vic that explains earlier in the year a play where Janis was not on the same page and Rodgers didn't throw it (and by the looks, would have been an easy INT and possible pick 6 down the field) .

He made several big plays on broken plays which is nice...that does not equate...he should have just been on the field all year vs. a guy that practices right and knows the routes and has more trust of the QB even after drops.

In short...Ill trust McCarthy any day over the things you are saying here.

 
Shutout said:
The Pack had a bad year and it starts with a lot of things other than a RB and his weight. If we are going to cast stones, let's take a look at Janis coming up all-world in a game that had everything on the line, yet the coach didn't think he was good enough to play more than 2 plays all year while rolling Adams out there time and time again? Maybe his secret obsession/non-obsession over Eddie's weight issue/non-weight issue was keeping him from thinking clearly.
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:shock:

 
I said it before and I will say it again. I dont care if the Packers win or lose. I dont care what he weighs. So long as he can cross that white stripe with the intensity of 10 Refrigerator Perries, Im good. Bettis made his living at the drive through window. He was exactly what Pittsburgh wanted. Perhaps Greenbay needs to find a Reggie Bush type to help their offense. You knew he was big boneded when you drafted him. Lol. Quit trying to change a hoe into a housewife. He is what he is. Take it or leave it. He has proven he can get the job done, fat and all, when he is afforded the carries. If you are looking for a supermodel at the position perhaps you should watch the lingerie league on youtube.

 
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I said it before and I will say it again. I dont care if the Packers win or lose. I dont care what he weighs. So long as he can cross that white stripe with the intensity of 10 Refrigerator Perries, Im good. Bettis made his living at the drive through window. He was exactly what Pittsburgh wanted. Perhaps Greenbay needs to find a Reggie Bush type to help their offense. You knew he was big boneded when you drafted him. Lol. Quit trying to change a hoe into a housewife. He is what he is. Take it or leave it. He has proven he can get the job done, fat and all, when he is afforded the carries. If you are looking for a supermodel at the position perhaps you should watch the lingerie league on youtube.
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You're trying too hard
 
Don't know if it's been posted here or not. Bob McGinn is one of the most respected football reporters in the business. He's covered the Packers pretty much forever. He rates the Packer performances every week by position. He wrote this week that if Lacy doesn't commit himself to getting in shape, he will be out of football in a year or two. He called the last 3/4 of the big run last week embarrassing, which it was.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Jesus.... (totally safe for work)

https://www.facebook.com/MEMES.of.the.NFL/photos/a.333078710072157.76242.332968243416537/1066430233403664/?type=3
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That second picture was from minicamp before his rookie year IIRC, so though he is indeed portly, it's not exactly anything new and something that has prevented him from being a top level RB in the past. Not saying that it wouldn't hurt for him to drop some lbs, but perhaps MM could be a better coach to his team if he lost a little weight too.

 
tone1oc said:
It sounds like Lacy might be taking his weight loss seriously..

http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/25/nfls-eddie-lacy-in-talks-with-p90x-creator-interested-in-training/
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Now, Lacy's people have confirmed the two sides have touched base in the hopes of working something out ... though no agreement has been struck yet.
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My sources say the deal is all but done, only thing left to be determined is his compensation in china food. P90X side doesn't think china food is great for weight loss while Lacy's side demands at least one serving per day.

 
tone1oc said:
It sounds like Lacy might be taking his weight loss seriously..

http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/25/nfls-eddie-lacy-in-talks-with-p90x-creator-interested-in-training/
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Getting called out publicly by McCarthy + contract year = motivated Lacy in 1016. Motivated Lacy + much easier schedule + healthy offense = potential top 5 RB?...or Lacy will be in the same shape he currently is in April and Ted Thompson will select his replacement in round 3. Don't see much middle ground with this situation.

 
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